COL 2:14-17 The REAL truth from God's Word

Marco70 said:

We can easily prove the law God desires you to follow, that was written on tablets of stone is now in your heart. ... [citing 2 Corinthians 3:3]

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Indeed. Same exact law, including the 4th Commandment, along with the specificity of the holy 7th day the Sabbath of the LORD thy God. No difference except location and ministratrion.

As the law God desires you tollow that was written in stone is now in your mind and heart, you must have heartfelt conviction of sin if you wilfully transgress the law placed within you, if you have no conviction of sin therefore concerning not following a seventh day Sabbath, either that law as written was not placed in your mind and heart or you cannot be a Christian. Basic spiritual truth

Marco70 said:

As the law God desires you tollow that was written in stone is now in your mind and heart, you must have heartfelt conviction of sin if you wilfully transgress the law placed within you, if you have no conviction of sin therefore concerning not following a seventh day Sabbath, either that law as written was not placed in your mind and heart or you cannot be a Christian. Basic spiritual truth

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Or a person is so hardened in their rebellion to a single commandment of God [Romans 8:7 KJB], when shown to them, when light comes to them and reject it, which is sin [1 John 3:4 KJB], that they refuse that which is written, and "hold the truth in unrighteousness", and they deceive themselves and attempt to lead others into their rebellion, so as to appear not in error [self-justification]:
What was Truth Jesus? Psalms 119:142,151 KJB, etc.

Why did the wrath come upon Jesus and was revealed? Because He took upon himself the sins of the world to destroy the works of the devil, which was transgression of God's Holy and Eternal Law.

Its amazing. SDA relentlessly state(correctly) sin is the transgression of the law. They also(correctly) relentlessly state: Through the law we become conscious of sin. But now, they have to scurry around desperately trying to find scripture to reason against what they previously relentlessly preached.

Marco70 said:

Its amazing. SDA relentlessly state(correctly) sin is the transgression of the law. They also(correctly) relentlessly state: Through the law we become conscious of sin. But now, they have to scurry around desperately trying to find scripture to reason against what they previously relentlessly preached.

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Is it sin to transgress the 4th Commandment and not keep the 7th day the Sabbath holy as specified in Exodus 20:8-11 KJB, yes/no? This one is simple Marco70.

Every Christian should know, through the law we become conscious of sin. Therefore, if anyone has no conviction they sin by failing to observe a set Saturday Sabbath, how can sda accept them as christians if they understand the core foundation upon which the NC stands?

Yet they do accept such people as Christians. They also passionately believe the law God requires you to follow is written in your mind and placed on your heart, and through the law you become conscious of sin.
Clearly no understanding of the NC, though they can reel off the letter at will. As people could 2000 years ago who also didn't understand the message the letter contained.

Therefore, if it is sin to not observe a set Saturday Sabbath, every born again Christian would have to be convicted that was so. So if you are not convicted it is sin if you fai lto observe a set Saturday Sabbath, either God did not write that law as written in your heart and place it on your mind, or you cannot be in a saved/born again state.
Simple really

Marco70 said:

Every Christian should know, through the law we become conscious of sin. Therefore, if anyone has no conviction they sin by failing to observe a set Saturday Sabbath...

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It is possible to no longer be convicted after a certain time Marco70, after light has come, and it is refused and refused. Then the Holy Ghost has been blasphemed, for it was He that was to write the Ten Commandments upon the heart, as He wrote the Ten Commandments in stone, for He is called "the finger of God" [Exodus 8:19, Exodus 31:18; Deuteronomy 9:10, Deuteronomy 33:2; Luke 11:20; Matthew 12:28 KJB]

It's simple really, a child should be able to understand my previous post, but, those who rely on interpreting the greek, those who think they know much(1Cor8:2) those who believe they have a good academic mind to learn(1cor3:18-20) will probably not understand it

I, along with the majority have NEVER BEEN CONVICTED to observe a set seventh day Sabbath. As some might try desperately to reason away the core foundation upon which the NC stands

Marco70 said:

It's simple really, a child should be able to understand my previous post, but, those who rely on interpreting the greek, those who think they know much(1Cor8:2) those who believe they have a good academic mind to learn(1cor3:18-20) will probably not understand it

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Eventually the voice of conviction of sin [1 John 3:4 KJB] grows cold, distant and finally and inevitably eternally silent as it has for Lucifer.

He thinks to "change times and laws" of the Most High through his agency - Daniel 7:25 KJB. The Sabbath is both Time and Law. God said:


God's law says:


God will give up, for though He is longsuffering, He will not wait forever, as He loves you and others too much to do so.

Marco70 said:

I, along with the majority have NEVER BEEN CONVICTED to observe a set seventh day Sabbath. As some might try desperately to reason away the core foundation upon which the NC stands

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"majority" ... "broad is the way", "many there be which go in thereat"

Speaking honestly(and I am being honest) I visited an sda church once to please a friend. I actually went with an open mind, I truly did. But I soon became greatly disturbed. People laughing as they took the Lords name in vain, without a care in the world. How can you do that if the law is within you? Affairs, the like of which I have never seen in any other church I have ever frequented.
One poor women told me she desperately wanted to get out of all the affairs but didn't know how. I told her she could, if she obeyed the message and died to the law. She laughed and insisted we must obey the TC to attain to heaven. When I asked her why she went to church if that was the case due to her lifestyle, she responded:
All sin is equal and no one is perfect.

Marco70 said:

Speaking honestly(and I am being honest) I visited an sda church once to please a friend. I actually went with an open mind, I truly did. But I soon became greatly disturbed. People laughing as they took the Lords name in vain, without a care in the world. How can you do that if the law is within you? Affairs, the like of which I have never seen in any other church I have ever frequented.....

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Why judge God's perfect Law, His perfect righteousness and the 4th Commandment the 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD when God told you that there would be tares? That some are unfaithful, does not make God or His Law unfaithful. It doesn't make Gods' promise of none effect.

Of course, if you have never been convicted of sin concerning failing to observe a set seventh day Sabbath your heart could not have been hardened over time could it!
Of course, people must follow the commandment that means more to them than anything else:

Thou shalt not admit to error.

So, anything must be written in an attempt to cling to misguided beliefs

Those who continually preach law, do not practice what they preach. I have asked both main sda protaganists in this thread if they even try to obey each and every literal command of Christ. I suppose credit where credit is due, both of them refused to answer/they din't actually lie. However, they will happily quote Jesus words:

If you love me obey my commandments

Marco70 said:

...Thou shalt not admit to error....

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I have never claimed infallibility, and as far as I know, neither has bro BobRyan, nor LoveGod'sWord, etc. Show me/us where I/we erred?

Here is what Gods' word says about "error":

The truth of the NC is, the law is in your heart and mind. You in your heart want to obey what has been placed there. You cannot hide from what has been placed in your most inward parts. You are only too acutely aware of your shortcomings concerning that law. Many give up with Christianity, due to their shortcomings, believing they cannot be good enough for God, it is tragic. And when some of these poor souls are at their most despondant due to their imperfections, people come along and tell them if they commit sin they must be placed in an unsaved state. Hardly loving is it, or compassionate. And many they preach to, simply have a trusting nature, and would never dream the people telling them this do not practice what they preach/demand of others.

Marco70 said:

The truth of the NC is, the law is in your heart and mind. You in your heart want to obey what has been placed there. You cannot hide from what has been placed in your most inward parts. ...

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A person can hold it [truth [as the Law and commandments are; Psalms 119:142,151 KJB] written in/on the heart] in unrighteousness - Romans 1:18 KJB.

Marco70 said:

...I have asked both main sda protaganists in this thread if they even try to obey each and every literal command of Christ....

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Let's start with this one:


Do you Marcos70 wash the feet of the brethren? [I am actually curious to know].