Are works (words, deeds, actions) a reflection of what is in your heart,...?

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Are works (words, deeds, actions) a reflection of what is in your heart...?, Or evidence of, a (truly) converted, or born again person, or (a new converted) heart...?

Can "we" (not God), "judge" each other in this...?

We all know the conflict, even in scripture, especially in scripture and in churches, of grace, and works, and people going to one extreme of the other...

This subject came up due to in Revelation of how "all" would be judged by their "works" (words, actions, deeds)...

And I'm wondering, or was wondering why...? But I think it is because (only?) God can, and does judge, the "heart" of a person, and works are a reflection of this, are they not...?

But, Can "we", or should we, (not God) (cause God obviously can) "judge" each other, or one another, in this, (our works)...?

Comments...?

God Bless!
To add a little bit of nuance to the original question I don't think "works of the law" and "works" represent the same idea in all cases, my comment is awaiting moderation currently on this thread but you'll see why I say this here: Works of the law...? What are they...? or is it...? Basically I think "works of the law" was an incorrect teaching that you could be justified by certain "works" of the law but "works" are great as long as you don't think you will obtain salvation by them.
 
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But, Can "we", or should we, (not God) (cause God obviously can) "judge" each other, or one another, in this, (our works)...?

We are told (in no uncertain terms) that we should NOT judge. Let God do that. We are supposed to be fruit gatherers, not fruit inspectors.
 
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Are works (words, deeds, actions) a reflection of what is in your heart...?, Or evidence of, a (truly) converted, or born again person, or (a new converted) heart...?

Can "we" (not God), "judge" each other in this...?

We all know the conflict, even in scripture, especially in scripture and in churches, of grace, and works, and people going to one extreme of the other...

This subject came up due to in Revelation of how "all" would be judged by their "works" (words, actions, deeds)...

And I'm wondering, or was wondering why...? But I think it is because (only?) God can, and does judge, the "heart" of a person, and works are a reflection of this, are they not...?

But, Can "we", or should we, (not God) (cause God obviously can) "judge" each other, or one another, in this, (our works)...?

Comments...?

God Bless!

A negative answer to your question is explained in great detail by Pastor Bill Hybel's little book, "Who You Are when No One's Looking."

Jesus says, "By your fruits you will know them." But the Bible does not allow us to pronounce a final verdict on someone's character based on their fruits alone. Let me quote the Pauline text that best answers your issue:

"I do not even judge myself. I am not aware of anything against myself, but I am not thereby acquitted. Its the Lord who judges me...who will bring to light the things hidden in darkness and will disclose the purposes of the heart (1 Corinthians 4:4-5)."

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We are told (in no uncertain terms) that we should NOT judge. Let God do that. We are supposed to be fruit gatherers, not fruit inspectors.
Hi Monk, if Matthew 7:1's command means not judging, period, then what are we to make of what the Lord has to say to us just 5 verses later?

Matthew 7
6 "Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces."

And what do we do with a similar command of His that's found in John 7?

John 7
24 "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”

If someone "claims" and believes themselves to be a Christian, but their lives do not reflect/show any evidence of that claim continuously, are we to say nothing to them, and choose not to pray for them, based upon the world's understanding of "do not judge" :scratch:

I realize that we are not to be hypocritical or condemning in our judgments, either of ourselves .. cf 2 Corinthians 13:5, or of others, but I believe the Bible is replete with examples, admonishments and commands for us to make righteous judgments when necessary, even in the way we choose to "love" others. For example:

1 Corinthians 13
6 Love .. does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth.​

Yours and His,
David

Leviticus 19
15 You shall do no injustice in judgment; you shall not be partial to the poor nor defer to the great, but you are to judge your neighbor fairly.
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Are works (words, deeds, actions) a reflection of what is in your heart...?, Or evidence of, a (truly) converted, or born again person, or (a new converted) heart...?

Can "we" (not God), "judge" each other in this...?

We all know the conflict, even in scripture, especially in scripture and in churches, of grace, and works, and people going to one extreme of the other...

This subject came up due to in Revelation of how "all" would be judged by their "works" (words, actions, deeds)...

And I'm wondering, or was wondering why...? But I think it is because (only?) God can, and does judge, the "heart" of a person, and works are a reflection of this, are they not...?

But, Can "we", or should we, (not God) (cause God obviously can) "judge" each other, or one another, in this, (our works)...?

Comments...?

God Bless!

Matthew 15:18-20

But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these things defile a man. 19For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, and slander. 20These are what defile a man, but eating with unwashed hands does not defile him

Luke 6:45

A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.

A good man has a good treasure in his heart and an evil man has an evil treasure in his heart. This is how good works and bad works come about, I believe
 
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I guess the big question is: "Are you bold enough to say, (or willing to take the risk of saying), you are "one with God"...? Cause, what if you are not (yet), or cannot be fully be (yet) maybe due to sin or something... (being still a little tiny bit of a hypocrite), (or still have some small pride issues left), (or are otherwise not yet "perfect")... Cause if you are not (perfect), then how can you claim to truly be "one with God"...? You'd also have to have the mind of God, and the heart of God... And, also, not be, or have, a "dual nature" anymore...

So, are you "one with God" @PeaceJoyLove ...?

God Bless!
Perception is everything...as in "Where art thou?" God fills all in all. His spirit dwells in each and every body. Everything "IS" because of God. The truth pertains to us as much individually as collectively.

Jesus said He came so the blind may see and those who see may become blind...
 
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We are told (in no uncertain terms) that we should NOT judge. Let God do that. We are supposed to be fruit gatherers, not fruit inspectors.
might be worth you reading this scripture: But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

Christian Standard Bible
 
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Yeah, and what exactly do you mean by that...? Or how, or could you explain that a bit...?

How so...?

a perception of lack whereby all things become of gain ... as in Adams/mans perception that GOD is outside of him/us and that we must then come to Him by steps which is a laboring to bring forth that which is already ours ... Jesus kept the law "thou shall not eat of it" and therefor his mind was not seeded by a serpent which is to say he kept his garden enclosed and did not hearken after his wife/soul, but only ate from the table already prepared by his spirit/Father

to be dual/double minded is to eat from two tables ... a reasoning ( as in mixing) between what is and what is not ...

So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I am about to spit you out of My mouth.

this is not a one post answer, albeit i have been speaking to this thus far, but in order to see these truths i write ones women/soul has to be still ...
 
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a perception of lack whereby all things become of gain ... as in Adams/mans perception that GOD is outside of him/us and that we must then come to Him by steps which is a laboring to bring forth that which is already ours ... Jesus kept the law "thou shall not eat of it" and therefor his mind was not seeded by a serpent which is to say he kept his garden enclosed and did not hearken after his wife/soul, but only ate from the table already prepared by his spirit/Father

to be dual/double minded is to eat from two tables ... a reasoning ( as in mixing) between what is and what is not ...

So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I am about to spit you out of My mouth.

this is not a one post answer, albeit i have been speaking to this thus far, but in order to see these truths i write ones women/soul has to be still ...

He who has the bride is the bridegroom... two are ONE (again)...In the beginning, in a garden ONE was wounded in his side and out came a woman who prepared the feast he ate...that changed his perspective (place of seeing and knowing...confusion of face/identity crisis)...as long as the woman (picture of our soul) feeds us from the tree in midst, there is duality...five senses perceiving (from outside our being) is to think there is a distance between self/soul and God.
 
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He who has the bride is the bridegroom... two are ONE (again)...In the beginning, in a garden ONE was wounded in his side and out came a woman who prepared the feast he ate...that changed his perspective (place of seeing and knowing...confusion of face/identity crisis)...as long as the woman (picture of our soul) feeds us from the tree in midst, there is duality...five senses perceiving (from outside our being) is to think there is a distance between self/soul and God.

"Therefore come out from their (good&evil) midst and be separate, says the Lord, and touch no unclean thing, and I will receive you."
 
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"Therefore come out from their (good&evil) midst and be separate, says the Lord, and touch no unclean thing, and I will receive you."
And no one can reason with God without becoming clean. :D
 
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And no one can reason with God without becoming clean. :D


seeing the tree of knowledge of good and evil and the tree of life are one and the same tree ... the seed of the serpent and the seed of the women are one and the same seed ... two rests one unto death and one unto life ... first help meet and the second help meet which relate to the scattering and the gathering of this one seed GOD is

without a seed falling to the ground it abides alone ...
 
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