GOD'S WORD vs TRADITIONS OF MEN; Sabbath vs Sunday

The7thColporteur · Apr 29, 2018

1stcenturylady said:
You do know that entering the true rest of God is to believe on His Son Jesus Christ, don't you? We can agree on that can't we?

True rest, is rest from sin. Jesus came to save us from our sins [1 John 3:4 KJB]. Without that, there is no rest. To transgress the 4th commandment is not rest, it is the works of the old man of sin.

The7thColporteur · Apr 29, 2018

Marco70 said:
I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean
Rom 14:14

Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All(ALL) food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble
Verse20

"unclean" in Romans 14 is not akathartos [inherently unclean], not bdelygma [abomination], but rather "Koinon", common [unclean by association with idols].

Its the same word used by Peter in Acts 10 & 11, as "common" [unclean by association with actual unclean [akathartos] animals]

Compare Romans 14 to 1 Corinthians 8-10. There were flesh sold in shambles blessed by pagan idols/gods/devils. Paul said an Idol is nothing.

1stcenturylady · Apr 29, 2018

The7thColporteur said:
True rest, is rest from sin. Jesus came to save us from our sins [1 John 3:4 KJB]. Without that, there is no rest. To trasngress the 4th commandment is not rest, it is the works of the old man of sin.

Well, at least we can agree that Jesus came to save us from our sins.

But to keep a day holy when the substance of that day is Jesus, is a work and not rightly dividing the meaning of the Sabbath. Jesus fulfilled the Sabbath rest, with His death and resurrection, and through that allowed us to die to sin, and enjoy resurrecting to newness of life. We keep and establish God's moral law through the infilling of the Holy Spirit.

Marco70 · Apr 29, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Not at all only God's WORD is true and we should believe and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

BTW
The only way for sin not to be your master/obey the law is by dying to it, something you resolutely refuse to accept:

For sin shall not be your master, for you are not under law but under grace rom 6:14

For the benefit of our sda friends, who struggle to understand what Paul means by dying to the law/being released from the law. He means dying to a righteousness of observing the law..
Something you cannot do if you state you can only be in a saved state if you obey the law. If you are in a saved state you are righteous before God, if you are in an unsaved state you are obviously not righteous before God. Therefore to claim you can only be saved/righteous before God if you obey the law is to place you under it, you then have righteousness of observing the law:

Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men

The7thColporteur · Apr 29, 2018

1stcenturylady said:
Well, at least we can agree that Jesus came to save us from our sins.

But to keep a day holy when the substance of that day is Jesus, is a work and not rightly dividing the meaning of the Sabbath. Jesus fulfilled the Sabbath rest, with His death and resurrection, and through that allowed us to die to sin, and enjoy resurrecting to newness of life. We keep and establish God's moral law through the infilling of the Holy Spirit.

Not so:

Exodus 33:14 KJB - And he said, My presence shall go with thee, and I will give thee rest.

[context God's character, His Law, see Exodus 33:12-23; Exodus 34:1-9; Exodus 20:5-6 KJB]

Isaiah 28:12 KJB - To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

[See Genesis and Exodus; God rested the 7th Day, and was resfreshed.]

Psalms 38:3 KJB - There is no soundness in my flesh because of thine anger; neither is there any rest in my bones because of my sin.

1 John 3:8 KJB - He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

1stcenturylady · Apr 29, 2018

The7thColporteur said:
Not so:

Exodus 33:14 KJB - And he said, My presence shall go with thee, and I will give thee rest.

[context God's character, His Law, see Exodus 33:12-23; Exodus 34:1-9; Exodus 20:5-6 KJB]

Isaiah 28:12 KJB - To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

[See Genesis and Exodus; God rested the 7th Day, and was resfreshed.]

Psalms 38:3 KJB - There is no soundness in my flesh because of thine anger; neither is there any rest in my bones because of my sin.

1 John 3:8 KJB - He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Why do you think at the end of Creation week did God create the Sabbath. Was God tired? And why didn't He give it to anyone before giving it to the Jews?

The7thColporteur · Apr 29, 2018

1stcenturylady said:
Why do you think at the end of Creation week did God create the Sabbath. Was God tired?

It has nothing to do with that I think. It has to do with what is written. He stopped speaking ["And God said ..."]. Has nothing to do with physical tiredness [though you can weary God in your excuses, He is longsuffering not endlessly suffering your excuses; Jeremiah 15:6 KJB, and soon, very soon, your time for excuses will be up, so soon as Prophecy reveals, then at that time, you will desire a shelter ...] in relation to God in Creation week and you know it. Non-sequitur.

1stcenturylady said:
And why didn't He give it to anyone before giving it to the Jews?

He did. Adam, the first, wasn't a Jew [Mark 2:27 KJB].

Moses wasn't a Jew, He was Hebrew. I demonstrated that on several occasions now:

"...Moses wasn't a Jew, neither Aaron, nor Miriam, nor Zipporah, nor the 'mixed multitude', etc.

God, in Exodus is directly called the "God of the Hebrews" [Exodus 5:3 KJB].

Moses was Hebrew [Exodus 2:7,11 KJB], so also the midwives [Exodus 1:15 KJB], as well as others [Exodus 1:16,19; Deuteornomy 15:12 KJB].

Abraham was also Hebrew [Genesis 14:13 KJB], as was Joseph [Genesis 39:14 KJB]. The word Hebrew, comes from "Eber" [Genesis 10:21,24,25, 11:14-17; Numbers 24:24; 1 Chronicles 1:18-19,25 KJB], who is of the line of "Shem" [Genesis 10:21 KJB], of "Noah", etc., etc. unto "Adam".

But ye are not Abraham's seed, as Jesus saith:

John 8:39 KJB - They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

You would keep all of God's commandments [John 14:15; Exodus 20:6; Exodus 20:8-11; Revelation 12:17, 14:12, 22:14 KJB], but since you do not, you do show whose child you are [Ephesians 2:2, 5:6; Colossians 3:6 KJB].

Galatians 3:29 KJB - And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

There is not a single scripture that says "Jewish sabbath", or "sabbath of the Jews". It is a myth.

It is always, the Holy "seventh day the sabbath of the LORD thy God". And moreso, since Jesus is God, and so also man [the second/last Adam], even the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, it is the Sabbath of Jesus, the Jew, for the "son of man [Jesus] is LORD also of the Sabbath" [Mark 2:28 KJB], thus all who are His children [Matthew 2:13-15; Hosea 11:1; Hebrews 2:9-13; Isaiah 8:8-20; Isaiah 56:1,8; John 10:16; Isaiah 56:2-7 KJB], and of the New Creation, will keep His Sabbath even in eternity, even in the New Heavens and New Earth:

Isaiah 66:23 KJB - And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. ..." - [Link] [which I linked to in the other thread also]

"... Now let's deal with this error of an Israelite sabbath, many times mis-nomered/called the "old Jewish sabbath":

The Israelites, the peoples, were to be a Light unto the Gentiles, the nations surrounding them

Deuteronomy 4:5 KJB - Behold, I have taught you statutes and judgments, even as the LORD my God commanded me, that ye should do so in the land whither ye go to possess it.

Deuteronomy 4:6 KJB - Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.

Deuteronomy 4:7 KJB - For what nation is there so great, who hath God so nigh unto them, as the LORD our God is in all things that we call upon him for?

Deuteronomy 4:8 KJB - And what nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day?

Both King David and King Solomon knew this [1 Kings 10:1-13 KJB], which even brought the queen of 7 [sheba] to Solomon and she marvelled, taking the truth back with her to her country, and we find even the fruit of it in the book of Acts [Acts 8:26-40 KJB]. See Genesis 18:18; and such as Isaiah 60 KJB, etc.

Exodus 19:6 KJB - And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

Such a holy royal nation was to be a guide to the blind, a lifter up of the fallen in sin and who could still repent [not those nations which God had already given hundreds of years of mercy, and thus were to be cut out of the land].

Answer me, and you will so in answering me, answer your own question:

Does the bible [KJB] use the phrase "Jewish Sabbath" anywhere in either OT [Genesis to Malachi] or NT [Matthew to Revelation]?

Since most, incorrectly, think that sabbath keeping began with Moses, rather than with JEHOVAH from the beginning in Genesis, let us ask:

Was Moses an Levite/Hebrew rather than a "Jew"?

Was Aaron an Levite/Hebrew rather than a "Jew"?

Was Miriam an Levite/Hebrew rather than a "Jew"?

Were the mixed multitude "Jews" that came up out of Egypt with Moses and Israel [the peoples]?

Was Moses' wife, Zipporah, a "Jew"?

Were the other tribes of Israel, in the days of Moses, other than Judah, "Jews"?

In the prophecy of Isaiah 56:1-8 [mentioned in the NT, John 10:16, 21:17, etc], were the "sons of the stranger" who were to take hold of the New Covenant, "keepeth the sabbath from polluting it", and have an "everlasting name", physically "Jews"?

In Acts 13:42-44, did even the "Gentiles" come together on the "sabbath" to "hear the word of God"?

In the prophecy of Isaiah 66:22-23, in regards the "new heavens" and the "new earth", wherein "from one sabbath to another", shall therein "all flesh" come to worship before God, is the "all flesh" only physically "Jews"?

In Genesis 2:1-3; appropriated in Exodus 20:8-11, etc, did God [Elohiym], when finished with the work of creation, cease and then "rested" in "the seventh day", which was then "blessed" and "sanctified"?

Was God then [Genesis 2:1-3] in the form of a servant, a man, or a Jew [from the tribe of Judah]?

Genesis 2:1-3 & Exodus 20:11 KJB, says that God rested the 7th Day, all the way back in Genesis, and that "the seventh day" is "the sabbath of the LORD [JEHOVAH] thy God [Elohiym]" [Exodus 20:10 KJB]:

Genesis 2:1 KJB - Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

Genesis 2:2 KJB - And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

Genesis 2:3 KJB - And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Exodus 20:11 KJB - For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

So, when God "made" the sabbath, was it "made" for "the man" Adam [and thus all humanity in him]?

I ask, because Jesus said this:

Mark 2:27 KJB - And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

Mark 2:27 GNT TR - και ελεγεν αυτοις το σαββατον δια τον ανθρωπον εγενετο ουχ ο ανθρωπος δια το σαββατον

Literally, '... the sabbath [of the LORD [JEHOVAH], the 7th day, context] was made/created for the man ...'

The only "the [definite article] man" [Hebrew: 'ha adam'] [singular] that was around when things were "made" [thus at Genesis], is "Adam" [and all humanity in him]. This agrees with Genesis 2:7, which speaks of "the Adam":

Genesis 2:7 KJB - And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Genesis 2:7 HOT - וייצר יהוה אלהים את־האדם עפר מן־האדמה ויפח באפיו נשׁמת חיים ויהי האדם לנפשׁ חיה׃

Genesis 2:7 HOT Translit. - waYiytzer y'hwäh élohiym et-häädäm äfär min-häádämäh waYiPach B'aPäyw nish'mat chaYiym way'hiy häädäm l'nefesh chaYäh

Genesis 2:7 LXX* (so-called) - καὶ ἔπλασεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν ἄνθρωπον χοῦν ἀπὸ τῆς γῆς καὶ ἐνεφύσησεν εἰς τὸ πρόσωπον αὐτοῦ πνοὴν ζωῆς, καὶ ἐγένετο ὁ ἄνθρωπος εἰς ψυχὴν ζῶσαν.

Thus, would you agree that the LORD [JEHOVAH] God [Elohiym] "made" "the seventh day" "the sabbath of the LORD [JEHOVAH] thy God [Elohiym]" "for" Adam, "the man", and that God set the example for "the man" the first time by having "rested" in it way back then, and then blessed and hallowed it "for" "the man" - Adam; for God having "made" it "for" "the man" as a holy blessing and delight?

Was the "man" [Adam] for whom the "sabbath" was "made" a physical "Jew"?

Is the word "stranger" [gentile, of another nation than Israel] included in the 4th Commandment, Exodus 20:8-11?

Are even the domesticated beasts of service and burden [Ox and Ass], included in the 4th Commandment, Exodus 20:8-11?

Are even the "manservant" and "maidservant" [which could be of any nationality] included in the 4th Commandment, Exodus 20:8-11?

In the 4th Commandment, Exodus 20:8-11, was it not the LORD God [YHVH, JEHOVAH Elohiym] who "rested" in the beginning of Creation, Genesis 2:1-3, and therefore is His [belonging to] Holy day [the seventh day and no other] in which He rested from creating/speaking, and thus blessed and sanctified the seventh day for the man, Mark 2:27-28?

Since the Sabbath of the LORD God is in existence in the perfect creation in Genesis 2:1-3; utilized in Exodus 20:8-11, in the very Ten Commandments, and seen in the perfect life and example of Jesus, whose very daily life demonstrated the taking away of sin, which is transgression of the Holy Law of God [and Lucifer was cast out from there because of sin, and sin shall not exist therein ever again], part of the New Covenant in Isaiah 56, etc, and is again in the perfect New Creation of the New Heavens and New Earth, in Isaiah 66, wherein "all flesh" come to worship before JEHOVAH in every the Blessed Holy 7th day, the Sabbath of the LORD, are only physical "Jews" to keep it in redemption, or shall rather all who dress in the provided heavenly garments of salvation/redemption keep it [dress and keep]?

In the NT Gospels, book of Acts and Epistles, did Jesus' true disciples and apostles ever cease from keeping the Sabbath of the LORD Jesus their God, since Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath, being His Blessed Holy day, from creation?

In the NT, did Jesus ever rebuke those Jewish leaders who had loaded the sabbath down with traditions from their elders/fathers which nullified the Commandment of God to none effect?

Jesus is "the Jew", even "the man". ..." - [Link]

The7thColporteur · Apr 29, 2018

1stcenturylady said:
...And why didn't He give it to anyone before giving it to the Jews?

Again:

"... When was the sabbath "made"?

Only in Genesis, as there is only 7th day the sabbath of the LORD.

If we were to read the text and substitute "the man" with "David", let's read it again:

Mark 2:27 New Ratiocination Version - And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for David, and not David for the sabbath:

So, "the sabbath", which was "made" at creation, was "for" "David", not Moses, etc? God, at creation, "made" "the sabbath" for a single ["the"] person, David, who was to come several thousand years later?

I showed from Genesis, that the very words "the man" exist there, and this was Adam, and thus all in him, including you and me, even "all flesh" of man:

As it was in the beginning, so too into eternity [prophecy]:

Isaiah 66:23 KJB - And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

"Made" refers to creation. The "sabbath" was not "made" at Mt. Sinai. It already existed, as stated in Exodus 5, 16 & Exodus 20:8-11 KJB, and before:

Exodus 16:28 KJB - And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

The Ten Commandments aren't the old covenant. Read Exodus 19:3-8 KJB, carefully, you'll see two covenants if read prayerfully. I can share more in the new thread I will create.

Sure.

Exodus 31:13 KJB - Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

Who?

Children of 'Israel'.

Who is 'Israel'?

Jacob.

Who is Jacob?

Son of Isaac.

Who is Isaac?

Son of Abraham.

What did God say of Abraham?

Genesis 26:5 KJB - Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Genesis 18:19 KJB - For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.

Isaac, Jacob, thus his "children ... after him ...", even the children of Israel ...

Matthew 1:2 KJB - Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;

Luke 3:33 KJB - Which was the son of Aminadab, which was the son of Aram, which was the son of Esrom, which was the son of Phares, which was the son of Juda,

Luke 3:34 KJB - Which was the son of Jacob, which was the son of Isaac, which was the son of Abraham, which was the son of Thara, which was the son of Nachor,

Why weren't the children of Israel keeping it in Egypt in the time of Moses? They had been long before, but after Joseph died, and a new Pharaoh arose, and enslaved them, into bondage, into sin... they forgot it, and more work was incresaed upon them, and thus God said:

Exodus 20:8 KJB - Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Who was Abraham?

The Friend of God, as Moses was, as the Disciples are, and the friends of God are those who keep his commandments, and He is the LORD, and does not change, for God is no respecter of persons - the Sabbath was given to "the man", Adam in Eden, made for him, and all his children:

Abraham:

2 Chronicles 20:7 KJB - Art not thou our God, who didst drive out the inhabitants of this land before thy people Israel, and gavest it to the seed of Abraham thy friend for ever?

James 2:23 KJB - And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

Moses:

Exodus 33:11 KJB - And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle.

Disciples:

John 15:14 KJB - Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

John 15:15 KJB - Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

Jesus, said, in regards John 15:14, go to John 14:15;

John 14:15 KJB - If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Jesus what commandments were you talking about for us to keep? Where were you quoting from? Who were you quoting?

Exodus 20:6 KJB - And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Deuteronomy 5:10 KJB - And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.

Oh, the Ten Commandments, including the 7th Day the Sabbath of JEHOVAH Jesus my God. Exodus 20. Yourself. Gotcha' Jesus. Thank you again for making it so simple.

The Holy Spirit is given to them that obey Him -

Acts 5:32 KJB - And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Pretty simple.

Jesus, when you said that the Holy Ghost would lead us into all truth, what did you mean? What is truth?

Psalms 119:142 KJB - Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.

Psalms 119:151 KJB - Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth.

Psalms 25:10 KJB - All the paths of the LORD are mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies.

John 17:17 KJB - Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

John 14:6 KJB - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

1 John 5:6 KJB - This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

Deuternomy 32:4 KJB - He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

1 John 3:4 KJB - Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

etc.

Thank you again Jesus, your word is so clear. Truly you are the God of righteousness. Let me sing a Psalm unto thee:

Psalms 119:169 KJB - TAU. Let my cry come near before thee, O LORD: give me understanding according to thy word.

Psalms 119:170 KJB - Let my supplication come before thee: deliver me according to thy word.

Psalms 119:171 KJB - My lips shall utter praise, when thou hast taught me thy statutes.

Psalms 119:172 KJB - My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.

Psalms 119:173 KJB - Let thine hand help me; for I have chosen thy precepts.

Psalms 119:174 KJB - I have longed for thy salvation, O LORD; and thy law is my delight.

Psalms 119:175 KJB - Let my soul live, and it shall praise thee; and let thy judgments help me.

Psalms 119:176 KJB - I have gone astray like a lost sheep; seek thy servant; for I do not forget thy commandments.

What about Noah? Did he keep the Sabbath?

2 Peter 2:5 KJB - And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

What was righteousness by faith? Go back, look at Psalms 119:172 KJB. What was Noah preaching? Repent, receive the Creator's [the JEHOVAH of the 7th Day Sabbath] grace and obey His commandments. 7th Day Adventists, are from Alpha to Omega [the 7th day to the second coming [advent], as Adam, Enoch, Noah, Job, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Israel, etc, etc Jesus, even unto today...]

As it was in the days of Noe, instead of obeying God in His Holy Commandment [Exodus 20:8 KJB], the "bought, they sold", "thy planted, they builded", and the wicked never had "rest":

2 Peter 2:21 KJB - For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

Exodus 20:8 KJB - Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

What did Jesus say about being drowned in the depths of the sea, by teaching a person to sin, and break God's law?

Matthew 18:6 KJB - But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

Mark 9:42 KJB - And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.

Luke 17:2 KJB - It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.

The flood [sea of water] came and took those sabbath-breakers away. Another global disaster [sea of fire] is coming ...

Micah 6:8 KJB - He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God.

Romans 7:12 KJB - Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

God's prophecy rests on His unchanging word. ..." - [Link]

BNR32FAN · Apr 29, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Hello BNR32FAN, circumcision is part of the SHADOW ordinances contained in the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT not the 10 Commandments and are part of the SHADOW laws fulfilled in CHIRST under the NEW COVENANT for example...

FORTOLD IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT SCRIPTURES….

DEUTERONOMY 30 [6] And the LORD your God will CIRCUMCISE YOUR HEART AND THE HEART OF YOUR DECENDENCE, TO LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITHYOU’RE YOUR SOUL, THAT YOU MAY LIVE.

JEREMIAH 4 [4] CIRCUMCISE YOURSELF TO THE LORD, AND TAKE AWAY THE FORESKINS OF YOUR HEART, you men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.

DEUTERONOMY 10 [16] CIRCUMCISE therefore THE FORESKIN OF YOUR HEART, and be no more stiff-necked.

NEW COVENANT FULFILLMENT of the SHADOWS of the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCE of CIRCUMCISION pointing the CIRCUMCISION of the HEART through faith in Christ…

ROMANS 2 [25] For circumcision verily profits, if you keep the law: but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision is made uncircumcision. [26], Therefore if the uncircumcision keeps the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? [27], And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfils the law, judge you, who by the letter and circumcision do transgress the law? [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW, WHO IS ONE; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OF THE OUTWARD FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; AND CIRCUMCISION IS THAT OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT AND NOT IN THE LETTER; WHOSE PRAISE IS NOT OF MEN BUT OF GOD.
1 CORITHIANS 7 [19] CIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, AND UNCIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, BUT THE KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD.

This is the operation of GOD in the NEW COVENANT…

HEBREWS 8 [10], For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS, AND WRITE THEM IN THEIR HEARTS: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

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The SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT for remission of SIN and God's plan of SALVATION are fullfilled in Christ. NOT the 10 Commandments these are the ETERNAL laws of GOD and the very standard and KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS (Good and Evil). If we break ANY ONE of the 10 we stand guilty before God under the LAW of SIN. Those who continue in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

Actually God did say the SEVENTH DAY of the week is the SABBATH. Maybe you did not know it. Let's look at the scriptures...

GENESIS 2:1-3
[1], Thus the heavens and the earth WERE FINISHED, and all the host of them.
[2], And on the SEVENTH DAY GOD ENDED HIS WORK which he had made; and HE RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made.
[3], And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY, AND SANCTIFIED IT: BECAUSE HE HAD RESTED FROM ALL HIS WORK WHICH GOD HAD CREATED AND MADE.

Points of interest...

v2 THE SABBATH was made on the SEVENTH DAY OF the CREATION week.
v1-2 THE SABBATH was part of a FINISHED WORK OF CREATION OF ALL THINGS IN THE HEAVENS AND EARTH
v3 GOD BELSSED THE SEVENTH DAY AND MADE IT A HOLY DAY
v1-3 THE SABBATH was made BEFORE MANKIND SINNED AND BEFORE GOD'S PLAN OF SALVATION WAS GIVEN TO MANKIND (see Gen 3 which is where mankind sinned)

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CONCLUSION: THE SABBATH DAY was made on the SEVENTH DAY (Saturday). God RESTED on the SEVENTH DAY (Saturday). GOD BLESSED the SEVENTH DAY (Saturday). GOD set apart the SEVENTH DAY (Saturday) and made it a HOLY DAY because he RESTED on the SEVENTH DAY (Saturday) from all the work of creation.

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Now let's look at the 4th Commandment.

EXODUS 20:8-11
[8], REMEMBER, the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day)
[9], Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
[10], But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY>
[11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT.

Points of interest...

v8 The commandment is to REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY TO KEEP IT A HOLY DAY
v9-10 NO WORK is to be done on the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH
v10 THIS IS GOD'S SABBATH made for mankind (Mark 2:27-28)
v8;11 THE REASON FOR THE SABBATH IS A MEMORIAL OF CREATION AND THE CREATOR

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CONCLUSION: God's 4th Commandment of the 4/10 commands us to REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY TO KEEP IT A HOLY DAY. God's 4th Commandment says that the SEVENTH DAY (Saturday) IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD THY GOD. Why? For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT (A direct reference back to Genesis 2:1-3).

God's WORD disagrees with you. We are commanded by God to keep the SEVENTH DAY (Saturday) of the week AS A HOLY DAY and NO WORK is to be done on this day.

I respectfully disagree my friend, God did not say the seventh day of the week. Yes He rested on the seventh day in creation but His commandment does not demand that we rest on the seventh day of the week. He commands that we have 6 days to work and on the 7th day we must rest. The proper grammar that must be used with this statement requires using the term 7th day. God’s commandment does not specify exactly which days of the week we can work and which day of the week we must rest. I’m curious why you didn’t address the rest of the scriptures I posted explaining that we are not bound to the letter of the law but instead we are bound by living in the Spirit. Also that Jesus’ 2 commandments encompass all the laws and demands of the prophets including the 10 commandments. If we abide in His 2 commandments we are abiding in the purpose of the 10 commandments. Circumcision was a requirement of God to receive the covenant He gave to Abraham.

“Then God said to Abraham, “Your responsibility is to obey the terms of the covenant. You and all your descendants have this continual responsibility. This is the covenant that you and your descendants must keep: Each male among you must be circumcised. You must cut off the flesh of your foreskin as a sign of the covenant between me and you. From generation to generation, every male child must be circumcised on the eighth day after his birth. This applies not only to members of your family but also to the servants born in your household and the foreign-born servants whom you have purchased. All must be circumcised. Your bodies will bear the mark of my everlasting covenant. Any male who fails to be circumcised will be cut off from the covenant family for breaking the covenant.””
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭17:9-14‬

Jesus’ sacrifice changed that because we are no longer bound to the letter of the law to be righteous. God gave Jesus full authority on earth and in heaven. Jesus did this for the purpose of the law and the commandments to be kept without having specifics to get hung up on.

The7thColporteur · Apr 29, 2018

BNR32FAN said:
I respectfully disagree my friend, God did not say the seventh day of the week. Yes He rested on the seventh day in creation but His commandment does not demand that we rest on the seventh day of the week. He commands that we have 6 days to work and on the 7th day we must rest. The proper grammar that must be used with this statement requires using the term 7th day. God’s commandment does not specify exactly which days of the week we can work and which day of the week we must rest. ...

"The" [definite article] "seventh day", "the" "sabbath", the day in which God rested in, sanctified and blessed [Genesis 1-2 constitutes the week]:

Exodus 20:8 KJB - Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Exodus 20:9 KJB - Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

Exodus 20:10 KJB - But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Exodus 20:11 KJB - For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Exodus 20:8 HOT - זכור את־יום השׁבת לקדשׁו׃

Exodus 20:9 HOT - שׁשׁת ימים תעבד ועשׂית כל־מלאכתך׃

Exodus 20:10 HOT - ויום השׁביעי שׁבת ליהוה אלהיך לא־תעשׂה כל־מלאכה אתה ובנך־ובתך עבדך ואמתך ובהמתך וגרך אשׁר בשׁעריך׃

Exodus 20:11 HOT - כי שׁשׁת־ימים עשׂה יהוה את־השׁמים ואת־הארץ את־הים ואת־כל־אשׁר־בם וינח ביום השׁביעי על־כן ברך יהוה את־יום השׁבת ויקדשׁהו׃

Exodus 20:8 HOT Translit. - zäkhôr et-yôm haSHaBät l'qaD'shô

Exodus 20:9 HOT Translit. - shëshet yämiym Taávod w'äsiytä Käl-m'lakh'Tekhä

Exodus 20:10 HOT Translit. -w'yôm haSH'viyiy shaBät layhwäh éloheykhä lo-taáseh khäl-m'läkhäh aTäh ûvin'khä-ûviTekhä av'D'khä waámät'khä ûv'hem'Tekhä w'gër'khä ásher Bish'äreykhä

Exodus 20:11 HOT Translit. - Kiy shëshet-yämiym äsäh y'hwäh et-haSHämayim w'et-hääretz et-haYäm w'et-Käl-ásher-Bäm waYänach BaYôm haSH'viyiy al-Kën Bërakh' y'hwäh et-yôm haSHaBät way'qaD'shëhû š

LoveGodsWord · Apr 29, 2018

BNR32FAN said:
I respectfully disagree my friend, God did not say the seventh day of the week. Yes He rested on the seventh day in creation but His commandment does not demand that we rest on the seventh day of the week.

Hello BNR32FAN,

You did not read post # 228 (linked) did you?

God's 4th Commandment.

EXODUS 20:8-11
[8], REMEMBER, the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day)
[9], Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
[10], But THE SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD THY GOD: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY>
[11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT.

Points of interest...

v8 The commandment is to REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY TO KEEP IT A HOLY DAY
v9-10 NO WORK is to be done on the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH
v10 THIS IS GOD'S SABBATH made for mankind (Mark 2:27-28)
v8;11 THE REASON FOR THE SABBATH IS A MEMORIAL OF CREATION AND THE CREATOR

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CONCLUSION: God's 4th Commandment of the 4/10 commands us to REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY TO KEEP IT A HOLY DAY. God's 4th Commandment says that THE SEVENTH DAY (Saturday) IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD THY GOD. Why? For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT (A direct reference back to Genesis 2:1-3).

God's WORD disagrees with you. We are commanded by God to keep the SEVENTH DAY (Saturday) of the week AS A HOLY DAY and NO WORK is to be done on this day.

Hope this helps

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SIN is still the same as it has always been which is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

1stcenturylady · Apr 29, 2018

The7thColporteur said:
It has nothing to do with that I think. It has to do with what is written. He stopped speaking ["And God said ..."]. Has nothing to do with physical tiredness [though you can weary God in your excuses, He is longsuffering not endlessly suffering your excuses; Jeremiah 15:6 KJB, and soon, very soon, your time for excuses will be up, so soon as Prophecy reveals, then at that time, you will desire a shelter ...] in relation to God in Creation week and you know it. Non-sequitur.

He did. Adam, the first, wasn't a Jew [Mark 2:27 KJB].

Moses wasn't a Jew, He was Hebrew. I demonstrated that on several occasions now:

"...Moses wasn't a Jew, neither Aaron, nor Miriam, nor Zipporah, nor the 'mixed multitude', etc.

God, in Exodus is directly called the "God of the Hebrews" [Exodus 5:3 KJB].

Moses was Hebrew [Exodus 2:7,11 KJB], so also the midwives [Exodus 1:15 KJB], as well as others [Exodus 1:16,19; Deuteornomy 15:12 KJB].

Abraham was also Hebrew [Genesis 14:13 KJB], as was Joseph [Genesis 39:14 KJB]. The word Hebrew, comes from "Eber" [Genesis 10:21,24,25, 11:14-17; Numbers 24:24; 1 Chronicles 1:18-19,25 KJB], who is of the line of "Shem" [Genesis 10:21 KJB], of "Noah", etc., etc. unto "Adam".

But ye are not Abraham's seed, as Jesus saith:

John 8:39 KJB - They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

You would keep all of God's commandments [John 14:15; Exodus 20:6; Exodus 20:8-11; Revelation 12:17, 14:12, 22:14 KJB], but since you do not, you do show whose child you are [Ephesians 2:2, 5:6; Colossians 3:6 KJB].

Galatians 3:29 KJB - And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

There is not a single scripture that says "Jewish sabbath", or "sabbath of the Jews". It is a myth.

It is always, the Holy "seventh day the sabbath of the LORD thy God". And moreso, since Jesus is God, and so also man [the second/last Adam], even the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, it is the Sabbath of Jesus, the Jew, for the "son of man [Jesus] is LORD also of the Sabbath" [Mark 2:28 KJB], thus all who are His children [Matthew 2:13-15; Hosea 11:1; Hebrews 2:9-13; Isaiah 8:8-20; Isaiah 56:1,8; John 10:16; Isaiah 56:2-7 KJB], and of the New Creation, will keep His Sabbath even in eternity, even in the New Heavens and New Earth:

Isaiah 66:23 KJB - And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. ..." - [Link] [which I linked to in the other thread also]

"... Now let's deal with this error of an Israelite sabbath, many times mis-nomered/called the "old Jewish sabbath":

The Israelites, the peoples, were to be a Light unto the Gentiles, the nations surrounding them

Deuteronomy 4:5 KJB - Behold, I have taught you statutes and judgments, even as the LORD my God commanded me, that ye should do so in the land whither ye go to possess it.

Deuteronomy 4:6 KJB - Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.

Deuteronomy 4:7 KJB - For what nation is there so great, who hath God so nigh unto them, as the LORD our God is in all things that we call upon him for?

Deuteronomy 4:8 KJB - And what nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day?

Both King David and King Solomon knew this [1 Kings 10:1-13 KJB], which even brought the queen of 7 [sheba] to Solomon and she marvelled, taking the truth back with her to her country, and we find even the fruit of it in the book of Acts [Acts 8:26-40 KJB]. See Genesis 18:18; and such as Isaiah 60 KJB, etc.

Exodus 19:6 KJB - And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

Such a holy royal nation was to be a guide to the blind, a lifter up of the fallen in sin and who could still repent [not those nations which God had already given hundreds of years of mercy, and thus were to be cut out of the land].

Answer me, and you will so in answering me, answer your own question:

Does the bible [KJB] use the phrase "Jewish Sabbath" anywhere in either OT [Genesis to Malachi] or NT [Matthew to Revelation]?

Since most, incorrectly, think that sabbath keeping began with Moses, rather than with JEHOVAH from the beginning in Genesis, let us ask:

Was Moses an Levite/Hebrew rather than a "Jew"?

Was Aaron an Levite/Hebrew rather than a "Jew"?

Was Miriam an Levite/Hebrew rather than a "Jew"?

Were the mixed multitude "Jews" that came up out of Egypt with Moses and Israel [the peoples]?

Was Moses' wife, Zipporah, a "Jew"?

Were the other tribes of Israel, in the days of Moses, other than Judah, "Jews"?

In the prophecy of Isaiah 56:1-8 [mentioned in the NT, John 10:16, 21:17, etc], were the "sons of the stranger" who were to take hold of the New Covenant, "keepeth the sabbath from polluting it", and have an "everlasting name", physically "Jews"?

In Acts 13:42-44, did even the "Gentiles" come together on the "sabbath" to "hear the word of God"?

In the prophecy of Isaiah 66:22-23, in regards the "new heavens" and the "new earth", wherein "from one sabbath to another", shall therein "all flesh" come to worship before God, is the "all flesh" only physically "Jews"?

In Genesis 2:1-3; appropriated in Exodus 20:8-11, etc, did God [Elohiym], when finished with the work of creation, cease and then "rested" in "the seventh day", which was then "blessed" and "sanctified"?

Was God then [Genesis 2:1-3] in the form of a servant, a man, or a Jew [from the tribe of Judah]?

Genesis 2:1-3 & Exodus 20:11 KJB, says that God rested the 7th Day, all the way back in Genesis, and that "the seventh day" is "the sabbath of the LORD [JEHOVAH] thy God [Elohiym]" [Exodus 20:10 KJB]:

Genesis 2:1 KJB - Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

Genesis 2:2 KJB - And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

Genesis 2:3 KJB - And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Exodus 20:11 KJB - For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

So, when God "made" the sabbath, was it "made" for "the man" Adam [and thus all humanity in him]?

I ask, because Jesus said this:

Mark 2:27 KJB - And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

Mark 2:27 GNT TR - και ελεγεν αυτοις το σαββατον δια τον ανθρωπον εγενετο ουχ ο ανθρωπος δια το σαββατον

Literally, '... the sabbath [of the LORD [JEHOVAH], the 7th day, context] was made/created for the man ...'

The only "the [definite article] man" [Hebrew: 'ha adam'] [singular] that was around when things were "made" [thus at Genesis], is "Adam" [and all humanity in him]. This agrees with Genesis 2:7, which speaks of "the Adam":

Genesis 2:7 KJB - And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Genesis 2:7 HOT - וייצר יהוה אלהים את־האדם עפר מן־האדמה ויפח באפיו נשׁמת חיים ויהי האדם לנפשׁ חיה׃

Genesis 2:7 HOT Translit. - waYiytzer y'hwäh élohiym et-häädäm äfär min-häádämäh waYiPach B'aPäyw nish'mat chaYiym way'hiy häädäm l'nefesh chaYäh

Genesis 2:7 LXX* (so-called) - καὶ ἔπλασεν ὁ θεὸς τὸν ἄνθρωπον χοῦν ἀπὸ τῆς γῆς καὶ ἐνεφύσησεν εἰς τὸ πρόσωπον αὐτοῦ πνοὴν ζωῆς, καὶ ἐγένετο ὁ ἄνθρωπος εἰς ψυχὴν ζῶσαν.

Thus, would you agree that the LORD [JEHOVAH] God [Elohiym] "made" "the seventh day" "the sabbath of the LORD [JEHOVAH] thy God [Elohiym]" "for" Adam, "the man", and that God set the example for "the man" the first time by having "rested" in it way back then, and then blessed and hallowed it "for" "the man" - Adam; for God having "made" it "for" "the man" as a holy blessing and delight?

Was the "man" [Adam] for whom the "sabbath" was "made" a physical "Jew"?

Is the word "stranger" [gentile, of another nation than Israel] included in the 4th Commandment, Exodus 20:8-11?

Are even the domesticated beasts of service and burden [Ox and Ass], included in the 4th Commandment, Exodus 20:8-11?

Are even the "manservant" and "maidservant" [which could be of any nationality] included in the 4th Commandment, Exodus 20:8-11?

In the 4th Commandment, Exodus 20:8-11, was it not the LORD God [YHVH, JEHOVAH Elohiym] who "rested" in the beginning of Creation, Genesis 2:1-3, and therefore is His [belonging to] Holy day [the seventh day and no other] in which He rested from creating/speaking, and thus blessed and sanctified the seventh day for the man, Mark 2:27-28?

Since the Sabbath of the LORD God is in existence in the perfect creation in Genesis 2:1-3; utilized in Exodus 20:8-11, in the very Ten Commandments, and seen in the perfect life and example of Jesus, whose very daily life demonstrated the taking away of sin, which is transgression of the Holy Law of God [and Lucifer was cast out from there because of sin, and sin shall not exist therein ever again], part of the New Covenant in Isaiah 56, etc, and is again in the perfect New Creation of the New Heavens and New Earth, in Isaiah 66, wherein "all flesh" come to worship before JEHOVAH in every the Blessed Holy 7th day, the Sabbath of the LORD, are only physical "Jews" to keep it in redemption, or shall rather all who dress in the provided heavenly garments of salvation/redemption keep it [dress and keep]?

In the NT Gospels, book of Acts and Epistles, did Jesus' true disciples and apostles ever cease from keeping the Sabbath of the LORD Jesus their God, since Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath, being His Blessed Holy day, from creation?

In the NT, did Jesus ever rebuke those Jewish leaders who had loaded the sabbath down with traditions from their elders/fathers which nullified the Commandment of God to none effect?

Jesus is "the Jew", even "the man". ..." - [Link]

Everyone is of Seth. Cains line died in the flood.

1stcenturylady · Apr 29, 2018

The7thColporteur said:
Not so:

Exodus 33:14 KJB - And he said, My presence shall go with thee, and I will give thee rest.

[context God's character, His Law, see Exodus 33:12-23; Exodus 34:1-9; Exodus 20:5-6 KJB]

Isaiah 28:12 KJB - To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

[See Genesis and Exodus; God rested the 7th Day, and was resfreshed.]

Psalms 38:3 KJB - There is no soundness in my flesh because of thine anger; neither is there any rest in my bones because of my sin.

1 John 3:8 KJB - He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

The "Rest" of Hebrews 4 is the gospel. And what do you believe is the gospel?

Cribstyl · Apr 29, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Hi Bob, Nice to see you.

Your only saying the same old things that have already been addressed many times with scripture already. It is not the scriptures that are the problem it is your interpretation of the scriptures that is in error.

These scriptures are not talking about God's LAW being ABOLISHED but the condemnation and penalty of the law because of SIN through fogiveness in Christ under the NEW Covenant.

Let's look at the scriptures...

2 Corinthians 3:5-11

v5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think anything as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
v6, Who also hath made us able ministers of the New Testament (Covenant); not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter kills, but the spirit giveth life.
v7, But if the ministration of death, written and graven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not steadfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away.
v8, How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
v9, For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
v10, For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
v11, For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
v12, Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
v13, And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
v14, But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
v15, But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16, Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17, Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Lets’ put it all together….

GLORY OF THE OLD COVENANT TO THE NEW COVENANT

v6-7 What is the ministration of death graven in stone? It is God’s Law (10 commandments; Exodus 20:1-17; 31:18; 32:16). Why were they called the ministration of death? Because God’s Law (10 commandments) give the knowledge of sin and righteousness but makes nothing perfect (James 2:11; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20; 7:7; Hebrews 7:19 ).
God’s Law only shows what sin is and if broken, the condemnation and penalty for sin is death (Romans 6:23).

v8-10 It was to teach us that we are all sinners in need of a saviour and that all the world may become guilty before God (Romans 3:10; 19; Isaiah 64:6).

v10-11 The Glory that fades away is the OLD COVENANT moving to the NEW COVENANT

v11-17 The glory of the one passes to the glory of the other (Law to Christ). This is the OLD COVENANT moving to the NEW COVENANT. It is the OLD COVENANT that has been done away not because it leads to the NEW COVENANT in Christ

God’s Law is perfect and is forever but makes nothing perfect it is the knowledge of good and evil; sin and righteousness (Ecclesiastes 3:14) but makes nothing perfect.

Faith that works by love through walking in the Spirit is the new ministration (NEW COVENANT) when someone is born again. This is the new covenant of the one written on stone (Old Covenant) to the promise of God's Law being written in the heart by LOVE in the NEW COVENANT (Hebrews 8:10-12; Romans 13:8-10; James 2:9-12).

The difference between the true Gospel and the counterfeit. The counterfeit Gospel is one that tries to separate God’s Law from the cross but without God’s Law no one has the knowledge of good and evil; sin and righteousness (James 2:11; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20; 7:7; Hebrews 7:19).

Hope this helps. You may need to rethink your interpretation of the scriptures.

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CONCLUSION: 2COR 3 is talking about the OLD and NEW COVENANTS it is not saying God's LAW (10 Commandments) is ABOLISHED but that the OLD COVENANT gives way to the NEW COVENANT and the NEW COVENANT frees the sinner from condemnation and the penalty of SIN which is breaking God's Commandments.

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SIN remains the same as it has always been in the NEW COVENANT and that is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

New respects for you LGW. Glad that you addressed Bob with some facts and scriptures to back it up. He wont dwell long on your arguments. I'm not in agreement with all you said, but who fully agree with everything?

Cribstyl · Apr 29, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
No your not trying to learn about God's Sabbath. Your not being honest now are you JLB? We have had these discussions before haven't we? Why do you come here pretending that your trying to learn about God's Sabbath when you have clearly made up your mind against it? Your not being honest now are you?

Actually, He's looking for facts that are not manipulated (just as I am).
Claiming that Sabbath was instituted in creation actually contradicts what God has said about the Sabbath to severally generations.

LGW said:
I will answer this question plainly with scripture if you can tell me where in God's WORD does it say that God's 4th Commandment has been ABOLSIHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a HOLY DAY? Scripture only please.

Fact is, Sabbath was a sign of the Old Covenant. Scriptures proves "Out with the Old" (including the Sabbath).

LGW said:
Which ever way you want to spin it. SIN is the transgression of God's LAW (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4). Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the Commandments of God.

The definition of sin is to miss the mark. If the scriptures say: "Sin was in the world before the law", you cannot establish law before sin.

LGW said:
Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

On this we all agree. God is Holy, all unrighteousness is sin. The wages of sin is death.

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LGW said:
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Paul taught Gentiles everywhere that they were never given the law and are not under the law.

LGW said:
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Unfortunately that's false, God chose Paul to teach all the doctrines of Christianity. Scriptures proves that worship happened daily and not only on Sabbath.

LGW said:
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

That statement is a scam. Paul taught that worship is between a man and God.

LGW said:
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

In Act 17:30-31 the ignorance these text are talking about is; men worshipping idols as God, not about Sabbath.
Act 17:29 - Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

BNR32FAN · Apr 29, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Hello BNR32FAN,

You did not read post # 228 (linked) did you?

God's 4th Commandment.

EXODUS 20:8-11
[8], REMEMBER, the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day)
[9], Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
[10], But THE SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD THY GOD: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY>
[11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT.

Points of interest...

v8 The commandment is to REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY TO KEEP IT A HOLY DAY
v9-10 NO WORK is to be done on the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH
v10 THIS IS GOD'S SABBATH made for mankind (Mark 2:27-28)
v8;11 THE REASON FOR THE SABBATH IS A MEMORIAL OF CREATION AND THE CREATOR

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CONCLUSION: God's 4th Commandment of the 4/10 commands us to REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY TO KEEP IT A HOLY DAY. God's 4th Commandment says that THE SEVENTH DAY (Saturday) IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD THY GOD. Why? For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT (A direct reference back to Genesis 2:1-3).

God's WORD disagrees with you. We are commanded by God to keep the SEVENTH DAY (Saturday) of the week AS A HOLY DAY and NO WORK is to be done on this day.

Hope this helps

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SIN is still the same as it has always been which is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

Unfortunately I can’t attend church on Saturday I often have to work on Saturday. So I attend on Sunday as most American Christians do. I’m sure God knows where me heart is and He knows the level of my devotion. If you feel you must keep the Saturday sabbath then you must. I believe I can honor God any day. I believe Jesus freed us from the specifics of the law and we are free to honor God as best we can. Now I’m pretty sure someone will read this and of course twist it to the worst possible meaning and that’s fine. I don’t need to prove anything to anyone here on CF. God knows me. We talk everyday.

LoveGodsWord · Apr 29, 2018

BNR32FAN said:
Unfortunately I can’t attend church on Saturday I often have to work on Saturday. So I attend on Sunday as most American Christians do. I’m sure God knows where me heart is and He knows the level of my devotion. If you feel you must keep the Saturday sabbath then you must. I believe I can honor God any day. I believe Jesus freed us from the specifics of the law and we are free to honor God as best we can. Now I’m pretty sure someone will read this and of course twist it to the worst possible meaning and that’s fine. I don’t need to prove anything to anyone here on CF. God knows me. We talk everyday.

Perhaps God has brought you here for a reason so you can have a closer walk with him. God is a Spirit and they that worship him must worship him in Spirit and in truth.

DEUTERONOMY 31:6
Be strong and of a good courage, fear not, nor be afraid of them: for the LORD your God, he it is that does go with you; he will not fail you, nor forsake you.

DEUTERONOMY 31:8 And the LORD, he it is that does go before you; he will be with you, he will not fail you, neither forsake you: fear not, neither be dismayed.

JOHN 8:31-32 [31], Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If you continue in my word, then are you my disciples indeed; [32], And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

God will make a way of escape for you so that you can follow him...

1 CORINTHIANS 10:13 [13], There has no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that you are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that you may be able to bear it.

God has his people in many places living up to all the knowledge he has revealed to them.

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31) and follow him.

God's sheep hear his voice..

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

Micah888 · Apr 29, 2018

EastCoastRemnant said:
Disregarding a day Sanctified and made Holy by God for the purpose of communing with us is the height of immorality.

We need to back up a bit. What are the spiritual and moral principles underlying the sabbath and clarified by Christ? Are they not (1) rest from daily labor, (2) worship, and (3) good works? Were these principles not practiced by the Lord, and was He not condemned because of His good works?

But Christ could not arise from the dead on the sabbath day, because it was indeed God's day of rest. So He arose on "the morrow after the sabbath", and is called the First Fruits of them that slept, thus indicating that He fulfilled the feast of First Fruits. And the morrow after the sabbath is the first day of the week, which the Lord authorized to be known as "the Lord's Day". The apostle John could only mention "the Lord's Day" if they Lord Himself had sanctified it.

That would be the day when the Lord's people would gather around the Lord's Table for the Lord's Supper. And it would become the Christian day of rest, worship and good works. We see in the New Testament that the first day of the week was set aside for worship, and ever since the Lord's Day has been observed by Christians over th centuries as the Christian sabbath.

It also happens to be the 8th day, and 8 is the number of a New Creation in Scripture. Circumcision was on the 8th day. So the Church came into existence on the morrow after the sabbath, the Day of Pentecost, when the Holy Spirit was poured out upon the earth from Heaven, and about 3,000 souls were saved.

Just because it happens to be called "Sunday" has no bearing on spiritual truth. Every day of the week is connected to some pagan god, but Christians simply accept that and ignore it.

The7thColporteur · Apr 29, 2018

1stcenturylady said:
Everyone is of Seth. Cains line died in the flood.

*sigh* ...

BobRyan · Apr 29, 2018

1stcenturylady said:
Everyone is of Seth. Cains line died in the flood.

True.

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