COL 2:14-17 The REAL truth from God's Word

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Well I have asked you plenty of questions and you refused to answer them as they showed your doctrine to be false. But concerning the other person, as soon as I started chatting to him he refused to answer points put, as you do, though he, like you revels in quoting much of the partial letter.
In my view, it is not mature Christianity anyway to swamp posts with as many scriptures as you can muster. Or to make your posts so long people would not want to spend such a lengthy amount of time repudiating the errors.
Matt 23:2-4 is also great scripture, worth memorizing, if you bear false witness say, but at the same time insist the TC must be obeyed

BTW
Matt7:2 is indeed good to remember:

The measure you use to judge others will be used to judge you. Good to remember that methinks when we make demands of others we ourselves do not even try to follow
.

Amazing, you are indeed making things up. I have answered all your questions until yesterday (my time) because you refuse to respond to the posts and the scriptures and questions sent you that disagree with you.

Now I ask you then if what you are saying is true then please prove it if you cannot it only proves your error and that you are indeed making things up and saying things now that have no basis in truth.

Then I put out an invitation to you more then once saying I will continue answering your questions if you agree to respond to my posts and the scriptures in them that disagree with you as well as the questions that are asked of you and you decline.

I am still waiting for you to accept my invitation. Do you agree or not?

It is not me bearing false witness me friend it is indeed you because you have no scripture to support your teachings that break the commandments of God.
 
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Yes, dear, that is what I got from your testimony. Just wanted to be sure. So even though Christ took away your sin, and the Holy Spirit kills the desire to sin, you still feel like a sinner? That's your testimony of receiving the Holy Spirit??? :(

Hello 1stcenturylady,

It seems to me you did not understand my testimony or the supporting scriptures posted afterwards.

Never did I say in any of my posts that I am sinning against God or still feel like a sinner (Condemned by the law guilty of sin). I BELIEVE I have been FORGIVEN for my SINS because I have FAITH and BELIEVE God's WORD and have recieved Gods free gift of GRACE and forgiveness through my REPENTANCE and CONFESSION (1 JOHN 1:9; JOHN 3:16) :)

"Nothing as an offering do I bring simply to thy cross I cling.."

The purpose of God's LAW to give a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is. We have ALL have a sinful human nature (Romans 7). We are sinners in need of a Saviour (Matthew 1:21).

The good news is that we have a Saviour who can save us from our sins.

Abiding in him
(the WORD of God) and walking in his Spirit we have the power to OBEY God's WORD and FOLLOW Jesus (Romans 8).

Without him we can do nothing because we are all sinners. However, we can do all things through Chrsit who strenthens us as we have FAITH in his WORD we walk in his Spirit (Phil 4 13; Romans 8:1-4).

Paul writes;

1 TIMOTHY 1:15 [15], This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

This is the meaning of...

MATTHEW 9:12-13 [12], But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. [13], But go and learn what that means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Many do not know the meaning of Matthew 9:12-13 and cannot connect the scriptures that teach..

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

Do you honestly desire to sin? Think about it. If you do, that is the flesh.

There is a difference between sinning and having the temptation (desire) to SIN and resisting temptation to sin. If no one had a sinful nature (Romans 7) then there would be no temptation to sin...

1 CORINTHIANS 10:13 [13], There has no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that you are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that you may be able to bear it.

Paul had temptations..

GALATAINS 4:14 [14], And my temptation which was in my flesh you despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.

falling into temptation (sin)

1 TIMOTHY 6:9 [9], But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.

HEBREWS 3:8 [8], Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness.

those that endue temptation to the end are those who are saved...

JAMES 1:12 [12], Blessed is the man that endures temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord has promised to them that love him.

ALL have a sinful human nature (Romans 7) that does not mean that a Christian has to partake of this nature (flesh) and the reason we are told to die to the flesh and walk in the Spirit....

ROMANS 8:13 [13], For if you live after the flesh, you shall die: but if you through the Spirit do put to death the deeds of the body, you shall live.

ROMANS 6:2-7 [2], God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer in it?
[3], Know you not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? [4], Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that just as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. [5], For if we have been united with him in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:[6], Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that we should no longer serve sin. [7], For he that is dead is freed from sin.

ROMANS 6:12-18
[12], [12], Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. [13], Neither yield your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. [14], For sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are not under the law, but under grace. [15], What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. [16], Know you not, that to whom you yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants you are to whom you obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? [17], But God be thanked, that you were the servants of sin, but you have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. [18], Being then made free from sin, you became the servants of righteousness.

ROMANS 6:19:22 [19], I speak after the manner of men because of the weakness of your flesh: for as you have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. [20], For when you were the servants of sin, you were free from righteousness. [21], What fruit had you then in those things of which you are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. [22], But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, you have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

Paul says; I die daily...

1 CORINTHIANS 15:31 [31], I protest by your boasting which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.

We are to die daily to the flesh (carnal mind or sinful human nature) resisting temptation to sin. This is part of the prayer that Jesus taught us we are to pray...

MATTHEW 6:13 [13], And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For yours is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever. Amen.

MATTHEW 26:41[41], Watch and pray, that you enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

Your understanding of the scriptures is not correct. If we did not have a sinful human nature there would be no temptation to SIN. Having the temptation to SIN however does not mean we have to sin if we have FAITH in God's WORD and walk in his SPIRIT.

Romans 8:9 "But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His."

1 John 3:5 "And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him."

3:9 in context "For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God."

AMEN :oldthumbsup:. Now look at everything I have shared with you. These scriptures support what is being shared with you.

The only difference it that you believe you do not have a sinful nature. God's WORD disagrees with you because if that was true then there would be no such thing as temptation to sin. Temptation is not sin and abiding in Christ or walking in his Spirit we can resist temptation to follow God's WORD through his promises by FAITH.

1 CORINTHIANS 10:13 [13], There has no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that you are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that you may be able to bear it.

JAMES 4:7
[7], Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

JOHN 15:3-7 [3], Now you are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. [4], Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can you, except you abide in me. [5], I am the vine, you are the branches: He that abides in me, and I in him, the same brings forth much fruit: for without me you can do nothing. [6], If a man abides not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. [7], If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, you shall ask what you will, and it shall be done unto you.

1 JOHN 3:6,
[6], Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.

His seed is the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Christ.

No it is not. The seed is the WORD of GOD...

LUKE 8:11 [11], Now the parable is this: THE SEED IS THE WORD OF GOD.

It is FAITH in the WORD of GOD that brings God's Spirit (POWER).

Just trying to keep the 10C without your flesh being dead will get you self-esteem, but won't do anything about SIN.

No one is telling to to try and keep God's LAW for salvation. It must be pointed out however that God's WORD is very clear. NONE have God's SPIRIT if they are breaking his Commandments. If you have God's Spirit you will haver POWER through FAITH to OBEY and FOLLOW God. All who KNOWINGLY break God's Commandments are not FOLLOWING GOD neither do they KNOW him and need to be born again..

ACTS 5:32 [32], And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, WHOM GOD HAS GIVEN TO THOSE WHO OBEY HIM.

1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. [4], He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 JOHN 3:6-10 [6], Whoever stays in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him. [7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.[8], He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. [9], Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed <the Word; Luke 8:11> remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.[10], In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

RIGHTOUSNESS is by FAITH in the promises of GOD and WALKING in GOD'S SPIRIT. It is the GIFT of GOD in those who BELIEVE.

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

................

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).[/QUOTE]
 
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You left out so many sins, gluttony, sorcery, gambling, gossiping, e.t.c.

You may in the end be accused of being lawless yourself, as the ten commandments cannot cover these deeds of the flesh.

The deeds of the flesh are legion, the letter of the law is ten.

Your not addressing the problem.
Ten is the wholeness [Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 KJB], and it is exceeding broad covering every sin [Psalms 119:96 KJB]. You must think of Paul as you do me, since Paul gives several 'incomplete' [every known sin to mankind] lists. The Ten Commandments encompass them all and Paul knew that [Romans 13:9 KJB].
 
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Another question, on this "law" of Hebrews 7 KJB, etc, can anyone here show me where the Ten Commandments made men priests?

Hebrews 7:28 KJB - For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.​
 
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It is not me bearing false witness me friend it is indeed you because you have no scripture to support your teachings that break the commandments of God.


So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh,a]'>[a] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

Rom 7:4-6

You really do not mind what you say do you.

Tell me, in the above have I quoted God's word, or my own words over and above God's word?

Are you going to answer that honestly? Nope. Yet, by me stating the christian dies to the law and is released from the law, that is what you accuse me of, thereby breaking continuously one of the TC, wilfully and without repentance. Didn't you say no one can be saved if they do that?
 
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Amazing, you are indeed making things up. I have answered all your questions until yesterday (my time) because you refuse to respond to the posts and the scriptures and questions sent you that disagree with you.

Now I ask you then if what you are saying is true then please prove it if you cannot it only proves your error and that you are indeed making things up and saying things now that have no basis in truth.

Then I put out an invitation to you more then once saying I will continue answering your questions if you agree to respond to my posts and the scriptures in them that disagree with you as well as the questions that are asked of you and you decline.

I am still waiting for you to accept my invitation. Do you agree or not?

It is not me bearing false witness me friend it is indeed you because you have no scripture to support your teachings that break the commandments of God.
You see lgw, many times I asked you questions, you responded with long posts and then claimed you answered my questions when in truth you did not. And if I produce the posts it will simply be the same old protestations from, you. For you have no qualms at all sadly about bearing false witness do you.

As to having no scripture to support my views, well that is blatantly false also.
IE
The Corinthian church, whom Paul called the church of God committed sin, which blows away your relentless teaching immediately does it not?
Its ok, you don't have to respond, no need, point proven
 
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Hello 1stcenturylady,

It seems to me you did not understand my testimony or the supporting scriptures posted afterwards.

Never did I say in any of my posts that I am sinning against God or still feel like a sinner (Condemned by the law guilty of sin). I BELIEVE I have been FORGIVEN for my SINS because I have FAITH and BELIEVE God's WORD and have recieved Gods free gift of GRACE and forgiveness through my REPENTANCE and CONFESSION (1 JOHN 1:9; JOHN 3:16) :)

"Nothing as an offering do I bring simply to thy cross I cling.."

The purpose of God's LAW to give a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is. We have ALL have a sinful human nature (Romans 7). We are sinners in need of a Saviour (Matthew 1:21).

The good news is that we have a Saviour who can save us from our sins.

Abiding in him
(the WORD of God) and walking in his Spirit we have the power to OBEY God's WORD and FOLLOW Jesus (Romans 8).

Without him we can do nothing because we are all sinners. However, we can do all things through Chrsit who strenthens us as we have FAITH in his WORD we walk in his Spirit (Phil 4 13; Romans 8:1-4).

Paul writes;

1 TIMOTHY 1:15 [15], This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

This is the meaning of...

MATTHEW 9:12-13 [12], But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. [13], But go and learn what that means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Many do not know the meaning of Matthew 9:12-13 and cannot connect the scriptures that teach..

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.



There is a difference between sinning and having the temptation (desire) to SIN and resisting temptation to sin. If no one had a sinful nature (Romans 7) then there would be no temptation to sin...

1 CORINTHIANS 10:13 [13], There has no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that you are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that you may be able to bear it.

Paul had temptations..

GALATAINS 4:14 [14], And my temptation which was in my flesh you despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.

falling into temptation (sin)

1 TIMOTHY 6:9 [9], But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.

HEBREWS 3:8 [8], Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness.

those that endue temptation to the end are those who are saved...

JAMES 1:12 [12], Blessed is the man that endures temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord has promised to them that love him.

ALL have a sinful human nature (Romans 7) that does not mean that a Christian has to partake of this nature (flesh) and the reason we are told to die to the flesh and walk in the Spirit....

ROMANS 8:13 [13], For if you live after the flesh, you shall die: but if you through the Spirit do put to death the deeds of the body, you shall live.

ROMANS 6:2-7 [2], God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer in it?
[3], Know you not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? [4], Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that just as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. [5], For if we have been united with him in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:[6], Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that we should no longer serve sin. [7], For he that is dead is freed from sin.

ROMANS 6:12-18
[12], [12], Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. [13], Neither yield your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. [14], For sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are not under the law, but under grace. [15], What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. [16], Know you not, that to whom you yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants you are to whom you obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? [17], But God be thanked, that you were the servants of sin, but you have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. [18], Being then made free from sin, you became the servants of righteousness.

ROMANS 6:19:22 [19], I speak after the manner of men because of the weakness of your flesh: for as you have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. [20], For when you were the servants of sin, you were free from righteousness. [21], What fruit had you then in those things of which you are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. [22], But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, you have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

Paul says; I die daily...

1 CORINTHIANS 15:31 [31], I protest by your boasting which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.

We are to die daily to the flesh (carnal mind or sinful human nature) resisting temptation to sin. This is part of the prayer that Jesus taught us we are to pray...

MATTHEW 6:13 [13], And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For yours is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever. Amen.

MATTHEW 26:41[41], Watch and pray, that you enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

Your understanding of the scriptures is not correct. If we did not have a sinful human nature there would be no temptation to SIN. Having the temptation to SIN however does not mean we have to sin if we have FAITH in God's WORD and walk in his SPIRIT.



AMEN :oldthumbsup:. Now look at everything I have shared with you. These scriptures support what is being shared with you.

The only difference it that you believe you do not have a sinful nature. God's WORD disagrees with you because if that was true then there would be no such thing as temptation to sin. Temptation is not sin and abiding in Christ or walking in his Spirit we can resist temptation to follow God's WORD through his promises by FAITH.

1 CORINTHIANS 10:13 [13], There has no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that you are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that you may be able to bear it.

JAMES 4:7
[7], Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

JOHN 15:3-7 [3], Now you are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. [4], Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can you, except you abide in me. [5], I am the vine, you are the branches: He that abides in me, and I in him, the same brings forth much fruit: for without me you can do nothing. [6], If a man abides not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. [7], If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, you shall ask what you will, and it shall be done unto you.

1 JOHN 3:6,
[6], Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.



No it is not. The seed is the WORD of GOD...

LUKE 8:11 [11], Now the parable is this: THE SEED IS THE WORD OF GOD.

It is FAITH in the WORD of GOD that brings God's Spirit (POWER).



No one is telling to to try and keep God's LAW for salvation. It must be pointed out however that God's WORD is very clear. NONE have God's SPIRIT if they are breaking his Commandments. If you have God's Spirit you will haver POWER through FAITH to OBEY and FOLLOW God. All who KNOWINGLY break God's Commandments are not FOLLOWING GOD neither do they KNOW him and need to be born again..

ACTS 5:32 [32], And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, WHOM GOD HAS GIVEN TO THOSE WHO OBEY HIM.

1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. [4], He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 JOHN 3:6-10 [6], Whoever stays in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him. [7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.[8], He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. [9], Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed <the Word; Luke 8:11> remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.[10], In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

RIGHTOUSNESS is by FAITH in the promises of GOD and WALKING in GOD'S SPIRIT. It is the GIFT of GOD in those who BELIEVE.

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

................

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
[/QUOTE]

I had asked you: Do you still feel like a sinner in need of a Savior? And you answered, "Of course, everyday."

I'm not making this up. And you just need to admit you said it.

As far as the rest of your post, I agree with all the scriptures.
 
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It is good to repeat this, for it goes to the heart of the error in some peoples teachings in this thread.

Paul stated:
The letter kills(present, not past tense.)
He was referring to the TC as we know.

Yet, some on the internet preach the letter and claim if you fail to obey it you are placed in an unsaved state. They tell you, you are saved by grace through faith, you are not justified/righteous by observing the law, but you can only remain in a saved state if you observe the law. This is nonsensical. If you can only remain in a saved state if you observe the law, you can only be righteous/justified before God by observing the law, therefore, you live your life under the law as a Christian. Obviously, such people cannot discern/understand the message of the person chosen to be the chief exponent of the NC to the world. In truth their belief is: Perfectly obey the law, and you are then not under the law, which again, is nonsensaical. As the letter kills, the people who preach this, then have to make excuses for their sin/claim they are not committing sin.(as we have seen in this thread)
And, because these people simply, robotically quote the letter, they cannot see the reality. They endlessly quote 1John 3:6-9 for example as proof of their belief. Yet we know their blindly following the letter is so often not the reality. The reality was, in the Corinthian church sin weas committed, but they were still considered Christians.
The problem was in Jesus day, people would simply reel off the letter, but it bore no reality to their lives either, nothing has changed. And by only being able to quote the letter(that kills) they had to demand of others what they failed to attain to in their own lives. Nothing has changed has it.
As a mature Christian once remarked:
You can read the quran, and understand it simply by reading the letter, the bible was not meant to be understood that way. It is not enough just to quote the letter, you have to be able to understand the message contained in that letter. The Pharisees did not, neither do many today sadly.
And, when people just write hugely long posts, covered with the letter itself, it kinda shows you, who is only able to quote the letter without understanding of it.
Of course, to be fair, few ministers come on websites such as this, for obviously, they in the reality of their lives cannot just ream off much of the letter itself, their job is to flesh it out, explain it
 
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May I remind everyone who is thumping the 10 commandments that Paul wrote the following:

2Cor3 NIRV
The Greater Glory of the New Covenant
7 The Law was written in letters on stone. Even though it was a way of serving God, it led to death. But even that way of serving God came with glory. The glory lasted for only a short time. Even so, the people of Israel couldn’t look at Moses’ face very long. 8 Since all this is true, won’t the work of the Holy Spirit be even more glorious? 9 The law that condemns people to death had glory. How much more glory does the work of the Spirit have! His work makes people right with God. 10 The glory of the old covenant is nothing compared with the far greater glory of the new. 11 The glory of the old lasts for only a short time. How much greater is the glory of the new! It will last forever. (Bold is mine)

Those verses go right along with what Jesus said in Matt5: 16-17

17 “Do not think I have come to get rid of what is written in the Law or in the Prophets. I have not come to do this. Instead, I have come to fulfill what is written. 18 What I’m about to tell you is true. Heaven and earth will disappear before the smallest letter disappears from the Law. Not even the smallest mark of a pen will disappear from the Law until everything is completed. 19 Do not ignore even one of the least important commands. And do not teach others to ignore them. If you do, you will be called the least important person in the kingdom of heaven. Instead, practice and teach these commands. Then you will be called important in the kingdom of heaven. 20 Here is what I tell you. You must be more godly than the Pharisees and the teachers of the law. If you are not, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

What a solenm group of verses for those who claim Jesus didn't do all He came to do. If the covenant Jesus lived under is still part of our lives, as you believe, then when you practise the laws in the covenant and leave most of them out and teach the same to the unsuspecting Jesus has a rebuke for you. Not one small mark of the Pen will disappear from the Sinai covenant, yet today you cull most of it. The remainder you tell us is gentile's responsibility to observe along with the Jews.

Paul wrote that indeed Jesus did fulfil all the Sinai covenant and Israel is not under the covenant and of course the remainder of mankind never was under it. Paul wrote in Gal 3 that the Galatians received the Word by hearing it. Then he wrote that the Jews came along and convinced them that they were under the Sinai covenant. Paul rebuked them for falling into the hands of the Jews. SDAs come along just as the Jews did and tell us we are under the laws of the Sinai covenant. In fact they spend millions of dollars trying to convince us we have to observe the defunct old covenant Sabbath.
 
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So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh,a]'>[a] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

Rom 7:4-6

You really do not mind what you say do you.

Tell me, in the above have I quoted God's word, or my own words over and above God's word?

Are you going to answer that honestly? Nope. Yet, by me stating the christian dies to the law and is released from the law, that is what you accuse me of, thereby breaking continuously one of the TC, wilfully and without repentance. Didn't you say no one can be saved if they do that?

Just repeating the same thing over and over does not magically make God's WORD dissappear.

This post was answered already honestly with scripture which you simply ignored as mentioned earlier and refuse to respond to. As follows...

ROMANS 8:1-14

[1], There is therefore now no condemnation to them who are in Christ Jesus, WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH <G4561 Carnal mind or sinful human nature>, BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT <Ezekiel 36:26-27; Hebrews 8:10; Jeremiah 31:31-34; NEW COVENANT PROMISE>.

[2], FOR THE LAW OF THE SPIRIT OF LIFE IN CHRIST JESUS <Ezekiel 36:26-27; Hebrews 8:10; Jeremiah 31:31-34; NEW COVENANT PROMISE> has made me free from the law of sin and death <carnal mind or sinful human nature>.

[3], For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh <G4561 Carnal mind or sinful human nature>, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh <G4561 Carnal mind or sinful human nature>: [4], That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

[5], For they that are after the flesh <G4561 Carnal mind or sinful human nature> do mind the things of the flesh <G4561 Carnal mind or sinful human nature>; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

[6], For to be carnally <G4561 same grk word used as FLESH; Carnal mind or sinful human nature> minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

[7], Because the carnal <G4561 same grk word used as FLESH; Carnal mind or sinful human nature> mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

[8], So then they that are in the flesh <G4561 same grk word used as CARNAL ; Carnal/FLESH = carnal mind or sinful human nature> cannot please God.

[9], But you are not in the flesh <G4561 same grk word used as CARNAL ; Carnal/FLESH = carnal mind or sinful human nature> , but in the Spirit <Ezekiel 36:26-27; Hebrews 8:10; Jeremiah 31:31-34; NEW COVENANT PROMISE>, if so be that the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

[10], And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

[11], But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also bring to life your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwells in you.

[12], Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh <G4561 same grk word used as CARNAL ; Carnal/FLESH = carnal mind or sinful human nature>, to live after the flesh.

[13], For if you live after the flesh <G4561 same grk word used as CARNAL ; Carnal/FLESH = carnal mind or sinful human nature>, you shall die: but if you through the Spirit do put to death the deeds of the body, you shall live.

[14], For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

..................

Returning back to your ROMANS 7:5-9

[5], For when we were in the flesh <G4561 same grk word used as CARNAL ; Carnal/FLESH = carnal mind or sinful human nature>, the passions of sins, which were by the law <KNOWLEDGE OF SIN>, did work in our members <SIN> to bring forth fruit unto death <ROMANS 6:23, The WAGES OF SIN is DEATH>.

[6], But now we are delivered from the law, being dead to that in which we were held; <SIN> that we should serve in newness of spirit, <NEW COVENANT PROMISE OF THE SPIRIT; Ezekiel 36:26-27; Jeremiar 31:31-33; Hebrews 8:10-12> and not in the oldness of the letter (KNOWLEDGE OF SIN).

................
ROMANS 7:6 [6], But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

Q. What was it that God's LAW shows in ROMANS 7 that has bound us? Let's go back to the verse that is before....

ROMANS 7:5 [5], For when we were in the FLESH <G4561 Carnal mind or sinful human nature>, the motions of SINS, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit to death.

A. It is SIN that has bound us!


<* NOTE: the key to this verse is delivered from the law, being dead to that in which we were held. The law revived and I died... Why? Because the LAW gave a KNOWLEDDGE of SIN. It is SIN that God's LAW holds us to. It is SIN that we are delivered from not God's LAW.>

The GREEK (interlinear) translation to english of ROMANS 7:6 is...

"Now however we have been released from the law having died to that which bound us"

Here are a few different bible versions of the same scripture...

New International Version
But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

English Standard Version
But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.

Berean Study Bible
But now, having died to what bound us, we have been released from the Law, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

Berean Literal Bible
But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that which we were bound, in order for us to serve in newness of the Spirit, and not in oldness of the letter.

New American Standard Bible
But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

Christian Standard Bible
But now we have been released from the law, since we have died to what held us, so that we may serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the old letter of the law.

Contemporary English Version
But the Law no longer rules over us. We are like dead people, and it cannot have any power over us. Now we can serve God in a new way by obeying his Spirit, and not in the old way by obeying the written Law.

Good News Translation
Now, however, we are free from the Law, because we died to that which once held us prisoners. No longer do we serve in the old way of a written law, but in the new way of the Spirit.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
But now we have been released from the law, since we have died to what held us, so that we may serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old letter of the law.

International Standard Version
But now we have been released from the Law by dying to what enslaved us, so that we may serve in the new life of the Spirit, not under the old writings.

NET Bible
But now we have been released from the law, because we have died to what controlled us, so that we may serve in the new life of the Spirit and not under the old written code.

New Heart English Bible
But now we have been discharged from the law, having died to that in which we were held; so that we serve in newness of the spirit, and not in oldness of the letter.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
But now we have been exempted from The Written Law, and we are dead to that which had controlled us, so that we shall serve from now on in the newness of The Spirit and not in the Old Order Scriptures.

New American Standard 1977
But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

Jubilee Bible 2000
But now we are free from the law of death in which we were held, that we might serve in newness of Spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

American Standard Version
But now we have been discharged from the law, having died to that wherein we were held; so that we serve in newness of the spirit, and not in oldness of the letter.

Douay-Rheims Bible
But now we are loosed from the law of death, wherein we were detained; so that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Darby Bible Translation
but now we are clear from the law, having died in that in which we were held, so that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in oldness of letter.

English Revised Version
But now we have been discharged from the law, having died to that wherein we were holden; so that we serve in newness of the spirit, and not in oldness of the letter.

................

CONCLUSION: It is that which binds us that we are released from. It is SIN that binds us not God's LAW. We are released from SIN and the penalty of SIN by walking in the SPIRIT of the NEW COVENANT promise by FAITH (ROMANS 8:1-4)...

................

[7], What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, you shall not covet.

[8], But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, worked in me all manner of covetousness. For without the law sin was dead.

[9], For I was alive apart from the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

..................

CONCLUSION: ROMANS 7 and ROMANS 8 are talking about the NEW COVENANT promise of SALVATION from SIN; not salvation in SIN. We are not released from God's LAW (10 Commandments) as it is the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is. We are released from SIN and the PENALTY of SIN and the law of SIN and DEATH (7v5-25; 8v2 6v23) by walking in the Spirit of the NEW COVENANT (8v1) we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh (SIN). If you have not died to that which holds you captive (SIN) you are not released from the LAW you are UNDER the LAW Guilty before God of SIN.

You are still yet to reply to the scriptures in this pose post that disagree with your teaching. Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.
 
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Some revel in producing vast amount of scripture(much from the OT/covenant) to try and convince you, you must follow the law they insist you must obey. Goodness knows how long they spent doing all the studying involved in this, to write what they do(or maybe some just copied others work.) The pity of it is, In truth, it is all so needless to do, completely unnecessary. One wonders, if people who do it understand the core terms on which the NC is based?

Its quite simple to know which law has been written on your mind and placed on your heart under the core terms of the NC

Our SDA friends would agree:

Sin is the transgression of the law 1John 3:4

They would also agree:
Through the law we become conscious of sin. Rom 3:20

What is in your mind, you in your mind must know

And that law which is in your heart, must bring heartfelt conviction of sin when you break it. Irrefutable!!

Now you can know the above, without hardly having to study at all!
 
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You see lgw, many times I asked you questions, you responded with long posts and then claimed you answered my questions when in truth you did not. And if I produce the posts it will simply be the same old protestations from, you. For you have no qualms at all sadly about bearing false witness do you.

As to having no scripture to support my views, well that is blatantly false also.
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The Corinthian church, whom Paul called the church of God committed sin, which blows away your relentless teaching immediately does it not?
Its ok, you don't have to respond, no need, point proven

You do indeed bear false witness. This is sad for you.
 
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Just repeating the same thing over and over does not magically make God's WORD dissappear.

This post was answered already honestly with scripture which you simply ignored as mentioned earlier and refuse to respond to. As follows...

ROMANS 8:1-14

[1], There is therefore now no condemnation to them who are in Christ Jesus, WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH <G4561 Carnal mind or sinful human nature>, BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT <Ezekiel 36:26-27; Hebrews 8:10; Jeremiah 31:31-34; NEW COVENANT PROMISE>.

[2], FOR THE LAW OF THE SPIRIT OF LIFE IN CHRIST JESUS <Ezekiel 36:26-27; Hebrews 8:10; Jeremiah 31:31-34; NEW COVENANT PROMISE> has made me free from the law of sin and death <carnal mind or sinful human nature>.

[3], For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh <G4561 Carnal mind or sinful human nature>, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh <G4561 Carnal mind or sinful human nature>: [4], That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

[5], For they that are after the flesh <G4561 Carnal mind or sinful human nature> do mind the things of the flesh <G4561 Carnal mind or sinful human nature>; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

[6], For to be carnally <G4561 same grk word used as FLESH; Carnal mind or sinful human nature> minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

[7], Because the carnal <G4561 same grk word used as FLESH; Carnal mind or sinful human nature> mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

[8], So then they that are in the flesh <G4561 same grk word used as CARNAL ; Carnal/FLESH = carnal mind or sinful human nature> cannot please God.

[9], But you are not in the flesh <G4561 same grk word used as CARNAL ; Carnal/FLESH = carnal mind or sinful human nature> , but in the Spirit <Ezekiel 36:26-27; Hebrews 8:10; Jeremiah 31:31-34; NEW COVENANT PROMISE>, if so be that the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

[10], And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

[11], But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also bring to life your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwells in you.

[12], Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh <G4561 same grk word used as CARNAL ; Carnal/FLESH = carnal mind or sinful human nature>, to live after the flesh.

[13], For if you live after the flesh <G4561 same grk word used as CARNAL ; Carnal/FLESH = carnal mind or sinful human nature>, you shall die: but if you through the Spirit do put to death the deeds of the body, you shall live.

[14], For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

..................

Returning back to your ROMANS 7:5-9

[5], For when we were in the flesh <G4561 same grk word used as CARNAL ; Carnal/FLESH = carnal mind or sinful human nature>, the passions of sins, which were by the law <KNOWLEDGE OF SIN>, did work in our members <SIN> to bring forth fruit unto death <ROMANS 6:23, The WAGES OF SIN is DEATH>.

[6], But now we are delivered from the law, being dead to that in which we were held; <SIN> that we should serve in newness of spirit, <NEW COVENANT PROMISE OF THE SPIRIT; Ezekiel 36:26-27; Jeremiar 31:31-33; Hebrews 8:10-12> and not in the oldness of the letter (KNOWLEDGE OF SIN).

................
ROMANS 7:6 [6], But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

Q. What was it that God's LAW shows in ROMANS 7 that has bound us? Let's go back to the verse that is before....

ROMANS 7:5 [5], For when we were in the FLESH <G4561 Carnal mind or sinful human nature>, the motions of SINS, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit to death.

A. It is SIN that has bound us!


<* NOTE: the key to this verse is delivered from the law, being dead to that in which we were held. The law revived and I died... Why? Because the LAW gave a KNOWLEDDGE of SIN. It is SIN that God's LAW holds us to. It is SIN that we are delivered from not God's LAW.>

The GREEK (interlinear) translation to english of ROMANS 7:6 is...

"Now however we have been released from the law having died to that which bound us"

Here are a few different bible versions of the same scripture...

New International Version
But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

English Standard Version
But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.

Berean Study Bible
But now, having died to what bound us, we have been released from the Law, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.

Berean Literal Bible
But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that which we were bound, in order for us to serve in newness of the Spirit, and not in oldness of the letter.

New American Standard Bible
But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

Christian Standard Bible
But now we have been released from the law, since we have died to what held us, so that we may serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the old letter of the law.

Contemporary English Version
But the Law no longer rules over us. We are like dead people, and it cannot have any power over us. Now we can serve God in a new way by obeying his Spirit, and not in the old way by obeying the written Law.

Good News Translation
Now, however, we are free from the Law, because we died to that which once held us prisoners. No longer do we serve in the old way of a written law, but in the new way of the Spirit.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
But now we have been released from the law, since we have died to what held us, so that we may serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old letter of the law.

International Standard Version
But now we have been released from the Law by dying to what enslaved us, so that we may serve in the new life of the Spirit, not under the old writings.

NET Bible
But now we have been released from the law, because we have died to what controlled us, so that we may serve in the new life of the Spirit and not under the old written code.

New Heart English Bible
But now we have been discharged from the law, having died to that in which we were held; so that we serve in newness of the spirit, and not in oldness of the letter.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
But now we have been exempted from The Written Law, and we are dead to that which had controlled us, so that we shall serve from now on in the newness of The Spirit and not in the Old Order Scriptures.

New American Standard 1977
But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

Jubilee Bible 2000
But now we are free from the law of death in which we were held, that we might serve in newness of Spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

American Standard Version
But now we have been discharged from the law, having died to that wherein we were held; so that we serve in newness of the spirit, and not in oldness of the letter.

Douay-Rheims Bible
But now we are loosed from the law of death, wherein we were detained; so that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Darby Bible Translation
but now we are clear from the law, having died in that in which we were held, so that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in oldness of letter.

English Revised Version
But now we have been discharged from the law, having died to that wherein we were holden; so that we serve in newness of the spirit, and not in oldness of the letter.

................

CONCLUSION: It is that which binds us that we are released from. It is SIN that binds us not God's LAW. We are released from SIN and the penalty of SIN by walking in the SPIRIT of the NEW COVENANT promise by FAITH (ROMANS 8:1-4)...

................

[7], What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, you shall not covet.

[8], But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, worked in me all manner of covetousness. For without the law sin was dead.

[9], For I was alive apart from the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

..................

CONCLUSION: ROMANS 7 and ROMANS 8 are talking about the NEW COVENANT promise of SALVATION from SIN; not salvation in SIN. We are not released from God's LAW (10 Commandments) as it is the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is. We are released from SIN and the PENALTY of SIN and the law of SIN and DEATH (7v5-25; 8v2 6v23) by walking in the Spirit of the NEW COVENANT (8v1) we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh (SIN). If you have not died to that which holds you captive (SIN) you are not released from the LAW you are UNDER the LAW Guilty before God of SIN.

You are still yet to reply to the scriptures in this pose post that disagree with your teaching. Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.
A perfect example of what I have continually been saying. I asked you if what I quoted was my own words over God's word, or God's word itself. You respond with a long post, but refuse to answer the question.
My point is well proven
 
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A perfect example of what I have continually been saying. I asked you if what I quoted was my own words over God's word, or God's word itself. You respond with a long post, but refuse to answer the question.
My point is well proven

Then prove it my friend:).

Respond to the post and scriptures in them that disagrees with your teaching. So far your only proving your in error and ignoring God's WORD that disagrees with you.
 
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You do indeed bear false witness. This is sad for you.
Everyone here knows that when I stated the Christian dies to the law is released from the law I was quoting what God's word stated. People are not that stupid. So they also know, when you then kept accusing me as you did, you were breaking one of the TC, and because you kept doing it, it had to be wilfull and unrepentant.
Yet you continually write anyone in wilfull unrepentant sin cannot be saved.
So once again you prove my point admirably. You preach one thing, but practice quite another
 
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I had asked you: Do you still feel like a sinner in need of a Savior? And you answered, "Of course, everyday."

I'm not making this up. And you just need to admit you said it.

As far as the rest of your post, I agree with all the scriptures.

You misinterpreted what was said to you. I hope this was clarified in the last post to you.
 
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I just did

No you didn't you ignored the post sent you and all the scriptures in it that disagree with your teaching and just repeated what you said the first time. This only shows your error and you cannot respond to the scripture sent to you that disagree with you.
 
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