Has anyone already see Nephilim?

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I do not base my biblical believes on the Sistine Chapel--nor on the ideas of Leonardo or any of the others you mentioned. Biblical things, I prefer to go by the bible---you are free to believe in whatever else you wish.
The history of this world does not have to be considered "biblical".

The bible tells one account, and many Christians and Non-Christians dismiss it, based on the observations, assumptions, speculation and musings of mere men.

There is also history, recorded, discovered and presented by Non Christians, that perfectly aligns with the biblical canon.

The history of the world is the history of the world... Period....

Whether you gain information about this history from the canon or the secular texts.... does not change what is true and what is in error.

So, you may not consider The Book of Enoch, The Book of Jubilee, The Book of Jasher or the writings of Josephus to be Canon... but they are parallel to the Canon and reinforce while giving more information about the events that take place in the Canonized scripture which is what all knowledge should be founded on.
 
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I don't know if it was true or not. I have amnesia and I don't know if my memories are true or if they are just my imagination. It was rather 30', not 6'.

It is not on the front page news (if it is true) because everything related to free masonry is kept secret.

If the Bible tell the truth about paranormal stuff (for the nephilim for example) it is kept secret too.
Freemasonry is not a secret and it's the "Rosicrucians" who are the 'authorities' on the Watchers and the Nephilim, not the freemasons.

With that being said---don't give in to superstitions concerning these things.
 
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No there isn't--you just choose to ignore what is out there that does contradict it. Even though with that contradiction, everything in scriptures is more aligned with itself and with the character of God and with genetics, the science of DNA and just plain old common sense.



It's just that there are some people, who when there is a seeming contradiction, will research the original wording, see what other verses say, see what the very character of God would show with each idea and choose what is more aligned with everything than to go off on something that God says can not be done--they are not our kind!

"and the sons of the Elohiym saw the daughters of the human, that they were functional, and took for them women from all which they chose,"

Doesn't change what it means--and the large print does not make it true. Yes009it is very sad that people will choose to believe in what fallen angels want us to think than what God says--they are not our kind. And people who believe what is not true, will be led astray by other seeming wonders when Satan unleashes. Why something that does not add up with the character of God and what all other scripture says and prefer the words of fallen angels and men, is beyond me.
There are also those who will search in every direction and leave no rock unturned in order to prove some supernatural awesome unusual event of biblical proportions into simple and common myth... only because their finite mind cannot expand enough to accept that things were pretty wild and different back then.
 
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It will get as in the days of Noah---when God had to step in and destroy a world because--
Gen_6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
We are already as wicked as it was, in many respects, in the days of Noah.
The differences that are in their early stages, now, is the mingling of flesh of men, animals, and angelic/demonic beings. When this really takes off... it will truly be as it was in the days of Noah.

The other sins of mankind have existed for millennia.. but not the mingling of flesh.
 
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They had the evil whisperings that go on with the evil angels---but that does not equate to having sex with the angels and producing babies with a species that are not human. Why can you not accept that they are not our kind and can not reproduce? Do you think the power of God, that power that spoke a world into existence, and said "after their kind" is too weak to be obeyed?? When He speaks the very element obey His voice. When a pig can naturally produce offspring with an elephant, or a woman produce offspring with a gorilla (they are supposedly our next of kin)--let me know.
Why can you not accept that they can, they did, and they will have inter species and inter being sexual relations?
 
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No they didn't; it was never part of the Bible.
There is a church in Ethiopia that is said to have the original Book of Enoch... I believe it is the work of Satan that is behind the whole idea of discrediting this fact.

Think of it.... would Satan want everyone to know that what is written in that book was written by the man who was so righteous that he walked with God and then God took him?

Seriously.. Satan want this to be forgotten and rejected.
 
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They still can not go against a direct command of God--after it's kind. Why is it so hard to believe that God destroyed a world because it's inhabitants were riddled in sin? We'd rather come up with this stuff than to admit to our own depravity--Satan doesn't have to work all that hard to get us to sin. Just a little whispering will do--he doesn't even have to shout. Got to go--good night for now.
When God gave the command, "after their kind" it was that the animals would continue to reproduce with their kind. Men, over all centuries have mixed plants and animals in order to get different things... What is a Mule?

They have found that after a few interbreeding cycles... the offspring are sterile and there is a built in code to stop further hybridization...

The fallen angels have knowledge far beyond ours and have the ability to unlock this DNA code and create more corrupt beings.
 
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We are already as wicked as it was, in many respects, in the days of Noah.
The differences that are in their early stages, now, is the mingling of flesh of men, animals, and angelic/demonic beings. When this really takes off... it will truly be as it was in the days of Noah.

The other sins of mankind have existed for millennia.. but not the mingling of flesh.

There never has been any mingling---after their kind--direct command from God that no creature can override.
 
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When God gave the command, "after their kind" it was that the animals would continue to reproduce with their kind. Men, over all centuries have mixed plants and animals in order to get different things... What is a Mule?

They have found that after a few interbreeding cycles... the offspring are sterile and there is a built in code to stop further hybridization...

The fallen angels have knowledge far beyond ours and have the ability to unlock this DNA code and create more corrupt beings.

Man can do things--but nature can not. A pig can not produce a horse--not naturally, what man, with science labs will do, is another story. Nature can not go against the creator of nature. A mule is the mingling of 2 equines--and they are sterile. A Chihuahua and a Great Dane can produce puppies--providing, of course, the Great Dane is the female and the male gets a little levitation help. But they are both canines. Science can implant into a sheep the heart of a baboon, but a sheep can not naturally produce a baboon. Su9ch crossing also entails anti-rejection meds. Even transplants between 2 humans, no matter how closely related, still require anti-rejection meds. The sperm of one species will be rejected by the eggs of another--DNA incompatibility. That can even happen with humans, which it did happen to a friend of mine, she killed her husbands sperm--sort of allergic to it you might say-they adopted. Comingling of DNA is not as simple as it sounds in science fiction stories. There are ligers, mix between lions and tigers---still both felines, zebras and donkey---both equine---again, show me a natural birth of a penguin by a reindeer and you might have something.
 
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There is a church in Ethiopia that is said to have the original Book of Enoch... I believe it is the work of Satan that is behind the whole idea of discrediting this fact.

Think of it.... would Satan want everyone to know that what is written in that book was written by the man who was so righteous that he walked with God and then God took him?

Seriously.. Satan want this to be forgotten and rejected.


Or it was originally his concept to begin with and God has kept it under wraps, except for those that insist. He doesn't force everyone to believe what they should.
 
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Do you really believe Christ pulled demons out of a man? How could you marvel at angels mating with humans, but you don't bat an eye at RESURRECTION, or demons physically inhabiting a body, and being physically removed?

I do not doubt what the word of God states, why should I? It just does not state what you say it does and it has been shown you but you refuse to accept it preferring the made up stories of man. It is your right to do so, it is my right to stand against it.
 
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Why can you not accept that they can, they did, and they will have inter species and inter being sexual relations?


Because God said they can't, because the scriptures do not state what you say they do. Why can't you accept the fact that this never happened and can not as it goes against a direct command of God?
 
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I do not doubt what the word of God states, why should I? It just does not state what you say it does and it has been shown you but you refuse to accept it preferring the made up stories of man. It is your right to do so, it is my right to stand against it.

So when the Word, according to you, says that the SONS OF GOD mated with the DAUTHERS OF MAN, you are being purposefully ignorant?

Adam lost his dominion and was demoted to a son of man. The only two humans in the bible that are named sons of God are 1) Adam, and 2) Christ. Look it up. You may hear people being called sons of God because of spiritual identity, but no one in their geneaologies or identity has ever been substantatively called the Son of God except those two.

Why, then, would you assume those Sons of God are humans? Seth is a son of man.

So, if you can believe that Christ literally and physically pulled demons out of a man, and literally put them into swine, why can't you believe your own canon when it says that the sons of God mated with the daughters of men, and they bore children?

Why would God need to tell us that a human and human get to get together and have a kid if it was natural, and Adam and Eve had already been doing it? I don't think you are receiving what you are looking for.


Now, with all of that said, you still don't see the irony in accusing me of following men when you are garnering your authority from a collection of text written by men, and compiled by men? I really do hope you find what you are looking for, but you understand I cant continue with you. It isn't spiritually beneficial for either of us.
 
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Man can do things--but nature can not. A pig can not produce a horse--not naturally, what man, with science labs will do, is another story. Nature can not go against the creator of nature. A mule is the mingling of 2 equines--and they are sterile. A Chihuahua and a Great Dane can produce puppies--providing, of course, the Great Dane is the female and the male gets a little levitation help. But they are both canines. Science can implant into a sheep the heart of a baboon, but a sheep can not naturally produce a baboon. Su9ch crossing also entails anti-rejection meds. Even transplants between 2 humans, no matter how closely related, still require anti-rejection meds. The sperm of one species will be rejected by the eggs of another--DNA incompatibility. That can even happen with humans, which it did happen to a friend of mine, she killed her husbands sperm--sort of allergic to it you might say-they adopted. Comingling of DNA is not as simple as it sounds in science fiction stories. There are ligers, mix between lions and tigers---still both felines, zebras and donkey---both equine---again, show me a natural birth of a penguin by a reindeer and you might have something.
Wait until you see what the demonic forces of Satan are going to do, if not doing already, with the willing hands of scientists of this world, in their naivety, believing that they are doing things that are better for mankind... all the while they are the hands of Satan and in service for his agenda.

The Nazi's, in the 30's did have one successful hybridization of man with an ape.... You really should look into this....
 
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Or it was originally his concept to begin with and God has kept it under wraps, except for those that insist. He doesn't force everyone to believe what they should.
Sorry, I don't know what you are trying to say here.
 
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I do not doubt what the word of God states, why should I? It just does not state what you say it does and it has been shown you but you refuse to accept it preferring the made up stories of man. It is your right to do so, it is my right to stand against it.
If you do not doubt what the word of God states... why do you doubt when His word tells us the "The sons of God took HUMAN women for wives"?
 
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Because God said they can't, because the scriptures do not state what you say they do. Why can't you accept the fact that this never happened and can not as it goes against a direct command of God?
Show me where God says they cannot.
 
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So when the Word, according to you, says that the SONS OF GOD mated with the DAUTHERS OF MAN, you are being purposefully ignorant?

Adam lost his dominion and was demoted to a son of man. The only two humans in the bible that are named sons of God are 1) Adam, and 2) Christ. Look it up. You may hear people being called sons of God because of spiritual identity, but no one in their geneaologies or identity has ever been substantatively called the Son of God except those two.

Why, then, would you assume those Sons of God are humans? Seth is a son of man.

So, if you can believe that Christ literally and physically pulled demons out of a man, and literally put them into swine, why can't you believe your own canon when it says that the sons of God mated with the daughters of men, and they bore children?

Why would God need to tell us that a human and human get to get together and have a kid if it was natural, and Adam and Eve had already been doing it? I don't think you are receiving what you are looking for.


Now, with all of that said, you still don't see the irony in accusing me of following men when you are garnering your authority from a collection of text written by men, and compiled by men? I really do hope you find what you are looking for, but you understand I cant continue with you. It isn't spiritually beneficial for either of us.


I will oost this yet again, not that you will read it or accept it:

"The word "nephilim" as used in Gen 6:4 and Num 13:33 is simply an anglocizing of the Hebrew word nephiyl. If it were to be translated it would be simply "the fallen".
this opens up a whole new hermeneutical question about how then should we interpret these people described both before the flood in Gen 6 as "the fallen" and then again after the flood when the spies brought back their report about the promised land being filled with "the fallen" who are also described as giants.
Different interpretations have described the nephilim as fallen angels, others as fallen men, some have categorized only the sons of Cain as the nephilim in Gen 6, but then how are they reappearing after the flood? or if it is fallen angels, do we see the earth invaded by fallen angels not once but twice?
I think the most consistent view of the Nephilim would consist of those who have fallen away from faith and reliance upon God. Those who think that they can achieve greatness absent from God's presence.
[There were giants in the earth] npiliym , from naaphal , "he fell." Those who had apostatized or fallen from the true religion. The Septuagint translate the original word by gigantes, which literally signifies earth-born, and which we, following them, term giants, without having any reference to the meaning of the word, which we generally conceive to signify persons of enormous stature. But the word when properly understood makes a very just disinction between the sons of men and the sons of God; those were the nephilim , the fallen earth-born men, with the animal and devilish mind. These were the sons of God, who were born from above, children of the kingdom, because children of God. Hence, we may suppose originated the different appellatives given to sinners and saints, the former were termed gigantes (Greek), "earth-born", and the latter, hagioi , i.e. saints, persons not of the earth, or separated from the earth.
[The same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.] giboriym , which we render "mighty men", signifies properly conquerors, heroes, from gaabar , "he prevailed, was victorious." and °ansheey hashem , "men of the name," anthroopoi onomastoi , Septuagint; the same as we render men of renown, renominati, twice named, as the word implies, having one name which they derived from their fathers, and another which they acquired by their daring exploits and enterprises.
It may be necessary to remark here that our translators have rendered seven different Hebrew words by the one term giants, viz., nephilim. gibborim, enachim, rephaim, emim, and zamzummim; by which appellatives are probably meant in general persons of great knowledge, piety, courage, wickedness, etc., and not men of enormous stature, as is generally conjectured. (from Adam Clarke's Commentary, Electronic Database. Copyright © 1996, 2003, 2005, 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)
http://hermeneutics.stackexchange.c...english-equivalent-for-nephilim-of-genesis-64

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THE TARGUM OF ONKELOS
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THE BOOK BERESHITH
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GENESIS.
SECTION I.
BERESHITH BARA ELOHIM.

VI. And Noach was a son of five hundred years, and Noach begat Shem, Cham, and Japheth. And it was when the sons of men had begun to multiply upon the earth, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of the mighty[32] saw the daughters of men that they were beautiful, and took to them wives of all whom they pleased.[33] And the Lord said, This evil generation shall not stand before me for ever, because they are flesh, and their works are evil. A term (or length) will I give them, an hundred and twenty years, if they may be converted. Giants were in the earth in those days; and also when, after that the sons of the mighty had gone in unto the daughters of men, there were born from them giants who from of old were men of name.



And the Lord saw that the wickedness of man had multiplied in the earth, and that every formation (or image) of the thought of his heart was only evil every day. And it repented the Lord in His Word that He had made men upon the earth. And He said, (in His Word,)[34] that He would break their strength according to His pleasure. And the Lord said, Man whom I have made will I blot out[35] I from the face of the earth;‑from man to the beast, to the reptile, and to the fowls of heaven; because it repenteth Me in My Word that I have made them. But Noach found mercy before the Lord.


Targum

The targumim were spoken paraphrases, explanations and expansions of the Jewish scriptures that a rabbi would give in the common language of the listeners, which was then often Aramaic. That had become necessary near the end of the 1st century BCE, as the common language was in transition and Hebrew was used for little more than schooling and worship. The noun "Targum" is derived from the early semitic quadriliteral root trgm, and the Akkadian term targummanu refers to "translator, interpreter". It occurs in the Hebrew Bible in Ezra 4:7 "... and the writing of the letter was written in the Syrian tongue and interpreted in the Syrian tongue." Besides denoting the translations of the Bible, the term Targum also denote the oral rendering of Bible lections in synagogue, while the translator of the Bible was simply called hammeturgem. Other than the meaning "translate" the verb Tirgem also means "to explain". The word Targum refers to "translation" and argumentation or "explanation".
 
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