Freedom from religion.

bugkiller said:

This is not a fellowship section of the forum. It is a debate and discussion part of the forum.

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And this was not ever my point, I stand very strong to my original post to him

A thread topic does not make it right to break Gods laws.

W2L said:

I don't follow holidays, nor holy days. Why are you trying to argue that we all have organized religion? From my perspective organized religion is full of strife. Just look at what religion does on these forums. Man you can have that heavy yoke, but dont try to hang it on my neck.

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Or mine.

bugkiller

Danielwright2311 said:

And this was not ever my point, I stand very strong to my original post to him

A thread topic does not make it right to break Gods laws.

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bugkiller

CHRISTIANITY is not a religion.

IT IS A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.

This is what makes it different from all other religions.

In India, there are thousands of gods. But out of all of their gods, they don't have a god of love.

God seeks you out. He LOVES YOU. Believe and you will be freed from this world.

bugkiller said:

Now where do they say worship?

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I love challenges like this. Just signed up to answer. Hope I’m not too late. Don’t know what translation you prefer. Will use whichever of them acceptable to Protestants that seems to me clearest & closest to Greek—according to textual analysis; I don’t know Greek, sorry. Also, my main Bible-research site is the Protestant Bible Hub (because it has textual analysis & tons of other useful features). Still, these verses, & the definition of ‘worship’ will probably seem shockingly Catholic.

First, what does ‘worship’ mean? It doesn’t mean ‘pray to’, & it doesn’t necessarily mean ‘honor as God’. The etymology is ‘worth-ship’, i.e. whatever thing is worth giving or doing. And so there can even be the secular title ‘Your Worship’. In the Bible, the word most often translated as ‘worship’ is proskyneó, root of proskynesis, which is ‘prostration’. Definitions incl. ‘to kiss the ground when prostrating before a superior…fall down/prostrate oneself to adore on one's knees…do obeisance…to kiss…to kiss the hand to (toward) one, in token of reverence…to fall upon the knees and touch the ground with the forehead as an expression of profound reverence (“to make a ‘salam’”)…in the N. T. by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication. It is used a. of homage shown to men of superior rank…b. of homage rendered to God and the ascended Christ, to heavenly beings, and to demons…[to] prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore)—worship.’ Also it ‘suggests the willingness to make all necessary physical gestures of obeisance.’ (And so it’s not idolatry to ‘worship’ the Virgin Mary or other saints, it’s merely giving them whatever respect they deserve.) Other words translated as ‘worship’ have similar definitions.

So here are verses commanding worship/proskynesis… (I may have missed some, or a lot.)

• Give thanks unto the LORD with harp, Sing praises unto Him with the psaltery of ten strings. (Ps 33:2)
• Exalt the LORD our God; bow in worship at His footstool. He is holy. (Ps 99:5)
  
• For from the rising of the sun to its setting my name will be great among the nations, and in every place incense will be offered to my name, and a pure offering. For my name will be great among the nations, says the LORD of hosts. (Mal 1:11)
  
• ‘You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve.’ (Mt 4:10b)
• Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, yet you Jews say that the place to worship is in Jerusalem.” Jesus told [the Samaritan woman], “Believe Me, woman, an hour is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. You Samaritans worship what you do not know. We worship what we do know, because salvation is from the Jews. But an hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth. Yes, the Father wants such people to worship Him. God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” (Jn 4:20–24)
• Therefore also indeed, the first [Covenant] had regulations of worship and an earthly sanctuary. (Heb 9:1) …i.e. it was taken for granted that we Christians have regulations of worship.
• And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, having an eternal gospel to preach to those who live on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people; and he said with a loud voice, “Fear God, and give Him glory, because the hour of His judgment has come; worship Him who made the heaven and the earth and sea and springs of waters.” (Rev 14:6,7)
• Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. (Rev 19:10d,e)

sunlover1 said:

It says "All Scripture" in the passage.
Your commentary below says "The Law".
What gives?

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ALL SCRIPTURE is the Law, the Psalms, and the Prophets. But now that Christ is IN ME now I can obey the requirements of the Law, as a matter of fact when God sees me He sees holiness, sinless-ness, and righteousness. He doesn't see sinner.

ChangesForRachel said:

CHRISTIANITY is not a religion.

IT IS A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.

This is what makes it different from all other religions.

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Lol, if that's not a dogmatic statement I'm not sure what is.
Funny how you're also making assumptions about "OTHER" religions, while acknowledging that 'your relationship with a deity' is another religion!

buzuxi02 said:

Lol, if that's not a dogmatic statement I'm not sure what is.
Funny how you are also making assumptions about "OTHER" religions, which your acknowledging that 'your relationship with a deity' is religion!

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No, a religion is a set of rules a person must follow for a belief, A relationship is not a religion.

Danielwright2311 said:

No, a religion is a set of rules a person must follow for a belief, A relationship is not a religion.

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So what does this relationship entail???? If the person does not need to follow anything then he is a Druze. The Druze is the only religion that does not require participation by its adherents. If he is not a Druze then the individual is simply what mamy nominal secular westerners like to describe themselves as: "spiritual".

Andrew Jeremiah said:

ALL SCRIPTURE is the Law, the Psalms, and the Prophets. But now that Christ is IN ME now I can obey the requirements of the Law, as a matter of fact when God sees me He sees holiness, sinless-ness, and righteousness. He doesn't see sinner.

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In Christ, the law of the Spirit of life has set you free from the law of sin and death.
Yes, we're no longer under the law.
We don't obey the law, we obey the Spirit, which is an upgrade.

The Bible is universally recognized as a book of religion. The fact that W2L and Doug Melven repudiate religion means that that don't take the Bible seriously and rather are here to troll and put on a pious display. I'm grateful that they are at least honest about their true views.

buzuxi02 said:

So what does this relationship entail???? If the person does not need to follow anything then he is a Druze. The Druze is the only religion that does not require participation by its adherents. If he is not a Druze then the individual is simply what mamy nominal secular westerners like to describe themselves as: "spiritual".

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You follow the lord God with love and emotion and faith not a set of rules, you don't have to, its a personal relationship.

When God responds back then it is a relationship.

All other fake Gods don't respond back and don't love you or help you or heal you.

you are using other beliefs to justify religion, see? I follow God, not religion.

All other fake gods use the word religion because there is no real God to it, no real relationship.
No real God to have a relationship with.

Danielwright2311 said:

You follow the lord God with love and emotion and faith not a set of rules, you don't have to, its a personal relationship.

When God responds back then it is a relationship.

All other fake Gods don't respond back and don't love you or help you or heal you.

you are using other beliefs to justify religion, see? I follow God, not religion.

All other fake gods use the word religion because there is no real God to it, no real relationship.
No real God to have a relationship with.

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So your a spiritualist? And your generic almighty power is real while everyone else's generic almighty power is fake. But their generic deity can become real if they follow your philosophy on it(religion). OK, Got it.

buzuxi02 said:

So your a spiritualist? And your generic almighty power is real while everyone else's generic almighty power is fake. But their generic deity can become real if they follow your philosophy on it(religion). OK, Got it.

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There is no other so called religion I have tried in my whole 44 years that has a real God, I know for a fact, I tried them.

Life is lived by experience

The true God of heaven has shown him self to me many times as a living God, real, all the others, nothing, ever.

So what do you call this "other" God? Has he revealed himself to any other besides you? Of course you must be religious then if you invested so much time seeking him out for 44 years.

buzuxi02 said:

So what do you call this "other" God? Has he revealed himself to any other besides you? Of course you must be religious then if you invested so much time seeking him out for 44 years.

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The one true God, the creator of all things.

Like I already stated, a religion is a set of practices you preform for a belief. its not the belief its self.

I don't have to preform any rituals to follow the one true living God.

He has reveled himself to billions though out the life span of humans.

stop calling religion a belief, its not the same thing.

It will happen to you one day I'm Shure, one day in your life you will need him, and call out to him, and he will answer. He is here for all of us just not Christians.

buzuxi02 said:

So what do you call this "other" God? Has he revealed himself to any other besides you? Of course you must be religious then if you invested so much time seeking him out for 44 years.

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Let me ask you something?

Why are you so against my God and not others? or my belief and not others?

You talk like you hold more credence to all the other Gods but mine, this sounds a little fishy.

Its like if I believed in a old mythical God that would be ok, but now I'm a Christian that not right.

bugkiller said:

Or mine.

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The Bible itself sets up an organized religion, defining and describing both the hierarchy and substance of the church service. God started out this way in the Old Testament church as well handing down the Law and its requirements...God is a God of order and He requires accountability.
This is not to negate the importance of a very personal relationship each of us has with our Heavenly Father. Where one relationship need is lacking that need is met by the other. BOTH are very important aspects of Christianity all according to the Scriptures...and as Christ Himself said:...and the Scriptures cannot be broken.