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The Old Testament prophets always carefully delineate between the House of Judah, the tribes of Judah and Benjamin and the House of Israel, the ten Northern tribes*.

They separated into these two nations, soon after Solomon’s reign ended. God said that this separation was part of His plan. 1 Kings 12:24

Although some from the Northern tribes did escape the Assyrian exile by coming down and joining with Judah, the main body of Israel were taken away to the Caucasus region. When the Assyrian Kingdom declined and fell, they decided to migrate and find better lands to live in. There is plenty of archaeological evidence of their travels; Jeremiah 31:21 speaks of the cairns or dolmens that they built to mark their way.

Their descendants remain scattered among the nations, now an uncountable number of peoples that have received the blessings promised to them by Jacob, Genesis 49 and by Moses; Deuteronomy 33. In particular, Ephraim, who became the leading tribe of the House of Israel, received the blessing of Jacob, Genesis 48:17-19, of his descendants becoming a group of nations, powerful and prosperous. Only the British Commonwealth fits this description.


That Israel and Judah have not rejoined as yet, is proven by the great chapter of Ezekiel 37:

Firstly, the dry bones are the whole Israelite people; verse 11 The Lord will put His Spirit into them and they will come alive spiritually, then they will be settled into all of the holy Land. Ezekiel 37:12-14

Then the two sticks, that clearly show how the two Houses are both Israelites, are rejoined as one in God’s hand, to become one nation in the Land; the mountains of Israel. verse 22 This will be the nation of Beulah, as Isaiah 62:1-5 prophesies.

God promises to make a Covenant with them; of peace and prosperity and His Sanctuary [Temple] will be in the midst of them. He says: then they will know that I am their God. This statement is in many of Ezekiel’s prophesies and is proof that they will all happen before Jesus visibly Returns for His Millennial reign.

This Covenant is the one prophesied by Jeremiah 31:31-34 and reiterated in Hebrews 8:10-11 and we await, with great anticipation the time of its implementation.


* Unfortunately, Paul in the New Testament is not so careful with ‘Israel’ and it requires discernment to be sure of when he is meaning Judah, the Jews or all Israel, by descent or by grafting in.
 

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* Unfortunately, Paul in the New Testament is not so careful with ‘Israel’ and it requires discernment to be sure of when he is meaning Judah, the Jews or all Israel, by descent or by grafting in.

I have to admit that I'm perplexed by the idea of grafting in the New Covenant. Jesus says the King will give the kingdom to the nation bringing forth the fruits thereof... and those fruits were linked to the Old Covenant, weren't they? When Jesus says the Father draws people to Jesus, He tells us plainly that they were being taught the Law, and that the Law itself drew people to Jesus.
 
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The Old Testament prophets always carefully delineate between the House of Judah, the tribes of Judah and Benjamin and the House of Israel, the ten Northern tribes*.

They separated into these two nations, soon after Solomon’s reign ended. God said that this separation was part of His plan. 1 Kings 12:24

Although some from the Northern tribes did escape the Assyrian exile by coming down and joining with Judah, the main body of Israel were taken away to the Caucasus region. When the Assyrian Kingdom declined and fell, they decided to migrate and find better lands to live in. There is plenty of archaeological evidence of their travels; Jeremiah 31:21 speaks of the cairns or dolmens that they built to mark their way.

Their descendants remain scattered among the nations, now an uncountable number of peoples that have received the blessings promised to them by Jacob, Genesis 49 and by Moses; Deuteronomy 33. In particular, Ephraim, who became the leading tribe of the House of Israel, received the blessing of Jacob, Genesis 48:17-19, of his descendants becoming a group of nations, powerful and prosperous. Only the British Commonwealth fits this description.


That Israel and Judah have not rejoined as yet, is proven by the great chapter of Ezekiel 37:

Firstly, the dry bones are the whole Israelite people; verse 11 The Lord will put His Spirit into them and they will come alive spiritually, then they will be settled into all of the holy Land. Ezekiel 37:12-14

Then the two sticks, that clearly show how the two Houses are both Israelites, are rejoined as one in God’s hand, to become one nation in the Land; the mountains of Israel. verse 22 This will be the nation of Beulah, as Isaiah 62:1-5 prophesies.

God promises to make a Covenant with them; of peace and prosperity and His Sanctuary [Temple] will be in the midst of them. He says: then they will know that I am their God. This statement is in many of Ezekiel’s prophesies and is proof that they will all happen before Jesus visibly Returns for His Millennial reign.

This Covenant is the one prophesied by Jeremiah 31:31-34 and reiterated in Hebrews 8:10-11 and we await, with great anticipation the time of its implementation.


* Unfortunately, Paul in the New Testament is not so careful with ‘Israel’ and it requires discernment to be sure of when he is meaning Judah, the Jews or all Israel, by descent or by grafting in.

I view 'Israel' & 'Judah' as having 4 pairs of parallel meanings (as opposed to replacement theology):

nations of Israel & Judah;
apostates vs. faithful;
Judaism vs Christianity (Christianity can be divided between apostate & faithful)
'city' (Jerusalem) vs 'sanctuary' // or 'outer' court vs 'inner' court

- Nation-state Israel has already rejoined with nation-state Judah into the modern state of Israel.
- People with 'Dead faith' will join with the 'faithful' (living faith) (after those with dead faith are purified with tribulation)
- the seat of Judaism will join with the seat of Christianity
- the city of Jerusalem will have a physical temple
- the physical temple will unite the inner with the outer court
- the physical temple will unite with Christianity (the inner physical court joins the spiritual inner court, Christianity)

It is Gog that owns the locust army (see septaguint Amos 7:1 - LXX - Thus has the Lord God shewed me; and, behold, a...

Apollyon owns the locusts in Revelation 9:11. Gog is Apollyon. Thus the Gog war will be the very last war fought (at the end of 77 years of Israel)

it would appear that:

Gog will defend the 2 sticks of nation state Israel & nation state Judah (modern day Israel) (with hail & fire of the 1st Trumpet) that contains the city (Jerusalem) that contains the sanctuary (temple in Jerusalem that will be built after modern Israel is saved just like Ezekiel describes) that contains the physical outer & inner court (inner temple & outer temple). And pretends to join the physical inner court with the spiritual inner court (aka Christianity), but in reality, he leads them to apostasy.

At the 6th Trumpet, Gog takes over the spiritual sanctuary/ Christianity (after taking over the 'city', Jerusalem, apostates in Jerusalem).

(Gog saves Jerusalem (from Islam?), then overthrows Rome/ Vatican and sets up shop in Constantinople/ Istanbul, Turkey.)
 
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That Israel and Judah have not rejoined as yet, is proven by the great chapter of Ezekiel 37:


James 1:1 addresses all 12 tribes of Israel living abroad in the name of Jesus Christ.

All 12 tribes were united under the King of kings, Jesus Christ, in the European church age.

That church age [the symbolic reigning with Christ a 1000 years in Rev 20] ended when Israel Christendom sinfully rebelled against God and embraced antichrist secular humanism. This is why God sends in Gog/Magog's global horde invasion. This is happening now. It ends with God's divine intervention, Jesus' second coming.

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They separated into these two nations, soon after Solomon’s reign ended.
Separated into two "kingdoms" -- the kingdom of Judah and the kingdom of Israel -- would be more helpful, and also reflect what actually happened.

God brought the Israelites out of Egypt and intended to be King over Israel. However, because of the stubborness of the Israelites, God allowed them to have Saul become their king. But Saul failed to be faithful to God, and God handed the kingdom of Israel to David.

David sinned with Bathsheba, but God in His grace and mercy allowed her son Solomon to become king after David. Then Solomon sinned against God with his idolatry, and thus the kingdom of Israel was split. The tribes of Judah and Benjamin became the kingdom of Judah, and the remaining ten tribes became the kingdom of Israel, and went to Jeroboam. Ever since these two kingdoms were at war with each other.

Both kingdoms saw good and evil kings, but the Israelites would not forsake their idolatry. So the kingdom of Israel was destroyed by Assyria, and the kingdom of Judah by Babylon. The ten tribes became the lost tribes of Israel, but a remnant from Judah and Benjamin returned to Palestine from Babylonian captivity. Palestine remained under Gentile domination until the Romans drove out the people of Judah, and destroyed Jerusalem and the temple in 70 AD. Then the Muslims took control of Palestine until modern Israel was created.

However, the Zionist secular nation-state of Israel (established in 1948) does not represent the kingdom of Israel under Christ. After His second coming He will supernaturally bring the Jews from all around the world to the land of Israel, where they will be purged, repent, mourn, believe, and a believing remnant will be redeemed and placed under the New Covenant.

That is when the house of Judah and the house of Israel will be united under Christ, and *greater Israel* (between the Nile and the Euphrates) will be allocated by tribes to the 12 tribes, with David as prince under Christ. The prophecy of Ezekiel gives us the details.

Christians who have accepted Replacement Theology do not take these prophecies about a future kingdom of Israel seriously.
 
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All 12 tribes were united under the King of kings, Jesus Christ, in the European church age.
That is hardly possible. The Jews were a persecuted minority in Europe ever since they were dispersed from Palestine.
 
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That is hardly possible. The Jews were a persecuted minority in Europe ever since they were dispersed from Palestine.


I was not referring to antichrist Edomite-jews.

I was referring to the 12 tribes of Christian Israel who created the European Church age.

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That is when the house of Judah and the house of Israel will be united under Christ, and *greater Israel* (between the Nile and the Euphrates) will be allocated by tribes to the 12 tribes, with David as prince under Christ. The prophecy of Ezekiel gives us the details.
The great re-joining and gathering into all of the holy Land of every faithful Christian will happen soon after the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster has changed the world and totally cleared the Middle East. Zephaniah 1:14-18, Isaiah 66:18b-21, +
They will march into the Land and live there in peace and prosperity. Isaiah 35:1-10 The Lord will bless and protect them. He will destroy the Gog/Magog attackers and later, when Jesus Returns, it is the Christians who greet Him with: Blessed is He that comes in the Name of the Lord.
 
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I want to draw your attention to the fact that the resurrection of the "dry bones" in Ezekiel 37 is identical with the resurrection of the "two witnesses" in Revelation 11. And in Revelation 11, too, "two sticks", as in Ezekiel 37, only these sticks are there in the form of "two witnesses ".

The connection between these two fragments of Scripture is realized by the general expression:

... and stood up upon their feet ... (Ezekiel 37:10)
... and they stood upon their feet ... (Revelation 11:11)
 
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I want to draw your attention to the fact that the resurrection of the "dry bones" in Ezekiel 37 is identical with the resurrection of the "two witnesses" in Revelation 11. And in Revelation 11, too, "two sticks", as in Ezekiel 37, only these sticks are there in the form of "two witnesses ".

The connection between these two fragments of Scripture is realized by the general expression:

... and stood up upon their feet ... (Ezekiel 37:10)
... and they stood upon their feet ... (Revelation 11:11)
I stand up on my feet every morning; praise God!
Your two scriptures are not parallels. The Spiritual regeneration of the Lord's people will happen soon after His Day of wrath and the 2 Witnesses will be resurrected practically at the end of the Great Trib, just before Jesus Returns.
 
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Two olive trees from the 11th chapter of the Epistle to the Romans are "two witnesses" from the 11th chapter of Revelation. These are the two Churches: the Jewish and the pagan. Church of the Old Testament and the Church of the New Testament. The prophecy of the first witness began with the construction of the Second Temple in Adar in 516 BC, and the second witness's prophecy ended in March 2005, when the church did not react to the second of the two strongest earthquakes that coincided with Christmas 2004 and Easter 2005, this is a formal sign of the death of the "second witness." 1260 years + 1260 years = 2520 years.
I stand up on my feet every morning; praise God!
I think that you rise every morning not after you died the day before, like "two witnesses"; not after you have turned into "dry bones," as in Ezekiel 37.

Identical expressions in different places in the Scriptures can indicate a link between these fragments. For example, 42 months in the 11th chapter of Revelation, 42 children from Bethel in 2 Kingdoms 2:24 and 42 thousand Ephraimites in Judges 12: 6 - this tells of the same thing.
 
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This Covenant is the one prophesied by Jeremiah 31:31-34 and reiterated in Hebrews 8:10-11 and we await, with great anticipation the time of its implementation.


Are you saying that Jeremiah 31:31-34 was not fulfilled by Christ at Calvary?

Hebrews 8:6 is written in the present tense during the first century.

Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.


On the Day of Pentecost Peter addressed the crowd as "all the house of Israel" in Acts 2:36.

In James 1:1-3 we find the letter addressed to "the twelve tribes".



The New Covenant: Bob George


Jer_31:31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—

Mat_26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Mar_14:24 And He said to them, "This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.

Luk_22:20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

1Co_11:25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."

2Co_3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Heb_8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—
(Quoted from Jeremiah 31:31-34)

Heb_8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Heb_9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

Heb 10:16 "THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS, AND IN THEIR MINDS I WILL WRITE THEM,"
Heb 10:17 then He adds, "THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE." (The Uppercase text in the two verses above are from Jeremiah 31:31-34.)
Heb 10:18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin. (Present tense during the first century)


Heb 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb_12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

(NKJV)
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Both kingdoms saw good and evil kings, but the Israelites would not forsake their idolatry. So the kingdom of Israel was destroyed by Assyria, and the kingdom of Judah by Babylon. The ten tribes became the lost tribes of Israel, but a remnant from Judah and Benjamin returned to Palestine from Babylonian captivity. Palestine remained under Gentile domination until the Romans drove out the people of Judah, and destroyed Jerusalem and the temple in 70 AD. Then the Muslims took control of Palestine until modern Israel was created.

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I'm curious... why did you leave out 300 years of Christian rule over Jerusalem [and the many churches they built there, including a church on the temple mount] between 325AD and when the Muslims conquered Jerusalem in the 7th century AD ??

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I'm curious... why did you leave out 300 years of Christian rule over Jerusalem [and the many churches they built there, including a church on the temple mount] between 325AD and when the Muslims conquered Jerusalem in the 7th century AD ??.
If you knew the history of the Crusades, you would not call their conquests and rule Christian. They were adventurers after indulgences, land and loot. They murdered, broke treaties and generally lived the hedonist lifestyle.
They came to a well deserved end and the time is yet to come for true Christianity to be practiced in Jerusalem.
 
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If you knew the history of the Crusades...


Ironically, I wasn't referring to the Crusades that came later when western Christians tried to liberate Jerusalem from the Muslims.

I was referring to the eastern Byzantine Christians who ruled Jerusalem for about 300 years before the Muslims.

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Btw Keras... would you call the current annual promotion of sodomites dancing in the streets of Jerusalem, "hedonist" ??
I call it satanic and God will soon judge them all. Wait for the Day! Habakkuk 2:3-4
 
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Those who are called Jews and who call themselves Jews, have historically exhibited a bitter envy toward Christianity:
“When the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spoke against the [Gospel]…contradicting and blaspheming” (Acts 13:45).

The Jewish people “repented not”, Revelation 2:21, of their ongoing blasphemy directed toward the Gospel of the Son of God and 40 years afterwards, they were conquered by the Romans and exiled.

So now as “the spirit that now works in the children of disobedience... Ephesians 2:2, there has been a modern migration of the Jewish people back into their ancient homeland and this is their final opportunity to get right with God.

The role of the Spirit of Darkness is to draw the world to Satan and, over the centuries, the Christians have been deceived into believing in another gospel – a false teaching in which the physical peoples called Jews are still considered to be the chosen people of God.

“I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. Revelation 2:9

By embracing Christ rejecting people as the children of God, the believers of the last few centuries are dishonouring Jesus, as only His believers are the chosen people of God. John 15:19, 1 Peter 2:9-10

That the Jewish current occupiers of the part of the holy Land are not the people God intends to have in His Land during the last few years of this era and for the Millennium, is proved by many prophesies:

Ezekiel 21:2-7 Son of man, set your face toward Jerusalem and prophesy against the Land of Israel. My sword will be drawn against everyone from the Negev to the North, it will kill both the righteous and wicked alike. All courage will fail – it will surely take place.

Jeremiah 8:5-12 Judah has no remorse or repentance, How can you say: We have the Law, when your scribes have falsified it? For all, high and low are out for ill-gotten gain, your prophets and rabbis are frauds, every one of them. This wicked race would rather die than live. They say: All is well; no, nothing is well, they will all fall with a great crash on the Day of Reckoning. You will be as dung spread on the ground. Then, I will give the Land to new owners.

Amos 2:4-5 For the crimes of Judah, there will be no reprieve, they have spurned the Law of the Lord and have not observed His decrees. They have followed false gods. Therefore I shall send fire on Judah, fire will consume them.

Hosea 8:14And for you, Judah, a harvest of reckoning will come, I will send fire onto your cities

Zephaniah 1:4-6 Judah will be judged and those who have neither sought the Lord, nor enquired of Him, will be wiped out.

Obadiah 1:15-16 The Day of the Lord is at hand for all the nations....you too will drink the cup of wrath that My people, Judah, must drink on My Holy mountain.

Jeremiah 19:11 I shall smash this people, as a clay jar is smashed beyond repair. There will be no room left to bury them all.

Jeremiah 21:11-14 To the Royal House of Judah....I shall punish you as you deserve. I shall set fire to your scrubland, it will consume everything around about.

Ezekiel 20:46-47...I am about to kindle a fire in the Negev....it will scorch everyone in the Land.

Isaiah 9:18-19 Wicked men have been set ablaze. The Land is scorched and the people are fuel for the fire.

Jeremiah 13:19 The towns in the Negev are besieged, no one can relieve them. Judah has been swept clean away.

Isaiah 4:3-4 The remnant of Judah will be called holy when the Lord cleanses Zion by a Spirit of judgement burning like fire. Romans 9:27



Luke 19:27 As for those enemies of Mine, who did not want Me for their King, bring them here and slaughter them

Matthew 27:25 His blood be upon us and our children.

Matthew 21:41-43 The King will bring those criminals to justice and destroy them. Therefore the Kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will bear its fruit
Ephesians 5:6.....it is for all these sins that Divine retribution falls onto God’s rebel subjects. Romans 1:18
 
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It is essential to realize that modern Israel is not the true Israel of God but imposters who have usurped the birthright name Israel from the house of Israel, that lost their national identity when they were taken captive by the Assyrians from 745-717 BC. The people of Israel were dispersed among the nations and lost the knowledge of their ancestry, as it is still today.

If we want to seek for the lost house of Israel, the only logical place to look is in the Christianized nations of the west that were established in Europe and the British Isles and spread from there to North America, then around the world. The mission of Jesus to the lost sheep of Israel, did not fail, but has had a resounding success!

If the Zionists had taken the name Judah for their nation, they would have been closer to the truth, but even then it would not have been the truth, for that nation is more aligned with the birthright claims of Esau and Ishmael than with the sceptre of Judah.

Is the present-day Israel that rejects Christ producing the fruit of the Kingdom? No! Why? Because Jesus' judgment still stands: May no one ever eat fruit from you again!

Pay close attention to Jesus' word. Many today believe that the modern-day Israel will bear fruit simply because they claim to have the correct genes that make them God's chosen people. Genes do not make one God's chosen, faith does, regardless of one's race, color, gender or language.
 
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