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It’s hard to say because different priests have different requirements, even if they operate in the same diocese or even the same parish.
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If they would be doing me far more harm than I would be doing them good, why do you recommend it as the proper course of action?
Mine is not an intent to dissuade anyone from participating in a local congregation if they are truly being ministered to, but to encourage those who are not being ministered to that there is more out there than simply "obeying the man of God" and dying slowly in the pew.
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In my church the congregation is upwards of 1000 however the majority of the weekends only about 50-100 attend. During the spring and fall festivals they invite the entire community and it can get really crowded and of course it’s only during Easter and Christmas that the entire pious flock reconstitutes itself.
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2Timothy2:15
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I realize that, but Jesus tells us exactly what it means doesn't he in Luke 10. There is the answer.
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2Timothy2:15
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No Paul told us specifically this is the example he gives us. Especially leaders.
2 Thessalonians 3
7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;
8 Neither did we eat any man's bread for nought; but wrought with labour and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you:
9 Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us.
10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
There it is Paul was not just simply foregoing some false right to a salary he explains CLEARLY - all should work, including pastors. Notice the verbage, "we" "ourselves", Paul was not alone, and he is setting the standard for all leaders. Barnabas, Luke were with Paul, so did they too just happen to forego this so called right as well or did they understand the truth?
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The problem with this theory is 1 Timothy 5:17-18. How do you explain these words of Paul in which he clearly seems to say that those who labor in preaching and teaching should be paid?
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2Timothy2:15
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Actually he does not say paid nor is Paul taking money at any point, that is something the church has put in there.
Luke 10 Jesus tells us exactly what it means. This is not a "theory" it is a matter of fact. Paul is quoting Jesus.
5 And into whatsoever house ye enter, first say, Peace be to this house.
6 And if the son of peace be there, your peace shall rest upon it: if not, it shall turn to you again.
7 And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house. ( a labourer is worth his hire/wages, he tells us what that is, eating and drinking what is given to you that day you minister) it is really that simple.
8 And into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you:
(in case it was not clear, Jesus repeats himself, eat those things they give you, as you better because that is your pay)
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2Timothy2:15
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Let's just answer. Are you the senior pastor of the church? Are you pastoring anyone today? Are you already on staff?
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So you think it means that parishioners should cook their pastors a meal every now and then?
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You are paid on staff? How long have you been on staff? How many people do you personally pastor?
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Good post, and I'm in full agreement with you, except for the part about Barnabas and Luke being with him at this point. They left him in Acts 15. He was called to go to the Macedonians in Acts 16. Silas and Timothy are with him at this point (2 Thessalonians 1:1).
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How many hours per week do you expect pastors to devote to the work of pastoring? Is your pastor satisfied to be compensated with a free meal? When's the last time you cooked a meal for your pastor?
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Tree of Life, I answered your questions from Post #21, and you didn't deal with any of the scriptures I addressed. Nor did you answer my question in Post #63. You engaged me in a dialogue when I specially stated I did not desire to get into a debate on this issue, and then when I obliged you and asked a few questions of my own you refused to answer. You are also now refusing to answer 1st Timothy. I can understand if you do not wish to divulge your own personal matters, but the questions I asked you were not personal.
Please address the scriptures I cited or alluded to in Post #21, and my question in Post #63.
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I don't assume that you haven't been part of Jesus' Church. But you seem to clearly be saying that you're not currently part of Jesus' Church. How is it fair to criticize something which you're no longer willing to be a part of?
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