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That s the problem with OSAS people say they don’t need to do good works to be saved yet if someone doesn’t do them that person was never saved? How does that make any sense?

Its extreme reaction to Catholicism's focus on penance. Unfortunately you have the evangelical majority focusing on faith alone, and the Catholic majority focusing on works more-

This is why I am Orthodox, we try to keep balance in all things, and keep the full following of scripture, not just the parts we like.

I feel too much of protestant/evangelical theology and doctrine is trying to be non-catholic too much instead of just focusing on truth.
 
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Even if you try to make an argument for faith alone, there is still nowhere in scripture that says just because you had faith for a moment you are saved for eternity.
 
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That s the problem with OSAS people say they don’t need to do good works to be saved yet if someone doesn’t do them that person was never saved? How does that make any sense?
The only ones who say that are antinomials. I have never met an antinomial.
Every person I have ever talked to about eternal security not one of them has ever said because they have eternal security, "Great I can now go live in sin because I am saved".
 
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Its extreme reaction to Catholicism's focus on penance. Unfortunately you have the evangelical majority focusing on faith alone, and the Catholic majority focusing on works more-

This is why I am Orthodox, we try to keep balance in all things, and keep the full following of scripture, not just the parts we like.

I feel too much of protestant/evangelical theology and doctrine is trying to be non-catholic too much instead of just focusing on truth.

This is why I love my Orthodox brothers and sisters. They don’t make assumptions they just do what the scriptures say and they know the truth. We can learn a lot from the Orthodox Church. They know how to put the early church father’s writings into the proper context. They’re humble and polite and very headstrong.
 
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You do know that the word zealous means having great enthusiasm right?
Absolutely. Christians must be extremely enthusiastic about doing good works, which includes the care of widows and orphans according to James. Widows were being neglected in the Jerusalem church, so deacons were appointed to ensure that they were looked after. And the apostle John tells us that there is no point is pronouncing a blessing when we are not prepared to meet another brother's physical needs. James says the same thing.

Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world. (Jas 1:27)

What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. (Jas 2:14-17).

We need to be clear that these instructions are not in order to secure salvation, but in order to DEMONSTRATE salvation.
 
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The only ones who say that are antinomials. I have never met an antinomial.
Every person I have ever talked to about eternal security not one of them has ever said because they have eternal security, "Great I can now go live in sin because I am saved".

But they don’t seem to know what being born again is. If your living the same sinful life before you were baptized your not born again. Faith is more than believing. The Greek word pistis also means faithfulness and fidelity.
 
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That s the problem with OSAS people say they don’t need to do good works to be saved yet if someone doesn’t do them that person was never saved? How does that make any sense?
It makes perfect sense when we understand that God saves sinners so that they may do good works.

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. (Eph 2:10).

So someone can claim all they want that they are saved, but the absence of good works proves that they are self-deceived.
 
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The only ones who say that are antinomials. I have never met an antinomial.
Every person I have ever talked to about eternal security not one of them has ever said because they have eternal security, "Great I can now go live in sin because I am saved".

My brother thinks it’s ok to get drunk everyday and smoke marijuana because Jesus paid for his sins. His exact words.
 
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Just so that I can contribute something to this discussion, let me quote a writing of one of the earliest Christian leaders.

From the Epistle of Barnabas ~100 AD:

The Lord will judge the world without respect of persons. Each will receive as he has done: if he is righteous, his righteousness will precede him; if he is wicked, the reward of wickedness is before him. Take heed, lest resting at our ease, as those who are the called [of God], we should fall asleep in our sins, and the wicked prince, acquiring power over us, should thrust us away from the kingdom of the Lord. And all the more attend to this, my brethren, when you reflect and behold, that after so great signs and wonders were wrought in Israel, they were thus [at length] abandoned. Let us beware lest we be found [fulfilling that saying], as it is written, Many are called, but few are chosen.
 
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It makes perfect sense when we understand that God saves sinners so that they may do good works.

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. (Eph 2:10).

So someone can claim all they want that they are saved, but the absence of good works proves that they are self-deceived.

We do good works out of compassion for others and so that others may see God’s glory by the Holy Spirit working through us. When I help someone in need I always say God bless you brother so that they know who to thank for the help. They know that God sent me to help them. This way they can give thanks and praise to God.
 
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Who are we to judge our works righteous before God? How do you know if you are truly repentant and acting righteously before the Lord?

Is it not true that the judgment of man is one thing and the judgment of God is another?

There were once so-called men of God who burned people accused of withcraft, apostasy, or heresies, just to name a few things. There were so-called men of God who murdered others to reclaim land or acquire new land and political power. There was once a so-called man of God not too long ago who invented new heresies, causing schism, and then would not forgive another man who opposed him. This wolf then ruthlessly used his political power to have his opponent executed. I am baffled how his doctrines still permeate the theology of many modern Christian churches. Can an unforgiving murderer speak truth?

I am getting off an a tangent.. Forgive me.

My point is that these men all thought they were acting righteously before God,while it is plain that these things are contrary to Christ's commandments.
 
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This site addresses many serious heresies--e.g. Momonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, and eternal security. I consider it particularly urgent to refute the eternal security heresy because of its status as the Gospel of cheap grace and because of the way it unintentionally condones backsliding. Let me illustrate.

A Baptist preacher in my home town gave an altar call after an evangelistic sermon. To motivate sinners to come forward, he bellowed: "If you come forward and sincerely ask Jesus to save you, you can curse God to His face as you leave here, and nothing can away your salvation!" OSASers try unsuccessfully to distance themselves from such examples. Beginning tomorrow night, I will present one Scripture each night that refutes this blasphemous heresy. So stay tuned and please engage.
 
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This site addresses many serious heresies--e.g. Momonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, and eternal security. I consider it particularly urgent to refute the eternal security heresy because of its status as the Gospel of cheap grace and because of the way it unintentionally condones backsliding. Let me illustrate.

A Baptist preacher in my home town gave an altar call after an evangelistic sermon. To motivate sinners to come forward, he bellowed: "If you come forward and sincerely ask Jesus to save you, you can curse God to His face as you leave here, and nothing can away your salvation!" OSASers try unsuccessfully to distance themselves from such examples. Beginning tomorrow night, I will present one Scripture each night that refutes this blasphemous heresy. So stay tuned and please engage.
You will encounter innumerable counter scriptures, my friend.

And please be aware, that to say that grace cost something is unbiblical. What does it cost us? Nothing. If we work for it, or if it cost us something, it is no more grace, as Paul teaches us in Romans.

Now, I speak this to all:

Our faith, repentance, and good works are us working out our salvation in the sense that we are striving to enter into the narrow gate of true love and communion with God. We are constantly wrestling against the principalities and powers of darkness, which stem from the enemy and our own sinful habits. This is the true struggle of our faith. God does not withhold grace from the humble repentant sinner who seeks salvation in Christ. But when Christ returns, will He find faith on the earth? Will He find those who seek the kingdom and His righteousness? Or will He find us seeking to indulge our sins, beating our fellow servants with criticisms and unrighteous judgments and condemnations, attacking them with hateful words and ruthlessness in our hearts? Will God save someone who chooses Satan over Christ? No. Will He save someone who is unforgiving and shows no mercy to others? No.

Many will say, 'True Christians don't do these evil things!'

You speak truly! Nevertheless, are you yourself unaware of your countless sins before God, and do you still deem yourself a true Christian who possesses evidence of true faith by your works? What righteous works will you bring forth as evidence of your faith? Why do you overlook the far more vile sins that make your good works of no value? Now do you see that we are truly at the mercy of God?

This does not avert us from doing good works and having faith, but let us never think that we have sufficient grounds for assuming our salvation is secure since we cannot even prove ourselves true Christians! And until we recognize ourselves as the chief of sinners like the blessed apostle Paul, we should tremble at the thought of standing before God, being so presumptuous in our pride that salvation is assured to us. It is impossible that someone who deems the self a chief of sinners, truthfully, to consider himself to be guaranteed anything good, especially salvation. Thus, he ceaselessly cries out to God with godly sorrow over his continuous offenses against Christ and all creation, perpetually repenting and seeking to live more like Christ so that he will never be separated from the bridegroom he yearns to be with for eternity. The chief of sinners does not expect eternal life to be given to him; he hopes for salvation and he seeks it through many tears, prayers, and repentance in his utter humility, for he who humbles himself shall be exalted.
 
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You will encounter innumerable counter scriptures, my friend.

And please be aware, that to say that grace cost something is unbiblical. What does it cost us? Nothing. If we work for it, or if it cost us something, it is no more grace, as Paul teaches us in Romans.

Now, I speak this to all:

Our faith, repentance, and good works are us working out our salvation in the sense that we are striving to enter into the narrow gate of true love and communion with God. We are constantly wrestling against the principalities and powers of darkness, which stem from the enemy and our own sinful habits. This is the true struggle of our faith. God does not withhold grace from the humble repentant sinner who seeks salvation in Christ. But when Christ returns, will He find faith on the earth? Will He find those who seek the kingdom and His righteousness? Or will He find us seeking to indulge our sins, beating our fellow servants with criticisms and unrighteous judgments and condemnations, attacking them with hateful words and ruthlessness in our hearts? Will God save someone who chooses Satan over Christ? No. Will He save someone who is unforgiving and shows no mercy to others? No.

Many will say, 'True Christians don't do these evil things!'

You speak truly! Nevertheless, are you yourself unaware of your countless sins before God, and do you still deem yourself a true Christian who possesses evidence of true faith by your works? What righteous works will you bring forth as evidence of your faith? Why do you overlook the far more vile sins that make your good works of no value? Now do you see that we are truly at the mercy of God?

This does not avert us from doing good works and having faith, but let us never think that we have sufficient grounds for assuming our salvation is secure since we cannot even prove ourselves true Christians! And until we recognize ourselves as the chief of sinners like the blessed apostle Paul, we should tremble at the thought of standing before God, being so presumptuous in our pride that salvation is assured to us. It is impossible that someone who deems the self a chief of sinners, truthfully, to consider himself to be guaranteed anything good, especially salvation. Thus, he ceaselessly cries out to God with godly sorrow over his continuous offenses against Christ and all creation, perpetually repenting and seeking to live more like Christ so that he will never be separated from the bridegroom he yearns to be with for eternity. The chief of sinners does not expect eternal life to be given to him; he hopes for salvation and he seeks it through many tears, prayers, and repentance in his utter humility, for he who humbles himself shall be exalted.


All this stuff is good...crying ,repenting,prayers,etc.Unfortunately, none of it will save you.Poor, well- meaning Paul claimed to be chief of sinners.All I can say is “step aside,Paul, there’s a new kid in town”.You can jump through all the hoops you want,,,I think I will simply takeJesus for His word..Paul said if we simply believe his Gospel (1cor15:1-4) we WILL be saved.That would leave those in your sweat it out , kinda trust Jesus camp in trouble.Paul said that if you add to his Gospel you are Perverting it and you are “ fallen from grace”. Preach that perverted Godpel and you are “ accursed”I hope newbie Christians will recognize this false Gospel and realize that if they simply trust Jesus He will put His Spirit in you and you will “ find” yourself living a life that pleases God— only He can change you from the inside out.Faith in the Blood of Christ——plus nothing.He will finish the work He started if you have the faith to let Him.God bless.
 
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All this stuff is good...crying ,repenting,prayers,etc.Unfortunately, none of it will save you.Poor, well- meaning Paul claimed to be chief of sinners.All I can say is “step aside,Paul, there’s a new kid in town”.You can jump through all the hoops you want,,,I think I will simply takeJesus for His word..Paul said if we simply believe his Gospel (1cor15:1-4) we WILL be saved.That would leave those in your sweat it out , kinda trust Jesus camp in trouble.Paul said that if you add to his Gospel you are Perverting it and you are “ fallen from grace”. Preach that perverted Godpel and you are “ accursed”I hope newbie Christians will recognize this false Gospel and realize that if they simply trust Jesus He will put His Spirit in you and you will “ find” yourself living a life that pleases God— only He can change you from the inside out.Faith in the Blood of Christ——plus nothing.He will finish the work He started if you have the faith to let Him.God bless.
Did I say that our works would save us? I clearly said that they do not. You are not understanding me very well.

And how do you dare say, "Step aside, Paul..."?

First, if you define "believe his Gospel" incorrectly, then you will find yourself guilty of believing a lie. Nothing of what I said is a false Gospel. Unless you are prepared to stand before the Judge, Christ our God, and boldly condemn me as a heretic, perhaps it is wise for you not to falsely accuse me of something I did not say.

I don't think I will convince you of anything. If you have misunderstood and misinterpreted my previous words, I have no doubts that you will most likely do the same thing with this post.


To the pure, all things are pure:
but you choose to see my words in a skewed way.
 
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I am amazed at how anyone can think salvation is insecure. God made it so clear its all about what Jesus did for us and not our works. The gospels make this so clear as well as Romans where God contrast the difference between those who are trying to earn their way into heaven by doing works or good deeds or some form of obedience as apposed to faith in the God who justifies the ungodly.

Furthermore there are so many examples that make it clear that salvation is secure. We are predestined not to be saved but to become like Jesus. Salvation is eternal, which if you lost it, then God lied. Then there is the fact that we are already buried and raised with Christ. We are already a new creation now, not later if we continue doing good. The fact that God speaks of circumcision of the heart. Circumcision can not be undone, so neither can salvation.

One a person is saved they are a child of God. The concept when that was written had no concept of the idea of a someone who is a child becoming not a child. Even now the concept is not possible. Even if you don't like your parents you can never change the fact that you will always be the child of your parents.

So, there for the secure salvationist their god is more than willing to take their child that they claim to love to no end and throw them into a horrible burning fire that will never end. I don't know any normal or healthy parent that would ever throw their child into a fire for punishment. So if that is god, then his creation is better the god himself, and that god needs to learn what basic love is.

If Jesus died on the cross and suffered so he can guilt us and make us feel bad, then you can keep it. I have enough without that level of guilt.

But praise God, the true God freely forgives, justifies the ungodly, saves murders, rapist, incest people, adulters, drunkards, those who lived their whole life living for self and more. These categories are people in the Bible. The true God, loves us freely and at a level we could never fully imagine this side of eternity.

No matter what we do, we are always forgiven, loved and accepted. The insecure condemning god makes me want to live in sin and be as far away from him as possible. The unconditional loving God, makes me want to run to Him and when I sin, to run to Him all the more.

Love is a far better motivation to live right than threats of beatings and the worst torment ever, that being hell. People that love to preach insecure salvation do so because they are full of so much extreme pride because they think themselves perfect or close to it. Those who know salvation is secure realize that their is nothing in them that could ever save them or keep their salvation so they run to love and the God who freely justifies them.

Be Blessed.

It would be great if we couldn't lose our salvation... but the bible is full of verses that says otherwise. God bless you and let us all continue in faith to our dear loving Father and Son Jesus Christ, Amen!

"But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree, do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you. You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either." /Rom 11:17-21

There is not much I have to add to what Paul says here.

"if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin" /1 John 1:7

In other words, if we stop walking in the light we no longer have fellowship with Christ.

And the Lord said, “Who then is the faithful and sensible steward, whom his master will put in charge of his servants, to give them their rations at the proper time? Blessed is that slave whom his master finds so doing when he comes. Truly I say to you that he will put him in charge of all his possessions. But if that slave says in his heart, ‘My master will be a long time in coming,’ and begins to beat the slaves, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk; 46 the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces, and assign him a place with the unbelievers. /Luk 12:41-46

Jesus talks about believers that doesn't take Christ coming very seriously and think that it won't matter how they live their life. Those believers will have their place with unbelievers.

"You will be hated by all because of My name, but it is the one who has endured to the end who will be saved." /Matt 10:22

Jesus is clear, you have to endure to the end to be saved.

"Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain." / 1 Cor 5:1-2

Paul says that we have to hold fast to the word to be saved or else we have believed in vain.

"yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach-- if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister." / Col 1:22-23

If you continue in faith being steadfast, then you won't be moved away from the hope of the gospel, meaningly salvation.
 
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No matter what we do, we are always forgiven, loved and accepted. The insecure condemning god makes me want to live in sin and be as far away from him as possible. The unconditional loving God, makes me want to run to Him and when I sin, to run to Him all the more.

Look here I think I know where this is coming from. What you need is coming close to his heart, to really know him, learn to love him like your own dad, and you will be secure in your faith, not that you never can fall away, but you love your Father and you know that He loves you even more. Nothing can pull you out of his hands, NOTHING! Do you hear me? For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord (Rom 8:38). But we have to keep walking with Christ and not going back to live in sin.

God bless you! I will pray for you! The Lord is LOVE! As he gave up his only Son to set all men free from the chains of darkness! Such is the love of God.

Christ love,

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Its not that they can't, its that they choose not too. Just like the Pharisees who refused to accept that God would forgive sinners apart from the law.

I don't as a rule give verses because those who in the insecure salvation camp go to the Bible with a concept that one verse cancels out another.

But to the fact that we are the children of God, is John 1:12. To those who believe, not perform he gave the power to become the children of God. Ga 3:26 - We are the children of God. There are many others, if you do a google search you can find them.

If a person does not like their parents can they go somewhere and somehow have all their genetic make up changed or get a different body so that they will no longer be their parents child - no. You can't undo being the child of your parents. In like manner you can't undo being a child of God once saved.

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It's OK to use what we understand to try and understand God, for instance saying that we are always our parent's children. There is, however a limit to this --- God is God Almighty, not a human father.
We can be a child of God for as long as we wish to be? Can I not change my mind? Maybe something could happen to me to make me become an unbeliever again?

You posted:

John 1:12
To THOSE WHO BELIEVE He gave the right to be called children of God.
What if I stop believing?

Galatians 3:26
We are all sons of God THROUGH FAITH in Jesus.
What if I stop having faith in Jesus?
 
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It's OK to use what we understand to try and understand God, for instance saying that we are always our parent's children. There is, however a limit to this --- God is God Almighty, not a human father.
We can be a child of God for as long as we wish to be? Can I not change my mind? Maybe something could happen to me to make me become an unbeliever again?

You posted:

John 1:12
To THOSE WHO BELIEVE He gave the right to be called children of God.
What if I stop believing?

Galatians 3:26
We are all sons of God THROUGH FAITH in Jesus.
What if I stop having faith in Jesus?


Your opponents will argue that the logical conclusion is that only a true believer and disciple of Christ will always have faith and believe in the Son of God. They say that it is impossible for a true Christian to lose their faith, to fall away, and not to persevere until the end. Primarily, those of the reformed position maintain this, since they basically say that God's will prevails in matters of salvation. Thus, if God wills someone to be saved, they will be saved regardless of their own will. God will override their will with His irresistible grace. This is a caricature, I'm sure, but that is the basics of how I view their ludicrous doctrines.
 
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If you are actually seeking, then wow. You are gold. Because most people just in the insecure camp that I have experience totally disregard anything said or verses quoted.

Your posting seems very genuine. You are very refreshing.

Does God require us to obey the commandments - No. Not for salvation. The commandments that we are to obey is to believe in Jesus and love one another.

1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
I always listen to what persons are saying.
1 John 3:23 reminds me of the two Great Commandments of Jesus:
Love God with all your heart, and soul, and mind.
Love your neighbor as yourself.
Mathew 22:37-39

If we follow these two commandments of Jesus, we are, in effect, following all of the 10 commandments. And yet you say that we're not required to follow the 10 commandments.

Why don't we have to obey the commandments, for two reasons. One because Jesus full filled the law. If you have a loan and you have paid it all off, thus full filling your obligation I suggest don't make any more payments.

Mat 5:17 "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill.
Jesus came to fulfill the law, to make it complete, to fulfill the prophecy, just as He fulfilled many other prophecies.

Has the loan been paid off?

2 Corinthians 1:22 states that God sealed us in the Holy Spirit as a pledge, or a down payment, of what can be accomplished in Christ, or, our salvation. This is repeated in Ephesians 1:14. This "earnest" or down payment was given by God through the Holy Spirit as an assurance of an INTENT to pay. The final reward will be paid in full when we enter heaven.

Also, the law was not really given as a set of requirements to be obeyed to earn salvation or standing with God. The purpose of the law was given until the Messiah Jesus would come.

Gal 3:19 So what was the law for? The law was given to show the wrong things people do. The law would continue until the special Descendant of Abraham came. This is the Descendant mentioned in the promise, which came directly from God. But the law was given through angels, and the angels used Moses as a mediator to give the law to the people.

The law was also given so that we could see that sin was indeed sinful and wrong.

Rom 5:20 The Law came, so that the full power of sin could be seen. Yet where sin was powerful, God's kindness was even more powerful.
Agreed. The law had no power to make us obey.

Finally Jesus did away with the law by full filling it. Therefore I don't mean did away in the sense that He abolished it but by fulfilling the requirements of it, God had the right to do away with it and implement what he always intend on implementing - Grace.

Col 2:14 God wiped out the charges that were against us for disobeying the Law of Moses. He took them away and nailed them to the cross.

Joh 1:17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came to be through Jesus Christ.

As to the what gets many upset at eternal security which is the idea then we can just willingly live in sin and they want to argue that eternal security gives them the right to do so without consequences.
Agreed again.
But re your last sentence...isn't this what you said above when you said we don't have to obey the commandments?

As far as salvation goes that is true but that does not mean that there is no consequences. If you know the story of Abraham and Lot, the bible calls Lot a righteous man.

2Pe 2:7 and if he rescued righteous Lot, greatly distressed by the sensual conduct of the wicked.

How can that be. When you read the story its hard to see that. He willingly choose to live in sin city. He was willing to give his daughters to a mob to be raped, he later lived in incest with them and he was a drunkard. How it can be is because God said it is the shedding of Blood that washes sins away.

Lev 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in its blood; and I have given it to you on the altar to take away your sin: for it is the blood which makes free from sin because of the life in it.

In the new covenant Jesus blood is for the washing away of our sins.

Eph 1:7 In whom we have salvation through his blood, the forgiveness of our sins, through the wealth of his grace,

But getting back to Abraham and Lot. Even though Lot was saved, he did not live a good life. In the end of his life he lived in a cave. By comparing Abraham's life and Lot's, you will see a distinct difference between those who would willing live in sin and those who would not.

Abraham was not without sin. Even to the extreme that he was willing to let another man have sex with his wife to save his life. So Abraham slipped up, but he did not live in that constant sin every day of his life.

If you have more questions feel free to ask.

Be Blessed

OK. I see what you mean about Abraham and Lot.
 
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