Do any of you in this group believe we believers can lose our salvation?
Please quote scripture to back your belief. Thank you!
I believe the true "born again from above" Christ-follower enjoys salvation that is ETERNALLY SECURE.
The true believing Christ-Follower is NOT spiritually JUDGED for his POSITION in Christ.
John 3:18
He who believes in Him is not judged;
he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten (not made) Son of God.
John 5:24...“Truly, truly, I say to you,
he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.(PAST COMPLETED AORIST TENSE!!)
Only the WORKS, in or out of the will of God, are judged by Jesus on His "bema seat" awards platform.
1 Corinthians 3:10-15 (NIV)...Judgment of the BELIEVER'S WORKS
2 Corinthians 5: 1-15 (NIV) + 1 Corinthians 3:10-15 (NIV) + Romans 14:10b,12 (1-23)
10 For we (BELIEVERS) must all appear before the "judgment (bema = awards platform) seat of Christ",
that each one may receive what is due him for the things done (WORKS) while in the BODY, whether good or bad....
I HAVE BEEN saved from the PRISON of sin / death....SEE: Ephesians 8 for example..."born again from above"...redeemed
I AM BEING saved from the POWER of sin / death....SEE: 1 John 4-5..."overcome the world" ....and
I WILL BE saved from the PRESENCE of sin / death...SEE: New Heavens/Earth/Jerusalem in Revelations
Jesus taught and practiced FORGIVENESS OF SINS to believers...NOT loss of spiritual POSITION
Mark 11: 24-25
See ALSO: Luke 6: 36-38...Jesus: Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
Jesus will never "..cast out " a true "sheep" ...believer.
John 6:35-40
Paul taught that: (NOTHING) ..."will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord...."
Romans 8: 35-39
John 10...Jesus the God-Man and God the Father hold you in His HAND...NOTHING can "snatch" you out!
The TRI-UNE God by Grace through Faith has saved the Souls and Spirits of all true believers:
1. shown uttermost LOVE...John 13:1
2. keeps us to Himself.....John 28:30
3. presents us faultless in heaven...Jude 24
4. makes intercession to maintain our saved relationship...Hebrews 7:25; 1 John 2:1
5. places us into the Body of Christ / indwelt by God the Holy Spirit...1 Cor. 12:13
6. seals us until the day of redemption...Ephesians 4:30
NO ONE has EVER undone these spiritual works!
If GOOD WORKS do not follow salvation, then perhaps there was no true salvation in the first place!
James 2:22 says FAITH + WORKS go hand-in-hand!
Romans 7:23...the stuggle
but I see a different law in the members of my body,
waging war against the law of my mind
and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members.
REDEEMED and freed from the prison of sin!...Jesus paid the price and set us free to follow God's will!
Galatians 3:13
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse FOR us...
Job 33:28
‘He has redeemed my soul from going to the pit, And my life shall see the light.’
1 Peter 1
18 knowing that you were not redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold from your futile way of life inherited from your forefathers,
19 but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Christ.
20 For He was foreknown before the foundation of the world, but has appeared in these last times for the sake of you
21 who through Him are believers in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory,
so that your faith and hope are in God.
Theological Results of a Christan-follower's Salvation: completed Work of Jesus on the Cross cannot be UNDONE!
1 Peter 1:8-9
Ephesians 2:6-10
Romans 10:10
Substitution = "for" = in place of + for the benefit of + on behalf of
Matthew 20:28
Galatians 3:13
1 Peter 3:18
2 Corinthians 5:21
Atonement = "at-one-ment"= RECONCILIATION with God through the required SACRIFICE for SIN ...once ...FOR... all
Hebrews 7:27
Hebrews 9:26-28
Hebrews 10:10-14
1 Peter 3:18
Redemption - purchased out of the market place / pawn shop of sin and freed by paying a price
1 Corinthians 1:30
Hebrews 9:12
1 Timothy 2:5-6
Titus 2:11-14
Reconciliation - to change from the status of alienation to the status of family
2 Corinthians 5:19-21
Hebrews 2:17
Adoption - receiving new status by being taken from a family not your own into a new family...
from outsider to full privileges of "son"
Isaiah 62:2
Romans 8:12-17
Galatians 4:1-5
Propitiation - appease or satisfy a God angry with sin and be reconciled with Him
Mark 3:29
Mark 14:21
Romans 1:18
Ephesians 5:6
Romans 3:21-26.
1 John 2:1-2
Justification - "just-if -i -had never sinned"~ = forgiveness of sins?
legal term : not guilty, acquitted, no sentence, no condemnation, law has been perfectly been satisfied, fine paid.
Luke 24:47
Acts 10:43
1 John 2:12
Acts 13:39
Romans 3:21-26
Romans 5:1,9
Romans 10:10
1 Corinthians 6:11
Galatians 2:16-17
Galatians 3:11,24
Titus 3:7
James 2:21-26.
1 John 1:8-10
Santified / Sanctification: - "to set apart" : the goats become sheep and then slowly become "saintly"/"holy"/ Christ-like, more complete and mature
John 17:19
Acts 26:18
1 Corinthians 1:2
1 Corinthians 6:11
Hebrews 10:10-14
1. POSITION changes at salvation ...from outsider to full "son" of God
Hebrews 10:10-14
1 Corinthians 6:11
2. PRACTICE changes, and there is spiritual growth toward maturity as followers imitate the model of perfection
1 Peter 1:6-7, 13-16
3. PRESENCE and POWER of sin in the believer's life disappears totally in time eternal
Revelations: 21-22
for atonement... Hebrew 3725...kippur...atonement (only in 8 OT books?)
Exodus 29:36
“Each day you shall offer a bull as a sin offering for atonement, and you shall purify the altar when you make atonement for it, and you shall anoint it to consecrate it.
the atonement. ...Greek 2643....katallage...adjustment of a difference, reconciliation, restoration to favour
Romans 5:11 (KJV)
And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
by whom we have now received the ATONEMENT.
Romans 5:11 (NASB)
And not only this, but we also exult in God through our Lord Jesus Christ,
through whom we have now received the RECONCILIATION.
for "substitution"
1 Corinthians 15:3
For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died FOR our sins according to the Scriptures,
1 Peter 3:18
For Christ also died FOR sins once FOR all,
the just (Jesus) FOR the unjust (mankind),
so that He might bring us to God, (reconciliation/salvation)
having been put to death in the flesh,(unjust bloody death)
but made alive in the spirit;(resurrection, appearances, ascension)
Colossians 2:9
For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,
Colossians 1
19 For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness (of DEITY) to dwell in Him,
20 and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself,
having made peace through the blood of His cross;
through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.
