GOD'S WORD vs TRADITIONS OF MEN; Sabbath vs Sunday

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Your inability to understand the message in the letter you quote has been proven. You can only ignore the evidence and continue copy/pasting the same old things.

Not at all what you accuse others of that is what you are doing. The beam..
All I copy and paste are scripture. The studies is my own. If you cannot respond to the posts and scriptures sent you maybe you should pray about it at home?

It is God's WORD not mine.
 
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Fair question.


Jesus Himself claimed to be YHWH, the Lord God.


54 Jesus answered, “If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your[m] God. 55 Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word.56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw itand was glad.”

57 Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”

58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

59 Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. John 8:54-59


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8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” Revelation 1:8


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12 “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”
Revelation 22:12-13


Peter says it this way -

Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ: 2 Peter 1:1

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10 Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, 11 searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow.
1 Peter 1:10-11


Peter teaches us, it was the Spirit of Christ in the Old Testament prophets.

Example:

The burden of the word of the Lord against Israel. Thus says the Lord, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him: Zechariah 12:1

Christ Jesus is YHWH the Lord God.


Paul -

looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, Titus 2:13

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16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:

God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.
1 Timothy 3:16



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Read the text very carefully. It does not say that Jesus is the I AM. It does say that Jesus existed as God in the beginning. The I AM of the OT is God the Father.
 
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Not at all what you accuse others of that is what you are doing. The beam..
Did the Corinthian church commit sin?
How can you not be conscious of sin through the law placed in your heart and mind?

I know, pass on both points
 
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Did the Corinthian church commit sin?
How can you not be conscious of sin through the law placed in your heart and mind?

I know, pass on both points

I have already told you many times already I am happy to continue having a discussion with you if you agree to respond to my posts and the scriptures in them that disagree with you. So far you have declined my invitation and simply ingore my posts. If you agree not to do this and respond to my posts, I am happy to continue sharing God's WORD with you.

Do you accept my invitation now? YES/NO?
 
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I have already told you many times already I am happy to continue having a discussion with you if you agree to respond to my posts and the scriptures in them that disagree with you. So far you have declined my invitation and simply ingore my posts.

Do you accept my invitation now? YES/NO?
Standard response from LGW, as he cannot obviously address the scriptures that prove the two things he relentlessly states are false.
 
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Standard response from LGW, as he cannot obviously address the scriptures that prove the two things he relentlessly states are false.

So I guess that is a NO? You will continue to ignore the posts I send you and all the scriptures in them that disagree with you.

How did you expect to have a discussion if you cannot respond to scripture that disagrees with you and simply just repeat yourself? All that is doing is ignoring God's WORD.
 
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Yes I understand the Trinity. But you said that Jesus was the one who spoke to Moses on Mt Sinai. I was under the impression that it was The Father who spoke to Moses. I’m just wondering if there’s any biblical references that specify.
Two passages stand in the way of his thinking - John 1:17 and Galatians 3:19.
 
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So I guess that is a NO? You will continue to ignore the posts I send you and all the scriptures in them that disagree with you. How did you expect to have a discussion if you cannot respond to scripture that disagrees with you and simply just repeat yourself?
I admit to having a wry smile here. You have been quite happy to chat to me for a few days since you last gave your standard response. But when your error is proven, you simply roll it out once again.
You state no one who commits sin has been born of God, and is of the devil. You woodenly continually quote that verse. Yet we know, those considered Christians by Paul committed sin. Obviously you cannot address your erorrs, so we get the standard response for evasion
 
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I admit to having a wry smile here. You have been quite happy to chat to me for a few days since you last gave your standard response. But when your error is proven, you simply roll it out once again.
You state no one who commits sin has been born of God, and is of the devil. You woodenlyv contionually quote that verse. Yet we know, those considered Christians by Paul committed sin. Obviously you cannot address your erorrs, so we get the standard response for evasion

Ok my friend, maybe you can pray about the posts and the scriptures provided to you at home if you can't respond to them here. Let me know when you have some scripture to share. Time for me to leave bye for now :wave:
 
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Ok my friend, maybe you can pray about the posts and the scriptures provided to you at home if you can't respond to them here. Let me know when you have some scripture to share. Time for me to leave bye for now :wave:
Another standard response for evasion.
 
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Jesus Christ is YHWH, the Lord God of Israel.
No Jesus isn't the YHWH of Israel. See Galatians 3:19.
That was my point, with the scriptures.

Please understand this is who gave the children of Israel the 10 Commandments?
Marvelous idea.
I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.“You shall have no other gods before Me. Exodus 20:2-3


  • This is the Lord Jesus, before He became flesh, giving the 10 Commandments to Moses


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  • Here again is the Lord Jesus speaking to Moses from the burning bush, before He became flesh, and revealing His Name, I AM to him.


Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian. And he led the flock to the back of the desert, and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. 2 And the Angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush. So he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, but the bush was not consumed. 3 Then Moses said, “I will now turn aside and see this great sight, why the bush does not burn.”4 So when the Lord saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!”And he said, “Here I am.” 5 Then He said, “Do not draw near this place. Take your sandals off your feet, for the place where you stand is holy ground.” 6 Moreover He said, “I am the God of your father—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God.
Exodus 3:1-6





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For thus says the Lord,
Who created the heavens,
Who is God,
Who formed the earth and made it,
Who has established it,

Who did not create it in vain,
Who formed it to be inhabited:
“I am the Lord, and there is no other.
Isaiah 45:18



The burden of the word of the Lord against Israel. Thus says the Lord, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him:
10 “And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. Zechariah 12:1,10

  • then they will look on Me whom they pierced.


  • The New Testament is a revelation of Jesus Christ and who He is: The Lord God, YHWH.

The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob: The Lord God of Israel.


8 But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”

10 And: “You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of Your hands. Hebrews 1:8-10


  • But to the Son He says:... “You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of Your hands.

Compare to Zechariah -


  • The burden of the word of the Lord against Israel. Thus says the Lord, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him:
  • 10 “And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. Zechariah 12:1,10

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Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ,To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ: 2 Peter 1:1
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I understand your proof texts. They make Luke , John and Paul liars.
 
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The Angel of the Lord is The Son of God: YHWH, the Lord God.

So yes, It is relevant.


Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian. And he led the flock to the back of the desert, and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. 2 And the Angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush. So he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, but the bush was not consumed. 3 Then Moses said, “I will now turn aside and see this great sight, why the bush does not burn.”4 So when the Lord saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!”And he said, “Here I am.” 5 Then He said, “Do not draw near this place. Take your sandals off your feet, for the place where you stand is holy ground.” 6 Moreover He said, “I am the God of your father—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God.
Exodus 3:1-6




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Exodus 3:14
And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”

John 8:58
Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
Only false proof texts.
 
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John, under inspiration of the Holy Ghost/Spirit [2 Peter 1:21 KJB], recorded the words of Jesus himself in John 14:15 KJB, "love me, keep my commandments", of which Jesus cited Exodus 20:6 KJB, "love me, and keep my commandments", which are in the heart of the "ten commandments". In 1 John 2:7 KJB, we read of the "old commandment" which was "from the beginning" which was "the word" that was "heard". This is the same "word" in Deuteronomy 4:2 and Deuteronomy 5:5, see also Deuteronomy 8:3 KJB, then see Psalms 105:8; Psalms 119:11, Psalms 119:172; James 1:22; John 17:17; Matthew 4:4; Mark 7:13; Luke 4:4 KJB, etc., etc.
John 14:15 and 15:10 are the same statement about "my commandments." John 15:10 proves without doubt these "my commandments" aren't the the ten commandments. I also believe in the Sermon on the Mount Jesus is altering the famous ten with these phrases: " Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time..."
If you could please keep the short responses to a single reply using the quote feature, it would help me to actually address your questions all together, for if you are serious I can take the time to address your concerns, but if not and you desire to continue as you have, I will have to continue on to others.
I most usually use the quote feature and make direct responses to and about those quotes.
 
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John, under inspiration of the Holy Ghost/Spirit [2 Peter 1:21 KJB], recorded the words of Jesus himself in John 14:15 KJB, "love me, keep my commandments", of which Jesus cited Exodus 20:6 KJB, "love me, and keep my commandments", which are in the heart of the "ten commandments". In 1 John 2:7 KJB, we read of the "old commandment" which was "from the beginning" which was "the word" that was "heard". This is the same "word" in Deuteronomy 4:2 and Deuteronomy 5:5, see also Deuteronomy 8:3 KJB, then see Psalms 105:8; Psalms 119:11, Psalms 119:172; James 1:22; John 17:17; Matthew 4:4; Mark 7:13; Luke 4:4 KJB, etc., etc.
John 14:15 and 15:10 are the same statement about "my commandments." John 15:10 proves without doubt these "my commandments" aren't the the ten commandments. I also believe in the Sermon on the Mount Jesus is altering the famous ten with these phrases: " Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time.." and "But I say..."

Jesus also says: " For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven."

You need to explain how your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees when you go by the same rules.
If you could please keep the short responses to a single reply using the quote feature, it would help me to actually address your questions all together, for if you are serious I can take the time to address your concerns, but if not and you desire to continue as you have, I will have to continue on to others.
I most usually use the quote feature and make pointed responses.
 
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It is very simple. Your claim was ....



You were shown through a lot of scripture that Gods WORD says that God's 10 Commandments are ETERNAL and that God's Commands us in the 4th Commandment to keep the SEVENTH DAY (Saturday) as a HOLY DAY (NO WORK is to be done)
No what you've done is misapply Scripture.

POST # 228 SCRIPTURE PROVIDED linked click me.


Take the ABOVE and linked post and all the scriptures provided and as you have agreed already there is not one scripture in all of God's WORD that says God's 4th Commandment has been abolished as we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a HOLY DAY. Leads us to an easy conclusion..
Maybe he does, but I don't. Jeremiah 31:31-33 is a great example. The problem for a legalist is they require a statement similar to "Thou shalt not observe the 7th day sabbath."
 
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The OLD Testament scriptures that are the foundation of the NEW Testament. The NEW Testament is built on the Old Testament and together they are the Word of God which gives instruction to follow God. Everything in the NEW Testament builds on instruction already provided in the OLD Testament.
No where in the NT are we directed to follow the law.
As shown in the previous posts God Commands us in the 4th Commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) to REMEMBER the SEVENTH DAY of the week because he has set the SEVENTH DAY aside as a HOLY DAY where NO WORK is to be DONE on this day. The SEVENTH DAY of the week is to be set aside to REMEMBER and worship the GOD of CREATION. NO Bussiness, NO Shopping, NO buying or selling, NO uneccessary domestic work.
And who isn't supposed to work? Why is it you take advantage of people you condemn? Is this permitted by the law? Where? I need the passage.
As shown above God's LAW (ten Commandments) are eternal. There is not one scripture in all of God's WORD that says God's law has been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a HOLY DAY.

POST # 228 SCRIPTURE PROVIDED linked click me.

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In the NEW TESTAMENT.....

1. Jesus taught that it is lawful to do GOOD on the Sabbath? (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)

2. Jesus taught that God's Sabbath was made for mankind and not man for the Sabbath rebuking the tradtions of the Jew in regards to their traditions and interpretation around Sabbath keeping? (Mark 2:27-28; Matthew 12:8)

3. Jesus taught that he was the maker and creator of the Sabbath and the God of creation? (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27)

4. Jesus is our example who kept the Sabbath as well as all those who followed him (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)

5. Jesus taught that break God's Commandments and teach others to do so will not enter God's Kingdom? (Matt 5:19)

6. Jesus taught that not a jot or tittle will pass from God's LAW until heaven and earth pass away? (Matthew 5:18)

7. Jesus taught that on the two great commandments of LOVE to GOD and MAN hang ALL the LAW and the prophets (Matthew 22:36-40)

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Paul warns us that those who do NOT believe and follow GOD do not enter into God's Sabbath rest because of their SINS and UNBELIEF (Hebrews 3-4)

9. Jesus, Paul, James, John and Peter taught there is 10 Commandments including the Sabbath and not 9 commandments and if you break one of God's Commandments you stand guilty before God of breaking all of them (James 2:8-12).

10. Timothy teaches that ALL SCRIPTURE (OLD AND NEW Testament) is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16). Jesus teaches we are to live by EVERY WORD that proceeds out of the mouth of God (Matthew 4:4)

Why would Jesus and the Apostles give us further instruction in relation to Sabbath keeping building on the OLD TESTAMENET scriptures if we no longer need to keep it? (Point 1, 2, 3, 6)

SIN is the transgression or breaking of God's Commandments (Romans 7:7; James 2:8-12; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
If you want to take one idea at a time, I will respond. I'm generally not responding to everything in long posts. People's attention span won't allow it.
 
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But don't you see that is exactly what the Pharisees were screaming about. By Jesus using I Am regarding Himself, Jesus was claiming to be God.
Jesus isn't God the Father and never claimed to give the ten commandments.
 
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You are mixed up. God's 10 Commandments were the work of God alone and were written by God on two tables of stone and spoken by God himself to his people (Exodus 32:16; Exodus 20:1-17). It was not given by angels.

The scripture you refer to above is in reference to the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT written and spoken by MOSES not the 10 Commandments (Exod 24:3; Deut 31:9; 24-27; Acts 7:53; Gal 3:19)
The MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT contain the words of the stone tablets of which you'd know nothing about if Moses hadn't included them. You can't produce the stone tablets, let alone making them a stand alone feature of the law. You also can't make them applicable to everyone as an obligation when in fact they were only given to Israel as Moses says in Deuteronomy. That doesn't mean they also don't condemn everyone else. The real deal is they only condemn the wicked and aren't for the righteous (Christian) as 1 Timothy 1:9 states.

I'm now past my allotted time for the day.
 
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