Has anyone already see Nephilim?

Nathan2018 said:

I don't know if this is true or not but I think that I have seen some Nephilim (giant humans). They are allegedly related to free masonry.

I don't know if they are humans born giant (some people are taller than other, so maybe the Nephilim are just humans who are really tall) or if they are regular humans that some scientist have made giant by giving them growth hormone (which would be a masonic secret).

So, do you have information about Nephilim?

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Hi the Nephalim are pre and post flood hybids described in Gen. The book of Enoch quoted in the Bible talks a lot about it. There is a guy named LA Marzulli who is a sound Christian who has looked into this quite a bit. His reports are pretty interesting as there are many entries in newspapers and university logs about finding giant human skeletons. These are not tabloid type recordings but the government like Roswell took all the physical evidence. If you search his name and videos you will have a lot to choose from. There is an interesting intersection between the hybrids and the UFO activity. In reality are they from another planet or another dimension. The book of Job describes Satan going to the LORD and was asked where he was, He said he was going to and fro throughout the earth. The end times declares it will be as the days of Noah and this could imply more than a moral decline. We are seeing genetic experiments messing with human genome and the rise to merge man with machines. Things are interesting the more information you have the better. Jesus said there would be lying sings and wonders that even the elect could be fooled if possible. The verse in Deut to tell if a prophet is false begins with a warning of them trying to turn you to other Gods. The Catholic church has a infrared telescope in Arizona named the Lucifer telescope. The head astronomer was interviewed and said when, not if our space brothers arrive... They will not challenge the authority of the pope and they will be without the sin of Adam and that they would fundementally change our view of the Bible. Look him up and a non Christian David Icke has also spent a lot of time researching this stuff and he concurs on interdimensional beings and a Luciferian agenda.

mmksparbud said:

That is soooo silly---you're talking about angels that were kicked out of heaven--they have no regard for heavenly things--but they MARRY human women? Why would they have a religious ceremony??



"The word "nephilim" as used in Gen 6:4 and Num 13:33 is simply an anglocizing of the Hebrew word nephiyl. If it were to be translated it would be simply "the fallen".
this opens up a whole new hermeneutical question about how then should we interpret these people described both before the flood in Gen 6 as "the fallen" and then again after the flood when the spies brought back their report about the promised land being filled with "the fallen" who are also described as giants.
Different interpretations have described the nephilim as fallen angels, others as fallen men, some have categorized only the sons of Cain as the nephilim in Gen 6, but then how are they reappearing after the flood? or if it is fallen angels, do we see the earth invaded by fallen angels not once but twice?
I think the most consistent view of the Nephilim would consist of those who have fallen away from faith and reliance upon God. Those who think that they can achieve greatness absent from God's presence.
[There were giants in the earth] npiliym , from naaphal , "he fell." Those who had apostatized or fallen from the true religion. The Septuagint translate the original word by gigantes, which literally signifies earth-born, and which we, following them, term giants, without having any reference to the meaning of the word, which we generally conceive to signify persons of enormous stature. But the word when properly understood makes a very just disinction between the sons of men and the sons of God; those were the nephilim , the fallen earth-born men, with the animal and devilish mind. These were the sons of God, who were born from above, children of the kingdom, because children of God. Hence, we may suppose originated the different appellatives given to sinners and saints, the former were termed gigantes (Greek), "earth-born", and the latter, hagioi , i.e. saints, persons not of the earth, or separated from the earth.
[The same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.] giboriym , which we render "mighty men", signifies properly conquerors, heroes, from gaabar , "he prevailed, was victorious." and °ansheey hashem , "men of the name," anthroopoi onomastoi , Septuagint; the same as we render men of renown, renominati, twice named, as the word implies, having one name which they derived from their fathers, and another which they acquired by their daring exploits and enterprises.
It may be necessary to remark here that our translators have rendered seven different Hebrew words by the one term giants, viz., nephilim. gibborim, enachim, rephaim, emim, and zamzummim; by which appellatives are probably meant in general persons of great knowledge, piety, courage, wickedness, etc., and not men of enormous stature, as is generally conjectured. (from Adam Clarke's Commentary, Electronic Database. Copyright © 1996, 2003, 2005, 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)
http://hermeneutics.stackexchange.c...english-equivalent-for-nephilim-of-genesis-64

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VI. And Noach was a son of five hundred years, and Noach begat Shem, Cham, and Japheth. And it was when the sons of men had begun to multiply upon the earth, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of the mighty[32] saw the daughters of men that they were beautiful, and took to them wives of all whom they pleased.[33] And the Lord said, This evil generation shall not stand before me for ever, because they are flesh, and their works are evil. A term (or length) will I give them, an hundred and twenty years, if they may be converted. Giants were in the earth in those days; and also when, after that the sons of the mighty had gone in unto the daughters of men, there were born from them giants who from of old were men of name.



And the Lord saw that the wickedness of man had multiplied in the earth, and that every formation (or image) of the thought of his heart was only evil every day. And it repented the Lord in His Word that He had made men upon the earth. And He said, (in His Word,)[34] that He would break their strength according to His pleasure. And the Lord said, Man whom I have made will I blot out[35] I from the face of the earth;‑from man to the beast, to the reptile, and to the fowls of heaven; because it repenteth Me in My Word that I have made them. But Noach found mercy before the Lord.


Targum

The targumim were spoken paraphrases, explanations and expansions of the Jewish scriptures that a rabbi would give in the common language of the listeners, which was then often Aramaic. That had become necessary near the end of the 1st century BCE, as the common language was in transition and Hebrew was used for little more than schooling and worship. The noun "Targum" is derived from the early semitic quadriliteral root trgm, and the Akkadian term targummanu refers to "translator, interpreter". It occurs in the Hebrew Bible in Ezra 4:7 "... and the writing of the letter was written in the Syrian tongue and interpreted in the Syrian tongue." Besides denoting the translations of the Bible, the term Targum also denote the oral rendering of Bible lections in synagogue, while the translator of the Bible was simply called hammeturgem. Other than the meaning "translate" the verb Tirgem also means "to explain". The word Targum refers to "translation" and argumentation or "explanation".

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You call angels demoted from their heaven/estate substantiating into human form in order to mate with women silly, but we have a Savior that performed the greatest magic(k) trick ever (resurrection)- and you believe you have a leg to stand on calling what I said silly? We are pot and kettle; my hope is that you, too, realize this. That, what I am saying is not some ungodly thing. This is stuff our Savior has said - don't let the fact that it isn't in the Western canon negate the Word of God. It is in your canon too, as many have already pointed out.

We are the children of the Most High God; He formed us. You can't see a reason why demoted angels would try to mate with the direct formation of the Most High God endowed with His Spirit?

I won't press you any further, but the truth is much stranger than fiction, especially when it comes to spirit. We wrestle against powers, authorities, principalities (a real classes of creation of God,) and spiritual wickedness in high places; please further look into the subject, and don't let a breach of social paradigm cause you to miss out on real information concerning you, and your spirit.

Enjoy your evening.

Brian Mcnamee said:

Hi the Nephalim are pre and post flood hybids described in Gen. The book of Enoch quoted in the Bible talks a lot about it. There is a guy named LA Marzulli who is a sound Christian who has looked into this quite a bit. His reports are pretty interesting as there are many entries in newspapers and university logs about finding giant human skeletons. These are not tabloid type recordings but the government like Roswell took all the physical evidence. If you search his name and videos you will have a lot to choose from. There is an interesting intersection between the hybrids and the UFO activity. In reality are they from another planet or another dimension. The book of Job describes Satan going to the LORD and was asked where he was, He said he was going to and fro throughout the earth. The end times declares it will be as the days of Noah and this could imply more than a moral decline. We are seeing genetic experiments messing with human genome and the rise to merge man with machines. Things are interesting the more information you have the better. Jesus said there would be lying sings and wonders that even the elect could be fooled if possible. The verse in Deut to tell if a prophet is false begins with a warning of them trying to turn you to other Gods. The Catholic church has a infrared telescope in Arizona named the Lucifer telescope. The head astronomer was interviewed and said when, not if our space brothers arrive... They will not challenge the authority of the pope and they will be without the sin of Adam and that they would fundementally change our view of the Bible. Look him up and a non Christian David Icke has also spent a lot of time researching this stuff and he concurs on interdimensional beings and a Luciferian agenda.

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Much of this is part of the meat Paul was talking about - which is why he fed people with milk, lest they miss the whole point distracted by the alleged fantastical.

Once you know about The Nephilim / Giants and fallen angels mating with humans it becomes clear that The Great Pyramid was built Before The Flood and that the stories from ancient Greece about The Titans, Hurcules and Ancient Egypt come from the time Before The Flood:









I mean Really ask your self Who and How such Huge Stones were moved :

These Heads were found in Mexico. Not Africa, Mexico .....

More Artwork depicting Giants :

Kaon said:

You call angels demoted from their heaven/estate substantiating into human form in order to mate with women silly, but we have a Savior that performed the greatest magic(k) trick ever (resurrection)- and you believe you have a leg to stand on calling what I said silly? We are pot and kettle; my hope is that you, too, realize this. That, what I am saying is not some ungodly thing. This is stuff our Savior has said - don't let the fact that it isn't in the Western canon negate the Word of God. It is in your canon too, as many have already pointed out.

We are the children of the Most High God; He formed us. You can't see a reason why demoted angels would try to mate with the direct formation of the Most High God endowed with His Spirit?

I won't press you any further, but the truth is much stranger than fiction, especially when it comes to spirit. We wrestle against powers, authorities, principalities (a real classes of creation of God,) and spiritual wickedness in high places; please further look into the subject, and don't let a breach of social paradigm cause you to miss out on real information concerning you, and your spirit.

Enjoy your evening.

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You seriously think that fallen angels are able to do anything that God does not allow? Do you hold them to have the same power as our Savior? Angels where never created to procreate--You really think that God created millions of angels , all males, as the only named ones are male, but gave them the equipment to mate with humans, which had not even been created yet, but did not create mates for the angels--Jesus says they do not marry in heaven and that means no sex for that is why marriage was made for and the only way that it is allowed by God. That is a pretty sad idea of who our God is--millions of angels up there all wanting to mate and nobody to mate with, but God gives every other living thing a mate! Fallen angels posses, they do not become human, they can appear to be human, not the same thing. We were created lower than the angels--we are not of the same kind, only us were created in the image of God. Every living thing is in under the direct command of God "after their kind." We are not about to be transformed into the image of fallen angels with God's consent--and no angel can no anything that God does not allow--even Satan required permission to put his hand on Job. Strange, also, that the only thing that these hybrids inherited from these angels was height---what happened to the wings? Lucifer was a covering cherub---they have 4 wings and they block the full glory of the Father from the rest if the angels. There are some with 6 wings. Let me guess--they fell off when they fell.
A 30 foot giant is going to mate with a woman---is he "proportional."---Mating with that would pretty well rip her apart--not to mention the baby would likely kill her---just try and have a Chihuahua carry the puppies of a Mastiff--will not happen, she will die and the puppies with her. A little woman can give birth to a normal baby--but with a C section and it is a high risk pregnancy---good grief, the child of a 30 foot giant --really?? Oh, yes---the fallen angels manipulate their human sperm (from in human bodies) to create small babies was the last one I heard!

The Flood waters deposited sand covering the sphinx's body until the 1800's :

mmksparbud said:

A 30 foot giant is going to mate with a woman---is he "proportional."---Mating with that would pretty well rip her apart--not to mention the baby would likely kill her-

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It was the fallen angels that mated with the humans not the giants. (Maybe some did I don't know)

The Giants were just the Result.

• This is A Collective Post of Early Church Fathers and Others Mentioning The Book Of Enoch OR mentioning Fallen Angels mating with Human Women :



1. • Tertullian - On the Apparel of Women - Book 1 - Chapter 3:1-3 (160-220 A.D.)

“I am aware that The Scripture Of Enoch which has assigned this order of action to angels, is not received by some, because it is not admitted into the Jewish canon either. I suppose they did not think that, having been published before the deluge, it could have safely survived that world-wide calamity, the abolisher of all things. If that is the reason for rejecting it, let them recall to their memory that Noah, the survivor of the deluge, was the great-grandson of Enoch himself; and he, of course, had heard and remembered, from domestic renown and hereditary tradition, concerning his own great-grandfather’s ‘grace in the sight of God,’ (Genesis 6:8) and concerning all his preachings; since Enoch had given no other charge to Methuselah than that he should hand on the knowledge of them to his posterity. Noah therefore, no doubt, might have succeeded in the trusteeship of his preaching; or, had the case been otherwise, he would not have been silent alike concerning the disposition of things made by God, his Preserver, and concerning the particular glory of his own house.
“If Noah had not had this conservative power by so short a route, there would still be this consideration to warrant our assertion of the genuineness of this Scripture: he could equally have renewed it, under the Spirit’s inspiration, after it had been destroyed by the violence of the deluge, as, after the destruction of Jerusalem by the Babylonian storming of it, every document of the Jewish literature is generally agreed to have been restored through Ezra.
“But since Enoch in the same Scripture has preached likewise concerning the Lord, nothing at all must be rejected by us which pertains to us; and we read that ‘every Scripture suitable for edification is divinely inspired.’ (2 Timothy 3:16) By the Jews it may now seem to have been rejected for that very reason, just like all the other portions nearly which tell of Christ. Nor, of course, is this fact wonderful, that they did not receive some Scriptures which spake of Him whom even in person, speaking in their presence, they were not to receive. To these considerations is added the fact that Enoch possesses a testimony in the Apostle Jude.” (Jude 1:14-15)

CHURCH FATHERS: On the Apparel of Women (Tertullian)





2. • Tertullian - On the Apparel of Women - Book 2 - Chapter 10 - (160-220 A.D.)

But, if the self-same angels who disclosed both the material substances of this kind and their charms— of gold, I mean, and lustrous stones— and taught men how to work them, and by and by instructed them, among their other (instructions), in (the virtues of) eyelid-powder and the dyeings of fleeces, have been condemned by God,As Enoch Tells Us, how shall we please God while we joy in the thingsof those (angles) who, on these accounts, have provoked the anger and the vengeance of God?

CHURCH FATHERS: On the Apparel of Women (Tertullian)





Tertullian Quoting 1 Enoch 99:6-7


3. • Tertullian - On Idolatry - Chapter 4 (160-220 A.D.)

Enoch had preceded, predicting that the demons, and the spirits of the angelic apostates, would turn into idolatry all the elements, all the garniture of the universe, all things contained in the heaven, in the sea, in the earth, that they might be consecrated as God, in opposition to God. All things, therefore, does human error worship, except the Founder of all Himself. The images of those things are idols; the consecration of the images is idolatry. Whatever guilt idolatry incurs, must necessarily be imputed to every artificer of every idol. In short, the same Enoch fore-condemns in general menace both idol-worshippers and idol-makers together. And again: "I swear to you, sinners, that against the day of perdition of blood repentance is being prepared. You who serve stones, and you who make images of gold, and silver, and wood, and stones and clay, and serve phantoms, and demons, and spiritsin fanes, and all errors not according to knowledge, shall find no help from them "

• Tertullian - On Idolatry - Chapter 4 (160-220 A.D.)

CHURCH FATHERS: On Idolatry (Tertullian)


And again I swear to you, ye sinners, that sin is prepared for a day of unceasing bloodshed. And they who worship stones, and grave images of gold and silver and wood (and stone) and clay, and those who worship impure spirits and demons, and all kinds of idols not according to knowledge, shall get no manner of help from them.

• 1 Enoch 99:6-7

Books of Enoch





4. • Origen - de Principiis - Book 1 - Chapter 3 - Section 3 (185-254 A.D.)

That all things were created by God, and that there is no creature which exists but has derived from Him its being, is established from many declarations of Scripture; those assertions being refuted and rejected which are falsely alleged by some respecting the existence either of a matter co-eternal with God, or of unbegotten souls, in which they would have it that God implanted not so much the power of existence, as equality and order. For even in that little treatise called The Pastor or Angel of Repentance, composed by Hennas, we have the following: "First of all, believe that there is one God who created and arranged all things; who, when nothing formerly existed, caused all things to be; who Himself contains all things, but Himself is contained by none." And In The Book Of Enoch Also We Have Similar Descriptions.

ANF4 Prologue of Rufinus, Book I





5. • Anatolius (3rd Century)- Ante Nicene Fathers - Book 6 - Section 5

But I shall pass on without demanding such copious demonstrations (on subjects ) from which the veil of the Mosaic law has been removed; for now it remains for us with unveiled face to behold ever as in a glass Christ Himself and the doctrines and sufferings of Christ. But that the first month among the Hebrews is about the equinox, Is Clearly Shown Also By What Is Taught In The Book Of Enoch.

ANF6 Anatolius and Minor Writers Translator's Biographical Notice.




6. • Justin Martyr - Second Apology - Chapter 5 (100-165 A.D.)

“But The Angels Transgressed this appointment, and were captivated by love of women, and begat children who are those that are called demons; and besides, they afterwards subdued the human race to themselves, partly by magical writings, and partly by fears and the punishments they occasioned, and partly by teaching them to offer sacrifices, and incense, and libations, of which things they stood in need after they were enslaved by lustful passions; and among men they sowed murders, wars, adulteries, intemperate deeds, and all wickedness. Whence also the poets and mythologists, not knowing that it was the angels and those demons who had been begotten by them that did these things to men, and women, and cities, and nations, which they related, ascribed them to god himself, and to those who were accounted to be his very offspring, and to the offspring of those who were called his brothers, Neptune and Pluto, and to the children again of these their offspring. For whatever name each of the angels had given to himself and his children, by that name they called them“.

CHURCH FATHERS: The Second Apology (St. Justin Martyr)





7. • Athenagoras of Alexandria - A Plea For The Christians - Chapters 24 and 25 : (133-190 A.D.)

Just as with men, who have freedom of choice as to both virtue and vice (for you would not either honour the good or punish the bad, unless vice and virtue were in their own power; and some are diligent in the matters entrusted to them by you, and others faithless), so is it among The Angels. Some, free agents, you will observe, such as they were created by God, continued in those things for which God had made and over which He had ordained them; but some outraged both the constitution of their nature and the government entrusted to them: namely, this ruler of matter and its various forms, and others of those who were placed about this first firmament (you know that we say nothing without witnesses, but state the things which have been declared by the prophets); these fell into impure love of virgins, and were subjugated by the flesh, and he became negligent and wicked in the management of the things entrusted to him. Of these lovers of virgins, therefore, were begotten those who are called giants. And if something has been said by the poets, too, about the giants, be not surprised at this: worldly Wisdom and divine differ as much from each other as truth and plausibility: the one is of heaven and the other of earth; and indeed, according to the prince of matter,- Chapter 24


These Angels, then, who have fallen from heaven, and haunt the air and the earth, and are no longer able to rise to heavenly things, and the souls of the giants, which are the demons who wander about the world, perform actions similar, the one (that is, the demons) to the natures they have received, the other (that is, the angels) to the appetites they have indulged. But the prince of matter, as may be seen merely from what transpires, exercises a control and management contrary to the good that is in God:- Chapter 25

ANF2 Athenagoras the Athenian: Philosopher and Christian





8. • Irenaeus - The Proof of the Apostolic Preaching 18 (130-202 A.D)

“And for a very long while wickedness extended and spread, and reached and laid hold upon the whole race of mankind, until a very small seed of righteousness remained among them: and illicit unions took place upon the earth, since angels were united with the daughters of the race of mankind; and they bore to them sons who for their exceeding greatness were called giants. And the angels brought as presents to their wives teachings of wickedness, in that they brought them the virtues of roots and herbs, dyeing in colours and cosmetics, the discovery of rare substances, love-potions, aversions, amours, concupiscence, constraints of love, spells of bewitchment, and all sorcery and idolatry hateful to God; by the entry of which things into the world evil extended and spread, while righteousness was diminished and enfeebled.”

Irenaeus, The Proof of the Apostolic Preaching (1920) pp. 69-151.

The “Church Fathers” and the Book of Enoch

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9. • Titus Flavius Josephus - The Antiquities of the Jews - Book 1 - Chapter 3

(37-100 A.D.)

Now this posterity of Seth continued to esteem God as the Lord of the universe, and to have an entire regard to virtue, for seven generations; but in process of time they were perverted, and forsook the practices of their forefathers, and did neither pay those honors to God which were appointed to them, nor had they any concern to do justice towards men. But for what degree of zeal they had formerly shown for virtue, they now showed by their actions a double degree of wickedness; whereby they made God to be their enemy, for Many Angels Of God Accompanied With Women And Begat Sons that proved unjust, and despisers of all that was good, on account of the confidence they had in their own strength; for the tradition is, that these men did what resembled the acts of those whom the Grecians Called Giants. But Noah was very uneasy at what they did; and, being displeased at their conduct, persuaded them to change their dispositions and their acts for the better; but, seeing that they did not yield to him, but were slaves to their wicked pleasures, he was afraid they would kill him, together with his wife and children, and those they had married; so he departed out of that land.

The Antiquities of the Jews, by Flavius Josephus





10. • Philo of Alexandria - On The Giants - (25 B.C.-50 A.D.)

And when The Angels of God saw the daughters of men that they were beautiful, They Took Unto Themselves Wives of all of them whom they Chose." Those beings, whom other philosophers call demons, Moses usually calls angels; and they are souls hovering in the air. And let no one suppose, that what is here stated is a fable,for it is necessarily true that the universe must be filled with living things in all its parts, since every one of its primary and elementary portions contains its appropriate animals and such as are consistent with its nature; --the earth containing terrestrial animals, the sea and the rivers containing aquatic animals, and the fire such as are born in the fire (but it is said, that such as these last are found chiefly in Macedonia), and the heaven containing the stars: for these also are entire souls pervading the universe, being unadulterated and divine, inasmuch as they move in a circle, which is the kind of motion most akin to the mind, for every one of them is the parent mind.

Philo: On the Giants





11. • Archelaus - The Acts of The Disputation with The Heresiarch Manes - Chapter 32 (3rd Century)

Hence also certain of The Angels, refusing to submit themselves to the commandment of God, resisted His will; and one of them indeed fell like a flash of lightning upon the earth, While Others, harassed by the dragon, sought their felicity In Intercourse With The Daughters Of Men, and thus brought on themselves the merited award of the punishment of eternal fire.


ANF06. Fathers of the Third Century: Gregory Thaumaturgus, Dionysius the Great, Julius Africanus, Anatolius, and Minor Writers, Methodius, Arn - Christian Classics Ethereal Library





12. • Commodianus - The Instructions of Commodianus - Chapter 3 - (3rd Century)
When Almighty God, to beautify the nature of the world, willed that that earth should be visited By Angels, when they were sent down they despised His laws. Such was the beauty of women, that it turned them aside; so that, being contaminated, they could not return to heaven. Rebels from God, they uttered words against Him. Then the Highest uttered His judgment against them; and from their Seed Giants are said to have been born. By them arts were made known in the earth, and they taught the dyeing of wool, and everything which is done; and to them, when they died, men erected images. But the Almighty, because they were of an evil seed, did not approve that, when dead, they should be brought back from death. Whence wandering they now subvert many bodies, and it is such as these especially that ye this day worship and pray to as gods.

ANF04. Fathers of the Third Century: Tertullian, Part Fourth; Minucius Felix; Commodian; Origen, Parts First and Second - Christian Classics Ethereal Library





13. • Eusebius of Caesarea - Preparations - Book 5 - Chapter 4 - (263-339 A.D.)

And this argument is still further confirmed by Plutarch, in the passage where he says that the mythical narratives told as concerning gods are certain tales about daemons, and the deeds of Giants and Titans celebrated in song among the Greeks are also stories about daemons, intended to suggest a new phase of thought.

Of this kind then perhaps were the statements in the Sacred Scripture concerning the giants before the Mood, and those concerning their progenitors, of whom it is said, 'And when The Angels of God saw The Daughters Of Men that they were fair, They Took Unto Them Wives Of All That They Chose,' and of these were born 'The Giants the men of renown which were of old.'

For one might say That These Demons Are Those Giants, And That Their Spirits Have Been Deified By The Subsequent Generations Of Men, and that their battles, and their quarrels among themselves, and their wars are the subjects of these legends that are told as of gods. Plutarch indeed, in the discourse which he composed On Isis and the gods of the Egyptians, speaks as follows word for word:

Eusebius of Caesarea: Praeparatio Evangelica (Preparation for the Gospel). Tr. E.H. Gifford (1903) -- Book 5

mmksparbud said:

You seriously think that fallen angels are able to do anything that God does not allow?

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Ask our Father for clarity and openness about what I am saying, and to divide what I have said against the truth in the name of our Savior. Then, discern for yourself. As a matter of fact, as our Father for clarity on what you have seen in this entire thread, and to guide you in the right direction according to His will.

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14. • Tertullian - The Five Books Against Marcion - Book 5 - Chapter 18 (160-220 A.D.)
But “the spiritual wickedness” did not signify the Creator, because of the apostle’s additional description, “in heavenly places;” for the apostle was quite aware that “spiritual wickedness” had been at work in heavenly places, when angels were entrapped into sin by the daughters of men

CHURCH FATHERS: Against Marcion, Book V (Tertullian)




15. • Tertullian - On Idolatry - Chapter 9 - (160-220 A.D.)
One proposition I lay down: that those angels, the deserters from God, the lovers of women, were likewise the discoverers of this curious art, on that account also condemned by God.

CHURCH FATHERS: On Idolatry (Tertullian)





16. • Tertullian - On Prayer - Chapter 22 - (160-220 A.D.)
For indeed it is “on account of the angels” that he saith women must be veiled, because on account of “the daughters of men” angels revolted from God.

CHURCH FATHERS: On Prayer (Tertullian)





17. • Irenaeus - Against Heresies - Book 4 - Chapter 36 - (130-202 A.D.)
Since the Son of God is always one and the same, He gives to those who believe on Him a well of water [springing up] to eternal life, but He causes the unfruitful fig-tree immediately to dry up; and in the days of Noah He justly brought on the deluge for the purpose of extinguishing that most infamous race of men then existent, who could not bring forth fruit to God, since the angels that sinned had commingled with them, and [acted as He did] in order that He might put a check upon the sins of these men, but [that at the same time] He might preserve the archetype, the formation of Adam

CHURCH FATHERS: Against Heresies, IV.36 (St. Irenaeus)




18. • Irenaeus - Against Heresies - Book 4 - Chapter 16 -
(130-202 A.D.)
Enoch, too, pleasing God, without circumcision, discharged the office of God’s legate to the angels although he was a man, and was translated, and is preserved until now as a witness of the just judgment of God, because the angels when they had transgressed fell to the earth for judgment, but the man who pleased [God] was translated for salvation.

CHURCH FATHERS: Against Heresies, IV.16 (St. Irenaeus)





19. • Clement - The Stromata - Book 5 - Chapter 1 -
(150-215 A.D.)

And we showed in the first Miscellany that the philosophers of the Greeks are called thieves, inasmuch as they have taken without acknowledgment their principal dogmas from Moses and the prophets. To which also we shall add, that the angels who had obtained the superior rank, having sunk into pleasures, told to the women the secrets which had come to their knowledge; while the rest of the angels concealed them, or rather, kept them against the coming of the Lord. Thence emanated the doctrine of providence, and the revelation of high things; and prophecy having already been imparted to the philosophers of the Greeks, the treatment of dogma arose among the philosophers,

Clement of Alexandria: Stromata, Book 5





20. • Lactantius (3rd to 4th Century) The Divine Institutes - The Epitome, - Chapter 27
But when God saw this, He sent His angels to instruct the race of men, and to protect them from all evil. He gave these a command to abstain from earthly things, lest, being polluted by any taint, they should be deprived of the honour of angels. But that wily accuser, while they tarried among men, allured these also to pleasures, so that they might defile themselves with women. Then, being condemned by the sentence of God, and cast forth on account of their sins, they lost both the name and substance of angels. Thus, having become ministers of the devil, that they might have a solace of their ruin, they betook themselves to the ruining of men, for whose protection they had come.

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:

I mean Really ask your self Who and How such Huge Stones were moved :

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By the Romans.

Anto9us said:

Maybe the 'sons of God" BECAME 'fallen angels' just because of this interbreeding with humans -- they "left their first estate" and got special punishment.

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The angels, in the early bible were called "sons of God". The fallen ones fell because they followed Satan.
They mated with human women, in order to destroy the human bloodline and make Christ's coming as a man/God impossible. They "left their first estate" meaning they shed their totally spiritual form and took on a physical form. No angels in the bible, anywhere, are female.

You are right, "Cement", Rob Skiba has an excellent talk on this topic. It all fits like a fine puzzle, not only with very ancient history, post flood history, history after Christ and even in our future events that will unfold.


I have absolutely no idea why people cannot grasp the fact that the earth, and the beings on it, were not always as they are today..... what makes these giants so toxic to some peoples beliefs.

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:

The Flood waters deposited sand covering the sphinx's body until the 1800's :

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You can tell by the weathering on it’s body it’s been covered all the way with water. It being partially buried helped preserve the lower portion but the pinhead size head due to weathering looks very small in comparison to the lower body. It’s clear that some pharaoh tried to carve his face on it to make future people think he may have built it. Egyptologists still want us to believe it’s because the Nile river flooded the Giza Plateau.

Cement said:

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Also I don’t know about the age of the Pyramids however the Sphinx is clearly pre flood era. You can tell by the weathering on it’s body it’s been covered all the way with water. It being partially buried helped preserve the lower portion but the pinhead size head due to weathering looks very small in comparison to the lower body. It’s clear that some pharaoh tried to carve his face on it to make future people think he may have built it. Egyptologists still want us to believe it’s because the Nile river flooded the Giza Plateau.

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Interesting.

Also, let's really ask ourselves why The Pharaoh had a Hood like a Cobra and what that represents in a spiritual sense :


Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. And he said to Him, “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.”
• Matthew 4:8-9


Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority. And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast. So they worshiped The Dragon Who Gave Authority To the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who islike the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”
• Revelation 13:2-4

So the Great Dragon was cast out, That Serpent Of Old, Called the Devil and Satan, who Deceives The Whole World; He was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
• Revelation 12:9


He laid hold of The Dragon, That Serpent Of Old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;
• Revelation 20:2



Something to think about.

Jude1:3Contendforthefaith said:

It was the fallen angels that mated with the humans not the giants. (Maybe some did I don't know)

The Giants were just the Result.

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Fallen angels and humans produce giant babies---a woman giving birth to what will be a 30 foot giant.
You want to tell me again how a creature that was created higher than us, created to not have sex for the angels do not have sex, has the equipment to have sex with a woman, and have the human sperm needed to be compatible with human DNA? The fathers you've mentioned above had no idea about genetics and DNA yet. So what happened to the wings, why only height was passed on? You have not answered my questions from post #45. The Targums came way before your "fathers."

Kaon said:

Ask our Father for clarity and openness about what I am saying, and to divide what I have said against the truth in the name of our Savior. Then, discern for yourself. As a matter of fact, as our Father for clarity on what you have seen in this entire thread, and to guide you in the right direction according to His will.

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I did that 35 years ago and nothing new has been added that changes my mind as to the clearly anti- scriptural position that this theory takes, how it really denigrates God and His creation, not to mention it goes against just plain old common sense. I first heard it when I was away from God about 40 years ago and thought it wrong then, after returning to God and being reintroduced to it---I looked into it thoroughly and prayerfully. I researched the Hebrew writings also and the language and every year since, have grown more and more sure that this is not of God.

mmksparbud said:

Fallen angels and humans produce giant babies---a woman giving birth to what will be a 30 foot giant.
You want to tell me again how a creature that was created higher than us, created to not have sex for the angels do not have sex, has the equipment to have sex with a woman, and have the human sperm needed to be compatible with human DNA? The fathers you've mentioned above had no idea about genetics and DNA yet. So what happened to the wings, why only height was passed on? You have not answered my questions from post #45. The Targums came way before your "fathers."

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Even really tall people today are born normally and And Grow to Extrardanary Heights.


From the Dead Sea Scrolls that were from before the birth of Yehushua Messiah on earth:

The Book of Enoch Information Website ~ This is your one-stop for Enochan studies!

Early Christian writers accepted the Book of Enoch. Only later, when Greek philosophical assumptions dominated did the Church cast it out!

JacksBratt said:

I have absolutely no idea why people cannot grasp the fact that the earth, and the beings on it, were not always as they are today..... what makes these giants so toxic to some peoples beliefs.

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And what in earth makes you think we don't know that??? That is why the giants in those days were all the pre flood people---they were not 5-6 feet tall. The air had more oxygen, the earth far more fertile, no weather disasters, plenty of good food, no genetic flaws to pass down, far more intelligent, so much so that we still can't figure out how they did some things. It is this theory that tries to put down those people as something far less than the magnificent creation of God that they were and denigrating the very character of God by bringing in fallen angels having sex with women. They are not our kind and can not do so! God said after it's kind at creation.

The book of Enoch is not of the Holy Spirit and not canon and useless for doctrine.