Baptism, upon, and indwelling of the Holy Spirit

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In another thread there was a comment about the difference between "upon" and "indwelling" so I looked for indwelling and didn't find it. So far, they have all been "upon".

From what I've read, in the following verse dwelling 'among' means dwelling 'within.'
Exo 25:8 And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them.
 
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From what I've read, in the following verse dwelling 'among' means dwelling 'within.'
Exo 25:8 And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them.
OP Query: Is there a more noticeable physical manifestation (empowerment) to accomplish a specific supernatural task (that's humanly impossible) when the Lord's Spirit is heavy/weighty "upon you" than when YHVH dwelt "among them" (e.g. Exodus 25:8) ... read again posts #1 & #2.

Apparently some think a scripture has a more powerful meaning when the Hebrew or Greek scripture is translated as "upon you" as compared to another Hebrew or Greek scripture translated as "among them." Why do you think it is that although YHVH dwelt among them in Exodus 25:8, and also dwelt among them during Temple times that the people still sinned? Is it because they didn't have the indwelling "baptism" of the Lord's Spirit of Truth within them as did the Lord's Apostles?

Ezekiel 36:27
I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances.
Isn't Ezekiel 36:27 referring to a future time when the indwelling "baptism" of the Lord's Spirit of Truth is more crucial when within you than when among the Israelites (Exodus 25:8). The Way is to Trust and Obey having the indwelling presence of the LORDS Spirit of Truth. Adam and Eve didn't have the indwelling baptism of the Lord's Spirit of Truth, nor did the Sadducees and Pharisees or they would have recognized Yeshua as Israel's Messiah.
 
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From what I've read, in the following verse dwelling 'among' means dwelling 'within.'
Exo 25:8 And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them.
"among" gives the impression of outside surrounding rather than inside aboding.
 
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David said Ps 51:11 Take not your Holy Spirit from me?" Was he baptized [upon or within] in the spirit? and can he lose it as he is indicating with this question?

That's an interesting question

Did the old testament prophets have a different type of annointing than what the believers received in the Book of Acts?

The New testament quotes the spirit remained on Jesus ( John 1:32 )
Elsewhere in the Bible ( OT ) there is some indication that the Spirit left a person...

2 Chronicles 18:23
Then Zedekiah son of Kenaanah went up and slapped Micaiah in the face. "Which way did the spirit from the LORD go when he went from me to speak to you?" he asked.

The above verse may indicate a false Spirit rather than the Spirit of God?
King Saul was considered to be a prophet yet later did not Satan enter into him?
 
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"among" gives the impression of outside surrounding rather than inside aboding.
According to the Jewish commentaries I read, that verse means indwelling. That is also how Paul interpreted it.
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
(2Co 6:16)
 
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Moses' face glowed from being in the Presence of God [among] but nothing indicates that he was baptised in the spirit.

It wasn't Moses that actually did most of the miracles, apart from the separation of the Jordan, and the water from the rock
 
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It isn't actually any human that does miracles.


Haha! It was Aaron that G_d told to do the necessary actions that preceded the miracles, except the Jordan (first time) and the water from the rock.
 
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Haha! It was Aaron that G_d told to do the necessary actions that preceded the miracles, except the Jordan (first time) and the water from the rock.
Still no human performs the miracles, God does that. Those involved in preparing the people for the miracles, in this case, would start with God telling Aaron what to do.
 
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Still no human performs the miracles, God does that. Those involved in preparing the people for the miracles, in this case, would start with God telling Aaron what to do.

Exodus 6:26-27 and 7:1ff G_d told Moses, who then told Aaron what he had to do.
 
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Ok.. still no homan performs the miracle.

The miracles happened with no human input apart from Moses' and Aaron's ears, eyes, voices, hands and arms. OK? Oh, and all the relevant muscles and fluids etc within their human bodies.

If you wish to be really pedantic 'human' is spelled with a 'u' :)

BTW. Yeshua was human (Phil.2) were his miracles false?
 
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The miracles happened with no human input apart from Moses' and Aaron's ears, eyes, voices, hands and arms. OK? Oh, and all the relevant muscles and fluids etc within their human bodies.

If you wish to be really pedantic 'human' is spelled with a 'u' :)

BTW. Yeshua was human (Phil.2) were his miracles false?
While the roles of the humans in the interaction, the miracle department remains with God. Humans can dance, sing, babble, pray, do set rituals, say canitations, etc etc etc... but without God there is no miracle.
 
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While the roles of the humans in the interaction, the miracle department remains with God. Humans can dance, sing, babble, pray, do set rituals, say canitations, etc etc etc... but without God there is no miracle.

So Yeshua did not do any miracles?
 
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I would say miracles done by us ( through God )require faith. In Moses's case i think it was obedience that was needed as he was instructed to do the miracles by God. I think Jesus consulted with the father about what miracles to perform and also what to say. He did the fathers will.

If miracles didn't depend on us in some way then we would have many miracles. Without faith miracles rarely happen. Doesn't it take someone to have faith to receive the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. Faith comes through hearing the word of God. If the Baptism of the Holy Spirit isn't taught then no-one will have the faith to receive it. Without the Baptism of the Holy Spirit can one work miracles?
 
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