COL 2:14-17 The REAL truth from God's Word

LoveGodsWord said:

No you have not proven anything. How can you claim that when you have not responded to the scriptures in God's WORD that disagree with you? You have only provided your own words over God's WORD.

Please go ahead and copy and paste your responses it makes no difference as the scriptures already provided that you have not responded to only show your in error.

Please provide where you say you have proven something. I am happy to re-post the scriptures that disagree with you and you have not responded to.

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Which ever way you want to spin it. SIN is the transgression of God's LAW (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4).

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

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Marco70 said:

I agree. When I read your post, it immediately struck me they must believe God fails to have unfailing love for his children, as he had for King David. For they say if you infringe the rules you are in danger of the fires of hell/placed in a condemned/unsaved state. That is not compatible with a loving God, and it disagrees with the core foundation upon which the NC stands:
Their sins and lawless deeds I will remember no more

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The7thColporteur said:

Remembered sins [ie forgotten sins], are in a differing location than the recorded sins in the books of Heaven.

[Books of Heaven]

God has various "books" of records that are kept:

Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. Exodus 32:32 KJB

And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book. Exodus 32:33 KJB

...Thou tellest my wanderings: put thou my tears into thy bottle: [are they] not in thy book. Psalms 56:8 KJB

...Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all [my members] were written, [which] in continuance were fashioned, when [as yet there was] none of them. Psalms 139:16 KJB

And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. Daniel 12:1 KJB

And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. Revelation 5:1 KJB

And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? Revelation 5:2 KJB

And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. Revelation 5:3 KJB

And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. Revelation 5:4 KJB

And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. Revelation 5:5 KJB

And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. Revelation 5:7 KJB

And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four [and] twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. Revelation 5:8 KJB

And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; Revelation 5:9 KJB

And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and [with] other my fellowlabourers, whose names [are] in the book of life. Philippians 4:3 KJB

He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. Revelation 3:5 KJB

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Revelation 13:8 KJB

The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. Revelation 17:8 KJB

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. Revelation 20:12 KJB

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:15 KJB

And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither [whatsoever] worketh abomination, or [maketh] a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life. Revelation 21:27 KJB

And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book. Revelation 22:19 KJB

Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous. Psalms 69:28 KJB

Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard [it], and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name. Malachi 3:16 KJB

I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: Deuteronomy 30:19 KJB

Gather unto me all the elders of your tribes, and your officers, that I may speak these words in their ears, and call heaven and earth to record against them. Deuteronomy 31:28 KJB

Also now, behold, my witness [is] in heaven, and my record [is] on high. Job 16:19

Moreover I call God for a record upon my soul, that to spare you I came not as yet unto Corinth. 2 Corinthians 1:23 KJB

For God is my record, how greatly I long after you all in the bowels of Jesus Christ. Philippians 1:8 KJB

And he spread it before me; and it [was] written within and without: and [there was] written therein lamentations, and mourning, and woe. Ezekiel 2:10 KJB

But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, [and] doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked [man] doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. Ezekiel 18:24 KJB

[[To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David, when Nathan the prophet came unto him, after he had gone in to Bathsheba.]] Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions. Psalms 51:1 KJB

Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine iniquities. Psalms 51:9 KJB

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; Acts 3:19 KJB

For though thou wash thee with nitre, and take thee much soap, [yet] thine iniquity is marked before me, saith the Lord GOD. Jeremiah 2:22 KJB

And cover not their iniquity, and let not their sin be blotted out from before thee: for they have provoked [thee] to anger before the builders. Nehemiah 4:5 KJB

Yet, LORD, thou knowest all their counsel against me to slay [me]: forgive not their iniquity, neither blot out their sin from thy sight, but let them be overthrown before thee; deal [thus] with them in the time of thine anger. Jeremiah 18:23 KJB

Let the iniquity of his fathers be remembered with the LORD; and let not the sin of his mother be blotted out. Psalms 109:14 KJB

Behold, [it is] written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom, Isaiah 65:6 KJB

Your iniquities, and the iniquities of your fathers together, saith the LORD, which have burned incense upon the mountains, and blasphemed me upon the hills: therefore will I measure their former work into their bosom. Isaiah 65:7 KJB​

If the book is read, then the sin can be remembered.

For instance, a parable of sorts. I have a set of car keys. I want to keep them in a safe place. I write down a location that I store them in for safe keeping. Months go by and I cannot remember them. If I look in the book, can I remember?

Heaven has books of Record.
God has a mind.

They are two things, not one. One can refresh the other.

Forgiveness can be revoked, as cited earlier:

A person can indeed lose their salvation, as it is written in Leviticus 23; Deuteronomy 30; 1 Samuel 10 & 1 Chronicles 10; Jeremiah 17; Ezekiel 3 & 33, Matthew 12 & 18; Acts 4-5; 1 Corinthians 15; Hebrews 6 & 10; James 1; 2 Peter; Revelation 3 KJB etc, and so on. - [link]

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The7thColporteur said:

It is infringing upon the Holy Spirit that is the danger, even as David said:

Mark 3:29 KJB - But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:

Psalms 19:13 KJB - Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.​

Again, you confuse "remember" [which is of the mind], with that which is "written" [of the record books].

I demonstrated here:

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listed said:

...My question is how can our righteousness exceed that of the scribes and Pharisees by keeping the same rules?...

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Marco70 said:

It is easy to just quote the letter, even I can do it!!

If we are faithless he remains faithful
For he cannot disown himself
2Tim 2:13

Therefore it does not depend on mans desire or effort but on God's mercy
Rom 9:16

Sin is the transgression of the law 1John3:4

Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law/not committing sin, rather through the law we become conscious of sin Rom 3:20

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The7thColporteur said:

Read again what I stated in regards the blasphemy of the Holy Ghost or the books of record, furthermore:

2 Samuel 22:26 KJB - With the merciful thou wilt shew thyself merciful, and with the upright man thou wilt shew thyself upright.

Psalms 18:25 KJB - With the merciful thou wilt shew thyself merciful; with an upright man thou wilt shew thyself upright;

Ecclesiastes 7:29 KJB - Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

Psalms 37:37 KJB - Mark the perfect man, and behold the upright: for the end of that man is peace.

Psalms 92:15 KJB - To shew that the LORD is upright: he is my rock, and there is no unrighteousness in him.

Psa_140:13 Surely the righteous shall give thanks unto thy name: the upright shall dwell in thy presence.

Exodus 20:6 KJB - And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Exodus 34:6 KJB - And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,

Romans 2:4 KJB - Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

Proverbs 10:29 KJB - The way of the LORD is strength to the upright: but destruction shall be to the workers of iniquity.

Proverbs 11:6 KJB - The righteousness of the upright shall deliver them: but transgressors shall be taken in their own naughtiness.

Psalms 59:5 KJB - Thou therefore, O LORD God of hosts, the God of Israel, awake to visit all the heathen: be not merciful to any wicked transgressors. Selah.​

You will be judge by the law of liberty, the Ten Commandments:

James 1:25 KJB - But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.​

James 2:12 KJB - So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Psalms 119:44 KJB - So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever.

Psalms 119:45 KJB - And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts.

Psalms 19:7 KJB - The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

Ecclesiastes 12:13 KJB - Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

Ecclesiastes 12:14 KJB - For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

2 Corinthians 5:10 KJB - For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Ecclesiastes 3:17 KJB - I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.



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Marco70 said:

But he has appeared once for all at the culmination of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Heb9:26...

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Marco70 said:

Nice to see you threw in one verse from the NT/covenant

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The7thColporteur said:

Pharisees didn't actually do/keep/perform the righteousess of the Law of God, they transgressed it, because they were not born again, as Jesus hath said was the need for even Nicodemus [John 3 KJB]:

Matthew 15:2 KJB - Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.

Matthew 15:3 KJB - But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?

Matthew 15:6 KJB - And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

Mark 7:3 KJB - For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.

Mark 7:5 KJB - Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?

Mark 7:8 KJB - For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

Mark 7:9 KJB - And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

Mark 7:13 KJB - Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Galatians 1:14 KJB - And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.

Colossians 2:8 KJB - Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
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God:

Exodus 20:6 KJB - And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Deuteronomy 5:10 KJB - And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.

Leviticus 22:31 KJB - Therefore shall ye keep my commandments, and do them: I am the LORD.
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Moses:

Deuteronomy 6:17 KJB - Ye shall diligently keep the commandments of the LORD your God, and his testimonies, and his statutes, which he hath commanded thee.

Deuteronomy 11:1 KJB - Therefore thou shalt love the LORD thy God, and keep his charge, and his statutes, and his judgments, and his commandments, alway.
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The Holy Ghost through Nehemiah said:

Nehmiah 1:9 KJB - But if ye turn unto me, and keep my commandments, and do them; though there were of you cast out unto the uttermost part of the heaven, yet will I gather them from thence, and will bring them unto the place that I have chosen to set my name there.​

The Holy Ghost through the psalmists said:

Psalms 78:7 KJB - That they might set their hope in God, and not forget the works of God, but keep his commandments:

Psalms 89:31 KJB - If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;

Psalms 103:18 KJB - To such as keep his covenant, and to those that remember his commandments to do them.

Psalms 119:60 KJB - I made haste, and delayed not to keep thy commandments.

Psalms 119:115 KJB - Depart from me, ye evildoers: for I will keep the commandments of my God.​

The Holy Ghost through Solomon said:

Proverbs 3:1 KJB - My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments:

Proverbs 4:4 KJB - He taught me also, and said unto me, Let thine heart retain my words: keep my commandments, and live.

Proverbs 7:1 KJB - My son, keep my words, and lay up my commandments with thee.

Proverbs 7:2 KJB - Keep my commandments, and live; and my law as the apple of thine eye.

Ecclesiastes 12:13 KJB - Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.​

The Holy Ghost said throuh Isaiah:

Isaiah 51:7 KJB - Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart is my law; fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings.​

The Holy Ghost through Daniel said:

Daniel 9:4 KJB - And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;​

Christ Jesus said:

Matthew 3:15 KJB - And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

Matthew 5:17 KJB - Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Matthew 19:17 KJB - And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

John 14:15 KJB - If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Exodus 20:6 KJB - And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

John 15:10 KJB - If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.​

Paul said:

Romans 2:27 KJB - And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?

Romans 8:4 KJB - That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Galatians 6:2 KJB - Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

1 Corinthians 7:19 KJB - Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Galatians 5:6 KJB - For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

Galatians 6:15 KJB - For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.​

James said, quoting scripture:

James 2:8 KJB - If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

James 1:25 KJB - But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

James 2:12 KJB - So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Psalms 119:44 KJB - So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever.

Psalms 119:45 KJB - And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts.

Psalms 19:7 KJB - The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
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John said:

1 John 2:3 KJB - And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

1 John 3:22 KJB - And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we
keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

1 John 5:2 KJB - By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

1 John5:3 KJB - For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
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The Holy Spirit through John said:

Revelation 12:17 KJB - And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12 KJB - Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Revelation 22:14 KJB - Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.​

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The7thColporteur said:

Yes. He does away with sin [Matthew 1;21; 1 John 3:4 KJB], not the Law [Matthew 5:17; Isaiah 42:21 KJB]. You have confused the two, that you think Christ Jesus did away with the Law [Ten Commandments],

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Marco70 said:

Quote where I stated Christ did away with the law?
If hyou cannot, I trust you will apologise for bearing false witness against me.

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The7thColporteur said:

Jesus, Paul, Peter, James, John, Jude, Matthew, Mark, Luke quote from the OT. It was the scriptures then. All of the scriptures I quoted deal with the New [Everlasting] Covenant, God's "My covenant". See John 14:15; Exodus 20:6 KJB.

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The7thColporteur said:

The Ten Commandments are to be obeyed by the Christian yes or no?

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Marco70 said:

Carry each others burdens(love them), and so fulfil(fulfil)the law of Christ Gal6:2

Of course, you could not therefore fulfil Christ's law if you demanded of others whjat you did not demand of yourself could you.
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If you love me obey ,my commandments.

I wonder how many quote that verse who do not even try to obey each and every literal command of Christ

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The7thColporteur said:

The Ten Commandments are to be obeyed by the Christian yes or no?

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The7thColporteur said:

Jesus, Paul, Peter, James, John, Jude, Matthew, Mark, Luke quote from the OT. It was the scriptures then. All of the scriptures I quoted deal with the New [Everlasting] Covenant, God's "My covenant". See John 14:15; Exodus 20:6 KJB.

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Marco70 said:

1) If you say you can only be in a saved state if you obey the TC, you place someone under a righteousness of obeying them. That is irrefutable. They can only be in a saved/righteous state before God if they then observe the law Paul referred to as the ministration of death and condemnation/the letter that kills.

The law God requires a Christian to follow is written on their mind and placed on their heart at the point of conversion(all sda on this website I have come across agree with that. And: Through the law we become conscious of sin.
I became conscious of much sin when I got saved
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Coveting, fibbing, not loving as I should, the list is endless, but I was never conscious of sin concerning failing to observe a set saturday sabbath

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