Racial supremacy and separatism is correct and wise and good

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I see no Biblical evidence for this. Paul clearly argues that the work of Christ functions to break down any distinction between Jew and Gentile.

There will be 'greatest' and 'least' in the kingdom. Israel will comprise the leadership. The 144,000 will be sealed and apparently protected during the tribulation. The apostles will sit on thrones, with Christ, judging the tribes of Israel. The whole church isn't the 'bride', just Israel. Gentile converts are the wedding guests. So indeed Israel has a favored place in the kingdom.
 
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The seed of Cain is spiritual in a sense. No doubt Satan gives his children much knowledge of the known world. It was from Cain’s lineage that we got cities, musical instruments, warfare and metatcrafts, cosmetics? But it’s was Seths faithful line that deemed acceptable to God. We are called to live by Faith and preech the Gospel.
 
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You just have to know what the races involved are....and they are not the usual ones (Matthew 23:9) (Matthew 12:46-50) (Galatians 3:28) (1 Peter 2:9) ;)

There are two races in this world. The children of Satan (John 8:44), which is a race we are all born into and which is defined by Sin (ie: by rebellion against God). And the Children of God (John 1:12), which is a race that we can become if God, in an act of His grace, puts faith in our hearts (Ephesians 2:8-9).

This racial supremacy and separatism is inherently exclusive and elitist; no space here for your 'inclusivity' and non-judgementalism. It sharply divides the superior sheep and wheat from the inferior goats, tares, and chaff, and utterly condemns the latter. (2 Corinthians 6:17) (Matthew 13:24-30) (Matthew 25:31-46) (John 3:18). Christ brings a sword (Matthew 10:34-36)

If you are not a Christian racial supremacist and separatist, you have some explaining to do... ;)

Be careful with your wording here. I understand what you might be getting at but your word choice (and perhaps your thinking) can both be very dangerous.

These exact same concepts are close to what is used by the Nazis and the KKK to justify their actions towards people different than themselves.
 
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Only if they did not actually read what I'd said though...and we really cannot cater to such people. :scratch:

I am also pointing out genuine truths that people do often ignore; that Christianity IS exclusive, exclusionary, elitist, divisive, judgemental, etc, and rightly so.

I think today that too often people are scared of those terms but they truly are what Christianity is and we need to not lose sight of that in a wave of fluffiness.

You have just listed the exact traits of the people that Jesus called sons of the Devil... and attributed those qualities to Christ.

The very people that agreed with your verbiage in Jesus’ day condemned Him to death.

What people may consider Christianity... as a man made following of Jesus... could easily agree with you... while biblical Acts 11:26 style Christianity most certainly does not and Christ Himself would not only rebuke you for what you are saying... but already has in Matthew 23.
 
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“Racial supremacy and separatism is correct and wise and good”

@Inkfingers , you intentionally chose this controversial title to convey your message...

But in no way are you correct...

You’re binding yourself to what Galatians lists as fruits of the flesh and are calling it fruits of the Spirit.

John 3:16 and 1 John 2:2 have you in direct biblical checkmate.

The Good Samaritan as told by Jesus is proof enough that Jesus rejects your ideology and contaminated message.

Jews distinguished themselves from Samaritans and Jesus ripped that separatist mentality right off their smirking faces with every Word... He, The Word, Spoke.
 
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while it is true that those who are in Christ are in much greater position than those who are not, and that we are in certain situations not to avail ourselves to those who would lead us astray(2 Corinthians 6:14-18), our response to the lost should be compassion and charity, not contempt.
 
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as a parent to a child considered a minority, a nonCaucasian, I find it confusing the use of the word race in your title as well as the words "racial supremacy"
I agree with you. This post needs to clarify what is the statement that it is trying to make.
Only if they did not actually read what I'd said though...and we really cannot cater to such people. :scratch:

I am also pointing out genuine truths that people do often ignore; that Christianity IS exclusive, exclusionary, elitist, divisive, judgemental, etc, and rightly so.

I think today that too often people are scared of those terms but they truly are what Christianity is and we need to not lose sight of that in a wave of fluffiness.

You need to clarify your statement as it is confusing and discriminatory. Therefore, it does not represent God and the gospel accurately. The Christianity that I know is inclusive, open to all, it does not discriminate (gender, economic background, race, etc,). Perhaps, what you have experience is Religion, which is based on works and allows room for your description. You cannot make your experience a doctrine. I pray for you to find the revelation of Jesus as an equalizer, full of grace, love and mercy for all.
Also, I hope you watch this clip:
A House Divided Cannot Stand: Understanding and Overcoming the Inconsistencies in White Evangelicals on Racial Issues
 
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I find the idea in the OP to be directly in opposition to Paul's teaching in Corinthians. I like his letters because you could almost imagine Paul standing before an assembly of men, even though he wasn't, commanding the crowds reaction with his words, getting resounding applause as he spoke.

He starts out by calling them out on their hypocrisy:

1 Corinthians 15:12 NASB
Now if Christ is preached, that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?

You can kind of imagine, the orator reading his letter to the assembly and a low grumble silences the room at this point. Then comes the contradiction:

1 Corinthians 15:13-14 NASB
But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised; [14] and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain.

He then goes on the tell them that in such a case they would be false witnesses to God and stuck in sin anyways. Paul continues on for awhile, describing (IMHO) both the spiritual and physical attributes of the resurrection. Then Paul fires a joke out, and I can imagine the hall, as this is read, breaking out in a mixture of laughter and disagreement:

1 Corinthians 15:29-31 NASB
Otherwise, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why then are they baptized for them? [30] Why are we also in danger every hour? [31] I affirm, brethren, by the boasting in you which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.

For me this hearkens right back to the idea that we all die in Adam (which he references only a few verses later) and Paul is saying to them, flat out, do the dead not rise? And he is relating it hand and hand with our relationship to our sin, and the point he is making is that if we cannot be raised from the dead (given another chance, so to speak) then what point is there in being baptized by the Spirit? Why are you even in danger, if your fate is sealed. To which he later states:


1 Corinthians 15:31-32 NASB
I affirm, brethren, by the boasting in you which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily. [32] If from human motives I fought with wild beasts at Ephesus, what does it profit me? If the dead are not raised, let US EAT AND DRINK, FOR TOMORROW WE DIE.

Then, the part which I love, because I see this in direct correlation with my personal experience, and hear it often from others I talk to, Paul says (again, relating the spiritual to the act of the physical resurrection)

1 Corinthians 15:35-38 NASB
But someone will say, "How are the dead raised? And with what kind of body do they come?" [36] You fool! That which you sow does not come to life unless it dies; [37] and that which you sow, you do not sow the body which is to be, but a bare grain, perhaps of wheat or of something else. [38] But God gives it a body just as He wished, and to each of the seeds a body of its own.

1 Corinthians 15:39-41 NASB
All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one flesh of men, and another flesh of beasts, and another flesh of birds, and another of fish. [40] There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is one, and the glory of the earthly is another. [41] There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory.

I mean this just is from the rooftops kind of stuff. If you went to Roman's and read something like "God shows no partiality." then wanted a to see it drawn out, there it is. Each seed, each creature, even the heavenly bodies and the stars all have different bodies, and amounts of glory, and yet to Paul it seems to be to him, in the Gospel of Christ, that God cares no less for either, and anyone who says otherwise is still in their sin.

1 Corinthians 15:43-49 NASB
it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; [44] it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. [45] So also it is written, "The first man, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. [46] However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual. [47] The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven. [48] As is the earthy, so also are those who are earthy; and as is the heavenly, so also are those who are heavenly. [49] Just as we have borne the image of the earthy, we will also bear the image of the heavenly.

I would continue on to speak about Matthew, but I will quote only a few verses, since after all, the Gospel is bursting at the seams with God's love, which in my opinion, is too often turned into hate, iniquity, and wickedness;

Matthew 25:4,41-46 NASB
but the prudent took oil in flasks along with their lamps. [41] "Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; [42] for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink; [43] I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.' [44] Then they themselves also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?' [45] Then He will answer them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.' [46] These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
 
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Utter tosh. The absolute core is telling people to choose God not Satan.

It's no wonder that Christianity is fading in this world, and apostasy growing, if people are teaching this untruth.

Call no one father but God.

1 Peter 2:9
- "an elect RACE". eklektos GENOS
- a "holy nation". Hagios Ethnos.

Those who are born again are made into a new people. They are no longer children of Adam but are children of God instead. (John 1:12-13).

I don't know what you are preaching, but it's not in my Bible. If you want to critique me, read your flipping Bible instead of spooning untrue pop-culture-Jesus at me.

Thanks for twisting the implication of that one sentence taken out of context.

Sorry but I have studied the Bible and the various theologies for over 20 years and in fact started out as a vehement Calvinist. So okay have it your way as for Adam, biologically he is the one genetic source of us all (satisfied? Though I am sure you also do or have uses the term "father" generically as well...at least in referring to your earthly dad!

Your point of inferring "genos" as "race" was quite creative for this Greek word translated "race" in English Bibles is more akin to genetic lineage or a line of kinship, and in classical Greek it can refer to two different lines of stock among the very same Greek peoples. In fact in its relative Indian usage it can be referring to members of the same two parent's offspring (depending on how light or dark their skin tone is).

But you full well know what "racial separatism" means in the mind and ears of the modern western hearer (and you worded it this way on purpose) and it is this vile and corrupt evil that I was addressing.

Oh and by the way I know we are a new people in Christ Jesus and I am one, and it is because of that that "racism" of any kind or variety offends me because it offends the Spirit of Christ that lives in me.
 
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You are confusing races with spiritual groups. There is only one race -- the human race -- and within it are two separate and distinct spiritual groups: (1) the children of God and (2) the children of the devil.

Amen and he obfuscates like this on purpose...but thanks Micah, you know this you have said is of God (he knows what "race" implies, trust me...this was his intent). Pray for him.
 
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You just have to know what the races involved are....and they are not the usual ones (Matthew 23:9) (Matthew 12:46-50) (Galatians 3:28) (1 Peter 2:9) ;)

There are two races in this world. The children of Satan (John 8:44), which is a race we are all born into and which is defined by Sin (ie: by rebellion against God). And the Children of God (John 1:12), which is a race that we can become if God, in an act of His grace, puts faith in our hearts (Ephesians 2:8-9).

This racial supremacy and separatism is inherently exclusive and elitist; no space here for your 'inclusivity' and non-judgementalism. It sharply divides the superior sheep and wheat from the inferior goats, tares, and chaff, and utterly condemns the latter. (2 Corinthians 6:17) (Matthew 13:24-30) (Matthew 25:31-46) (John 3:18). Christ brings a sword (Matthew 10:34-36)

If you are not a Christian racial supremacist and separatist, you have some explaining to do... ;)

I politely disagree my friend. How can we bring the gospel to those who are not saved if we are separatists? Jesus and the apostles were not separatists. They ate with and mentored nonbelievers often and their relationship with the nonbelievers brought them to Christ.
 
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The Church is for sinners, not the already saved. Jesus ministered to sinners because that is what He came here for.

He didn't condemn the sinners; He called them to sin no more. He didn't tolerate the self-righteous, He warned them of their coming destruction.
 
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By & large, I agree. Grace is available for those who come for it and that included the tax collectors and any other sinners and evangelism is great and the opportunity for salvation always remains open. But in this dark age, fewer and fewer are coming and they are not our brothers. And although we are in this world and have to deal with unbelievers every day and get along with them, there remains a great divide between them and us.

I accept everyone believer and nonbeliever as my brothers and sisters. Just because they are misled doesn’t mean they can’t be saved. A healthy person doesn’t need a doctor. Sick people do. Love your enemies. We should be a light to others who are still in darkness, planting seeds of knowledge and spreading God’s word and showing His glory. Don’t separate yourself from those who don’t believe. Allow the Holy Spirit to work thru you so that others can be saved also. It’s not us against them, it’s us trying to help them understand. If they reject it then let it be. It’s not up to us to make the seeds grow. Our job is simply to plant them. It’s between them and the Holy Spirit whether they grow or not.
 
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You just have to know what the races involved are....and they are not the usual ones (Matthew 23:9) (Matthew 12:46-50) (Galatians 3:28) (1 Peter 2:9) ;)

There are two races in this world. The children of Satan (John 8:44), which is a race we are all born into and which is defined by Sin (ie: by rebellion against God). And the Children of God (John 1:12), which is a race that we can become if God, in an act of His grace, puts faith in our hearts (Ephesians 2:8-9).

This racial supremacy and separatism is inherently exclusive and elitist; no space here for your 'inclusivity' and non-judgementalism. It sharply divides the superior sheep and wheat from the inferior goats, tares, and chaff, and utterly condemns the latter. (2 Corinthians 6:17) (Matthew 13:24-30) (Matthew 25:31-46) (John 3:18). Christ brings a sword (Matthew 10:34-36)

If you are not a Christian racial supremacist and separatist, you have some explaining to do... ;)


Those are my neighbors. So
get with the program:
What Does the Bible Say About How To Treat Your Neighbor?
 
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Your attempt to turn it into what is known as "race" today is simply wrong and pretty much bordering heresy, when scripture says "there is neither Jew nor Gentile in Christ."

I have done no such thing.

Others have by not bothering to read and take in what the OP says (including the linked Bible quotes), but have instead simply reacted for a personal position.
 
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You need to clarify your statement as it is confusing and discriminatory. Therefore, it does not represent God and the gospel accurately. The Christianity that I know is inclusive, open to all, it does not discriminate (gender, economic background, race, etc,).

Really?

Which part exactly of "You just have to know what the races involved are....and they are not the usual ones (Matthew 23:9) (Matthew 12:46-50) (Galatians 3:28) (1 Peter 2:9) ;)" is open to misunderstanding in the manner you describe?

I get the feeling that people are reacting with emotion and not seeing past that to read the actual words. Maybe people should consider that...?
 
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Either way my friend, quoting a handful of verses and forming a viewpoint is an irresponsible way to make an argument from scripture. The Gospel only sings in its entirety, not in pieces, and self-righteousness, or haughtiness no matter your position on the doctrine is something the Lord hates.

Are you implying that you were being sarcastic? I love them, but will never agree with any Christian who attempts to use the word of the Lord to make oneself better than another. The OT teaches that, the NT teaches that, Christ teaches that, our God, teaches that.

We already have enough fools standing on street corners telling people, who are minding their business, that they are hell bound sinners. We have enough preachers in the world who love the attention, or the money, or the status. They dont love those they teach, they love their reflection in a mirror. As Christ would say, "They have their reward."

Matthew 23:23-24 NASB
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others. [24] You blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!
 
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Exactly what is irresponsible about "You just have to know what the races involved are....and they are not the usual ones (Matthew 23:9) (Matthew 12:46-50) (Galatians 3:28) (1 Peter 2:9)"?

Because you are taking handfuls of verses out of context respective of the chapters they reside in. Do you do that with other books? Do you take a sentence out of a chapter of Harry Potter and say "This is what the whole book is about," irrespective of the rest? Similarly do you take chapters out of a book and only read those chapters? Do you have no view on the grander narrative, or do you simply like to pick and choose?

Your next defense will be "Well the Apostles did it." Sure, they did quote small portions of scripture, but in what context? Everywhere I turn in the NT I see the apostles carefully laying out the events related to their quotations. Jesus himself never quotes scripture without context. Doing what you are doing would be similar to a college student using a single sentence from Wikipedia to post a thesis.

That is the whole point of the metaphor: Strain out a gnat, swallow a camel.

I mean think this through, there were American priests who used the scripture to justify slavery. Straining out a gnat, to swallow a camel.
 
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Because you are taking handfuls of verses out of context respective of the chapters they reside in.

Nope. I'm taking them in full context, saying they are not speaking of the races we commonly think of today, but which do all the same posit two races (and that we are either one or the other - one being superior over the other).

You may not like that, but to try to wriggle about it being out of context is just empty.
 
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