Has anyone already see Nephilim?

Status
Not open for further replies.

Cement

Active Member
Mar 24, 2018
320
257
37
Austin
✟55,782.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Celibate
554AB47A-E544-4B9C-BFF8-26BFF969525A.jpeg
By the Romans.

You can say the Romans had some technology to move heavy stone but what about the hundreds of moai on Easter island who have sunken dozens of feet into the dirt? Who carved and moved those things if not giants?
 
Upvote 0

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Dec 28, 2017
3,779
2,856
Arizona
✟530,314.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Private
The book of Enoch is not of the Holy Spirit and not canon and useless for doctrine.


It IS Canon according to 1. Early Church Fathers, 2. The Pre Christian Jewish Sect Essenes, and 3. The Ethiopian Orthodox Church that had a Pre Christian connection to Judaism and The Temple through Queen Sheba and King Solomon (1 Kings 10) 990 B.C.- 910 B.C. :


The Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church



shebaandsolomon1.jpg





 
Last edited:
  • Winner
Reactions: Cement
Upvote 0

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Dec 28, 2017
3,779
2,856
Arizona
✟530,314.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Private
It is this theory that tries to put down those people as something far less than the magnificent creation of God that they were and denigrating the very character of God by bringing in fallen angels having sex with women.

The angels had free will and chose to do what they did. That is why the penalty was so severe for them from God.

Yes, Angels have free will, just like Satan had free will and the others who fell had free will.
 
  • Winner
Reactions: JacksBratt
Upvote 0

mmksparbud

Well-Known Member
Dec 3, 2011
17,312
6,821
73
Las Vegas
✟255,978.00
Country
United States
Faith
SDA
Marital Status
Widowed
Politics
US-Others
The angels had free will and chose to do what they did. That is why the penalty was so severe for them from God.

Yes, Angels have free will, just like Satan had free will and the others who fell had free will.


Free will has nothing to do with having been created without the human reproductive parts to produce human sperm to impregnate a species that God had not even created yet. Free will is what tossed them out of heaven for following a once covering cherub who wanted to be God. You still have not answered any of my questions. I am waiting to hear the latest explanation for my questions which I have ben asking for 35 years and have had all sorts of really far out explanations that make even less sense, genetically, scripturally, or any other way.
 
Upvote 0

mmksparbud

Well-Known Member
Dec 3, 2011
17,312
6,821
73
Las Vegas
✟255,978.00
Country
United States
Faith
SDA
Marital Status
Widowed
Politics
US-Others
View attachment 227166

You can say the Romans had some technology to move heavy stone but what about the hundreds of moai on Easter island who have sunken dozens of feet into the dirt? Who carved and moved those things if not giants?


They have shown how that was done several years ago---it is why the island, once teeming with trees, no longer had any---they used them to roll the stones on---which they found remnants of such workings.
 
Upvote 0

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Dec 28, 2017
3,779
2,856
Arizona
✟530,314.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Private
Free will has nothing to do with having been created without the human reproductive parts to produce human sperm to impregnate a species that God had not even created yet. Free will is what tossed them out of heaven for following a once covering cherub who wanted to be God. You still have not answered any of my questions. I am waiting to hear the latest explanation for my questions which I have ben asking for 35 years and have had all sorts of really far out explanations that make even less sense, genetically, scripturally, or any other way.


I don't know "How" it worked in that sense.

All I know is what the written ancient records show us.
 
Upvote 0

JacksBratt

Searching for Truth
Site Supporter
Jul 5, 2014
16,282
6,485
62
✟570,686.00
Country
Canada
Faith
Protestant
Marital Status
Married
Fallen angels and humans produce giant babies---a woman giving birth to what will be a 30 foot giant.
You want to tell me again how a creature that was created higher than us, created to not have sex for the angels do not have sex, has the equipment to have sex with a woman, and have the human sperm needed to be compatible with human DNA? The fathers you've mentioned above had no idea about genetics and DNA yet. So what happened to the wings, why only height was passed on? You have not answered my questions from post #45. The Targums came way before your "fathers."
None of the angels that are mentioned in the bible....had wings. They looked just like human men.
The offspring, born of normal size, had the genetics to grow to phenomenal size.
 
  • Winner
Reactions: Kaon
Upvote 0

JacksBratt

Searching for Truth
Site Supporter
Jul 5, 2014
16,282
6,485
62
✟570,686.00
Country
Canada
Faith
Protestant
Marital Status
Married
And what in earth makes you think we don't know that??? That is why the giants in those days were all the pre flood people---they were not 5-6 feet tall. The air had more oxygen, the earth far more fertile, no weather disasters, plenty of good food, no genetic flaws to pass down, far more intelligent, so much so that we still can't figure out how they did some things. It is this theory that tries to put down those people as something far less than the magnificent creation of God that they were and denigrating the very character of God by bringing in fallen angels having sex with women. They are not our kind and can not do so! God said after it's kind at creation.
We have talked about this before. Adam and Eve and all those before the flood, may have been 12 feet tall... who knows.. but, they were still not the Giants that were mentioned. That would be silly to say that there were giants in the land, and after that... if everyone was a giant. It would be redundant.
 
Upvote 0

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Dec 28, 2017
3,779
2,856
Arizona
✟530,314.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Private
One of the biggest reasons why 1 Enoch is scripture is because The Lord Yahushua Messiah SPECIFICALLY chose to refer to Himself "As The Son Of Man"



Then I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands, and in the midst of the seven lampstands One like the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the feet and girded about the chest with a golden band.
Revelation 1:12-13


And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
John 3:14


But Jesus answered them, saying, “The hour has come that the Son of Man should be glorified.
John 12:23


But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins”—He said to the paralytic,
Mark 2:10


But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins”—then He said to the paralytic, “Arise, take up your bed, and go to your house.”
Matthew 9:6


But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins”—He said to the man who was paralyzed, “I say to you, arise, take up your bed, and go to your house.”
Luke 5:24


And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.
Mark 8:31


saying, “The Son of Man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised the third day.”
Luke 9:22


and said, “Look! I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!”
• Acts 7:56


Jesus said, “I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”
Mark 14:62


Jesus said to him, “It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
Matthew 26:64


Hereafter the Son of Man will sit on the right hand of the power of God.”
Luke 22:69


But one testified in a certain place, saying:

“What is man that You are mindful of him,
Or the son of man that You take care of him?
You have made him a little lower than the angels;
You have crowned him with glory and honor,
And set him over the works of Your hands.
You have put all things in subjection under his feet.”

For in that He put all in subjection under him, He left nothing that is not put under him. But now we do not yet see all things put under him.
Hebrews 2:6-8


What is man that You are mindful of him,
And the son of man that You visit him?
For You have made him a little lower than the angels,
And You have crowned him with glory and honor.

You have made him to have dominion over the works of Your hands;
You have put all things under his feet,
• Psalm 8:4-6


“I was watching in the night visions,
And behold, One like the Son of Man,
Coming with the clouds of heaven!
He came to the Ancient of Days,
And they brought Him near before Him.
Daniel 7:13


Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
Matthew 12:32


“And anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but to him who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven.
Luke 12:10


He answered and said to them: “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man.
Matthew 13:37


The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness,
Matthew 13:41


“When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.
Matthew 25:31


Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”
Luke 21:36


“And anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but to him who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven.
Luke 12:10



OK, Now Compare that with the References to "The Son Of Man" in 1 Enoch:



And at that hour that Son of Man was named In the presence of the Lord of Spirits,
And His Name before the Head of Days.

Yea, before the sun and the signs were created,
Before the stars of the heaven were made,
His Name was named before the Lord of Spirits.

He shall be a staff to the righteous whereon to stay themselves and not fall,
And He Shall Be The Light Of The Gentiles,
And The Hope Of Those Who Are Troubled Of Heart.

All Who Dwell On Earth Shall Fall Down And Worship Before Him,

And will praise and bless and celebrate with song the Lord of Spirits.

And for this reason hath He been chosen and hidden before Him,
Before the creation of the world and for evermore.
• 1 Enoch 48:2-6



And from henceforth there shall be nothing corruptible;
For That Son of Man has appeared,
And Has Seated Himself On The Throne Of His Glory,

And all evil shall pass away before His Face,
And the word of that Son of Man shall go forth

And be strong before the Lord of Spirits.
• 1 Enoch 69:29



And there was great joy amongst them,
And they blessed and glorified and extolled
Because the name of that Son of Man had been revealed unto them.

And He Sat On The Throne Of His Glory,
And The Sum of Judgement Was Given Unto The Son Of Man,
And He
caused the sinners to pass away and be destroyed from off the face of the earth,
And those who have led the world astray.
• 1 Enoch 69:26-27



And there I saw One who had a head of days,
And His head was white like wool,
And with Him was another being whose countenance had the appearance of a man,
And his face was full of graciousness, like one of the holy angels.

And I asked the angel who went with me and showed me all the hidden things, concerning that Son of Man, who He was, and whence He was, (and) why He went with the Head of Days? And he answered and said unto me:
This is The Son Of Man who hath righteousness,
With whom dwelleth righteousness,
And who revealeth all the treasures of that which is hidden,

Because the Lord of Spirits hath chosen Him,
And whose lot hath the pre-eminence before the Lord of Spirits in uprightness for ever.

And this Son of Man whom thou hast seen
Shall raise up the kings and the mighty from their seats,
[And the strong from their thrones]
And shall loosen the reins of the strong,
And break the teeth of the sinners.

And He shall put down the kings from their thrones and kingdoms]
Because they do not extol and praise Him,
Nor humbly acknowledge whence the kingdom was bestowed upon them.
And He shall put down the countenance of the strong,
And shall fill them with shame.

And darkness shall be their dwelling,
And worms shall be their bed,
And they shall have no hope of rising from their beds,
Because they do not extol the name of the Lord of Spirits.

And these are they who judge the stars of heaven,
[And raise their hands against the Most High],
And tread upon the earth and dwell upon it.
And all their deeds manifest unrighteousness,
And their power rests upon their riches,
And their faith is in the gods which they have made with their hands,
And they deny the name of the Lord of Spirits,

And they persecute the houses of His congregations,
And the faithful who hang upon the name of the Lord of Spirits.
• 1 Enoch 46


Books of Enoch
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: JacksBratt
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

JacksBratt

Searching for Truth
Site Supporter
Jul 5, 2014
16,282
6,485
62
✟570,686.00
Country
Canada
Faith
Protestant
Marital Status
Married
The book of Enoch is not of the Holy Spirit and not canon and useless for doctrine.
It is still useful for history. Many books from the ancient times are not canon.... it does not mean that they are fiction... why does everyone think that just because it is not canonized scripture, that it is all of a sudden of no use?

As far as I'm concerned... it maybe should have been considered canon... it is quoted in the bible.
 
Upvote 0

JacksBratt

Searching for Truth
Site Supporter
Jul 5, 2014
16,282
6,485
62
✟570,686.00
Country
Canada
Faith
Protestant
Marital Status
Married
They have shown how that was done several years ago---it is why the island, once teeming with trees, no longer had any---they used them to roll the stones on---which they found remnants of such workings.
A stone of 100 tons will not roll on logs... and... many of these megalithic perfectly cut stones are high in the mountains where there are no trees and no trees can grow.
 
  • Winner
Reactions: Kaon
Upvote 0

JacksBratt

Searching for Truth
Site Supporter
Jul 5, 2014
16,282
6,485
62
✟570,686.00
Country
Canada
Faith
Protestant
Marital Status
Married
View attachment 227166

You can say the Romans had some technology to move heavy stone but what about the hundreds of moai on Easter island who have sunken dozens of feet into the dirt? Who carved and moved those things if not giants?
I saw a really good documentary on the research that a university did on their theory of how the "heads" of Easter Island were moved... They even showed and tested how it was done...

One problem..... they didn't know that these things were 3/4 buried in the dirt and had bodies and legs.

Just goes to show you that the intelligence of men of today.... can solve a problem of how something was done... test it prove it and be totally WRONG... in the end.

If someone had not discovered the legs and bodies of these megalithic charactatures..... this university would go down in history as solving one of the great mysteries of this world ... and all of it would be an error.
 
  • Winner
Reactions: Kaon
Upvote 0

JacksBratt

Searching for Truth
Site Supporter
Jul 5, 2014
16,282
6,485
62
✟570,686.00
Country
Canada
Faith
Protestant
Marital Status
Married
Free will has nothing to do with having been created without the human reproductive parts to produce human sperm to impregnate a species that God had not even created yet. Free will is what tossed them out of heaven for following a once covering cherub who wanted to be God. You still have not answered any of my questions. I am waiting to hear the latest explanation for my questions which I have ben asking for 35 years and have had all sorts of really far out explanations that make even less sense, genetically, scripturally, or any other way.
Can you show me proof that these angelic beings, when they left their first estate, did not have the reproductive capabilities? Or, is it just that you can't bring yourself to believe it?

There is nothing to say that they didn't and lots of scripture that says that they did, in fact, mate with women.
 
  • Winner
Reactions: Kaon
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

mmksparbud

Well-Known Member
Dec 3, 2011
17,312
6,821
73
Las Vegas
✟255,978.00
Country
United States
Faith
SDA
Marital Status
Widowed
Politics
US-Others
I don't know "How" it worked in that sense.

All I know is what the written ancient records show us.

But when the research is done--the bible does not say that. I will not go by works not inspired by the Holy Spirit.


Like that isn't the answer for all of these.... Ropes and logs....solve everything.... Is there any trees on Easter Island?


They stripped them doing all this. And yes, this was after they discovered the legs. The evidence shows the island was once heavily full of trees.
 
Upvote 0

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Dec 28, 2017
3,779
2,856
Arizona
✟530,314.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Private
But when the research is done--the bible does not say that. I will not go by works not inspired by the Holy Spirit.


It Is inspired by the Holy Spirit and it Is Biblical Canon in the Ancient Christian Ethiopian Orthodox Church of today. It was in Pre Christian times with Essenes also.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: Kaon
Upvote 0

Radagast

comes and goes
Site Supporter
Dec 10, 2003
23,821
9,817
✟312,047.00
Country
Australia
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Single
As far as I'm concerned... it maybe should have been considered canon... it is quoted in the bible.

There's a "Book of Enoch" mentioned in the Bible, but it's not necessarily the same "Book of Enoch" in circulation today.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

mmksparbud

Well-Known Member
Dec 3, 2011
17,312
6,821
73
Las Vegas
✟255,978.00
Country
United States
Faith
SDA
Marital Status
Widowed
Politics
US-Others
Can you show me proof that these angelic beings, when they left their first estate, did not have the reproductive capabilities? Or, is it just that you can't bring yourself to believe it?

There is nothing to say that they didn't and lots of scripture that says that they did, in fact, mate with women.


I go by the word of God--Jesus said angels do not marry--which means no sex, that is why marriage was created, God does not have sex without it. Again--angels were created long before humans---they were created as messengers of God. They have male names--they are not sexual beings. God created mates for every living thing and He would have provided them with mates if that was His intention. God does not create dysfunctional beings. That is the word used in the original language--God saw that everything was functional--the original does not say good.
Again, angels were created long before man, created to not have mates, why would God give them the reproductive organs to mate with a species not yet created and declare them not able to marry? He would have had to recreate them to give them the proper equipment needed, with the proper DNA to be compatible with the female eggs in order to reproduce with humans. But then He wipes out the planet for them doing what He recreated them to do??? Don't think so. The scriptures do not say that when the proper research is done on the words and the scriptures are read correctly. People who believe in this theory will just simply ignore those studies. There are other studies that show this is not a true interpretation but people prefer to accept it rather than the truth. Why, I do not know.
 
Upvote 0
Status
Not open for further replies.