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Ironically enough, I get rather irritated when asking about the sin of anger, mainly because I have a hard time getting an objective answer. And in case anyone is wondering, I have for the most calmed down from my anger issues earlier, but I still haven't fully recovered.

Anyways, I really want an objective answer to the question of when is anger mortally sinful. So far, I have gathered this much, anger is mortally sinful when one kills or seriously injures someone, or thinks about killing or seriously injuring someone. Anger also becomes mortally sinful when one seeks to spiritually injure or kill another person, (like committing scandal) thinks about spiritually killing someone, (like wishing the person was damned) or by outright blasphemy. That's my understanding of when anger becomes mortally sinful, if I've gotten anything wrong, a lot of this was based on both the Catechism, and the teachings of Saint Thomas Aquinas.

However, there are still a lot of things I don't understand about anger, and when it becomes mortally sinful, I really want know about these instances which I am about to list here, can anyone please explain these instances and whether or not they render anger mortally sinful:

1. Hitting: As mentioned above seriously injuring someone is mortally sinful, but what about striking someone without the intention to seriously injure someone? What about thinking about striking someone in a vaguely violent way where it's clear whether such a strike in real life would cause serious injury?

2. Wishing to cause someone harm: I assume torture would be considered mortally sinful, even though it's intention is usually to cause someone pain without seriously injuring them. But about wanting to cause someone pain with seriously injuring them, in a non-tortuous way?

3. Passion and culpability: With lust at least, passion usually doesn't undermine culpability, but what about anger? I already touched on hitting, but what about other instances where passion results in grave consequences? What about a person who acts out, and tries his best to make the situation not mortally sinful, and yet grave consequences he had no intention of causing still arise?

So these are my question regarding when anger becomes a mortal sin. There may have been other questions I have forgotten to ask, but this question is already quite long. Please answer them.
 

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Disclaimer- Don't mistake me for a moral theologian.

01- Why are you hitting someone? Is it to defend yourself or someone else from unprovoked violence? If so, I don't see how that can be sinful. I should imagine that defense against violence is at the bare minimum morally neutral. But it might be morally positive.

Hitting someone from no reason or, really, for any reason that isn't protective either on your own behalf or someone else's can't possibly be morally justifiable, can it? Hitting someone with the intent to kill is, I should assume, a mortal sin. And it might even be a crime as well.

02- Wishing harm upon somebody, even a bona fide enemy, is pretty shaky, I think. It's one thing to protect yourself or others from injustice. But actively wishing harm upon someone else is simply wrongheaded. And sinful.

03- For some people, anger is a legitimate handicap. They cannot control their emotions, least of all their rage. And there could be psychological factors working behind that; chemical imbalances, mental disorders and so forth. But I presume those would lessen (or even negate) someone's culpability.

If someone is mentally healthy and otherwise balanced but simply makes no effort to keep their anger in check, yes, I do believe that's bordering on sinful territory.

If you're angry with someone, I pray that you will experience peace.

If it helps, anger is a natural emotion. And it's normal to feel anger when you've been wronged. But an important thing to remember is that most people who make us angry DON'T CARE. There's a good chance they didn't actively intend harm to you but they're not losing sleep over you or your problems. They don't care. It doesn't bother them in any way.

Odds are they're not stewing in their hatred. They just do whatever they want with total disregard for others. Disregard; not malice. They're not burning in their own anger so it doesn't make sense for us to let our anger devour us, least of all over somebody who hasn't given us a second thought.
 
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Disclaimer- Don't mistake me for a moral theologian.

01- Why are you hitting someone? Is it to defend yourself or someone else from unprovoked violence? If so, I don't see how that can be sinful. I should imagine that defense against violence is at the bare minimum morally neutral. But it might be morally positive.

Hitting someone from no reason or, really, for any reason that isn't protective either on your own behalf or someone else's can't possibly be morally justifiable, can it? Hitting someone with the intent to kill is, I should assume, a mortal sin. And it might even be a crime as well.

02- Wishing harm upon somebody, even a bona fide enemy, is pretty shaky, I think. It's one thing to protect yourself or others from injustice. But actively wishing harm upon someone else is simply wrongheaded. And sinful.

03- For some people, anger is a legitimate handicap. They cannot control their emotions, least of all their rage. And there could be psychological factors working behind that; chemical imbalances, mental disorders and so forth. But I presume those would lessen (or even negate) someone's culpability.

If someone is mentally healthy and otherwise balanced but simply makes no effort to keep their anger in check, yes, I do believe that's bordering on sinful territory.

If you're angry with someone, I pray that you will experience peace.

If it helps, anger is a natural emotion. And it's normal to feel anger when you've been wronged. But an important thing to remember is that most people who make us angry DON'T CARE. There's a good chance they didn't actively intend harm to you but they're not losing sleep over you or your problems. They don't care. It doesn't bother them in any way.

Odds are they're not stewing in their hatred. They just do whatever they want with total disregard for others. Disregard; not malice. They're not burning in their own anger so it doesn't make sense for us to let our anger devour us, least of all over somebody who hasn't given us a second thought.
Thank you for your response, I know you're no Moral Theologian but you did clear up a few things. There was one instance I did in the past that I suspected the same thing you thought, but was, sort of second-guessing myself. I assume the fact that both of us thought the same thing, implies that it's true, but again, we're no experts.

I have a few other instances that I'm not sure, I'll try not to worry about them, but can you please pray for the enlightening of conscience over them?

Thanks! :)
 
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From Saint Louis de Montfort :

Second, it is trustful, that is to say, it fills us with confidence in the Blessed Virgin, the confidence that a child has for its loving Mother. It prompts us to go to her in every need of body and soul with great simplicity, trust and affection. We implore our Mother's help always, everywhere, and for everything. We pray to her to be enlightened in our doubts, to be put back on the right path when we go astray, to be protected when we are tempted, to be strengthened when we are weakening, to be lifted up when we fall into sin, to be encouraged when we are losing heart, to be rid of our scruples, to be consoled in the trials, crosses and disappointments of life. Finally, in all our afflictions of body and soul, we naturally turn to Mary for help, with never a fear of importuning her or displeasing our Lord.
 
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From Saint Louis de Montfort :

Second, it is trustful, that is to say, it fills us with confidence in the Blessed Virgin, the confidence that a child has for its loving Mother. It prompts us to go to her in every need of body and soul with great simplicity, trust and affection. We implore our Mother's help always, everywhere, and for everything. We pray to her to be enlightened in our doubts, to be put back on the right path when we go astray, to be protected when we are tempted, to be strengthened when we are weakening, to be lifted up when we fall into sin, to be encouraged when we are losing heart, to be rid of our scruples, to be consoled in the trials, crosses and disappointments of life. Finally, in all our afflictions of body and soul, we naturally turn to Mary for help, with never a fear of importuning her or displeasing our Lord.
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