Eternal Commandments: Not what you thought they might be!

Steve, you have started 12 different threads,spamming this forum in less than 1/2 hour, none of the threads I've read have any questions for discussion included so I have to wonder what is your whole point here?

I amend that to 14, I just found 2 more in our Halacha forum.

I notice Mr. Petersen is bearing the Torah Scroll. As such, isn't he allowed to post informative threads rather than strickly question threads. Considering a good number of people post information/"my thoughts" kinds of threads without any discussion prompts or questions...


Welcome, Steve.

How do you define these as Forever commandments? For regarding the last one listed, hasn't the priesthood changed, after Melchetzedek? Isn't the only High Priest we need or ever will need, Yeshua?

Steve Petersen said:

Most of the Christian world shouts that the sacrificial system has been done away with by the death of Jesus, yet these commandments all have to do with the sacrificial system and are 'forever' commandments. How can both be true?

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Queenm04 said:

While discussing d laws that hav been abolished by Y’eshua, with a friend, he said Yeshua did not abolish any law, I was quick to say that he did! for one we don’t sacrifice goats or lambs anymore for forgiveness of sins, it has been done on the cross. He said that when someone had sinned they went to the altar to sacrifice, and Ibrim says if we go on sinning we are crucifying Him afresh. Meaning Jesus Christ fulfilled this law not abolished it.

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Queenm04 said:

Heb 6:6
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame

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Please enlighten me what you mean by ‘eternal’ do you mean they go beyond Yeshua’s second coming?



Suggestion:How about going through that list to see which ones are fulfilled , and which are still to be fulfilled /

Suggestion:How about going through that list to see which ones are fulfilled , and which are still to be fulfilled

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Fulfilled does not mean finished. Fullfilled means done perfectly, and in Yeshua example so that we may also walk in His footsteps and walk in them perfectly under the influence and enpowerment of the Holy Spirit.

Steve Petersen said:

The earthly is a shadow of the heavenly (Colossian 2:16-17, Hebrews 8:5.) They don't have to be mutually exclusive.

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As I continue my hebraic studies I am beginning to understand that this is the case with the Melek Tzaddik, his was an eternal priesthood that did not start when Messiah Yeshua was raised form the Dead but was a Priest without beginning or end so it is another order not a new order that replaces the other.
Being an Eternal Order that was the one on which the Levitical Order was modelled on and by that it was the shadow of the Righteous King who was, is and forever will be a Priest of Elohim Most High.

I hope you can understand it is really amazing to understand this after so much mysterious church dontrine that says we cannot understand this profund truth.

So yes I agree with you Steve that they are definateley not Mutually Exclusive in fact that is the problem with the Gentile Church Theology they see everthing as this or that and cannot come to grips with the fact that many things are "Yes and Amen" this is so profound I can hardly contain my excitment at what it is that he is revealing of his ways to this man who is but dirt and clay. "What is man that though are mindful of him"

My dear wife has this problem it either has to be all her way or not at all, no room for both. Either she is Queen or I am outa here.
Shalom,
Mikhail ben Gino

Steve Petersen said:

The earthly is a shadow of the heavenly (Colossian 2:16-17, Hebrews 8:5.) They don't have to be mutually exclusive.

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I, too, agree with this.

As with so many things, the human priesthood is a type which hearkens forward and back to the Real. The Pesach Lamb, the sacrifices in the temple, the concept of "communion" in Christian circles, the circular nature of so many things in the Word... Elijah, who was, and was again (at least his same spirit) in John, and will be again (forerunner of Y'shua? Coming as invited during the Pesach haggadah? etc.), prophecy which happens and happens again on many levels...

the shadow does continue in light of the real, and in no way negates it.

Malki tzedek existed and appeared on earth long before a human priesthood was instituted, before Abram was changed of G-d into Abraham. Yet a human priesthood was instituted nonetheless and existed concurrently. They will again, when the Temple is rebuilt, and just as the priesthood hearkened forward to the Real, the Great High Priest, the priesthood in the Temple to come will hearken back to Him as well.

Shalom

I think Einstein understood this but was afraid of what it might lead to.

Well it is not a new concept to me, but yes at one time I was suprized that the work Eternal was associated with the sacrifice and the feasts. It is why I started keeping passover, before being into the whole messianic hebrew roots scene.
bananna

visionary said:

Fulfilled does not mean finished. Fullfilled means done perfectly, and in Yeshua example so that we may also walk in His footsteps and walk in them perfectly under the influence and enpowerment of the Holy Spirit.

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Yes, get it now - AMEN!!May Ruach HaKodesh continue to guide us! so there is a chance that some statutes hav continuity, beyond here! they are a shadow of the heavenly.Hmmm....

queenm04 said:

Yes, get it now - AMEN!!May Ruach HaKodesh continue to guide us! so there is a chance that some statutes hav continuity, beyond here! they are a shadow of the heavenly.Hmmm....

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"I sat down under His shadow with great delight" from the Song of Solomon.

Sephania said:

How do you define these as Forever commandments? For regarding the last one listed, hasn't the priesthood changed, after Melchetzedek? Isn't the only High Priest we need or ever will need, Yeshua?

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I think you need to go back to the beginning and think this through again, beginning with the fact that the Levitical Priesthood and the Priesthood after the order of Melchizedek existed and still exist simultaneously.

Steve Petersen said:

Huh? Show me. 12 posts maybe, not 12 threads.

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Reviving the thread after 13 years (and continuing the conversation, as if nothing had happened, with a member that left 11 years ago). That deserves a thread necromancy award.

Steve Petersen said:

Passover/Unleavened Bread Exodus 12:14-20
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Aaron and sons to tend the Menorah Exodus 27:20, 21

Aaron and sons to wear priestly garments Exodus 28:43

Aaron and sons to eat the heave offering Exodus 29:28

The continual burnt offering Exodus 29:42

Aaron and sons to burn incense Exodus 30:8

Aaron and sons to apply blood to altar horns Exodus 30:10

Aaron and sons to wash their hands and feet when ministering Exodus 30:19-21

Israel to observe the Sabbath Exodus 31:13, 16, 17

Aaron and sons to eat the trespass offering Leviticus 6:18

Aaron and sons to present meal offering upon anointing Leviticus 6:22

Priests not to drink wine when serving in Temple Leviticus 10:9

Israel to afflict their souls and rest on the Day of Atonement Leviticus 16:29

Israel to offer sacrifices only at the Temple Leviticus 17:5-7

Israel to observe Firstfruits Leviticus 23:12-14

Israel to observe Pentecost Leviticus 23:21

Israel to observe the Day of Atonement Leviticus 23:28-31

Israel to observe Feast of Tabernacles Leviticus 23:39-41

Aaron and sons to blow the trumpets Numbers 10:7, 8

Rules of various offerings Numbers 15:3-15

Levites to perform the Temple services Numbers 18:20-23

Ceremony of the Red Heifer Numbers 19:1-10

Cities of refuge Numbers 35:29

Priesthood of Aaron and his sons Deuteronomy 18:5

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Continual, or, forever is just that; unless the covenant is revoked.