Hostility between LDS and mainstream Christians
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Not a problem, it's what I'm here for. I likewise enjoyed hearing you explain your beliefs. Thank you.Hi Miss Doe. I just want to say thanks for the links explaining Mormon beliefs in a frank sincere manner. Like this one.Becoming Like God Kudos, to ya
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Those scriptures and others I have posted do indeed back up my claim.
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How does this back up a prior existence? God is asking a rhetorical question here---just like all the other questions He poses. If Job was there He would have said so! That is the point--he wasn't there! He is asking all the questions that Job can not answer for he wasn't there---they prove there was no prior existence!
At the creation of this world---all of God's created beings (all his sons--the host of heaven)-- the whole of the universe was watching God create this world---shouted for joy when it was done----That is all it means and it is beyond believe that anyone can come up with preexistence with these verses!
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This has been posted countless times, but you refuse to acknowledge its true meaning!!
This is from a Jewish site, I lost which site it was --
1 -- A Psalm of Asaph. God hath stood in the company of God, In the midst God doth judge.
2 Till when do ye judge perversely? And the face of the wicked lift up? Selah.
3 Judge ye the weak and fatherless, The afflicted and the poor declare righteous.
4 Let the weak and needy escape, From the hand of the wicked deliver them.
5 They knew not, nor do they understand, In darkness they walk habitually, Moved are all the foundations of earth.
6 I -- I have said, 'Gods ye are, And sons of the Most High -- all of you,
7 But as man ye die, and as one of the heads ye fall,
8 Rise, O God, judge the earth, For Thou hast inheritance among all the nations!
A core belief of Judaism is that there is only one God.The Hebrew is:
אֲנִי-אָמַרְתִּי, אֱלֹהִים אַתֶּם; וּבְנֵי עֶלְיוֹן כֻּלְּכֶם.
The word אֱלֹהִים can mean "God". It can also mean Judge, Idolatrous god/power (note the distinction between God and gods), Important Person.
In this context, others translate it as "godlike beings", "angels", "angelic creatures". But definitely not "Gods".
the translation אֱלֹהִים as 'Power' or 'Powerful Ones.' That covers the different possible meanings of G-d, false gods, powerful people or angels. Those who are either powerful or are falsely thought to be powerful in this world.
In a Kabbalistic sense when G-d is referred to as אֱלֹהִים that represents G-d acting within nature, while Y-H-V-H represents G-d transcending nature.
Psalm 82 poetically plays on the different meanings of אֱלֹהִים to exhort judges to judge properly and support the weak and poor rather than favoring the rich and powerful.
non-literal translation.
G-d 'stands' in the midst of judges and will judge them.
How long will you (bad) judges favor the wicked? Give justice to the weak, the orphan and the poor. Rescue the needy and powerless from the hands of the wicked.
They (corrupt judges) do not know nor do they understand that they walk in darkness.
I thought all judges were G-dly and powerful sons of the most High (i.e. good and righteous) But like all men, even powerful princes you will die.
Please G-d judge the world, you control all the nations.
JS had no concept of Hebrew---which proves he was not led by the Spirit. The Spirit understands Hebrew quite well.
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Thank you for pointing that out; I was having terrible problems with my computer!
Page 43 at the top of the screen says p. 36 at the bottom. Look for the subtitle E. Mortality provides us with the opportunity to develop the attributes of godliness.
In the 1986 Doctrines of the Gospel Student Manual, under E. Mortality provides us with the opportunity to develop the attributes of godliness:
“[A] man and his wife when glorified will have spirit children who eventually will go on an earth like this one we are on and pass through the same kind of experiences, being subject to mortal conditions, and if faithful, then they also will receive the fullness of exaltation and partake of the same blessings. There is no end to this development; it will go on forever. We will become gods and have jurisdiction over worlds, and these worlds will be peopled by our own offspring.”
Doctrines of the Gospel Student Manual, 1986, Chapter 10, p. 29; also see Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 1955, v. 2, p. 48
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So who do you believe (all his sons--the host of heaven) are? I believe that would include everyone.
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No they don't. Being "like-minded" with Christ or perfected in Christ in no way states or implies that we will share in his divinity or somehow obtain our own divineness. Man simply cannot become a god.
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In Mormonism, man has no beginning.
Doctrine and Covenants 132
19 And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant, and it is sealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of promise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the keys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s Book of Life, that he shall commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever.
20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them.
Doctrine and Covenants 132
Doctrine and Covenants 93
23 Ye were also in the beginning with the Father; that which is Spirit, even the Spirit of truth;
Doctrine and Covenants 93
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Jesus Christ clarified Palms 88 when He said:
(New Testament | John 10:31 - 36)
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
So understanding the Greek where the word judges does not fit shows the true meaning.
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James 2:24 refers to being justified in the sight of men. God already knows that He justifies us by grace through the faith he gave us.
Matthew 5:16
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works,
and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
1 Samuel 16
for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.
John 10:14
I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
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(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 93:28 - 30)
28 He that keepeth his commandments receiveth truth and light, until he is glorified in truth and knoweth all things.
29 Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.
30 All truth is independent in that sphere in which God has placed it, to act for itself, as all intelligence also; otherwise there is no existence.
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I checked several theologians to verify what I stated earlier and I was correct.
When Jesus answered:
“Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods” ’
he was quoting Psalm 82:6 which the context of Psalm 82 was not complimentary toward the people whom is referred to as "gods".This is part of what was given to me from one of the theologians concerning the context Psalm 82:
Since government & authorities is established by God for his purposes, the rulers were called "gods" because they were God's representatives who had received their power as ruling authorities from him. Jesus therefore refers to this psalm in John 10:34 when he is arguing with the leaders of the Jews because they were angry the he (Jesus) called himself the Son of God.
Jesus' point in quoting Psalm 82 was this: If Scripture called God's earthly representatives "gods" (and every word of Scripture is inspired by God) why should the Jews be upset if God's true Son from heaven, his greatest representative to the human race, called himself "Son of God"?
The God-given responsibility of rulers is to punish the guilty and protect the good. All too often the rulers of Israel were doing just the opposite. When rulers ignore even the natural knowledge of God's law and lead their people into moral darkness, they destroy the very foundation of society. Rulers who so shamefully abuse the trust which God has given them will be judged most severely.
The God-given responsibility of rulers is to punish the guilty and protect the good. All too often the rulers of Israel were doing just the opposite. When rulers ignore even the natural knowledge of God's law and lead their people into moral darkness, they destroy the very foundation of society. Rulers who so shamefully abuse the trust which God has given them will be judged most severely.
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No---It means exactly what it says. all the created host at that time--it was before God created man---we never existed before being created! That is a blatant lie of JS!! God breathed into us His life giving breath, the very same breath He gave to every living thing on this planet--we didn't exist prior to that anymore than anything else did.
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