The Only Way To True Humility !!

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Martin Luther said : You are never truly humbled until you are made to know that you have no part whatsoever in the salvation process : It is solely the work of God ! When you finally truly understand this fact : You are only then truly humbled ! This is something that can only be done by God ! Because if you still think you can do it , you are not yet truly humbled ! Phil 2(13), Heb 12(2), Rom 9(20&21), Phil 1(6).
I'm not sure I believe this to always be authentic humility, at least not in Luther's case. It comes off as a bit contrived or intellectual rather than the real heart-felt thing, but maybe I'm wrong, maybe that's not fair. In any case humility leads us to acknowledge our need for God, for communion with Him, in order to live, in order to have the real peace and happiness that we long for. It's a turning to Him. Humility, as our response to grace, is the key to God's kingdom as it opposes and defeats the pride that itself opposes God, the pride that Adam initiated into our world. It takes humility to have faith, especially a faith that involves or leads to hope in, and most importantly love for, God.
 
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RE: "humility" / "humble"

I humbly submit the following research. That's where I start.
Next Steps: spiritually discern the TRUTHS there and apply them to your life.

"humility"...not unfairly glorifying one's own self?
HUMILITY: the quality or state of being humble (dictionary)
Synonyms: demureness, down-to-earthness, humbleness, lowliness, meekness, modesty

"humility"
occurs 10 times in 10 verses in the NASB

Proverbs 15:33
Proverbs 18:12
Proverbs 22:4
Zephaniah 2:3
Acts 20:19
Ephesians 4:2
Philipians 2:3
Colosians 3:12
James 1:21
1 Peter 5:5

"humble"
occurs 49 times in 48 verses in the NASB

A Few:

2 Chronicles 7:14...the Reagan prayer

Proverbs 11:2...pride vs the humble

Proverbs 29:23

1 Peter 5:6...
Therefore humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you at the proper time,

Here's my favorites:

Philipians 2:3...Philippians 2 (NASB)...Believers: Be Like Christ
Do nothing from selfishness or empty conceit,
but with humility of mind
regard one another as more important than yourselves;

1 Peter 5:5...1 Peter 5 (NASB)...Serve God Willingly
You younger men, likewise, be subject to your elders;
and all of you, clothe yourselves with humility toward "one another",(fellow believers)
for "God is opposed to the proud, but gives grace to the humble."

Proverbs 22:4(NASB)...Proverbs 22 ....On Life and Conduct

The reward of humility and the fear of the Lord
Are riches, honor and life.

From Catholic (RCC) teachings:

#7 HUMILITY (Humilitas) ....Bravery, modesty, reverence, altruism
OPPOSES: g. PRIDE (Superbia)
MEANING: Modest behavior, selflessness, and the giving of respect.
Humility is not thinking less of yourself, it is thinking of yourself less.
It is a spirit of self-examination;
a hermeneutic of suspicion toward yourself and charity toward people you disagree with.
The courage of the heart necessary to undertake tasks which are difficult, tedious or unglamorous,
and to graciously accept the sacrifices involved.
Reverence for those who have wisdom and those who selflessly teach in love.
Giving credit where credit is due;
not unfairly glorifying one's own self.
Being faithful to promises, no matter how big or small they may be.
Refraining from despair and the ability to confront fear and uncertainty, or intimidation.

PRIDE:...the antithesis of HUMILITY?...one of the 7 "DEADLY SINS"!
E.g....Mark 7: 20-23 (NASB)...Jesus: The Natural "heart" / Tendancies of Man...ONE of them is Pride.
Pride was the "sin" that separated the "top" angel Lucifer from God.
Satan "thought" / willed that he could be a spirit-being superior to God..."I will rise above..."

"PRIDE"
occurs 55 times in 51 verses in the NASB
A couple..

Proverbs 16:18
Pride goes before destruction,
And a haughty spirit before stumbling.

1 John 2: 15-17...Do Not Love the World
Do not love the world nor the things in the world.
If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and
the boastful PRIDE of life,
is not from the Father, but is from the world.
The world is passing away, and also its lusts;
but the one who does the will of God lives forever.
 
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I'm not sure I believe this to always be authentic humility, at least not in Luther's case. It comes off as a bit contrived or intellectual rather than the real heart-felt thing, but maybe I'm wrong, maybe that's not fair. In any case humility leads us to acknowledge our need for God, for communion with Him, in order to live, in order to have the real peace and happiness that we long for. It's a turning to Him. Humility, as our response to grace, is the key to God's kingdom as it opposes and defeats the pride that itself opposes God, the pride that Adam initiated into our world. It takes humility to have faith, especially a faith that involves or leads to hope in, and most importantly love for, God.
You are almost there : you must understand that it is all God and nothing of ourselves : you are not there yet : you still think there is a part that you must do : you are still touting mans works!
 
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You are almost there : you must understand that it is all God and nothing of ourselves : you are not there yet : you still think there is a part that you must do : you are still touting mans works!
No, it's both/and. God needs us for nothing-and yet He actually covets our participation. That's what this whole thing is about, the reason for allowing man to fall, as Adam willed wrongly, and the work God's done historically both in the world and in ourselves to draw us into willing rightly, without forcing us, and rising again.
 
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Could anybody do a better job then God? You should be very happy that it is God!
So why have man? He's not contributing anything, just using up oxygen. Let's just have one of the godhead doing all the good deeds, and the other exalting Him! So effective! So efficient! So perfect!
 
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You said it : Eph 1(11): Still true no matter how many times I quote it !!
John, not to try to move you away from your one verse Theology but have you considered:

Ezekiel 18:23: "Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign Lord. Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?" Matthew 23:37: "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing." Jesus died for the "whole world" (1 John 2:2); "all" (2 Cor. 5:15); "every man" (Heb. 2:9) the Church's gates are wide open to "everyone who calls" (Rom. 10:13), to "him who is thirsty" (Rev. 21:6), to "all you who are weary and burdened" (Matt. 11:28). The invitation to believe, be baptized and enter the Church extends to "every tribe and language and people and nation" (Rev. 5:9). Paul did not see himself as already having attained salvation (Phil. 3:10-12) and so he pressed forward. In the meantime, he recognized that he was to keep control of his body, lest he himself should be disqualified (1 Cor. 9:27). Paul said you are saved "If you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel" (v.23). Paul makes it clear the salvation is not just for a few in Rom. 11:11,14,23,24. 1 John 2:2, states that "He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world." (James 5:19-20) states "My brethren, if any among you strays from the truth and one turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins. "


You might want to ask yourself a few questions:

If God has already elected those who are going to heaven, then why evangelize, seek to be saved, or even follow God's path?

If God predestined everything, then there is no use in praying for your friends or family is there?

If man is totally incapable of good, then man cannot truly be remorseful or repentant. If man is totally incapable of good, then man cannot be faulted for his sins.

If God predestined everything, then why eternally condemn the non-elect? After all, it is not their fault.. they were predestined to be damned!

And in conclusion:
1 Timothy 2:4 God wants everyone to be saved and to fully understand the truth. 5 There is only one God, and there is only one way that people can reach God. That way is through Christ Jesus, who as a man 6 gave himself to pay for everyone to be free.
 
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So why have man? He's not contributing anything, just using up oxygen. Let's just have one of the godhead doing all the good deeds, and the other exalting Him! So effective! So efficient! So perfect!
Man is in training right now : He is not yet ready to take on responsibiltiy : his time will come after his training is completed by God : Patience : In the future we will rule and reign with Christ : But we are not ready yet : He which began the work will continue it unto the day of Christ : You may think you are ready , but I assure you , you are not!
 
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John, not to try to move you away from your one verse Theology but have you considered:

Ezekiel 18:23: "Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign Lord. Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?" Matthew 23:37: "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing." Jesus died for the "whole world" (1 John 2:2); "all" (2 Cor. 5:15); "every man" (Heb. 2:9) the Church's gates are wide open to "everyone who calls" (Rom. 10:13), to "him who is thirsty" (Rev. 21:6), to "all you who are weary and burdened" (Matt. 11:28). The invitation to believe, be baptized and enter the Church extends to "every tribe and language and people and nation" (Rev. 5:9). Paul did not see himself as already having attained salvation (Phil. 3:10-12) and so he pressed forward. In the meantime, he recognized that he was to keep control of his body, lest he himself should be disqualified (1 Cor. 9:27). Paul said you are saved "If you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel" (v.23). Paul makes it clear the salvation is not just for a few in Rom. 11:11,14,23,24. 1 John 2:2, states that "He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world." (James 5:19-20) states "My brethren, if any among you strays from the truth and one turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins. "


You might want to ask yourself a few questions:

If God has already elected those who are going to heaven, then why evangelize, seek to be saved, or even follow God's path?

If God predestined everything, then there is no use in praying for your friends or family is there?

If man is totally incapable of good, then man cannot truly be remorseful or repentant. If man is totally incapable of good, then man cannot be faulted for his sins.

If God predestined everything, then why eternally condemn the non-elect? After all, it is not their fault.. they were predestined to be damned!

And in conclusion:
1 Timothy 2:4 God wants everyone to be saved and to fully understand the truth. 5 There is only one God, and there is only one way that people can reach God. That way is through Christ Jesus, who as a man 6 gave himself to pay for everyone to be free.
Paul explains all this in Romans 9 !
 
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No, it's both/and. God needs us for nothing-and yet He actually covets our participation. That's what this whole thing is about, the reason for allowing man to fall, as Adam willed wrongly, and the work God's done historically both in the world and in ourselves to draw us into willing rightly, without forcing us, and rising again.
Not there yet !
 
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I'm not sure I believe this to always be authentic humility, at least not in Luther's case. It comes off as a bit contrived or intellectual rather than the real heart-felt thing, but maybe I'm wrong, maybe that's not fair. In any case humility leads us to acknowledge our need for God, for communion with Him, in order to live, in order to have the real peace and happiness that we long for. It's a turning to Him. Humility, as our response to grace, is the key to God's kingdom as it opposes and defeats the pride that itself opposes God, the pride that Adam initiated into our world. It takes humility to have faith, especially a faith that involves or leads to hope in, and most importantly love for, God.
To take no credit for anything is true humility : it is human nature to want to take credit for something !
 
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If God is the source of all my good works then if I do not do a good work should God be blamed as being responsible for my failure to act? Am I not responsible for those things that I do or fail to do since I have free will? God through His word and the Holy Spirit is going to guide me but I have the ultimate responsibility for my actions. You cannot separate responsibility from credit or blame. Blessings
Romans 8(22): God deliberately put us in these fallible bodies, subject to sin, mistakes , etc : To deliberately educate us through trial and error , for our deliberate spiritual growth !! So of course God is responsible for the good and bad in our lives but he works it all out for the good : Rom 8(28) !!!
 
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Man is in training right now : He is not yet ready to take on responsibiltiy : his time will come after his training is completed by God : Patience : In the future we will rule and reign with Christ : But we are not ready yet : He which began the work will continue it unto the day of Christ : You may think you are ready , but I assure you , you are not!
So by your logic, Peter and Paul are both runners, both are but vessels for God to act through, yet one loses and another wins?

1 Corinthians 9:24
Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way as to take the prize.
 
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So by your logic, Peter and Paul are both runners, both are but vessels for God to act through, yet one loses and another wins?

1 Corinthians 9:24
Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one receives the prize? Run in such a way as to take the prize.
I think both Paul and Peter were elect : so they both win : all God's elect win solely by the power of God !
 
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Romans 8(22): God deliberately put us in these fallible bodies, subject to sin, mistakes , etc : To deliberately educate us through trial and error , for our deliberate spiritual growth !! So of course God is responsible for the good and bad in our lives but he works it all out for the good : Rom 8(28) !!!
O.K. John enough games. You want to make God responsible for all the good and evil that man does. That would be an ideal belief for someone that wants to do all possible evil since he could then simply blame God and take no responsibility for himself. Is that what you think Jesus wants?
 
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The text says only one wins the prize. So is it God or Peter or Paul?
You are a true Pharisee : you just love arguing : strain at a gnat and swallow a camel is your motto : you are not a true seeker of God's truth but just an arguer so I will not cast any more pearls to you!
 
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You are a true Pharisee : you just love arguing : strain at a gnat and swallow a camel is your motto : you are not a true seeker of God's truth but just an arguer so I will not cast any more pearls to you!

Matthew 23
23“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others. 24“You blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!

Again, quoting Scripture out of context. Straining at a gnat is used to rebuke people who nit picked stuff like handwashing, and ignored loving your neighbour. They changed the topic when it became uncomfortable, choosing to discuss minor rules. Jesus told them to observe the important issues without neglecting the lesser issues. I haven't changed the subject.

There's a reason for being precise:

Matthew 12
36But I tell you that for every careless word that men shall speak they will be held accountable on the day of Judgement.

You yourself don't enter the Kingdom and block others from entering. Not even close to being a blessing to the world. He never knew you.
 
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