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If the scripture does not agree with the original Orthodox Judaism, then it is a lie. Christ is an ancient being, if he was to introduce anything new, he would have had the smarts to explain why. Logical deduction is for the wise, and following feelings is for fools.
Now stop wasting my time.

So your assumption is that Christ must conform to modern Orthodox Judaism (which has been subject to just as much theological development internally as any form of Christianity has been) otherwise we must treat the supposed statement as a corruption.

This seems to ignore that Judaism of the second temple was hardly unified under any one form, there being different understandings of what it meant to be a jew or be faithful to Torah. That's also from the scant information we have of the period. Who knows the differences that were unremarked upon in the history books. This standard also sets up an assumption that has yet to be proved, namely Jesus was an Orthodox Rabbi when the New Testament presents him questioning the religious establishments of both the Pharisees and Saducees. So much so, they wanted to kill him. Why couldn't Jesus be critical of the Pharisees? What is stronger than the Gospel evidence concerning this? Are all Jews everywhere absolutely devoted Pharisaical tradition? Clearly not.

Instead of telling me not to waste your time, why not actually try and have a conversation. I guess you just wanted to share your opinion without being criticised. Fine for a sermon, not an online discussion forum.
 
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“I am Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last,” was added to verse 1:11. For some reason bibles do not mention that fact, they just exclude it.



Revelation 1:11

KJ21

saying, “I am Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last,” and, “What thou seest, write in a book and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia: unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.”

ASV

saying, What thou seest, write in a book and send it to the seven churches: unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamum, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

AMP

saying, “Write on a scroll what you see [in this revelation], and send it to the seven churches—to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”

AMPC

Saying, I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last. Write promptly what you see (your vision) in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia—to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.

BRG

Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

CSB

saying, “Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea.”

CEB

It said, “Write down on a scroll whatever you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea.”

CJB

saying, “Write down what you see on a scroll, and send it to the seven Messianic communities — Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea!”

CEV

The voice said, “Write in a book what you see. Then send it to the seven churches in Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea.”

DARBY

saying, What thou seest write in a book, and send to the seven assemblies: to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamos, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.

DLNT

saying “Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches— to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamum, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea”.

DRA

Saying: What thou seest, write in a book, and send to the seven churches which are in Asia, to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamus, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.

ERV

It said, “Write down in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea.”

ESV

saying, “Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”

ESVUK

saying, “Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”

EXB

The voice said, “Write what you see in a ·book [scroll] and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea [C locations in western Asia Minor, present-day Turkey].”

GNV

Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, that first and that last: and that which thou seest write in a book, and send it unto the seven Churches which are in Asia, unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

GW

saying, “Write on a scroll what you see, and send it to the seven churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea.”

GNT

It said, “Write down what you see, and send the book to the churches in these seven cities: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea.”

HCSB

saying, “Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea.”

ICB

The voice said, “Write what you see and send that book to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea.”

ISV

saying, “Write on a scroll what you see, and send it to the seven churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea.”

PHILLIPS

I, John, who am your brother and your companion in the distress, the kingdom and the faithful endurance to which Jesus calls us, was on the island called Patmos because I had spoken God’s message and borne witness to Jesus. On the Lord’s day I knew myself inspired by the Spirit, and I heard from behind me a voice loud as a trumpet-call saying, “Write down in a book what you see, and send it to the seven Churches—to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea!”

JUB

that said, I AM the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, and What thou seest, write in a book and send it unto the seven congregations which are in Asia: unto Ephesus and unto Smyrna and unto Pergamos and unto Thyatira and unto Sardis and unto Philadelphia and unto Laodicea.

KJV

Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

AKJV

saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

LEB

saying, “What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”

TLB

saying, “I am A and Z, the First and Last!” And then I heard him say, “Write down everything you see, and send your letter to the seven churches in Turkey: to the church in Ephesus, the one in Smyrna, and those in Pergamos, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea.”

MSG

I, John, with you all the way in the trial and the Kingdom and the passion of patience in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of God’s Word, the witness of Jesus. It was Sunday and I was in the Spirit, praying. I heard a loud voice behind me, trumpet-clear and piercing: “Write what you see into a book. Send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, Laodicea.” I turned and saw the voice. I saw a gold menorah with seven branches, And in the center, the Son of Man, in a robe and gold breastplate, hair a blizzard of white, Eyes pouring fire-blaze, both feet furnace-fired bronze, His voice a cataract, right hand holding the Seven Stars, His mouth a sharp-biting sword, his face a perigee sun. I saw this and fainted dead at his feet. His right hand pulled me upright, his voice reassured me:
 
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MEV

saying, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last,” and “What you see, write in a book, and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea.”

MOUNCE

saying, “Write what you see on a scroll and send it to the seven churches—to Ephesus, · Smyrna, · Pergamum, · Thyatira, · Sardis, · Philadelphia, and Laodicea.”

NOG

saying, “Write on a scroll what you see, and send it to the seven churches: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea.”

NABRE

which said, “Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea.”

NASB

saying, “Write in a book what you see, and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”

NCV

The voice said, “Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea.”

NET

saying: “Write in a book what you see and send it to the seven churches—to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea.”

NIRV

The voice said, “Write on a scroll what you see. Send it to the seven churches in Asia Minor. They are Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea.”

NIV

which said: “Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea.”

NIVUK

which said: ‘Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea.’

NKJV

saying, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last,” and, “What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.”

NLV

It said, “(*I am the First and the Last.) Write in a book what you see and send it to the seven churches. They are in the cities of Ephesus and Smyrna and Pergamum and Thyatira and Sardis and Philadelphia and Laodicea.”

NLT

It said, “Write in a book everything you see, and send it to the seven churches in the cities of Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea.”

NRSV

saying, “Write in a book what you see and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamum, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.”

NRSVA

saying, ‘Write in a book what you see and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamum, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.’

NRSVACE

saying, ‘Write in a book what you see and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamum, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.’

NRSVCE

saying, “Write in a book what you see and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamum, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.”

NTE

‘Write down what you see in a book,’ it said, ‘and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea.’

OJB

Saying, Ani Hu the Aleph and the Tav, HaRishon (The first) and HaAcharon (The last): and, What you see [in the chazon], write in a sefer and send it to the sheva (seven) HaKehillot, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea. [YESHAYAH 30:8]

RSV

saying, “Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Per′gamum and to Thyati′ra and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to La-odice′a.”

RSVCE

saying, “Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Per′gamum and to Thyati′ra and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to La-odice′a.”

TLV

saying, “Write what you see in a scroll, and send it to Messiah’s seven communities—to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”

VOICE

A Voice: [I am the Alpha and the Omega, the very beginning and the very end.] Make a book of what you see, write it down, and send it to the seven churches [which are in Asia]: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea.

WEB

saying, “ What you see, write in a book and send to the seven assemblies : to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.”

WE

The voice said, `Write what you see in a book. Send it to the seven churches in the cities of Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea.'

WYC

saying to me, Write thou in a book that thing that thou seest [saying, That thing that thou seest, write in a book], and send to the seven churches that be in Asia; to Ephesus, [and] to Smyrna, and to Pergamos, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.

YLT

`I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last;' and, `What thou dost see, write in a scroll, and send to the seven assemblies that [are] in Asia; to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamos, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.'
 
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Jacob Changed To James By Catholics

In the days of King James II the European bible was in Latin, and only the priest were allowed to have a bible.

The Vatican is of the belief that they have the right to change the wording of scriptures.
It was against Vatican law in those days for the public to be in possession of bible scriptures, or historical writings.

Since the name James is not in the most ancient of bible text, although it is given as a interpretation; that would mean that it was the Vatican who made the change during the days of King James II, AKA James the Just.

The use of James occurs in the Wyclifite version written around 1382.

Luther’s German Bible only has Jakob throughout it.
The Luther Bible is a German Bible translation by Martin Luther, first printed with both testaments in 1534.

Because Luther's German bible does not have the name James in it, but the Wyclifte bible does, that means that just prior to the printing of the Wyclifite version, the Latin bible was changed.


James or Jacob

The “James” or “Jacob” question.
The name “James” seems to have been around from the time of Tyndale and Wycliffe. In the New and Old Testament: German “Jakob” OT, and “Jakobus” NT; the Vulgate, “Iacob” OT, “Iacobus” NT. The French Bible Jerusalem identifies the OT figure as “Jacob,” while the NT figure is “Jacques.” And of course, the New Testament and the Septuagint apply the name Ιακωβ to the patriarch, but Ιακωβος (the declinable form) to all the companions of Jesus [Yahshua] who go by this name.

The “Christian name” James or the “Jewish name” Jacob.

It is said that the name James is derived from the same Hebrew name as Jacob. James, meaning: He who "supplants." Jacob: He who "grasp heel."

The name James came into English language from the French variation of the late Latin name, Iacomus; a dialect variant of Iacobus, from the New Testament Greek Ἰάκωβος (Iákōbos), a variant form from Hebrew name יעקב (Yaʻaqov) Jacob.

The modern name James did not exist during the days of Yahshua.

King James, the Just?

In regards to speaking about King James II of Aragon being called "James the Just."

Link: James II of Aragon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
James II of Aragon - Wikipedia

The name James entered the scriptures in place of Jacob about the time of King James II.
The 1611 KJV and that King James only continued to use James in place of Jacob.
King James II (10 August 1267 – 2 November or 5 November 1327).
King James is also called King James the Just. Aragonese: Chaime lo Chusto, Catalan: Jaume el Just, Spanish: Jaime el Justo.

Saint Jacob. ( In Hebrew: יעקב) Jacob , (died AD 62).
Saint James the Just.

He was known as Jacob the Just in 350 AD in the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas 12
Quote: The Disciples said to Jesus, "We are aware that you will depart from us. Who will be our leader?" Jesus said to them, "No matter where you come it is to [James / Jacob] the Just that you shall go, for whose sake heaven and earth have come to exist."

The Gospel of Thomas is dated at around 340 AD. The First Apocalypse of James is also called the Revelation of Jacob, because the original text has the name Jacob, but is given the interpretation James. The actual name used is Jacob, but translators keep giving the name Jacob the interpretation "James."



The name James entered scriptures about the same time as King James was being called James the Just, which also was said of Jacob in the Gnostic writings. Translators for whatever the reason keep giving Jacob the name James, even though it does not appear in the most ancient text. It would be logical to conclude that the reason was to honor King James II, by adding his name to scriptures. You would think that the translators would have more respect for the bible then that. The Hellenist and Kabbalist were also involved in corrupting scriptures, usually in matters of the Messiah Yahshua.

In order for the name James to appear in the Strong's and NIV Exhaustive concordances, they would have to be basing the scriptures upon late translations, and not the earliest of text.
Every mention of the Patriarch Jacob, for example, is translated as Jacob, not James – yet it’s the same Greek word. And more significantly, according to Matthew 1.16, Joseph’s father – Jesus’ adoptive grandfather – was called Iakob. And in English Bibles you will find that he is called Jacob, not James.

Here’s the NRSV:
‘Jacob the father of Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born’ (Matt 1.16)

Yet, when the same name – Jacob – is used for Jesus’ brother in Matthew 13.55, it’s translated as James:
‘Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?’ (Matt 13.55)

Let’s be quite clear: it’s the same word – Iakob. And yet it’s translated two different ways. Joseph clearly named his son in honour of his own father. And yet in every English translation, the translators call one Jacob, and the other James.

The name James wasn’t even invented until about the twelvth century – it’s an English version of the Spanish name Jaime.

Here is the word Jacob: ϊακωβ [Iakob]. It is not the word Iakobos which is translated as James. We are talking about Matthew 4:21. The word is [Iakob] there, and not Iakobos which is translated as James.

Note: Did you know that Judah appears in the NT over 40 times, yet is only translated once in the KJV correctly as Judah? So it's not about the Greek name it's about a selective translation.

In my opinion it is wrong to deliberately alter scriptures. When scholars do that it makes the scriptures look as if they are a falsehood. The name James is not the only change that has been made to scriptures. People have to conspire to make those changes.


con•spire/kənˈspī(ə)r/Verb
1. Make secret plans jointly to commit an unlawful or harmful act.
2. (of events or circumstances) Seem to be working together to bring about a particular result, typically to someone's detriment.

In a image capture of Matthew 4:21 from the Codex Sinaiticus, the name Jacob is given the interpretation James. That is your proof.


In a image capture of Mark 5:37 from the Codex Sinaiticus, the ΟΝ ending that follows the first instance is the accusative ending, and the ΟΥ ending of the second is the genitive.

Ιάκωβον = Jacob as a direct object in a sentence.
Ιακώβου = Jacob as a possessive noun.

Γιγνωσκω τον Ιάκωβον. = I know Jacob.
Γιγνωσκω τον του Ιακώβου αδελφον. = I know Jacob's brother.

And Mark 13:3 it is: ϊακωβοϲ. And in Mark 15:40 it is: ϊακωβου. And in Luke 9:28 it is: ϊακωβον. And in Galatains 1:19 it is: ϊακωβο.

Studying this further, I find that the last two letters after Jacob are words not being translated. See the scriptures for all program: Scripture4All - Greek/Hebrew interlinear Bible software

It literally is Jacob, and it is not being translated that way.

Greek is an inflectional language. This means that meaning is often conveyed in prefixes and suffixes, whereas in English we convey the same meaning with prepositions, word order and sometimes suffixes (not normally prefixes, though adverbial modifiers can often be prefixed [such as un- and under- and re-]).

Greek nouns and adjectives have endings that fall into three major groups, called "declensions". These declensions have five functional sets of endings determined by the function of the word in a sentence. The meaning is indicated in the last letter or two of the word. This is consistent for Greek nouns and adjectives.

Foreign words translated into Greek do not normally receive these endings. That's the case with the Hebrew names Ἀβραάμ (Abraham), Ἰσαάκ (Isaac), Ἰάκωβ (Jacob), among many others (if you check the translation of the LXX from Hebrew into Greek, you'll find so many of them!).

At some point in the Hellenization of Israel, certain traditionally Hebrew names (such as Jacob) took on case endings, which is a result of their converting the names into Greek. Instead of using the traditional form of the name Ἰάκωβ, we find case endings, such as Ἰάκωβος. It's a Greek version of the name, allowing it to function in all ways like Greek names.

Thus, there are two forms of the name:
1) the more ancient form, transliterated directly from Hebrew, not using any case endings -- used for the Patriarch Jacob.
2) the more Greek form, operating with case endings -- used for contemporaries of the Hellenists.


And so the bottom line is this, the name Jacob should have been translated as such.
 
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In the Greek and Hebrew there is the word "I," but there is no such words as "I am."

"I am" is an interpretation for "I Lived" also here in John 8. I Lived" is the trans-literal.

John 8:58
New International Version (NIV)

58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”


And in Matthew 26 and Mark 14 we have the same story with two different acknowledgements.

Matthew 26:62. Then the high priest stood up and said to Jesus, "Are you not going to answer? What is this testimony that these men are bringing against you?"
63. But Jesus remained silent. The high priest said to him, "I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God."
64. "Yes, it is as you say," Jesus replied. "But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven."

Mark 14:60. Then the high priest stood up before them and asked Jesus, "Are you not going to answer? What is this testimony that these men are bringing against you?" 61. But Jesus remained silent and gave no answer.
Again the high priest asked him, "Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?"

62. "I am," said Jesus. "And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven."
 
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Acts 20:28 Holman bible foot note. Other mss read church of the Lord; other mss read church of the Lord and God

Acts 20:28 NIV foot note. Many manuscripts: “of the Lord” 28Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers.(a) Be shepherds of the church of God,(b) which he bought with his own blood.

1 Timothy 3:16 Holman bible foot note. Other mss read God
1 Timothy 3:16 NIV foot note. Some manuscripts God

1 Timothy 3:16 (New International Version)
16Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great:
He(a) appeared in a body,(b)
was vindicated by the Spirit,
was seen by angels,
was preached among the nations,
was believed on in the world,
was taken up in glory.

Footnotes:
a. 1 Timothy 3:16 Some manuscripts God
b. 1 Timothy 3:16 Or in the flesh
 
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John 17:21
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

John 17:23
I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
 
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In the fourth-century, Marcellus of Ancyra declared that the idea of the Godhead existing as three hypostases came from Plato, through the teachings of Valentinus. Valentinus is quoted as teaching that God is three, three prosopa (persons) called the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit:

These men also taught three hypostases, just as Valentinus the heresiarch first invented in the book entitled by him 'On the Three Natures'. It was believed he was the first to invent three hypostases and three persons of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, but he was discovered to have taken this from Hermes and Plato.

Valentinus (also spelled Valentinius) (c.100 - c.160) was known as a early Christian Gnostic Theologian.

It should be noted that Nag Hammadi library Sethian text such as Trimorphic Protennoia identify Gnosticism as also professing Father, Son and feminine wisdom Sophia or as Professor John D Turner denotes, God the Father, Sophia the Mother, and Logos the Son.
 
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Doctrine and Practice in the Early Church:
By Dr. Stuart G. Hall 1992, pages 20 and 21. Professor Stuart G. Hall was the former Chair of Ecclesiastical History at King's College, London England. Dr. Hall makes the factual statement that Catholic Trinitarian Baptism was not the original form of Christian Baptism, rather the original was Jesus name baptism. "In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," although those words were not used, as they later are, as a formula. Not all baptisms fitted this rule." Dr Hall further, states: "More common and perhaps more ancient was the simple, "In the name of the Lord Jesus or, Jesus Christ." This practice was known among Marcionites
and Orthodox; it is certainly the subject of controversy in Rome and Africa about 254, as the anonymous tract De rebaptismate ("On rebaptism") shows."
 
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The word "Church" is not in scripture.

The word "Assembly and Congregation" are INTERPRETATED as Church. Now what do you think of that?

If you will take notice, the word Church is not used in the Old Testament. The word Ekklesia is used 114 times, and mostly as an INTERPRETATION for Church and a few times as Assembly or Congregation. The word Church is an INTERPRETATION were as Assembly or Congregation would be a TRANSLATION.

The ecclesia or ekklesia was the principal assembly of the democracy of ancient Athens during its Golden Age (480-404 BCE). It was a gathering place for politicians and voters. This is the word used in most English versions as a rendering of the New Testament's Greek word ekklesia. Ekklesia really means "a calling out", a meeting or a gathering. Ekklesia is the Greek equivalent of the Hebrew qahal, which means an assembly or a congregation. Neither ekklesia nor qahal means a building.

Tyndale, in his translation, uniformly translated ekklesia as "congregation" and only used the word "'churches" to translate Acts 19:37 for heathen temples! Where then did the word "church", come from?
Ecclesiastical sources give the origin as kuriakon or kyriakon in Greek. However to accept this, one has to stretch your imagination in an attempt to see any resemblance. Also, because kuriakon means a building (the house of Kurios=Lords), and not a gathering or meeting of people, as the words ekklesia and qahal imply, therefore this explanation can only be regarded as distorted, even if it is true.

Our common dictionaries, however, are honest in revealing to us the true origin. They all trace the word back to its Old English or Anglo-Saxon root, namely circe. And what is the origin of circe? Any encyclopedia, or dictionary of mythology, will reveal who Circe was. She was the goddess daughter of Helios, the Sun deity! Again, another form of Sun worship, this time the daughter of the Sun deity had become mixed with the Christian Faith.

Some interesting facts emerge from the study of the word circe. The word is related to "circus", "circle", "circuit", "Circean", "circulate", and the various words starting with circum". The Latin pronunciation could have been "sirke" or "sirse". The Old English word circe may have been pronounced similarly to "kirke", or even "sirse".
However, Circe was in fact originally a Greek goddess where her name was written as: Kirke, and pronounced as such. The word "church" is known in Scotland as kirk, and in German as Kirche and in Netherlands as kerk. These words show their direct derivation from the Greek Kirke even better than the English "church". However, even the Old English circe for "church", reveals its origin.
Let us rather use the Scriptural "Assembly" or "Congregation", and renounce the word that is derived from Circe, the daughter of the Sun deity which is worshiped even today on the day of the Sun, Sunday!

This is what the point of this subject is: Many Christians place the importance of a "Church" as the only means of salvation, when in fact it is the believers themselves that are The Body of Christ.

Salvation is obtained by your keeping of God's precepts and Commandments in addition to the testimony of Yahshua. And that is what scripture says. That is The New Covenant.
The True Church is the "congregation" of believers.
A Church is a building for public gatherings of various sorts. Where ever the true believers assemble, that is the congregation.
 
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Angel

The Bible uses the terms מלאך אלהים (melakh Elohiym; messenger of God), מלאך יהוה (melakh Adonai; messenger of the Lord), בני אלוהים (b'nai Elohiym; sons of God) and הקודשים (ha-qodeshim; the holy ones) to refer to beings traditionally interpreted as angels. The word "angel" in English (from Old English and German Engel), French (from Old French angele), Spanish, and many other Romance languages are derived from the Latin angelus, itself derived from Koine Greek: άγγελος, angelos, "messenger" (pl. άγγελοι)

Angels or Messengers

Colossians 2
18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind.



Acts 23:8
(The Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, and that there are neither (angels / messengers) nor spirits, but the Pharisees believe all these things.)



Hebrews 2:16
For surely it is not (angels / messengers) he helps, but Abraham’s descendants.


Hebrews 12:22
But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of (angels / messengers) in joyful assembly,


Hebrews 13:2
Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to (angels / messengers) without knowing it.


Angel in (Hebrew: מַלְאָךְ‎ malakh, plural malakhim) is a messenger of God, an envoy or messenger in general who appears throughout the Hebrew Bible, Rabbinic literature, and traditional Jewish liturgy.

Etymology

Hebrew "mal'akh" (מַלְאָךְ) is the standard Hebrew Bible word for "messenger", both human and divine, though it is less used for human messengers in Modern Hebrew. In the King James Bible the noun malakh is rendered as "angel" 111 times, "messenger" 98 times, and "ambassadors" 4 times. The noun derives from the verbal consonantal root (ל-א-ך), meaning "to send". This root is attested in Hebrew only in this noun, and in the noun "Melakha" (מְלָאכָה), meaning "work". The term "Mal'akh" therefore simply means one who is sent, even when applied to humans; for instance, "Mal'akh" is the root of the name of the prophet Malachi, whose name means "my messenger".

Scholar Michael D. Coogan notes that it is only in the late books that the terms "come to mean the benevolent semidivine beings familiar from later mythology and art."

Angels are found in Sumerian, Babylonian, Persian, Egyptian and Greek writings. It is well known that ancient Sumerian texts predating the Hebrew bible included the idea of the existence of angels.

Though maybe called different names, benevolant spirit beings similar to angels can also be found within other religions, mythologies, and lore. Hinduism has avatars, Buddhism has devas and bodhisattvas, the Greeks wrote about daimons, and other spirit beings similar to angels, such as guardian spirits and spirit guides, which have been taught by tribal cultures. All of these have similar functions as helpful spirit messengers, or angels.


Numbers 21:5. they spoke against God and against Moses, and said, "Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the desert? There is no bread! There is no water! And we detest this miserable food!"
6. Then the LORD sent venomous snakes among them; they bit the people and many Israelites died.

Jude 5. Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. 6. And the [angels / messengers] who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.


The trans-literal is "messenger" or "messenger of God".

#1. The word-s messenger-s is translated as Angel-s. #2. Messenger-s can be a person-s from the Kingdom of God or a person-s born here. #3. Wings symbolizes status and are not literal. #4. The messenger-s who have 4 wings here on earth are the same person-s who later have 6 wings in the Kingdom of God. Seraph-s are Seraphim-s which means, "Beings of Fire." It is parabolic for "Beings of Judgement." Cherub-s are Cherubim-s which means "Highest Guardian or Spiritual Beings." The Seraphim in Isaiah 6 are the same person-s in Revelation, translated as "Beasts" or Creature-s. The correct translation should be "Living Being-s."
 
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God is not evil.


Because of these verses in the King James Bible, people say," I could never serve a God that is evil".

Very few people are aware of this fact, and that is, that the King James Bible was translated by a secret society for their use; as a matter of fact it is also called the "Masonic bible".

Interpreting certain scriptures as God doing evil supports the Masonic philosophy of Dualism, that God is both good and evil.

Here in Jeremiah 8:8 is a prophecy; and it states that the word of God would be tampered with.

K.J.V. Jeremiah 8:8. How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the Lord is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.

N.I.V. Jeremiah 8:8. "How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the Lord," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?

The word of God is divinely inspired, and as Christians it is your responsibility to see to it that you’re being taught the truth; yes, you, and not somebody else.



Psalms 5:4-5. For you are not a God that has pleasure in wickedness: neither will evil dwell with you.
5. The foolish will not stand in your sight: you hatest all workers of iniquity.

Job 34:10. Therefore hearken to me you men of understanding: far be it from God, that he should do wickedness; and from the Almighty, that he should commit iniquity.

Psalms 5:4-5 and Job 34:10 both show that God doing evil is a contradiction to what is written.




Here is a list of scriptures below that are not translated correctly to support the Masonic belief of Dualism.

Exodus 5:22. And Moses returned unto the Lord, and said, Lord, wherefore hast thou so evil entreated this people? why is it that thou hast sent me?

Exodus 32:12.Wherefore should the Egyptians speak, and say, For mischief did he bring them out, to slay them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth? Turn from your fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against your people.

Joshua 23:15.Therefore it shall come to pass, that as all good things are come upon you, which the Lord your God promised you; so shall the Lord bring upon you all evil things, until he have destroyed you from off this good land which the Lord your God hath given you.

Judges 9:23. Then God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem; and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech:

1 Samuel 6:9. And see, if it goeth up by the way of his own coast to Beth-shemesh, then he has done us this great evil: but if not, then we shall know that it is not his hand that smote us; it was a chance that happened to us.

1 Samuel 16:14-23. But the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the Lord troubled him.
15. And Saul's servants said unto him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubleth thee.
16. Let our Lord now command your servants, which are before thee, to seek out a man, who is a cunning player on an harp: and it shall come to pass, when the evil spirit from God is upon thee, that he shall play with his hand, and thou shalt be well.
17. And Saul said unto his servants, Provide me now a man that can play well, and bring him to me.
18. Then answered one of the servants, and said, Behold, I have seen a son of Jesse the Bethlehemite, that is cunning in playing, and a mighty valiant man, and a man of war, and prudent in matters, and a comely person, and the Lord is with him.
19. Wherefore Saul sent messengers unto Jesse, and said, Send me David thy son, which is with the sheep.
20. And Jesse took an *** laden with bread, and a bottle of wine, and a kid, and sent them by David his son unto Saul.
21. And David came to Saul, and stood before him: and he loved him greatly; and he became his armourbearer.
22. And Saul sent to Jesse, saying, Let David, I pray thee, stand before me; for he hath found favour in my sight.
23. And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him.

1 Samuel 18:10. And it came to pass on the morrow, that the evil spirit from God came upon Saul, and he prophesied in the midst of the house: and David played with his hand, as at other times: and there was a javelin in Saul's hand.

1 Samuel 19:9. And the evil spirit from the Lord was upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand: and David played with his hand.

2 Samuel 12:11. Thus says the Lord, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto your neighbour, and he shall lie with your wives in the sight of this sun.

1 Kings 9:9. And they shall answer, Because they forsook the Lord their God, who brought forth their fathers out of the land of Egypt, and have taken hold upon other gods, and have worshipped them, and served them: therefore hath the Lord brought upon them all this evil.

1 Kings 14:10. Therefore, behold, I will bring evil upon the house of Jeroboam, and will cut off from Jeroboam him that [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]eth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel, and will take away the remnant of the house of Jeroboam, as a man taketh away dung, till it be all gone.

1 Kings 21:21 and 29. 21. Behold, I will bring evil upon thee, and will take away thy posterity, and will cut off from Ahab him that [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]eth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel,
29. Seest thou how Ahab humbleth himself before me? because he humbleth himself before me, I will not bring the evil in his days: but in his son's days will I bring the evil upon his house.

1 Kings 22:23. Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.

2 Kings 6:33. And while he yet talked with them, behold, the messenger came down unto him: and he said, Behold, this evil is of the Lord; what should I wait for the Lord any longer?

2 Kings 21:12. Therefore thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Behold, I am bringing such evil upon Jerusalem and Judah, that whosoever heareth of it, both his ears shall tingle.

2 Kings 22:16 and 20. Thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, and upon the inhabitants thereof, even all the words of the book which the king of Judah hath read:
20. Behold therefore, I will gather thee unto thy fathers, and thou shalt be gathered into thy grave in peace; and thine eyes shall not see all the evil which I will bring upon this place. And they brought the king word again.
 
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2 Chronicles 7:22. And it shall be answered, Because they forsook the Lord God of their fathers, which brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, and laid hold on other gods, and worshipped them, and served them: therefore hath he brought all this evil upon them.

2 Chronicles 18:22. Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil against thee.

2 Chronicles 34:24 and 28. Thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, and upon the inhabitants thereof, even all the curses that are written in the book which they have read before the king of Judah:
28. Behold, I will gather thee unto thy fathers, and thou shalt be gathered to thy grave in peace, neither shall thine eyes see all the evil that I will bring upon this place, and upon the inhabitants of the same. So they brought the king word again.

Nehemiah 13:18. Did not your fathers thus, and did not our God bring all this evil upon us, and upon this city? Yet ye bring more wrath upon Israel by profaning the sabbath.

Job 42:11. Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the Lord had brought upon him: every man also gave him a piece of money, and every one an earring of gold.

Psalms 54:5. He shall reward evil unto mine enemies: cut them off in thy truth.

Psalms 78:49. He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them.

Isaiah 31:2. Yet he also is wise, and will bring evil, and will not call back his words: but will arise against the house of the evildoers, and against the help of them that work iniquity.

Isaiah 45:7. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Jeremiah 4:6. Set up the standard toward Zion: retire, stay not: for I will bring evil from the north, and a great destruction.

Jeremiah 6:19. Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people, even the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not hearkened to my words, nor to my law, but rejected it.

Jeremiah 11:11,17 and 23. Therefore thus saith the Lord, Behold, I will bring evil upon them, which they shall not be able to escape; and though they will cry unto me, I will not hearken to them.
17. For the Lord of hosts, that planted thee, hath pronounced evil against thee, for the evil of the house of Israel and of the house of Judah, which they have done against themselves to provoke me to anger in offering incense unto Baal.
23. And there will be no remnant of them: for I will bring evil upon the men of Anathoth, even the year of their visitation.

Jeremiah 16:10. And it shall come to pass, when thou shalt show this people all these words, and they shall say unto thee, Wherefore hath the Lord pronounced all this great evil against us? or what is our iniquity? or what is our sin that we have committed against the Lord our God?

Jeremiah 18:8. If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.
9. And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it;
10. If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.
11. Now therefore go to, speak to the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying, Thus saith the Lord; Behold, I frame evil against you, and devise a device against you: return ye now everyone from his evil way, and make your ways and your doings good.

Jeremiah 19:3 and 15. And say, Hear ye the word of the Lord, O kings of Judah, and inhabitants of Jerusalem; Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, the which whosoever heareth, his ears will tingle.
15. Thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring upon this city and upon all her towns all the evil that I have pronounced against it, because they have hardened their necks, that they might not hear my words.

Jeremiah 23:12. Wherefore their way shall be unto them as slippery ways in the darkness: they shall be driven on, and fall therein: for I will bring evil upon them, even the year of their visitation, saith the Lord.

Jeremiah 26:3. If so be they will hearken, and turn every man from his evil way, that I may repent me of the evil, which I purpose to do unto them because of the evil of their doings.

Micah 1:12. For the inhabitant of Maroth waited carefully for good: but evil came down from the Lord unto the gate of Jerusalem.


God created the concept of good and evil, but He Himself is pure and good.
 
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The Mark Of Forgiveness.

The mark of forgiveness was a single charcoal line placed upon the forehead; it was given by the priest to let the people know that the person had been forgiven.
The pole Moses made to hang the serpent was not a cross either, it was a single pole. The charcoal mark is symbolic of that pole Moses made. Christ was hung on a single pole, not a cross.

Ezekiel 9:4
and said to him, “Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it.”

Ezekiel 9:6
Slaughter the old men, the young men and women, the mothers and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary.” So they began with the old men who were in front of the temple.

The word for mark is Tau, the last letter of the Hebrew alphabet.

This is the Hebrew word for cross: לַחֲצוֹת

The New Strong's Concise Concordance & Vine's Concise Dictionary of the Bible states that the meaning of "stauros (4716) denotes, primarily , "an upright pale or stake." On such malefactors were nailed for execution. Both the noun and the verb stauroo, "to fasten to a stake or pale," are originally to be distinguished from the ecclesiastical form of a two beamed "cross." The shape of the latter had its origin in ancient Chaldea, and was used as the symbol of the god Tammuz (being in the shape of the mystic Tau, the initial of his name) in that country and in adjacent lands, including Egypt. By the middle of the 3rd cent. A.D. the churches had either departed from, or had travestied, certain doctrines of the Christian faith. In order to increase the prestige of the apostate ecclesiastical system pagans were received into the churches apart from regeneration by faith, and were permitted largely to retain their pagan signs and symbols. Hence the Tau or T, in its most frequent form, with the cross-piece lowered, was adopted to stand for the "cross" of Christ."(Vine's Concise Dictionary of the Bible, pg 75, 1999 edition)

"Cross" and "Crucify" are nowhere to be found in the Greek New Testament.


Yahshua never once used the word "Hell." The word Hell was placed there by the translators of the bible. Yahshua used the word "Gehenna." Gehenna: Referring to the Valley of Hinnom, or Gehenna which is the city dump outside the walls of Jerusalem. According to Archaeologist, there is no evidence to support that Gehenna was a place for burning garbage. There was however lots of Potsherds found.


Jeremiah 19:2
and go out to the Valley of Ben Hinnom, near the entrance of the Potsherd Gate. There proclaim the words I tell you...

The Serpent's doctrine is eternal life in Hell.
 
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The word hell was not originally in the Greek, Hebrew, or Aramaic text, as the so called biased translators have tried to establish it as scripture; but they were not good enough to cover up the reality of what God is saying. The source of this word hell and the concept of eternal torture is not Christian, but Pagan. You can find it in Babylon, in Greece, and especially Rome. But if you dig a little bit deeper you will see that it is bad translations that have infected this doctrine of Damnation in scriptures. As a matter of fact, scripture teaches the opposite.


ALL will see Gods salvation, even the condemned on the day of judgment. However, salvation is for the Elect of God, but the condemned will die because they did not seek God or repent. Death is their punishment. Sad but true. In regards to Romans 5: "All" is not everyone, but everyone saved. The condemned still are cut off from the living in death for all eternity.

Hell is more than a mistranslation, it's a premeditated deliberate assault on scripture to introduce the Teutonic pagan word.

Tar-ta-rus (tartarus) [[ Gr Tartaros ]] Gr. Myth. 1. An infernal abyss below Hades, where Zeus hurls the rebel Titans, later a place of punishment for the demons and devils. (mentioned only once in the Bible)

Ha-des (hadez) [[Gr Haides ]] 1 Gr. Myth. a. The home of the dead, beneath the earth. b The god of the underworld. 2. Bible: The state or resting place of the dead: name used in some modern translations of the New Testament

She-ol (sheol) [[Heb shaal , to dig]] A place in the depths of the earth conceived of as the dwelling of the dead. Note: In the KJV about half of scriptures are translated as hell, the other half as grave.

Gehenna: Mentioned twelve or thirteen times in the bible. Gehenna: Referring to the Valley of Hinnom, or Gehenna which is the city dump outside the walls of Jerusalem.

Topheth is believed to be a location in Jerusalem, in the Valley of Hinnom, where the Canaanites sacrificed children to the god Moloch by burning them alive.

Are the words you are reading a translation, or an interpretation? What you are taught as Christians depends on whose team you’re on.


Gehenna Sheol Tomb Grave Sepulcher Hades Hell

Gehenna
The word Gehenna in English is גֵיא בֶן־הִנֹּם or גיא בן-הינום in Hebrew.

Sheol
The word Sheol in English is שְׁאוֹל in Hebrew

Tomb, Grave, Sepulcher
The English word “tomb” is τάφος in Greek.
The English word “grave” is Ταφικός or τύμβος in Greek.
The English word "sepulcher" is μνήμα in Greek.

Hell
The English word "Hell" is κόλαση, διάολο, κόλασης, Κολάσεως in the different Greek forms.

Hades
The English word "Hades" is άδης, Άδη, τον Άδη, ο Άδης in the different Greek forms.

As a person can see the Greek words Hell and Grave are not the same.
 
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John 1:1

Greek:
en arche en ho logos kai ho logos en pros ton theon kai theos en ho logos

Interlinear:
en (in) arche (beginning) en (was) ho (the) logos (Word) kai (and) ho (the) logos (Word) en (was) pos (toward or with) ton (TON is a special definite article "the" meaning the one and only, it appears as TON instead of O in the Greek) theon (Divine Eternal) kai (and) theos (divine) en (was) ho (the) logos (Word)

In English we have:
In beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the (one or only) Divine Eternal, and divine was the Word.

The defining article "a" must be supplied for the English language, to define that there is another Divine that is not the "Divine Eternal."

Why do translators drop off the definite article TON (the one or only) before Divine Eternal?
 
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Armageddon or Harmagedon: Revelations 16:16. "and in the Hebrew language it is called Armageddon."
There is no word "Armageddon" in the Hebrew language; the word Armageddon is a contraction and mistranslation for the words,"Mount of the Congregation Zion".

Ar / ma / ged / don. Also: Har / ma / ged / on.

Har / edah / siyyon.
Har: Mount or Mountain.
Edah or Mowed: Assembly, Community or Congregation.
Siyyon: Zion.

Revelations 16:13-16. And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and that beast, and out of the mouth of a false prophet.
14. For they have evil spirits, working miracles for the rulers of the earth and the whole world, to gather them togather to do battle against God Almighty on that great day.
15. Watch, I come like a thief. Blessed is he that keeps watch, and keeps his cloths, or else he will walk naked, and people will see his shame.
16. And they gathered them together to that place, and in the Hebrew language it is called; Mount of the Congregation Zion.

Isaiah 29:8. So will it be with the hordes of all the nations that fight against Mount Zion.

Proverbs 9:1. Wisdom has built her house; she has hewn out its seven pillars.

Revelations 3:12. Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God.

Zechariah 3:9. There are seven eyes on that one stone,...

Zechariah 4:10. These seven are the eyes of the lord,...

Revelations 5:6. He had seven horns and seven eyes,...

Daniel 12:3. Those who are wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars...

Revelations 1:20. The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lamps is this: The seven stars are the angels (messengers of God) of the seven churches, (congregations)...

Zechariah 3:8. Listen O high priest of (Joshua / Yahshua) and your associates seated before you, who are men symbolic of things to come; I am going to bring my servant, the Branch. (Yahshua)

And so, where are they? Who are these seven different churches [congregations] and the seven messengers? When the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?


It is a presumption by some scholars, and not a fact, that Megiddo is a battlefield described in the Bible, in relationship to Revelation 16:16, as a place of a predicted final struggle between good and evil. Some believe that the name may be taken from that of the battlefield of Megiddo valley. See Judges 5:19.

The word "Megiddo" appears in scripture twelve times, and never with the word "Har" for (Mount) in front of it. The word "Megiddon" is a King James translation in the Old Testament only; and in Revelation 16:16, the King James uses the word spelling "Armageddon". The Valley of Megiddo and Armageddon have no biblical relationship.

King James Version: Zechariah 12:9-11. And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
10. And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications; and they shall look upon (me / him) whom they have pierced, and they will mourn for him, as one mourns for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
11. In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as (Like) the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.

Zion is not only the faithful in Israel and the world, but it is also a city in the last days according to scripture.
There is a great deal of scripture to support what I claim, with the word "Zion." However, there is no scripture to support that the valley of Megiddo is a gathering place for Zion.
 
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The term "Godhead" is an English variant of the word "godhood" and was first introduced by John Wycliffe (1330-1384 C.E.) in English Bible versions as godhede.

The word "Godhead" is a translation of three different Greek words, theion (meaning "divinity, deity", # 2304 in Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament) at Acts 17:29, and theiotēs (meaning "divinity, divine nature", # 2305 in Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament) at Romans 1:20, and theotēs (meaning "deity", # 2320 in Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament) at Colossians 2:9.

To translate three different Greek words as one word is deviously incorrect. This is not unlike having three different names for one street on a map (with the real name hidden), so that when a person used it, he wound up lost. Likewise of those who read Bibles with "Godhead" in it, thereby misleading a person that the trinity is "real".

Hence, the need for an accurate Bible, one that renders the Hebrew and Greek words and phrases with a high degree of precision, just as a map that can be counted on to provide exact information. Unfortunately, many Bibles follow the lead of the King James Bible, or is otherwise biased, because the trinity, along with a host of other religious teachings that are not true, that has such a strangle hold on so many.
 
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Revelation 13:18, "Here is wisdom. Let him that has understanding count the number of that beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred and sixty six" - 666.

Bible prophecy tells us the Antichrist beast has a man at its head. And that man is the one who speaks for it. The Bible also says his number is 666. Roman letters have numerical value, and every person's name also has a number value, because of the Roman alphabet having numerical value. John is telling us it is the number of a man, and his number adds up to 666.

In the official Roman Catholic weekly magazine, Our Sunday Visitor, April 18, 1915, the question was asked in the question and answer column: "What are the letters inscribed in the Pope's crown, and what do they signify if anything." Here's the answer given according to the Catholic magazine itself: "The letters inscribed in the Pope's miter are these: VICARIOUS FILII DEI which is the Latin for Vicar of the Son of God."

VICARIUS FILII DEI is one of the most exalted titles of the Roman pontiff and is the official name of the Pope. Adding the value of Roman Numerals, we discover an amazing fact:

V.......5..........F.......0..........D.......500
I........1..........I........1..........E............0
C...100..........L.....50..........I.............1
A.......0..........I........1..........------------
R.......0..........I........1....................501
I........1..........---------
U......5..................53
S......0
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.....112

If you add up the numerical value, you'll find out Vicarius=112, Filii=53, Dei=501. Together it equals the number 666. He has four more names in Latin, official titles given in Catholic literature, every one of them adds up to 666; he has three names in Greek, two names in Hebrew, all adding up to 666.

Here in Greek and Hebrew are transliterations of other names or titles of the Pope:

GREEK - Lateinos....................HEBRON - Romiith
(Latin Man or Church)...............(Roman Kingdom)
L..............30.............................200
A................1 ................................6
T............300 ..............................40
E................5 ..............................10
I...............10 ..............................10
N..............50 .............................400
O..............70 ----------------------------
S.............200 ............................666
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..............666

HELATINEBASELEIA, which means the Latin Kingdom:

H........E........L........A........T........I........N........ E
0........8........30........0........300....10.....50........8

B........A........S........I........L........E........I........ A
2........0........200....10.....30........8........10........0 = 666

Here is the Papal Church in Greek with its numeral values. ITALIKA EKKLESIA, which means Italian Church:

I........T........A........L........I........K........A
10....300.....0........30......10.......20.......0

E........K........K........L........E........S........I........ A
8........20........20.....30........8........200...10........0 = 666

One of the early names for the Pope was PONTIFEX MAXIMUS. This in Latin means Supreme Pontifex. The Pope has had a number of titles down through the centuries. Here are two in Latin with their meanings:

DUX CLERI, Captain of the Clergy. LUDO VICUS, "Chief Vicar" of the Court of Rome.

Here are titles of the Pope with numerical values for the Roman numerals:

D........U........X........C........L........E........R........ I
500....5........10......100....50......0........0.........1 = 666

L........U........D...........O................V........I........C........U........S
50......5........500........0................5.......1..... 100.......5........0 = 666
 
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