LoveGodsWord said:
↑JAMES 2:8-11 [8], If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture,
Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
[9], But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. [10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11] For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW
James is pretty clear if we brake ANY of God's Law (10 commandments) then we are a TRANSGRESSOR of God's LAW
Who is James speaking to and why? Is the royal law the law of love or the law given exclusively to Israel at Sinai?
God's Word makes it very clear there is no need to guess, read the scriptures quoted. It is in reference to the 10 Commandments. You cannot separate LOVE from God's LAW (10 Commandments) as quoted from Jesus...
MATTHEW 22:36-40 [40] [36], Teacher,
which is the great commandment in the law? [37], Jesus said unto him,
You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. [38],
This is the first and great commandment. [39], And
the second is like unto it,
You shall love your neighbor as yourself. [40],
ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.
Jesus is quoting from Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18.
again as quoted from Paul agreeing with Jesus...
ROMANS 13:8-10 [8], Owe no man anything, but to
love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law. [9],
For this <if you love one another>,
You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. [10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore
LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW <doing>.
as quoted by James agreeing with both Jesus and Paul...
JAMES 2:8-11 [8]
, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture,
Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well: [9]
, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. [10]
, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11]
For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW
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CONCLUSION: Jesus, Paul and James all agree that none are loving God or their neighbore if they are breaking ANY of God's Commandments. LOVE is the fulfilling (doing) of God's LAW in those who BELIEVE.
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WHO ARE GOD'S ISRAEL?
If you are not a part of God's Israel you are not a part of the NEW COVENANT promise (Heb 8:10-12). God's NEW COVENANT promise is to God's ISRAEL who are those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you are not a part of the NEW COVENANT (Galatains 3:28-29; Romans 9:6; Colossians 3:11; Romans 10:11-13; Jeremiah 31:33-34; Hebrews 8:10-12).
GALATAINS 3:28-29, THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
COLOSSIANS 3:11, WHERE THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
ROMANS 10:11-13, For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEW OR GREEK: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.
ROMANS 2:28-29, FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY ; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
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CONCLUSION: Gentiles are now grafted in to God's ISRAEL who are those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD (Romans 11:16-27). Seems God's WORD disagrees with you.
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1 JOHN 3:4 [4] Whosoever commits SIN transgresses also the law: for
SIN is the transgression of the law.
Covered this yesterday. Yes I'm responding to the same post. Forgot exactly where I left off.
I was not going to bother replying to your post from yesterday as I think that the scripture already provided cover everything you posted very well. If you think I have not covered something let me know and I will go through it in detail. Why you think highlighting the word ALSO changes the meaning of the scriptures is beyond me however.
Here is the literal GREEK to ENGLISH (interlinear) of 1 JOHN 3:4,
"Everyone practicing SIN also lawlessness practices and SIN is lawlessness"
This literal translation only makes the interpretation clearer. SIN is breaking God's Commandments (lawlessness; not obeying law).
Here are some parallel translations from other bibles also supporting the above..
New International Version
Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.
New Living Translation
Everyone who sins is breaking God's law, for all sin is contrary to the law of God.
English Standard Version
Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.
Berean Literal Bible
Everyone committing sin also commits lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.
King James Bible
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Christian Standard Bible
Everyone who commits sin practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.
Contemporary English Version
Everyone who sins breaks God's law, because sin is the same as breaking God's law.
Good News Translation
Whoever sins is guilty of breaking God's law, because sin is a breaking of the law.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
Everyone who commits sin also breaks the law; sin is the breaking of law.
New Heart English Bible
Everyone who sins also commits lawlessness. Sin is lawlessness.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
But whoever commits sin commits evil, for sin is entirely evil.
GOD'S WORD® Translation
Those who live sinful lives are disobeying God. Sin is disobedience.
New American Standard 1977
Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.
American Standard Version
Every one that doeth sin doeth also lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.
Douay-Rheims Bible
Whosoever committeth sin commmitteth also iniquity; and sin is iniquity.
Darby Bible Translation
Every one that practises sin practises also lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.
English Revised Version
Every one that doeth sin doeth also lawlessness: and sin is lawlessness.
Weymouth New Testament
Every one who is guilty of sin is also guilty of violating Law; for sin is the violation of Law.
World English Bible
Everyone who sins also commits lawlessness. Sin is lawlessness.
Young's Literal Translation
Every one who is doing the sin, the lawlessness also he doth do, and the sin is the lawlessness,
Study Bible
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CONCLUSION: No need to guess highlighting the word
ALSO in 1 John 3:4 does not change the meaning of the scripture which is SIN is breaking God's LAW (10 commandments)
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This scripture from 1 John 3:4 is also in agreement with Paul
ROMANS 3:20 [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight:
FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.
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ROMANS 7:7 [7], What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay,
I had not known SIN, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said,
Thou shalt not covet.
John and Paul are also in agreement with James...
JAMES 2:8-11 [8], If ye fulfill the
royal law according to the scripture,
Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well: [9],
But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. [10],
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11]
For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW
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CONCLUSION: James and Paul both agree with John that SIN is breaking God's Commandments and give us a KNOLWLEDGE of what SIN is. God's Word disagrees with you.
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But you don't show us where either require keeping the law.
HEBREWS 10:26-27 [26],
For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins, [27],
But a certain fearful expectation of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
HEBREWS 6:4-8 [4], For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit, [5], And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the age to come, [6],
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. [7], For the earth which drinks in the rain that comes often upon it, and brings forth plants fit for them by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God: [8],
But that which bears thorns and briars is worthless, and is near unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
ROMANS 6:23 [23],
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
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CONCLUSION: SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments. All who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN because they reject the GIFT of God's dear son.
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Paul doesn't tell us to keep the law in your verse.
ROMANS 3:31 [31], Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea,
WE ESTABLSIH THE LAW.
ROAMANS 13:8-10 [8], Owe no man anything, but to love one another:
for he that loves another has fulfilled the law. [9],
For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. [10], Love works no ill to his neighbor:
therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW.
Paul also makes it clear sin was before the law in 5:13 and Galatians 3:19.
ROMANS 5:12-13 [12], Therefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: [13],
For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
The GREEK word
UNTIL in ROMANS 5:13 is ἄχρι, ἄχρις; achri achris; akh'-ree, akh'-rece
Akin to G206 (through the idea of a terminus); (of time) until or (of place) up to : -
as far as, for, in (-to),
till, (even, un-) to, until,
while. Compare G3360.
This translates...
for while the law sin was in the world
for till the law sin was in the world
for untill the law sin was in the world
Young's Literal Translation
for
till law sin was in the world: and sin is not reckoned when there is not law; but sin is not imputed were there is no law.
God's LAW gives a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is. If there is no law then then is no SIN.
The scriptures you quote only support what is being shared with you.
Romans 5:13 is not saying SIN is before the law only that the God's LAW gives us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is. This is consistent with what Paul is saying in Romans 3:20 and Romans 7:7 before and after Romans 5. You are reading into scripture something that is not there.
This is consistent with ACTS 17:30-31 and JAMES 4:17. If you have a KNOWLEDGE of SIN then you are held accountable to God for your SINS.
Chapter 7 can in no way be construed to promote keeping the law.
Indeed, ROMANS 7 is talking about the experience of the UNCONVERTED man and the law of SIN and DEATH (Sinful nature). It concludes in v24-25
[24], O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
[25], I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
SO THEN WITH THE MIND I MYSELF SERVE THE LAW OF GOD ; but with the
flesh <G4561 Carnal mind or sinful human nature> the law of sin
(not Born again).
Slavation from SIN is found in Jesus Christ (Saviour) ....
SO then with the MIND I serve the LAW of GOD.... Sound familiar?
HEBREWS 8:10 [10], For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord;
I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS AND WRITE THEM IN THEIR HEARTS : and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people
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EZEKIEL 36:26-27 [26],
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh. [27],
And I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT WITHIN YOU, AND CAUSE YOU TO WALK IN MY STATUTES AND YOU SHALL KEEP MY JUDGEMENTS AND DO THEM.
Romans 8 continue the same...
ROMANS 8:1-14
[1], There is therefore now no condemnation to them who are in Christ Jesus,
WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH <G4561 Carnal mind or sinful human nature>, BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT <Ezekiel 36:26-27; Hebrews 8:10; Jeremiah 31:31-34; NEW COVENANT PROMISE>.
[2],
FOR THE LAW OF THE SPIRIT OF LIFE IN CHRIST JESUS <Ezekiel 36:26-27; Hebrews 8:10; Jeremiah 31:31-34; NEW COVENANT PROMISE> has made me
free from the
law of sin and death <carnal mind or sinful human nature>.
[3], For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the
flesh <G4561 Carnal mind or sinful human nature>, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: [4],
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[5], For they that are after the
flesh <G4561 Carnal mind or sinful human nature> do mind the things of the
flesh <G4561 Carnal mind or sinful human nature>; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
[6], For to be
carnally <G4561 same grk word used as FLESH; Carnal mind or sinful human nature> minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[7],
Because the carnal <G4561 same grk word used as FLESH; Carnal mind or sinful human nature> mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
[8], So then they that are in the
flesh <G4561 same grk word used as CARNAL ; Carnal/FLESH = carnal mind or sinful human nature> cannot please God.
[9], But you are not in the
flesh <G4561 same grk word used as CARNAL ; Carnal/FLESH = carnal mind or sinful human nature> , but in the
Spirit <Ezekiel 36:26-27; Hebrews 8:10; Jeremiah 31:31-34; NEW COVENANT PROMISE>, if so be that the
Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
[10], And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but
the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
[11], But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also bring to life your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwells in you.
[12], Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the
flesh <G4561 same grk word used as CARNAL ; Carnal/FLESH = carnal mind or sinful human nature> , to live after the flesh.
[13],
For if you live after the flesh, you shall die: but if you through the Spirit do put to death the deeds of the body, you shall live.
[14],
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
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CONCLUSION: ROMANS 7 and ROMANS 8 are talking about the NEW COVENANT promise of SALVATION from SIN not salvation in SIN. 8v13
For if you live after the flesh, you shall die: but if you through the Spirit do put to death the deeds of the body, you shall live. Paul is not delivered from God's LAW (10 Commandments) he is delivered from SIN that the law was showing him he was committing. God's WORD disagrees with you.
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LGW wrote: There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (
Matthew 15:3-9)
Since the old covenant has been revoked and replaced aren't you doing exactly this?
What in the OLD COVENANT that has been revoked? We are indeed in the NEW COVENANT now. It is your understanding of what the OLD COVENANT is that shows you mix up your SHADOW laws pointing to Jesus and God's plan of salvation with those that are ETERNAL that give a KNOWLEDGE of SIN that lead us to Christ so that we can be saved by Faith.
You still have posted no passage from the NT requiring keeping the sabbath.
Well that is not true...
Too many... more NT Scriptures CLICK ME;
Romans 3:20;
1 John 3:4;
Romans 7:7;
James 2:8-12;
Romans 13:10-12;
Matthew 5:17-19;
Where does it say in all of God's WORD that God's 4th Commandment is ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a HOLY day? hmmm wait a min
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There is
NO scripture. Sunday worship is a teaching and
tradition and teaching of men that has lead many to break the commandments of God (Matthew 15:3-9)
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (
Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (
James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (
Hebrews 10:26-27)
You've been at least referred to Matthew 11:28-30 where Jesus give what you claim the sabbath does.
This scripture certainly does not say God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day now does it?
It should be obvious the sabbath doesn't grant the rest of God, He swore Israel would not ever be able to enter.
Amen!
It is BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD that grants rest. You cannot enter God's SABBATH rest if you do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. UNBELIEVERS have no part in God's REST or his KINGDOM (Hebrews 3; Hebrews 4).
LGW wrote: If you are no a part of God's ISRAEL you are not a part of the NEW COVENANT (
Hebrews 8:10-12). Gentiles are now grafted in (
Romans 11:16-26). God's WORD says those who break God's Commandments do not KNOW God and are lying; neither do they have his Spirit (
1 John 2:3-4;
1 John 3:3-10;
James 2:8-12; Acts 5:32)
This verse (17) you don't reference from Romans 11 says: And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted
in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Ephesians 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
It says nothing about becoming part of Israel. The Jews aren't noted as saints by anyone. Check out the list in Hebrews 11. Also note Paul calls the Corinthians saints and read what they were doing. No I'm not condoning or promoting sin or the right to sin.
v17 was referenced above when I was quoting Romans 11:16-26 (there was a typo in the post) None of what you have posted support your understanding of Gentiles not being a part of God's Israel as the scriptures say in Romans 11:16-26 that Gentile BELIEVERS are grafted in to God's ISRAEL. This is also consistant with what Paul writes in other places shown above already...
GALATAINS 3:28-29, THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
COLOSSIANS 3:11, WHERE THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
ROMANS 10:11-13, For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEW OR GREEK: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.
ROMANS 2:28-29, FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY ; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
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CONCLUSION: If you are not a part of God's Israel you are not a part of the NEW COVENANT promise (Heb 8:10-12). God's NEW COVENANT promise is to God's ISRAEL who are those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you are not a part of the NEW COVENANT (Galatains 3:28-29; Romans 9:6; Colossians 3:11; Romans 10:11-13; Jeremiah 31:33-34; Hebrews 8:10-12). God's Word disagrees with you. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT.
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Everything else you have posted is only your own words over God's WORD. You are free to BELIEVE the scriptures posted or not BELIEVE. It is the WORD of God that will judge us all in the last days.
JOHN 12:47-48 [47] And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. [48], He that rejects me, and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
All who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOME of HEAVEN.
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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (
James 2:9-11;
Romans 7:7;
1 John 3:4)
Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (
Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (
James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (
Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (
Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
