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But if there are Fake Jews there are Fake Christians, also.


Some Bible scholars believe the original Edomites were atheists. That is why they so easily "converted" en masse to being [fake] Jews.

Ironically, many "Russian" atheist Bolshevik "Jews", later feigned conversion to Christianity. But that was after Stalin created his Soviet [fake] church. Putin and his gang appear to be that same lying Edomite tribe.



Presuming that Christ will return as a Christian instead of a Jew....


Christ returns as He was when He left, an Israelite of the tribe of Judah.


But are there any Fake Jews at all amidst the Modern Jewish diaspora (Ashkenazim and Sephardim)?

Certainly.

Jesus said He was sent to the lost sheep of Israel.
Jesus said His sheep hear His voice and follow Him.
Jesus also said unbelievers are NOT HIS SHEEP.



To return to the scene of their crimes means that those Fake Christians/Jews must also be in close proximity to the King as stated in Luke 19:27.

But close "proximity" might be geopolitical as opposed to a geographical proximity.

"Proximity" might well be psychological "familiarity" as opposed to geographical proximity; in which case, the Modern antichrist enemies are more likely to be "Familiar Christians" than the Unfamiliar Jews who now reside in Christian countries, and even less so the Jews in Israel.


Per Luke 19:27, Edomite-jews return to the scene of their crimes to be duly executed. Ezekiel 36 tells us that Edom maliciously occupies God's ancient Holy Land. Isaiah 63:1-6 describes the slaughter of the Edomites. Revelation 19:11-21 is a NT version. Rev 19 tells us the warrior on the white horse has blood stained clothing. Isaiah 63:1-6 tells us it is Edom's blood.

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There is already a war against God and the USA is leading the enemy attacks.

Putin and his gang appear to be that same lying Edomite tribe.
But how should one try to reconcile these 2 quotations: Surely, if there is a war against God with the USA leading the enemy attacks, this implies that the U.S. establishment must be the same lying Edomite tribe, not Putin and his gang.

Since we have already established that the Edomite (Fake) Jews have been the Arch-enemies of Christ in the 1st century Roman Empire, then they must still be the Arch-enemy when Christ returns.

So, by definition, these 2 quotes are mutually exclusive.
 
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But how should one try to reconcile these 2 quotations: Surely, if there is a war against God with the USA leading the enemy attacks, this implies that U.S. establishment must be the same lying Edomite tribe, not Putin and his gang.

Since we have already established that the Edomite (Fake) Jews have been the Arch-enemies of Christ in the 1st century Roman Empire, then they must still be the Arch-enemy when Christ returns.

By definition, the 2 quotes are mutually exclusive.


There is much not discussed in these posts.

Here at the evil end of the age, there are no heroes, only villains.

You might have missed one of my previous posts that gave info that explained that in the OT, God's sinful wife, Israel, was the OT harlot, like Babylon is the NT harlot. That is why God totally divorced the Northern Israel tribes and punished the Southern Israel tribes in the Babylonian captivity. I believe evil modern globalist Babylon is made up primarily of reprobate Christian Israel nations who are in sinful rebellion against God. It is because of this sinful rebellion, that God sends Gog/Magog's global hordes to invade Christian Israel lands [this is happening now.] While the USA is the leading Babylonian enemy of God... Putin has proven to me to be the Edomite-jew prince, Gog, who God raised up to punish God's people who are in sinful rebellion and the catalyst for God's divine intervention... much like how God used Pharaoh. God's last plague on Pharaoh's Egypt was the death of the first born. Ironically, Esau/Edom was the also the first born.

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Stone Chapel said in post #139:

. . . the Modern antichrist enemies are more likely to be "Familiar Christians" than the Unfamiliar Jews . . .

1 John 2:18 ¶Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Note that this can refer to Christians who eventually became Gnostic Christians (cf. 2 John 1:7; 1 John 4:3), and so left the Church because of its continued, and correct, insistence that Christ is in the flesh (Luke 24:39).

Gnosticism is an ancient religious movement which says that everything material is inherently evil, while only that which is purely spirit can be good. Gnosticism teaches that all humans used to be purely spirit and dwelling in bliss from all eternity in a purely-spiritual heaven called the "Pleroma", until by some mishap humanity fell into the material universe and became trapped within fleshly bodies. Gnosticism reviles YHWH, the God of Biblical Christians, and the Creator of the material universe and of all fleshly bodies, as an evil, subordinate deity, a "Demiurge", who is keeping humans imprisoned and suffering within fleshly bodies and in the material universe.

Gnosticism became one of the main enemies of the early Church, and it will become the greatest enemy of the Church during the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24. For the future Antichrist will be a Gnostic. He will teach the Gnostic/antichrist lie that Christ is not in the flesh (1 John 4:3). And the Antichrist, like the Gnostics, will utterly revile YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36). The Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") will instead bring the world into the conscious and open worship of Lucifer (Satan, the dragon), and himself (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 13:8, Revelation 12:9).

Gnosticism has some core teachings in common with Buddhism and Hinduism:

1. The material realm is unreal and evil. (Both Buddhism and Gnosticism got this mistaken idea, originally called "Maya", from Hinduism.)

2. People must strive to escape the material realm completely, and enter a state which is wholly non-physical (Parinirvana in Buddhism, the Pleroma in Gnosticism). Buddhism and Gnosticism got this mistaken idea, originally called "Brahman", from Hinduism.

3. The way for people to get free from their imprisonment within the material realm is through their minds attaining a certain level of enlightenment (Nirvana in Buddhism, Gnosis in Gnosticism). Buddhism and Gnosticism got this mistaken idea, originally called "Moksha", from Hinduism.

4. The way for their minds to attain this certain level of enlightenment is through following the way of the Serpent (one legend of Buddhism says that the Buddha was given the true Buddhism by the King of the Serpents; and in Gnosticism, Gnosis comes from the Christ/the Serpent). Both Buddhism and Gnosticism got this mistaken idea of the enlightening serpent, originally called "Kundalini", from Hinduism. (Regarding the serpent in Genesis 3, Gnostics see him as the good guy, while they see YHWH as the bad guy.)

The Bible contradicts each of the four points above:

1. The material realm is real, and was created by YHWH God as something very good (Genesis 1:31). God Himself is in the flesh (John 1:1,14, Luke 24:39), and He remains wholly without sin (Hebrews 4:15). So there is nothing evil about matter in itself.

2. People must strive to attain to a resurrection (Philippians 3:11) into an immortal human body of flesh and bones like the immortal human body of flesh and bones which Jesus Christ obtained at His resurrection on the third day after His death (Luke 24:39,46; 1 Corinthians 15:3-4,21-23,51-53, Philippians 3:21, Romans 8:23-25), and in which He will remain forever as Christians' fully-human mediator/high priest (1 Timothy 2:5, Hebrews 2:16-17, Hebrews 7:24-26). His tomb is empty (Matthew 28:6), and at His Second Coming He will show the scars of the Crucifixion on His body (Zechariah 13:6, Zechariah 12:10-14).

3. Resurrected people who have been truly enlightened/illuminated (Ephesians 1:18, Hebrews 10:32) by Jesus Christ (John 14:6-7, John 8:32, John 3:36) will remain in the material realm (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29), ultimately living on a New Earth, in the sense of a new surface for the earth, with God (Revelation 21:1-4).

4. The Serpent, Satan/Lucifer, is the deceiver of the whole world (Revelation 12:9).
 
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AlasBabylon said in post #142:

Rev 19 tells us the warrior on the white horse has blood stained clothing. Isaiah 63:1-6 tells us it is Edom's blood.

But compare Isaiah 34:5-6, which, in its context, refers to a future event which will affect "all nations" (Isaiah 34:2), the whole world (Isaiah 34:1).

In Isaiah 34:5, "Idumea" (Edom) is not the ancient nation of Edom (present-day southern Jordan), but represents all nonelect people of all times throughout the world, just as the apostle Paul employs a reference to the man "Esau" (also called Edom: Genesis 25:30, Genesis 36:1) to represent all nonelect people of all times throughout the world (Romans 9:11-22). And in Isaiah 34:6, "Bozrah" is not the ancient city of Bozrah, but represents all corrupt civilizations of all times throughout the world, just as the "Babylon" which will be destroyed in our future in Revelation chapters 17-18 is not the literal, ancient city of Babylon (nor the present-day one, in Iraq), but represents all corrupt civilizations of all times throughout the world.

Isaiah 34 does not refer to the destruction of the ancient city of Bozrah. For its territory is in present-day Jordan, and it is still inhabited (it could be the city of Busaira). It is not an eternally-burning land of fire and brimstone which no living person ever passes through, and will not ever pass through for all eternity (Isaiah 34:9-10).

Isaiah 34 will not be fulfilled until the future, Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11-15), when the present surface of the earth and its atmosphere (the first heaven) will pass away (Revelation 20:11). And all nonelect people of all times throughout the world will be resurrected, judged, and cast into the eternal suffering of the lake of fire and brimstone (Revelation 20:15,10, Revelation 21:8, Revelation 14:10-11).

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AlasBabylon said in post #144:

I believe evil modern globalist Babylon is made up primarily of reprobate Christian Israel nations who are in sinful rebellion against God.

Ultimately, the power behind the future Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") will be Lucifer/Satan (the dragon) (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9; 2 Thessalonians 2:9), just as the controllers of the unsaved world have always been (and are still currently) Satan and his fallen angels (Ephesians 6:12, Ephesians 2:2-3). But there could also be a secret cabal of human world leaders in big business, finance, intelligence agencies, federal law enforcement, politics, the media/entertainment, the military, and religion, who know this fact, and so have secretly become worshippers of Satan, in order to obtain from him all of the world's power, wealth, and pleasures that they can (cf. Matthew 4:9).

These Satanists could have been working secretly together for some time (including through a worldwide secret society which teaches Gnostic Luciferianism, also called Satanism, at its highest degree of initiation) to prepare the way politically, economically, culturally, militarily, and religiously for a single Satanist human world leader (the Antichrist) to take hegemony over the whole earth (Revelation 13:7b), and, along with his miracle-working False Prophet, to bring the world into the conscious and open worship of Lucifer/Satan, and the Antichrist (Revelation 13:4-18, Revelation 12:9, Revelation 19:20). God will let them succeed in this, but for less than four years (Revelation 13:5b, Daniel 12:11-12), before Jesus Christ returns from heaven and defeats them completely (Revelation 19:20 to 20:3). Jesus will then set up his own, 1,000-year, physical kingdom on the earth with the physically resurrected Church (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29, Psalms 66:3-4, Psalms 72:8-11, Zechariah 14:8-21).

AlasBabylon said in post #144:

It is because of this sinful rebellion, that God sends Gog/Magog's global hordes to invade Christian Israel lands [this is happening now.]

Note that the Gog/Magog invasion of Israel (Ezekiel chapters 38-39) will not occur until after the future Millennium (Revelation 20:7-10), when there will be no defensive walls or fear of attack in Israel whatsoever (Ezekiel 38:11). This is the exact opposite of today's situation, when Israel is filled with very high defensive walls and is in constant fear of attack. At the beginning of the Millennium, all present-day weapons of war throughout the world will be destroyed, and they will not be allowed to be remade during the Millennium (Micah 4:3-4). That is why after the Millennium, the Gog/Magog armies will travel only by horses (Ezekiel 38:15), and will employ only rudimentary, wooden weapons like bows and arrows, spears, shields, and clubs (Ezekiel 39:9), which after the defeat of the Gog/Magog armies will be able to be used as convenient firewood by the people living in Israel at that time, instead of them having to go out and collect or cut down firewood from the forest (Ezekiel 39:10).

The Gog in Revelation 20:8 is the same as in Ezekiel chapters 38-39: an individual human whose personal name is "Gog" (Ezekiel 38:3). He will be the chief leader of a future country which will form somewhere north of Israel (Ezekiel 39:2, Ezekiel 38:15), and which will be called "Magog" (Ezekiel 38:2). It will include at least two major cities and/or tribes which will be called "Meshech" and "Tubal" (Ezekiel 38:2). This country could come into existence during the future Millennium. Gog could be born near the end of the Millennium, and he will be killed and buried at the end of the Gog/Magog event (Ezekiel 39:11).

Both accounts of the event show that the Gog/Magog armies will ultimately be completely defeated by miraculous fire from heaven (Ezekiel 38:22, Revelation 20:9). Also, whereas the Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11-15) will occur subsequent to the Gog/Magog event (Revelation 20:7-15), nothing requires (as is sometimes claimed) that the Great White Throne Judgment has to happen immediately after that event. For there will be at least seven years (Ezekiel 39:9b) between the end of that event and the Great White Throne Judgment.

Also, the Gog/Magog attack will not have to (as is sometimes claimed) involve only the nations listed in Ezekiel chapters 38-39. Those nations could be just a sampling. For the "nations" (ethnos), or peoples, who will be involved in the Gog/Magog attack will come from all over the earth (Revelation 20:8). They will still be physically part of Jesus Christ's worldwide Kingdom, still legally under His rule, just as they had been during the preceding Millennium (Psalms 72:8-11, Psalms 66:3, Psalms 2). But after the Millennium, they will be deceived by Satan into committing the attack (Revelation 20:7-10).

Also, while the Gog/Magog attack on Israel will not occur until after the future Millennium (Revelation 20:7-10, Ezekiel chapters 38-39), Israel could suffer a different attack before the Millennium, at the start of the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, which attack could result in Israel's total defeat and occupation (Daniel 11:15-17).

Also, the city of Jerusalem could be attacked and totally defeated in the future at least three times before the Millennium: once near the start of the future Tribulation (Daniel 11:22), then again mid-tribulation (Daniel 11:31), and then at the Tribulation's end (Daniel 11:45), right before Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming and the start of the Millennium (Zechariah 14:2-21).
 
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Some Bible scholars believe the original Edomites were atheists. That is why they so easily "converted" en masse to being [fake] Jews.

Ironically, many "Russian" atheist Bolshevik "Jews", later feigned conversion to Christianity. But that was after Stalin created his Soviet [fake] church. Putin and his gang appear to be that same lying Edomite tribe.






Christ returns as He was when He left, an Israelite of the tribe of Judah.




Certainly.

Jesus said He was sent to the lost sheep of Israel.
Jesus said His sheep hear His voice and follow Him.
Jesus also said unbelievers are NOT HIS SHEEP.






Per Luke 19:27, Edomite-jews return to the scene of their crimes to be duly executed. Ezekiel 36 tells us that Edom maliciously occupies God's ancient Holy Land. Isaiah 63:1-6 describes the slaughter of the Edomites. Revelation 19:11-21 is a NT version. Rev 19 tells us the warrior on the white horse has blood stained clothing. Isaiah 63:1-6 tells us it is Edom's blood.

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Doesn't the Bible warn us about useless geneologies?
SIN HAS NO RACIAL PREFERENCE.
It's not exclusive to certain races. Everyone is a sinner!
Judgment will be on those who have not been forgiven, meaning, those who have not received Jesus as their Lord and Savior.
The list of the flesh and the pride of life lures people.. Satan tempts everyone. Its a spiritual war, not racial. Though nation will rise up against nation, the underlying motivations are the same: power, money, hate, envy, pride, etc. Empires have come and gone, great and small. We have reached the precipice in history where good and evil will separate. Sin will be put down, then we, the Body of Christ, will live in peace and love.
That's it - plain and simple.
 
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Doesn't the Bible warn us about useless geneologies?


The Bible... OT and NT... is filled with genealogies because the Bible is a very racial book... from Genesis
when God chose Abraham, Isaac, Jacob/Israel and his 12 sons [12 tribes of Israel] to be God's special people above all the other people of the earth... Deuteronomy 7:6 & Deuteronomy 14:2... to Revelation
where the New Jerusalem has 12 gates one for each of the 12 tribes of Israel to enter.

Those who don't understand the importance of race in the Bible... will not understand the OT, NT and still ongoing racial war between Jacob/Israel and Esau/Edom.

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The Bible... OT and NT... is filled with genealogies because the Bible is a very racial book... from Genesis
when God chose Abraham, Isaac, Jacob/Israel and his 12 sons [12 tribes of Israel] to be God's special people above all the other people of the earth... Deuteronomy 7:6 & Deuteronomy 14:2... to Revelation
where the New Jerusalem has 12 gates one for each of the 12 tribes of Israel to enter.

Those who don't understand the importance sof race in the Bible... will not understand the OT, NT and still ongoing racial war between Jacob/Israel and Esau/Edom.

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Of course genealogies served a purposed then - Abraham, Isaac, Jacob >>> to become a great nation >>> through David >>> to Christ. I believe from that point on, as the gospel was spread throughout, race was not important. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, male or female, we are all spiritually born again. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven.
With exception to Israel, whom God has not forgotten, whom His covenant still stands ( according to Romans 11, Rev. 7 & 14), it does not matter the physical race you are in, it only matters where your spiritual state resides.
The design of the New Jerusalem is as it should be, in commemoration to the chosen nation. There are 24 thrones in heaven too - who is sitting on them?
This New Jerusalem is heaven come down to earth. It is not like any city in history, it is a new spiritual earth. 1200 stadia x 1200 stadia x 1200 stadia = a giant cube equal to 1600 miles long x 1600 mi. wide x 1600 mi. high. We have buildings almost 1/2 mile high but 1600 miles high suggests hundreds of levels, an extra dimensional world AND that we will have extra-dimensional bodies able to appear, disappear, fly, traveling without restriction like Jesus did and the angels do, suggests a living environment capable of being inhabited by billions of souls. So, its not like this city is going to come down and rest in present day Israel, it is the new earth after the first earth is burned up.
 
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The Bible... OT and NT... is filled with genealogies because the Bible is a very racial book... from Genesis
when God chose Abraham, Isaac, Jacob/Israel and his 12 sons [12 tribes of Israel] to be God's special people above all the other people of the earth... Deuteronomy 7:6 & Deuteronomy 14:2... to Revelation
where the New Jerusalem has 12 gates one for each of the 12 tribes of Israel to enter.

Those who don't understand the importance of race in the Bible... will not understand the OT, NT and still ongoing racial war between Jacob/Israel and Esau/Edom.

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"Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which cause disputes, rather than godly edification which is in faith." 1 Tim. 1:4

"Avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless." Titus 3:9
 
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"Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which cause disputes, rather than godly edification which is in faith." 1 Tim. 1:4

"Avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless." Titus 3:9


Go ahead and disobey God's laws and commandments... and see how that profits you.

Over and over and over in the OT, sinful rebellious Israelites did that... and God repeatedly punished them.

But hey, if you think you are somehow exempt... go ahead and embrace all the sinful abomination that God forbids in the Bible... and if you dare, teach others to do the same.

As Proverbs 14:16 says... A wise man is cautious and turns away from evil, But a fool is arrogant and careless.

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AlasBabylon said in post #148:

. . . the Bible is a very racial book... from Genesis when God chose Abraham, Isaac, Jacob/Israel and his 12 sons [12 tribes of Israel] to be God's special people above all the other people of the earth... Deuteronomy 7:6 & Deuteronomy 14:2...

Note that under the New Covenant, race is irrelevant to salvation from hell. For, as the global Church sings to Jesus Christ:

Revelation 5:9 . . . thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

For God:

Acts 17:26 . . . hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

AlasBabylon said in post #148:

. . . the New Jerusalem has 12 gates one for each of the 12 tribes of Israel to enter . . .

Note that just as the Gentile Ruth (a genetic forbear of Israel's Messiah: Matthew 1:5-16, Luke 3:23-32) could say to the Israelite Naomi: "thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God" (Ruth 1:16), so Gentiles in the Church, of whatever race, have been grafted into Israel (Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29).

That is, all Jews in the Church remain members of whichever tribe of Israel they were born into (Romans 11:1, Acts 4:36). And all Gentiles in the Church, of whatever race, have been grafted by God into Israel (Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12,19, Galatians 3:29), and so have been grafted by God into its various tribes (cf. Ezekiel 47:21-23). So the entire Church is the twelve tribes of Israel (Revelation 21:9,12; 1 Peter 2:9-10). This is necessary, for all those in the Church are saved only by the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28; 1 Corinthians 11:25; 2 Corinthians 3:6, Hebrews 9:15), which God has made only with Israel (Jeremiah 31:31-34, John 4:22b). John 10:16 refers to the "other sheep" of Gentile Christians being brought into "this fold" of Israel, which is the "one fold" of the Church (1 Corinthians 12:13, Ephesians 4:4-6, Revelation 21:9,12). A Gentile Christian can pray and ask God which tribe of Israel he has been grafted into by God, and he will receive an answer from God, if he asks in faith (cf. Matthew 21:22), without any wavering (cf. James 1:6-7).

Also, all those in the Church, whether Jews (Acts 22:3) or Gentiles (Romans 16:4b), of whatever race, have been made spiritually-circumcised Jews by God if they have undergone the spiritual circumcision of water-immersion (burial) baptism into Jesus Christ (Romans 2:29, Philippians 3:3, Colossians 2:11-13).

AlasBabylon said in post #148:

Those who don't understand the importance of race in the Bible... will not understand the OT, NT and still ongoing racial war between Jacob/Israel and Esau/Edom.

Rather, the conflict is between elect people, of whatever race, and nonelect people, of whatever race.

For Romans 9:12-13 employs the difference between Jacob and Esau (Genesis 25:23-26, Malachi 1:2b-3) only as a type, not to represent the difference between the literal, genetic nations of Israel (Jacob: Genesis 32:28) and Edom (Esau: Genesis 36:43b), but to represent the difference between, on the one hand, all elect individuals from all nations (Romans 9:6-13, Galatians 3:28-29, Galatians 4:28), both some Jews and some Gentiles (Romans 9:24), and, on the other hand, all nonelect individuals from all nations, both some Jews and some Gentiles, such as Pharaoh (Romans 9:17-18, Exodus 9:12,16). Just as the individual babies in Romans 9:11-13 were either elected/loved or nonelected/hated by God before they were born, so all of the elect and nonelect individuals whom they represent were either elected/loved or nonelected/hated by God as individuals, not only before they were born, but even before the foundation of the world (Ephesians 1:4-11; 2 Thessalonians 2:13).

That is, the elect are those individuals, whether Jews or Gentiles, who were chosen (elected) and predestinated by God before the foundation of the world (Ephesians 1:4-11; 2 Thessalonians 2:13), before they were born (Romans 9:11-24), to become initially saved by faith in Jesus Christ and His Gospel at some point during their lifetime (Acts 13:48b; 2 Timothy 2:10; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4). This initial salvation is possible only because of Jesus' sacrifice on the Cross for our sins (Romans 3:25-26), which was also foreordained by God before the foundation of the world (Revelation 13:8; 1 Peter 1:19-20).

Everyone on his own is wholly corrupt (Romans 3:9-12). And so it is impossible for people on their own to ever believe in Jesus Christ and His Gospel and be initially saved (1 Corinthians 15:1-4, John 20:31; 1 John 5:13), through their own will (Romans 9:16, John 1:13, John 6:65), or their own intellect (1 Corinthians 1:18 to 2:16). Unsaved people cannot understand the Gospel (1 Corinthians 2:14; 1 Corinthians 1:18), because only initially saved people, who have received the miraculous gift of some measure of God's own Spirit, can understand it (1 Corinthians 2:11-16).

Nonelect people cannot ever believe in Jesus Christ and His Gospel and be initially saved, even when they are shown the truth (John 8:42-47, John 10:26, Matthew 13:38-42). For the ability to believe in Jesus and His Gospel comes only to elect people (Acts 13:48b) wholly by God's grace as a miraculous gift from God (Ephesians 2:8, John 6:65; 1 Corinthians 3:5b, Romans 12:3b, Hebrews 12:2) as the elect read (or hear) God's Word the Holy Bible (Romans 10:17, Acts 13:48, Acts 26:22-23), just as the ability to repent comes only as a miraculous gift from God (2 Timothy 2:25, Acts 11:18). Satan blinds the minds of non-Christians, so that on their own they cannot repent and acknowledge the truth of God's Word (2 Corinthians 4:4; 2 Timothy 2:25-26).
 
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AlasBabylon said in post #148:

Go ahead and disobey God's laws and commandments... and see how that profits you.

Over and over and over in the OT, sinful rebellious Israelites did that... and God repeatedly punished them.

Do you mean that Christians must obey the letter of the OT laws and commandments?

If so, note that on Jesus Christ's Cross, for both Jews and Gentiles (John 11:51-52), of all times, the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law was completely and forever abolished (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18), disannulled (Hebrews 7:18), rendered obsolete (Hebrews 8:13, Galatians 3:2-25, Galatians 4:21 to 5:8), taken away and replaced (Hebrews 10:9) by the better hope (Hebrews 7:19), the better covenant (Hebrews 7:22, Hebrews 8:6-12), the second covenant (Hebrews 8:7, Hebrews 10:9), of Jesus' New Covenant law (Galatians 6:2, John 1:17, Matthew 26:28, Hebrews 12:24, Hebrews 9:15), so that the law was changed (Hebrews 7:12).

All Christians, whether Jews or Gentles, of all times, are delivered from the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, and should not keep it (Romans 7:6; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Galatians 2:11-21), or have any desire to keep it (Galatians 4:21 to 5:8, Galatians 3:2-25). Christians keep the spirit of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Romans 7:6) by loving others (Galatians 5:14, Romans 13:8-10), by doing to others as they would have others do to them (Matthew 7:12).

The New Covenant is a new law (Hebrews 7:12,18-19, Hebrews 10:1-23), consisting of Jesus Christ's New Covenant/New Testament commandments (John 14:15), such as those which He gave in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:19 to 7:29), and in the epistles of the apostle Paul (1 Corinthians 14:37). These commandments exceed in righteousness the abolished letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Matthew 5:20-48). So there is no reason for any Christian to ever want to go back under the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law (Galatians 3:2 to 5:26). It was just a temporary schoolmaster (Galatians 3:24-25), a temporary shadow (Colossians 2:16-17), which God set up because of sins long after He had set up the original promise of the Abrahamic Covenant, and long before He brought this promise to fulfillment in Jesus' New Covenant (Galatians 3:16-29, Matthew 26:28).

The letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law has been made obsolete by the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:13). For example, the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law required an Aaronic priesthood (Exodus 30:30), while the New Covenant replaced the Aaronic priesthood with the Melchisedechian priesthood (Hebrews 7:11-28). And the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law required animal sacrifices for sin (Leviticus 23:19), while the New Covenant replaced these with the one-time sacrifice of Jesus Christ Himself on the Cross (Hebrews 10).

The letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law is the Hagar to the New Covenant's Sarah (Galatians 4:21-25). So those people, whether Jews or Gentiles, who try to keep the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law are like Ishmael, Abraham's son by a bondmaid (Galatians 4:22), who was cast out (Galatians 4:30), while those people, whether Jews or Gentiles, who keep the New Covenant are like Isaac (Galatians 4:28), Abraham's son by a freewoman (Galatians 4:22,31), who became his heir (Galatians 4:30b).

The letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law, including the letter of its Ten Commandments, written and engraven in stones (2 Corinthians 3:7, Deuteronomy 4:13, Deuteronomy 27:8), was the ministration of death and condemnation (2 Corinthians 3:7,9). For example, see Leviticus 20:10, Exodus 31:14, and Numbers 15:32-36; and contrast these with the New Covenant's John 8:4-11 and Matthew 12:1-8.

The letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law has been completely and forever done away (2 Corinthians 3:11), abolished (2 Corinthians 3:13b). But it is still able to spiritually blind some people as with a veil from beholding Jesus Christ (2 Corinthians 3:14-16), while the New Covenant is the ministration of the Spirit and righteousness (2 Corinthians 3:6,8-9b), which remains (2 Corinthians 3:11b), and which permits Christians to remove the veil, and to behold Jesus (2 Corinthians 3:16-18, Mark 15:38, Hebrews 7:18-19, Ephesians 2:15-18, Colossians 2:14-17).

But a mistaken spirit of Pharisaism can still sometimes deceive even some Christians into thinking that they must keep the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law in order to be saved from hell (Acts 15:1,5), or in order to become perfect (Galatians 3:2 to 5:26). This is a false, cursed gospel (Galatians 1:6-9). For if any Christians are keeping any part of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law thinking that they must do so in order to be saved from hell, or in order to become perfect, then Jesus Christ will profit them nothing. They have fallen from grace (Galatians 5:2-8).
 
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And God says come out of her my people...
Where the heck could we go?

Maybe we can jump the border and go to Canada up north, we surely would not want to go to Mexico since they resemble Babylon more than we do.
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Maybe we can jump the border and go to Canada up north, we surely would not want to go to Mexico since they resemble Babylon more than we do.
M-Bob

That's the biggest problem in relation to my question.
I've looked all over the world and I haven't seen anything better.
Which leads me to conclude, if this is as could as it gets, we can't let this place fall if we can help it. There is nowhere to run from here it seems.
 
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I am here to post the truth... not to engage in talmudic type debates to try to convince you of it. I sow the seed. God determines if it germinates.

A lawless universalist pluralistic "Christ" is the FALSE "Christ" espoused by the modern sinful rebellious fallen church. [I should not call them churches, they are baal temples.] Even in New Testament times, there were already wolves in sheep's clothing touting a false Christ. And that is especially true here at the evil end of the age.

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@Bible2+

I am here to post the truth... not to engage in talmudic type debates to try to convince you of it. I sow the seed. God determines if it germinates.

A lawless universalist pluralistic "Christ" is the FALSE "Christ" espoused by the modern sinful rebellious fallen church. [I should not call them churches, they are baal temples.] Even in New Testament times, there were already wolves in sheep's clothing touting a false Christ. And that is especially true here at the evil end of the age.

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Are you saying that there is and will be on a greater scale a church that accepts all world religions?
 
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Are you saying that there is and will be on a greater scale a church that accepts all world religions?


Yes, it could be phrased that way. Not just the world's religions, but the world's immorality no matter how abominable.

The modern church has watered down Christianity to enlarge its tent to the point it preaches a false Christ. Christians who are not Biblically-based are deceived into thinking that antichrist imitation is the real thing.

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Are you saying that there is and will be on a greater scale a church that accepts all world religions?

That would be universalism and definitely not taught in the Bible if one believes in the Bible?
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That would be universalism and definitely not taught in the Bible if one believes in the Bible?
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Yeah, maybe something like a Unitarian church I guess. I think many believe there will be a world religion imposed on people. Something Unitarian might fit that bill. But maybe they will just make up a new religion altogether.
 
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