Normative vs. Regulative Principle of Worship

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Does our solar system worship God with music?


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That's a rather surprising answer.
I thought you had an open mind with this thread, now I'm seeing your interest in what's being said has a slanted viewpoint.

My mind is open to discussion but it's not an open window. You posted a video without explaining how the sounds recorded worship God.

Simple question, we know that creation has a purpose, can you demonstrate the created purpose of those sounds are for worship?
Maybe you have a slanted viewpoint? :sorry:

Yours in the Lord,

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My mind is open to discussion but it's not an open window. You posted a video without explaining how the sounds recorded worship God.

Simple question, we know that creation has a purpose, can you demonstrate the created purpose of those sounds are for worship?
Maybe you have a slanted viewpoint? :sorry:

Yours in the Lord,

jm
I don't suppose this is a science thread
can't you hear the sounds coming from the planets?
don't you think God put them there?
You can't understand that as worship?
Why did he put those sounds there?
 
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My mind is open to discussion but it's not an open window. You posted a video without explaining how the sounds recorded worship God.

Simple question, we know that creation has a purpose, can you demonstrate the created purpose of those sounds are for worship?
Maybe you have a slanted viewpoint? :sorry:

Yours in the Lord,

jm
You know the purpose of creation?
Please share.

As to the sounds from outer space:
John 1:3
 
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I just asked 4 questions!
And you ignore them and ask your own question instead.
I guess what I asked isn't important to you.
Oh. I thought you were asking @JM...

Here are my answers:

You said:
I don't suppose this is a science thread
can't you hear the sounds coming from the planets?
don't you think God put them there?
You can't understand that as worship?
Why did he put those sounds there?


1. Yes. I heard the sounds in the video. VERY interesting.
2. Yes. I do believe God put everything where it is found. I quoted John 1:3
3. Actually, I don't think it's worship since we're not doing this, the cosmos is... I guess in a way everything worships God...
4. Hmmm. This I can't answer. I was going to say for our enjoyment and wonder.

Everything you might ask is important...
I don't believe in rabbit trails...
Discussion takes us in different directions. It's up to the O.P. to get us back on track...
 
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I don't suppose this is a science thread
can't you hear the sounds coming from the planets?
don't you think God put them there?
You can't understand that as worship?
Why did he put those sounds there?

I understanding you were appealing to natural theology but you didn't say that. Your post was wide open to interpretation. The scoop of how we worship God is based on His revealed will in scripture not what maybe drawn in from creation.

You know the purpose of creation?
Please share.

As to the sounds from outer space:
John 1:3

As this is the Reformed Calvinistic forum, "the chief end of man is to glorify God and to enjoy Him forever."

Psalm 86. Bow down thine ear, O LORD, hear me: for I am poor and needy. Preserve my soul; for I am holy: O thou my God, save thy servant that trusteth in thee. Be merciful unto me, O Lord: for I cry unto thee daily. Rejoice the soul of thy servant: for unto thee, O Lord, do I lift up my soul. For thou, Lord, art good, and ready to forgive; and plenteous in mercy unto all them that call upon thee. Give ear, O LORD, unto my prayer; and attend to the voice of my supplications. In the day of my trouble I will call upon thee: for thou wilt answer me. Among the gods there is none like unto thee, O Lord; neither are there any works like unto thy works. All nations whom thou hast made shall come and worship before thee, O Lord; and shall glorify thy name. For thou art great, and doest wondrous things: thou art God alone. Teach me thy way, O LORD; I will walk in thy truth: unite my heart to fear thy name. I will praise thee, O Lord my God, with all my heart: and I will glorify thy name for evermore. For great is thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest hell. O God, the proud are risen against me, and the assemblies of violent men have sought after my soul; and have not set thee before them. But thou, O Lord, art a God full of compassion, and gracious, longsuffering, and plenteous in mercy and truth. O turn unto me, and have mercy upon me; give thy strength unto thy servant, and save the son of thine handmaid. Show me a token for good; that they which hate me may see it, and be ashamed: because thou, LORD, hast holpen me, and comforted me.

Isaiah 60:21.
Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified.

Romans 11:36.
For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

1 Corinthians 6:20, 10:31.
For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.... Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

Revelation 4:11.
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

[Psalm 16:5-11. The LORD is the portion of mine inheritance and of my cup: thou maintainest my lot. The lines are fallen unto me in pleasant places; yea, I have a goodly heritage. I will bless the LORD, who hath given me counsel: my reins also instruct me in the night seasons. I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved. Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in hope. For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Thou wilt show me the path of life: in thy presence is fulness of joy; at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore.

Psalm 144:15.
Happy is that people, that is in such a case: yea, happy is that people, whose God is the LORD.

Isaiah 12:2.
Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.

Luke 2:10.
And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

Philippians 4:4.
Rejoice in the Lord alway: and again I say, Rejoice.

Revelation 21:3-4.
And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
 
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I understanding you were appealing to natural theology but you didn't say that. Your post was wide open to interpretation. The scoop of how we worship God is based on His revealed will in scripture not what maybe drawn in from creation.



As this is the Reformed Calvinistic forum, "the chief end of man is to glorify God and to enjoy Him forever."

Psalm 86. Bow down thine ear, O LORD, hear me: for I am poor and needy. Preserve my soul; for I am holy: O thou my God, save thy servant that trusteth in thee. Be merciful unto me, O Lord: for I cry unto thee daily. Rejoice the soul of thy servant: for unto thee, O Lord, do I lift up my soul. For thou, Lord, art good, and ready to forgive; and plenteous in mercy unto all them that call upon thee. Give ear, O LORD, unto my prayer; and attend to the voice of my supplications. In the day of my trouble I will call upon thee: for thou wilt answer me. Among the gods there is none like unto thee, O Lord; neither are there any works like unto thy works. All nations whom thou hast made shall come and worship before thee, O Lord; and shall glorify thy name. For thou art great, and doest wondrous things: thou art God alone. Teach me thy way, O LORD; I will walk in thy truth: unite my heart to fear thy name. I will praise thee, O Lord my God, with all my heart: and I will glorify thy name for evermore. For great is thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest hell. O God, the proud are risen against me, and the assemblies of violent men have sought after my soul; and have not set thee before them. But thou, O Lord, art a God full of compassion, and gracious, longsuffering, and plenteous in mercy and truth. O turn unto me, and have mercy upon me; give thy strength unto thy servant, and save the son of thine handmaid. Show me a token for good; that they which hate me may see it, and be ashamed: because thou, LORD, hast holpen me, and comforted me.

Isaiah 60:21.
Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified.

Romans 11:36.
For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

1 Corinthians 6:20, 10:31.
For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.... Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

Revelation 4:11.
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

[Psalm 16:5-11. The LORD is the portion of mine inheritance and of my cup: thou maintainest my lot. The lines are fallen unto me in pleasant places; yea, I have a goodly heritage. I will bless the LORD, who hath given me counsel: my reins also instruct me in the night seasons. I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved. Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in hope. For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. Thou wilt show me the path of life: in thy presence is fulness of joy; at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore.

Psalm 144:15.
Happy is that people, that is in such a case: yea, happy is that people, whose God is the LORD.

Isaiah 12:2.
Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.

Luke 2:10.
And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

Philippians 4:4.
Rejoice in the Lord alway: and again I say, Rejoice.

Revelation 21:3-4.
And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Sorry JM. I'm new here and didn't realize what forum I was on.
Thanks for taking the time to reply. I believe the reason for being here is to serve God and love our creator. Looks like we agree.

But our agreement ends there since I'm not calvinist in theology.
:)
 
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I didn't say God doesn't like rock in church.
I said He probably does NOT like it.
The reason I go to church is not to hear music.
I go to concerts for that.
Sometimes what goes for music in some churches can be really loud and overpowering, kind of off-putting and detracting from the purpose for which one is there...
 
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Sometimes what goes for music in some churches can be really loud and overpowering, kind of off-putting and detracting from the purpose for which one is there...
Exactly.
The attention is on the band and the music, not on God.
I remember when guitars were introduced, but rock music does truly seem different to me.
 
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Exactly.
The attention is on the band and the music, not on God.
I remember when guitars were introduced, but rock music does truly seem different to me.
The sheer volume has a lot to do with it, I think. "Be still, and know that I am God" (Psalm 46.10).
 
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Does our solar system worship God with music?

That's like asking " Does a tree falling in the forest and no one hears still make a sound?" The cosmos is moving and constantly changing according to God's purpose. Notice I didn't say His will. His will is His purpose to glorify Himself in sovereign mercy to chosen sinners in Christ Jesus the Lord. All things are for His sake. If you can figure out how those noises glorify Christ I will call it worship.
 
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One of my favorite aspects of morning worship is the pauses and silence.
I find those times to foster a fake spirituality in myself. I love my quiet time with the Lord but in a public worship service it just seems fake. I am not saying that it is fake but acting all spiritual at the appointed time seems fake to me.

When I walk into a gathering where the Spirit is there I am immediately aware of it. True worship is where Christ is known, preached praised and worshiped. There is no substitute once you've known it.
 
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I find those times to foster a fake spirituality in myself. I love my quiet time with the Lord but in a public worship service it just seems fake. I am not saying that it is fake but acting all spiritual at the appointed time seems fake to me.

When I walk into a gathering where the Spirit is there I am immediately aware of it. True worship is where Christ is known, preached praised and worshiped. There is no substitute once you've known it.

I see no difference between the quiet times I have with God outside of church or in the church. If they seem fake maybe there's something going on with you that is causing you to avoid it? I don't know. It's not a feeling that is experienced in silence, but a setting aside the crap in the day and rolling the scriptures through my mind or maybe offering up a prayer that isn't too polluted with selfish requests.

Br. Twin, I would caution you against relying on feeling to discern spiritual matters at anytime. There is experiencing God experimentally and feeling spiritually puffy and fake. I don't believe the two are the same.

Yours in the Lord,

jm
 
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