WHY GOD CREATED EVIL !!!

John tower · May 2, 2018

☦Marius☦ said:
I didn't even bring up historians? How is saying that translations of the Bible are different and sometimes the original meaning isn't carried over as well equivalent to putting "credence in worldly historians". Talk about straw man.

Because the Bible was written in English, which is the language Jesus spoke. Of course how silly of me to forget!

Also you are implying no non English speakers are serious, honest Christians.

1 John 2(27): The only true interpreter of God's real truth : stop listening to worldly authorities without God's spirit : This is your mistake : they trick you into attacking God's word by arguing about translations : The kjv is definitely the best translation : so stop arguing about translations : this is profitless : just a subtle form of attacking God's word !

zelosravioli · May 2, 2018

"... You keep listening to the babbling of worldly historians without God's spirit and have allowed them to lead you astray : this is your mistake : Wisdom of the world is foolishness with God : stop listening to them !" (John Tower)
John Tower, I'm guessing you are saying the AKJV or NKJV is the truest, or only trustworthy bible translation is that correct?
If so then, what translation should the French, German, Spanish, Russian, Chinese reading people trust then? And how could they check the accuracy of their translations.

John tower · May 2, 2018

1213 said:
It would be good to notice also, in the beginning, everything was good. Then people rejected God (good truth and love) and get the chance to know what evil means (lack of good, truth and love = God).

God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. There was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.
Gen. 1:31

But it is correct, Bible says God forms evil. But in this case, it is good to think, what evil really is. It is actually nothing, it is like darkness or emptiness, it is what is left, when good is not present. Good on the other hand is like light. And when the light doesn’t shine, evil remains. People wanted to know evil and therefore we were expelled to this darkness. Luckily there is still some light remaining so that people could find the truth.

To shine on those who sit in darkness and the shadow of death; To guide our feet into the way of peace."
Luke 1:79

But “darkness” doesn’t comprehend it, as it is said in:

And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
John 1:5

"I am the light of the world. He who follows me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the light of life."
John 8:12

Unfortunately, many seem to choose the darkness.

Everything is still good , exactly as God intended it in his all preordained plan : to say otherwise is an intimation that God is not in perfect control , an attack on God's sovereignty !

SkyWriting · May 2, 2018

John tower said:
The most blasphemous false doctrine of men is the teaching that God did not create all things, and that God is not even in control of his own creation ! How do they arrive at this blasphemous false doctrine ? The bible says to trust in God, and not lean unto our own understanding : PROVERBS 3(5) : ” Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not unto your own understanding , ” Why does the bible tell us not to lean unto our own understanding ? : 1 CORINTHIANS 13(12) : ” For now we see through a glass darkly , for NOW WE KNOW IN PART . ” This is why the bible tells us not to lean unto our own understanding : Because we presently have very limited understanding, and we will think that we see something wrong, WHEN THERE IS IN FACT NOTHING WRONG, WE JUST THINK THAT WE SEE SOMETHING WRONG , BECAUSE OF OUR LIMITED UNDERSTANDING . A perfect example of this is the teaching that evil could not possibly have a good purpose in God’s creation : So we say that God has nothing to do with it . Well for starters the Bible clearly states that GOD CREATED EVIL : ISAIAH 45(7) : ” I make peace AND CREATE EVIL , I THE LORD DO ALL THESE THINGS. ” Well the question of course arises : Why did God create evil ? If we read GENESIS 3(22) : We see that GOD HIMSELF SAYS : ” The man is become as one of us , to know good AND EVIL ! ” So ACCORDING TO GOD HIMSELF , EVIL DOES INDEED HAVE A GOOD PURPOSE : IT IS PART OF BECOMING AS A GOD ! But if we lean unto our own understanding , we don’t understand this, and we think that evil is only bad : So we then say that God did not create it , thus now SAYING THAT GOD DID NOT CREATE ALL THINGS : ” A SUPER SERIOUS BLASPHEMY .” We say that God does not want evil in his creation : Yet evil is still there : THUS IMPLYING THAT GOD IS NOT EVEN IN CONTROL OF HIS OWN CREATION : Because according to them all these things are there that God supposedly does not want : YET ANOTHER SUPER SERIOUS BLASPHEMY AGAINST GOD ! The truth of course is that GOD CREATED ALL THINGS , INCLUDING EVIL : AND THEY ALL WORK TOGETHER FOR GOOD in his great plan , and God is in absolute control, even if we don’t understand it yet ! Listen to what God says to us in ISAIAH 55(8&9) : ” 8 : ” For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways , ” 9 : ” For as the heavens are higher then the Earth , so are my ways higher then your ways , and my thoughts then your thoughts . ” Following are a few more examples of things that God uses to fulfill his purposes that if we lean unto our own limited understanding, we might think are bad , thus saying that what God does is bad ; 1 SAMUEL 16(14) : ” But the spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and AN EVIL SPIRIT FROM THE LORD troubled him .” and 1 KINGS 22(23) : ” Now therefore behold : THE LORD HATH PUT A LYING SPIRIT in the mouth of all these thy prophets .” So remember PROVERBS 3(5) : ” Trust in the Lord with all thine heart , and lean not unto thine own understanding .” STOP BLASPHEMING EVERY TIME YOU SEE SOMETHING YOU DONT UNDERSTAND , AND SAYING THAT GOD DID NOT DO IT OR CREATE IT : YOU ARE ON VERY DANGEROUS GROUND ! PROVERBS 3(7) : ” BE NOT WISE IN THINE OWN EYES , FEAR THE LORD, DEPART FROM EVIL . ” : IT IS A GREAT EVIL TO BE WISE IN THINE OWN EYES AND JUDGE GOD !

God tasked the earth to create living creatures.

Sorry. I didn't write it.

Celticroots · May 2, 2018

John tower said:
Everything is still good , exactly as God intended it in his all preordained plan : to say otherwise is an intimation that God is not in perfect control , an attack on God's sovereignty !

I don’t know of anyone except you who thinks that a world full of suffering-disease, violence and abuse against innocent people, wars, poverty etc is a good world.

That is not a good world. Evil is the resort of man’s free will and his decision to choose evil.

Saying God created evil goes against His character.

Hearingheart · May 2, 2018

John tower said:
There is that wresting of scripture : These people can take any verse and explain it away : Not something to be proud of : They have become very adept at wresting God's word !!

So let me get this straight....anything that is not KJV translation is wresting scripture? So you don't agree with the original language of the manuscripts. Are you opposed to studying the ancient history, culture and religion contained in the bible? What are those who don't speak the English of the KJV, are their translations inaccurate?

Celticroots · May 2, 2018

Hearingheart said:
So let me get this straight....anything that is not KJV translation is wresting scripture? So you don't agree with the original language of the manuscripts. Are you opposed to studying the ancient history, culture and religion contained in the bible? What are those who don't speak the English of the KJV, are their translations inaccurate?

I honestly think threads like this are started to stir up arguing.

Hearingheart · May 2, 2018

Celticroots said:
I honestly think threads like this are started to stir up arguing.

I don't think they are started just to stir up contention and division, (I hesitate to judge a man's heart) although that is the fruit they bear and, honestly, some of the posts are very informative so there's that to glean.

Alpha.Omega · May 2, 2018

JackRT said:
I think that you are aware that this statement is completely inaccurate.

The King James Version of the New Testament was based upon a Greek text (the Textus Receptus) that was marred by mistakes, containing the accumulated errors of fourteen centuries of manuscript copying. It was essentially the Greek text of the New Testament as edited by Beza, 1589, who closely followed that published by Erasmus, 1516-1535, which was based upon a few medieval manuscripts. The earliest and best of the eight manuscripts which Erasmus consulted was from the tenth century, and yet he made the least use of it because it differed most from the commonly received text; Beza had access to two manuscripts of great value, dating from the fifth and sixth centuries, but he made very little use of them because they differed from the text published by Erasmus. We now possess many more ancient manuscripts (about 9000 compared to just 10) of the New Testament, and thanks to another 400 years of biblical scholarship, are far better equipped to seek to recover the original wording of the Greek text. Much as we might love the KJV and the majesty of it’s Jacobean English, modern translations are more accurate.

Can I ask if you speak from first hand experience in textual studies, or simply parroting what you have read elsewhere? If you think that the modern versions, like the NIV, NTL and even the ESV and NASB, are more accurate and based on better textual evidence than the KJV, you are very much mistaken. Age of manuscripts mean zilch, if the one/s that they are copied from are flawed in the first place. The 10 manuscripts can be of far greater value in determining the original text, than the 9000! Your reasoning is faulty.

Alpha.Omega · May 2, 2018

This guy John Tower seems to like to argue about nothing. He clearly does not understand what the Bible really has to say, seems ignorant of Hebrew and Greek, and complains that everyone who disagrees with him, is "wresting" the Bible. Never heard more rubbish in my life!

☦Marius☦ · May 2, 2018

John tower said:
1 John 2(27): The only true interpreter of God's real truth : stop listening to worldly authorities without God's spirit : This is your mistake : they trick you into attacking God's word by arguing about translations : The kjv is definitely the best translation : so stop arguing about translations : this is profitless : just a subtle form of attacking God's word !

You are actually making stuff up that I never said. How is listening to professional Christian translators of Biblical language listening to "worldly authorities". Stop trying to accuse me of something falsely because I don't agree with your opinion.

You actually think that the people who translated the KJV didn't study for years the original languages?

"The KJV is definitely the best translation", yea I agree- If you don't have access to the original texts in their original language with a detailed commentary on what the verses are saying.

☦Marius☦ · May 2, 2018

Alpha.Omega said:
This guy John Tower seems to like to argue about nothing. He clearly does not understand what the Bible really has to say, seems ignorant of Hebrew and Greek, and complains that everyone who disagrees with him, is "wresting" the Bible. Never heard more rubbish in my life!

And I ought to know by now that most of the threads where the user doesn't even have a profile picture, and puts half of the post in caps, is automatically going to be some toxic argument where the poster only wants to hear that he is right about everything.

Alpha.Omega · May 2, 2018

John tower said:
1 John 2(27): The only true interpreter of God's real truth : stop listening to worldly authorities without God's spirit : This is your mistake : they trick you into attacking God's word by arguing about translations : The kjv is definitely the best translation : so stop arguing about translations : this is profitless : just a subtle form of attacking God's word !

"The kjv is definitely the best translation", and you know this because?

Alpha.Omega · May 2, 2018

☦Marius☦ said:
And I ought to know by now that most of the threads where the user doesn't even have a profile picture, and puts half of the post in caps, is automatically going to be some toxic argument where the poster only wants to hear that he is right about everything.

People who know the least, shout the loudest!

gomerian · May 2, 2018

Alpha.Omega said:
This guy John Tower seems to like to argue about nothing. He clearly does not understand what the Bible really has to say, seems ignorant of Hebrew and Greek, and complains that everyone who disagrees with him, is "wresting" the Bible. Never heard more rubbish in my life!

I don't know Hebrew or Greek, but I do know where to find an interlinear. Once you know the nature of God (somewhat) you know what fits and what doesn't. It took me a very long time, because I started out in Sardis and I've had to pitch out reams of bad dogma.

The sequence of events:
Matthew 13:25 "But while men slept, His enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way."
Revelation 3:1-2 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; "These things saith He that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God."
Matthew 24:28 "For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles {buzzards} be gathered together."
Revelation 16:15 "Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed [is] he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame."
{Wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked Laodicea.}

Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, "Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely."

Micah888 · May 2, 2018

Alpha.Omega said:
Age of manuscripts mean zilch, if the one/s that they are copied from are flawed in the first place.

I agree completely. John William Burgon was a leading British textual scholar of the 19th century, and devoted his whole life to studying the Greek manuscripts, collating them, and evaluating them. He was well respected by F.H.A. Scrivener (who was the most outstanding textual scholar and wrote the textbook on Textual Criticism).

But Burgon also wrote many books in this regard, and he also established seven sound principles for evaluating any manuscript. He called them The Seven Notes of Truth, and the age of a manuscript was simple ONE determining factor.

On the other hand, Westcott & Hort (his contemporaries) made the age of a manuscript THE SOLE CRITERION for its value. Unfortunately (as Burgon and others established) the oldest manuscripts, Aleph and B (Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus) were the MOST CORRUPT. Therefore W & H invented a fanciful hypothesis to reject the majority of manuscripts, and give sole preference to these two. And they based their critical Greek text primarily on Aleph and B, with support from A, C, and D. Ever since, all critical texts have followed W& H in opposition to the Textus Receptus.

davp · May 2, 2018

I question the interpretations of men, like yourself, I just try to keep with the word. If I listen to man, they would have me believe there was no death in the garden, but hey, man ate food so at least their was death for plants, and what about animals did they have eternal life before man sinned, and then received death because of mans sin! No they read the scriptures wrong. Man in those days were only to live in the flesh 1000 years. And it will be like those whom are resurrected on the earth when Christ returns, Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

But when this mortal seed dies then the spiritual body can put on immortality in him. When Adam and Eve sinned they received Spiritual death that very same day! On the day you eat, you will die! This is the second death! Death of the spirit. The worst death, cast out of his presence forever! Thank God he sent his Son to redeem us whom are destined to be lost!
When God created creation, he said "it was good," and after man he said "it is very good." He did not say it was perfect and immortal!
Cor 15:35 But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? What kind of body will they have when they come? ” 36 You fool! What you sow does not come to life† unless it dies. 37 And as for what you sow — you are not sowing the body that will be, but only a seed, perhaps of wheat or another grain. 38 But God gives it a body as he wants,† and to each of the seeds its own body.
So we see here;
The seed (mans flesh) has to die that the true life can begin which is much different from the seed and much more glorious -for some!

Celticroots · May 2, 2018

☦Marius☦ said:
And I ought to know by now that most of the threads where the user doesn't even have a profile picture, and puts half of the post in caps, is automatically going to be some toxic argument where the poster only wants to hear that he is right about everything.

I have the same feeling you do when I see the all caps.

chilehed · May 2, 2018

John tower said:
The most blasphemous false doctrine of men is the teaching that God did not create all things, and that God is not even in control of his own creation.

Second to the false doctrine that God positively created moral evil.

John tower said:
The bible says to trust in God, and not lean unto our own understanding

So start doing that, and stop blaspheming God.

1213 · May 2, 2018

John tower said:
Everything is still good , exactly as God intended it in his all preordained plan : to say otherwise is an intimation that God is not in perfect control , an attack on God's sovereignty !

Still, Jesus said:

Jesus asked him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good, except one-God.
Luke 18:19

Everything is as God has allowed it to be. But I don’t think evil persons who lie and murder are good. And I believe originally things were rather good, until God was rejected.

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