COL 2:14-17 The REAL truth from God's Word

LoveGodsWord · Apr 16, 2018

listed said:
LoveGodsWord wrote; Just a few of the NT scriptures here CLICK ME (linked)...

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Yes I read your link. It's that you leave out most NT passages that apply to the NC. No where does the NT promote obligation to the law. That means you're trying to convince me and others to forsake the NT grace for the law.

Actually every scriptures in that link is NEW COVENANT and NEW TESTAMENT scriptures and links the OLD to the NEW. Did you really read the sciptures listed in that link. There are many that disagree with you. (the list is not exhaustive either).

Some NT Scriptures that disagree with you CLICK ME (linked)...

listed said:
Is this found in your Bible:
Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: Where do you get your authority to demand keeping the law?

Indeed. As discussed earlier Acts 15 is talking about the MOSAIC law of CIRCUMCISION one of the SHADOW laws discussed in post # 1961 linked CLICK ME HERE, from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT (not the 10 Commandments).

listed said:
Love GodsWord wrote: Not at all. Paul is only agreeing with what is being shared here to you. That is to be dead to sin means not to practice sin. Those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNPREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is nearly in all my posts. SIN is breaking God's Commandments because it is God's Commandments that give a KNOWLEDDGE of what SIN is. You are only agreeing with me by quoting Paul in Romans 6 (see Romans 3:20; 7:7; James 2:8-12; 1 John 3:4)

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If we're delivered from the slavery of sin, what purpose does the law serve?

The same as it has always been to give a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS are (good and evil). It is that KNOWLEDGE of Good and Evil.

ROMANS 3:20 [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOLWEDGE OF SIN.

It is the schoolmaster the leads all to the foot of the cross that we might be forgiven by FAITH to walk in his Spirit (Gal 3:24-25; Romans 8:1-4)

listed said:
LoveGodsWord wrote: It is very easy to see Jesus, expounding on God's LAW in Matthew 5 that is why Jesus says committing murder and Adultery starts first in the thoughts and feelings (Matthew 5:21-28). It is God's WORD we must BELIEVE what God says over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

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You obviously din't understand how the mind functions. The law is a negative force. Grace is a positive force.

You can read about the natural sinful mind and the mind of the Spirit in Romans 7 and Romans 8. This descibes the purpose of God's LAW as our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ by Faith. Under GRACE God's Commandments change to become exceeding great and preciuous promises that enable us to beome a partaker of the divine nature in resisting temptation to sin. (2 Peter 1:2-8; 1 John 5:4; 1 John 3:3-10)

listed said:
LoveGodsWord wrote: On the contrary I do believe it is a commandment of God (not the 10 Commandments) it is your understanding of what the scripture means that God's WORD disagrees with. The scriptures is saying we are to BELIEVE and FOLLOW ALL of God's WORD because Jesus IS the WORD of GOD. If you do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW ALL THE WORD of GOD you are not FOLLOWING Jesus. This is what the CONTEXT of John 3:23 is saying in 1 John 3:3-15 when it says that those who break God's Commandments (10 Commandments) are NOT FOLLOWING God. If you BELIEVE on the name of Jesus (Saviour; Matthew 1:21) then you will do what he asks you to do. Those who disobey God to not have his Spirit and do not KNOW him (Acts 5:32; 1 John 2:3-4).

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What you're requiring is impossible. You focus on performance of the flesh. The flesh isn't ever redeemed. Your focus is the flesh controls the soul. My focus is the soul controls the flesh. Thus as James says it's when we are enticed we (our soul) sins, not just our body.

Not at all. What we are talking about now is God's WORD and FAITH. Shall anything be impossible to God? (Phil 4:13). This is our calling RIGHTEOUSNESS (Obedience) by FAITH in God's promises; living by EVERY WORD that proceeds out of the mouth of God. Seeing yourself as God sees you as a SINNER in need of a Savior. Reaching out and touching the hem of his garment, saying "Speak the WORD ONLY Lord and I shall be healed"

MATTHEW 9:12-13 [12], But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. [13], But go and learn what that means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. (this is the purpose of God's LAW)

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

Cribstyl · Apr 16, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Hello Cribsty, why do you think there is too many issues to address?

Besides your 27 questions (downloaded) with no scriptures as foundation.....you expect responses that you will ignore only to play fetch the stick with more bogus claims.

LGW said:
Do you mean you cannot address them?

I said what I meant....
It would take me hours to grant your request, (you have not earned my respect) and besides that, I've been through these questions before with other SDA members including BobRyan.
My responses will not change your view, but it will expose your bias.

LGW said:
This is true however there is no scripture to answer the questions above that is what I asked them to you.
If you cannot answer these questions you should at least pray about what we are discussing here.

Obviously, you're playing a game of ignorance because you wont accept what the scriptures teach on these matters.

LGW said:
I have not ignored any of your posts. I have gone through your posts to me and provided scripture that disagrees with your interpretation of them. I am happy to have a discussion with you but let's talk use scripture for what we believe? Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another.

Let's rewind for facts on these 3 statements you're making above..... My response to #1966 was post #1970 in which I made these 4 claims:

"These are not biblical truths but rather biblical spin.

The Sabbath truth is that Sabbath was a sign of a covenant which was fulfilled.

Day's of worship are addressed by Paul as personal convictions. (Rom 14)"

Saying that Sabbath was made for man points to God making it as a covenant between Himself the Children of Israel, NOT to Adam at creation."

Let's now see if your response to me addressed any of my claims

#1972 .......The reason you cannot answer these questions you post against is because they disagree with the tradition of the RCC (Sunday worship).

There is NO scripture in God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now abolished and we are commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. Many are ignorantly taught this tradition from Sunday school.......

You did not address what I said. You began your response making more questionable claims.

Did you make a statement or show any scriptures refuting that Sabbath was a sign of the Mosaic Covenant? NO. In my understanding and argument the New Covenant replaces the Old and thus the Sabbath was a sign fulfilled by Jesus.
So all your questions about Sabbath and the law are questionable.

Your 27 questions are not based on scriptures they're straw arguments made up by SDA to create false optics against other denominations.

If you want my responses post 3 at a time and let's see your proof as well.

LoveGodsWord · Apr 16, 2018

Cribstyl said:
Besides your 27 questions (downloaded) with no scriptures as foundation.....you expect responses that you will ignore only to play fetch the stick with more bogus claims.

Hello Cribstyl nice to see you again.

Now your just making things up. Some of the questions are mine some are from elsewhere what does it matter? It is still relavant to the conversation here. You either stand on the WORD of GOD alone or you do not.

The questions were asked for a few reasons;

1. There is not one scripture in the entire Bible that says God's 4th Commandment has now been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a HOLY day.

2. Jesus WARNS us all that if we FOLLOW the teachings and traditions of men that break the Commandments of God we are NOT FOLLOWING God.

The foundation behind the questions asked of you is that you have no scripture to support the teaching and tradition of Sunday worship that has led many to breaks the commandments of God as shown earlier.

All of those questions posted stand behind the scriptures in Matthew 15:3-9 which says...

MATTHEW 15:3-9 [3], But he answered and said unto them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? [4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death. [5], But you say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift devoted to God, whatsoever you might have received from me; [6], And honors not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have you made the commandment of God void by your tradition. [7], You hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying, [8], These people draw near unto me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. [9], But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

There is NOT one scripture that says God's 4th Commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a HOLY day.

This like the example given by Jesus in relation to the 5th Commandment is the 4th Commandment of the 10 Commandment which the scriptures say that who ever breaks any of them stands guilty before GOD in SIN...

James 2
8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW

James is pretty clear if we brake ANY of God's Law (10 commandments) then we are a TRANSGRESSOR of God's LAW

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1 John 3
4 Whosoever commits SIN transgresses also the law: for SIN is the transgression of the law.
John is in agreement with James and states that if we TRANSGRESS God's LAW then we commit SIN because SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW. So it is very clear that SIN is breaking ANY of God's LAW (10 commandments)

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Romans 7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known SIN, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Well here we have Paul in agreement with James and John also telling us that SIN is breaking God's commandments and uses the 10th commandment as an example of breaking any of God's LAW (10 commandments) = SIN (Exodus 20:17)

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Romans 3
20, Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.

Once again Paul is in agreement with John and James which all agree together that if we break any of God's LAW (10 commandments) we commit SIN because as James, John and Paul all agree together that SIN is breaking ANY of God's 10 commandments.

God's Word is in disagreement with you my friend. SIN is the transgression of God's LAW (10 commandments)

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

So I guess there is a bit more scripture behind those questions then you think isn't there?

Cribstyl said:
LoveGodsWord wrote: Do you mean you cannot address them?

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I said what I meant.... It would take me hours to grant your request, (you have not earned my respect) and besides that, I've been through these questions before with other SDA members including BobRyan. My responses will not change your view, but it will expose your bias.

It is up to you if you choose to BELIEVE or NOT BELIEVE the scriptures posted to you. I do not judge you. If you cannot answer the questions or respond to the posts and the scriptures in them maybe you can pray about them at home? Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another. So far you have only shared your words over God's WORD.

Cribstyl said:
LGW said: This is true however there is no scripture to answer the questions above that is what I asked them to you.
If you cannot answer these questions you should at least pray about what we are discussing here.

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Obviously, you're playing a game of ignorance because you wont accept what the scriptures teach on these matters.

Not at all just being honest. There is no games just as there is no scripture that says God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a HOLY day. Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it.

Cribstyl said:
LGW said: I have not ignored any of your posts. I have gone through your posts to me and provided scripture that disagrees with your interpretation of them. I am happy to have a discussion with you but let's talk use scripture for what we believe? Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another.

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Let's rewind for facts on these 3 statements you're making above..... My response to #1966 was post #1970 in which I made these 4 claims:

Your response to post #1966 was to ignore the post and call it biblical spin if I remember correctly because you could not answer the questions in the post. My next post to you in post # 1972 was in response to you ignoring post # 1966.

Let's have a look at what you said in a bit more detail here if it may help...

Cribstyl said:
"These are not biblical truths but rather biblical spin.

Already answered in post # 1972 and also addressed in the first section of this post.

Cribstyl said:
The Sabbath truth is that Sabbath was a sign of a covenant which was fulfilled.

God's Sabbth (4th Commandment) is indeed a SIGN to God's people. Where does it say in the scriptures that this sign is not applicable now in the NEW COVENANT?

let's read the scriptures....

EXODUS 31:13-17 [13], Speak also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths you shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that you may know that I am the LORD that does sanctify you. [14], You shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defiles it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever does any work on it, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. [15], Six days may work be done; but on the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever does any work on the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. [16], Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a EVERLASTING covenant. [17], It is a sign between me and the children of Israel forever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

New Living Translation
The people of Israel must keep the Sabbath day by observing it from generation to generation. This is a covenant obligation for all time.

English Standard Version
Therefore the people of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, observing the Sabbath throughout their generations, as a covenant forever.

New American Standard Bible
'So the sons of Israel shall observe the sabbath, to celebrate the sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant.'

King James Bible
Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

Christian Standard Bible
The Israelites must observe the Sabbath, celebrating it throughout their generations as a permanent covenant.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Let the children of Israel keep the sabbath, and celebrate it in their generations. It is an everlasting covenant

Darby Bible Translation
And the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations -- [it is] an everlasting covenant.

Now all of this links into the next key scripture as follows

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ISAIAH 66:22-23 [22], For as the NEW HEAVENS AND THE NEW EARTH, which I will make, shall remain before me, says the LORD, so shall your descendants and your name remain. [23], And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and FROM ONE SABBATH TO ANOTHER, shall all flesh come to worship before me, says the LORD.

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CONCLUSION : Yep the scriptures are pretty clear here that God's SABBATH is an EVERLASTING COVENANT that will be kept in the NEW EARTH.

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lets tie this in now with who ISRAEL is in the WORD of GOD....

WHO ARE GOD'S ISRAEL IN THE NEW COVENANT?

THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE (Galatians 3:28).

No explanation needed, believe God's Word, and again..........

FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED (Romans 9:6).

FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God. (Romans 2:28-29)

God's Israel...............

Galatians 3:28-29,
THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Colossians 3:11,
WHERE THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Romans 10:11-13,
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEW OR GREEK: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.

Romans 2:28-29,
FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY ; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

The New Covenant is for God's Israel..........

Jeremiah 31:33-4,
BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS,AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Hebrews 8:10-12,
BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Hebrews 10:14-17,
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, this is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord, I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS, AND INTO THEOR MINDS WILL I WRITE THEM; and their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Galatians 3:29,
AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAMS SEED AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

The New Covenant is for God's Israel which represent those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God’s WORD. If you are not part of God's Israel you are not part of the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:10-12). God's Israel are those that believe the Word of God and follow it and is why Jesus says If you love me keep my commandments (John 14:15)

Gentiles are now grafted in to God's Israel (Romans 11:16-27)

See God's SABBATH is not only a sign of God's rest but also of his SANCTIFICATION (Ezek 20:12; Heb 3-4)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th Commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a HOLY day. This is a teaching and tradition of men that breaks the commandments of God (Matthew 15:3-9)

If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you are not a part of the NEW COVENANT promise (Hebrews 8:10-12).

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CONCLUSION : Yep the scriptures are pretty clear here that God's SABBATH is an EVERLASTING COVENANT that will be kept in the NEW EARTH.

God's ISRAEL as those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. Gentiles are now grafted in.

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Cribstyl said:
Day's of worship are addressed by Paul as personal convictions. (Rom 14)"

Well thats an easy one. Where in all of Romans 14 does it say this chapter is talking about God's 4th Commandment? Are you reading something into the scriptures that are not there? The topic is about food connected to days. Not God's 4th Commandment.

Disagree? Please provide the scriptures that say Romans 14 is a reference to God's 4th Commandment? You will not because there is no scripture as your reading into the scripttures something it is not saying.

Cribstyl said:
Saying that Sabbath was made for man points to God making it as a covenant between Himself the Children of Israel, NOT to Adam at creation."

No it does not. Mark 2:27-28 says exaclty what it says and that is Jesus as the LORD of the SABBATH and creator made it for mankind. Genesis 2:1-3 which is the ORIGIN of the SABBATH shows that the SABBATH was made at the end of the creation week when mankind was in HARMONY with GOD before SIN entered the world and before God's plan of salvation.

The children of Israel claim as also been addressed above through the scriptures.

Cribstyl said:
Let's now see if your response to me addressed any of my claims

Enough scripture for you

The only questionable claims are the ones you are making that cannot be supported by scripture. (see previous posts questions you refuse to answer)

Cribstyl said:
Did you make a statement or show any scriptures refuting that Sabbath was a sign of the Mosaic Covenant? NO.

Why would I need to? You have already been shown through God's WORD, that the SABBATH commandment is a part of the EVERLASTING COVENANT or a COVENANT that lasts FOREVER, same as the rest of God's 10 Commandments.

This has also been shown in previous posts and the OP you have yet to respond to which show the difference between the SHADOW laws in ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVANANT and God's ETERNAL LAWS (10 Commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS (Good and Evil).

Cribstyl said:
In my understanding and argument the New Covenant replaces the Old and thus the Sabbath was a sign fulfilled by Jesus.

This is where your problem is as well as some of your friends and what the OP is about here. It is your understanding of what you think the OLD COVENANT is that is the problem. You a mixing up your SHADOWS pointing to Jesus and God's plan of salvation with those that are ETERNAL that give us a KNOWLEODGE of what SIN is so that we can be led to the Saviour from sin.

Cribstyl said:
So all your questions about Sabbath and the law are questionable.

Indeed that is why they are called questions? Just making fun

. No need to be so serious.

They are nothing but questions presented to help you to see there is no scripture in all of God's WORD that says God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are commanded to keep Sunday as a HOLY DAY. This is a teaching and tradition of the RCC that has led many honest people away from God's WORD.

God knows this however and he has many true followers in all the Churches that do not know any better and in times of IGNORANCE God winks at but when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come calls all men everywhere to REPENT (ACTS 17:30-31)

Ok enough scripture for you to consider. You do not need to respond if you do not want to. Be like the faithful BAREANS and go and pray about this post and the questions and scriptures that disagree with the tradition you are following.

May God bless you as you seek him with an honest heart through his WORD coming as a little child and asking him to be your teacher (John 14:26; 16:13: 7:17)

Cribstyl · Apr 17, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Hello Cribstyl nice to see you again.

Now your just making things up.

What have I made up? Which of my claims are you responding too? I'm not understanding what you're talking about. There you go again ignoring my few comments and expecting me to respond to your barrage of false claims. YOU'RE NOT REASONABLE.

Some of the questions are mine some are from elsewhere what does it matter? It is still relavant to the conversation here. You either stand on the WORD of GOD alone or you do not.

What have you said is grounded on scriptures alone? What have I said is not grounded on scripture alone? Let's discuss these 2 questions?

The questions were asked for a few reasons;

1. There is not one scripture in the entire Bible that says God's 4th Commandment has now been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a HOLY day.

LoveGodsWord · Apr 17, 2018

Cribstyl said:
What have I made up? Which of my claims are you responding too? I'm not understanding what you're talking about. There you go again ignoring my few comments and expecting me to respond to your barrage of false claims. YOU'RE NOT REASONABLE.

Take a look above in the post in the section it was written. It is very clear what is being responded to in post # 1983 above.

Cribstyl said:
What have you said is grounded on scriptures alone?

Just about every post I have shared with you is grounded in Scripture alone because we must BELIEVE and FOLLOW the WORD of GOD over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God (Matt 4:4).

Cribstyl said:
What have I said is not grounded on scripture alone? Let's discuss these 2 questions?

Just about all of it. It is not the scripture you have provided that was the problem but your interpretation of it. When you are provided with scripture and questions that challenge your interpretation, you decline to respond to any of my posts and the scriptures in them and questions that disagree with your interpretation of the scriptures or can you answer the questions that are asked of you that disagree with your understanding of the scriptures (1 John 2:3-4).

Cribstyl said:
LGW wrote: The questions were asked for a few reasons;

1. There is not one scripture in the entire Bible that says God's 4th Commandment has now been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a HOLY day.

That statement is a straw argument and not based on the scriptures.
When Paul addressed the issue about days of worship, did he say "everyone must keep the Sabbath? No!!!! Did he say: Sunday is the new Sabbath? NO!!!!! It's disingenuous to make a false argument.
He said:
Rom 14:4 - Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 - One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 - He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord;[fn] and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks.
These 3 verse alone the foundation that exposes your endless question as manipulation of the truth.

Now your just making things up again. None of those questions and the scriptures that support them are strawman arguments at all. You either have God's WORD for your belief or you do not. So which is it?

Where in God's WORD does it say that God's 4th Commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a HOLY DAY?

If you cannot show the scriptures then what makes Matthew 15:3-9 not applicable to you or the questions that are being asked of you?

Finally you quote Romans 14 yet you ignore all of post # 1983 above, neither do you respond to it and all the scriptures that disagree with you or the questions in the post.

The topic of Romans 14 is not the Sabbath is it food connected to days. There is no mention of the SABBATH in Romans 14 neither is it the topic of conversation.

As I said in the earlier post are you reading into the scriptures something that is not there? Where in Romans 14 does it say that it is talking about God's 4th Commandment? If you cannot prove your claim then you are reading into the scriptures something that is not there.

Seems like God's WORD does not agree with you.

Who should we BELIEVE the teachings and traditions of men or the WORD of GOD?

................

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

................

PS. You still have not answered any questions for your belief I have asked you from post # 1972 linked CLICK ME; or the scriptures that challenge you in post # 1983 linked CLICK ME.

You do not have to if you cannot maybe you should pray about them at home.

It seems like God's WORD disagrees with you. May God guide you as you seek him through his Word with an honest heart..

.

Marco70 · Apr 17, 2018

Cribstyl said:
What have I made up? Which of my claims are you responding too? I'm not understanding what you're talking about. There you go again ignoring my few comments and expecting me to respond to your barrage of false claims. YOU'RE NOT REASONABLE.

What have you said is grounded on scriptures alone? What have I said is not grounded on scripture alone? Let's discuss these 2 questions?
That statement is a straw argument and not based on the scriptures.
When Paul addressed the issue about days of worship, did he say "everyone must keep the Sabbath? No!!!! Did he say: Sunday is the new Sabbath? NO!!!!! It's disingenuous to make a false argument.
He said:
Rom 14:4 - Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 - One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 - He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord;[fn] and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks.
These 3 verse alone the foundation that exposes your endless question as manipulation of the truth.

Some, can only see the literal letter, they cannot understand the true message contained in that letter. Such people follow after the written code/law. The people who understand the message contained in the letter are guided and led into truth by the Holy Spirit. You either follow after the Holy Spirit into truth, or the written code, it cannot be both.

But now, by dying to what once bound us we have been released from the law, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not the old way of the written code
Rom 7:6

Those who follow the written code/law, will berate, and attack those who follow after the Holy Spirit. For they cannot understand the truth, for only the Holy Spirit can lead into spiritual truth. They attack what they do not understand.
You follow after the Holy Spirit, therefore, you will be attacked by those who follow the written code/law. It was this way 2,000 years ago, as it is today, for nothing has changed.

God Bless.

Cribstyl · Apr 17, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Take a look above in the post in the section it was written. It is very clear what is being responded to in post # 1983 above.

Just about every post I have shared with you is grounded in Scripture alone because we must BELIEVE and FOLLOW the WORD of GOD over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God (Matt 4:4).

Just about all of it. It is not the scripture you have provided that was the problem but your interpretation of it. When you are provided with scripture and questions that challenge your interpretation, you decline to respond to any of my posts and the scriptures in them and questions that disagree with your interpretation of the scriptures or can you answer the questions that are asked of you that disagree with your understanding of the scriptures (1 John 2:3-4).

Now your just making things up again. None of those questions and the scriptures that support them are strawman arguments at all. You either have God's WORD for your belief or you do not. So which is it?

Where in God's WORD does it say that God's 4th Commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a HOLY DAY?

If you cannot show the scriptures then what makes Matthew 15:3-9 not applicable to you or the questions that are being asked of you?

Finally you quote Romans 14 yet you ignore all of post # 1983 above, neither do you respond to it and all the scriptures that disagree with you or the questions in the post.

The topic of Romans 14 is not the Sabbath is it food connected to days. There is no mention of the SABBATH in Romans 14 neither is it the topic of conversation.

As I said in the earlier post are you reading into the scriptures something that is not there? Where in Romans 14 does it say that it is talking about God's 4th Commandment? If you cannot prove your claim then you are reading into the scriptures something that is not there.

Seems like God's WORD does not agree with you.

Who should we BELIEVE the teachings and traditions of men or the WORD of GOD?

................

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

................

PS. You still have not answered any questions for your belief I have asked you from post # 1972 linked CLICK ME; or the scriptures that challenge you in post # 1983 linked CLICK ME.

You do not have to if you cannot maybe you should pray about them at home.

It seems like God's WORD disagrees with you. May God guide you as you seek him through his Word with an honest heart..

.

we won’t agree on much. Have a good day

listed · Apr 17, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Actually every scriptures in that link is NEW COVENANT and NEW TESTAMENT scriptures and links the OLD to the NEW. Did you really read the sciptures listed in that link. There are many that disagree with you. (the list is not exhaustive either).

Some NT Scriptures that disagree with you CLICK ME (linked)...

Look I read your post. The only NT passages you provide are those returning people to the OT for the basis of salvation. Basis for includes retaining. Your insistence is no one can have salvation without keeping the law. Salvation doesn't come by the law and the law can't remove salvation.

What you really mean is that I have to agree to keep the law as you try to prove upon reading your post. Yes if I believed momma and poppa I'd be a fool. Mom and Pop taught me right from wrong. They didn't teach me how to have a relationship with God. Momma also tries to tell me to be happy I have to be married. The problem is poppa says no. Who's right?

LoveGodsWord · Apr 17, 2018

Hello Marco70, nice to meet you and welcome here

Marco70 said:
Some, can only see the literal letter, they cannot understand the true message contained in that letter.

Indeed. Some do not know that it is the letter that points to walking in the Spirit of GRACE and that GRACE is for OBEDIENCE to the FAITH.

ROMANS 1:5, By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.

Romans 6:1-2, [1] What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. [2], How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Marco70 said:
Such people follow after the written code/law. The people who understand the message contained in the letter are guided and led into truth by the Holy Spirit. You either follow after the Holy Spirit into truth, or the written code, it cannot be both.

Indeed but some deceive themselves thinking they have God's Spirit but do not know him as none have the Spirit of God while breaking his Commandments.

ACTS 5:32 [32], And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to them that obey him.

1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And by this we know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4], He that says, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

PROVERBS 28:9 [28], He that turns away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

1 JOHN 3:4-8 [4], Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. [5], And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. [6], Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins has not seen him, neither known him. [7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. [8], He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Marco70 said:
But now, by dying to what once bound us we have been released from the law, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not the old way of the written code Rom 7:6

It is sin that we have been released from and that we are to die to not God's LAW. It is the LAW of God that gives us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is.

ROMANS 6:11 [11], Likewise reckon you also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

ROMANS 6:14 [14], For sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are not under the law, but under grace.

ROMANS 3:20 [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

NONE have God's Spirit while breaking his Commandments...

ACTS 5:32 [32], And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to them that obey him.

1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And by this we know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4], He that says, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Only those who walk in his Spirit can follow him who calls them in LOVE to LOVE another..

ROMANS 8:1-4 [1], There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. [2], For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. [3], For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: [4], That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Marco70 said:
Those who follow the written code/law, will berate, and attack those who follow after the Holy Spirit. For they cannot understand the truth, for only the Holy Spirit can lead into spiritual truth. They attack what they do not understand. You follow after the Holy Spirit, therefore, you will be attacked by those who follow the written code/law. It was this way 2,000 years ago, as it is today, for nothing has changed. God Bless.

All through time from GENESIS to REVELEATION God's people have always been persecuted because their message is to call men back from darkness to God, but many love darkenss rather then light because their deeds are evil.

JOHN 3:19-21 [19], And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. [20], For every one that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. [21], But he that does truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are worked in God.

Those who CONTINUE to practice KNOWN UNPREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

................

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

LoveGodsWord · Apr 17, 2018

Cribstyl said:
we won’t agree on much. Have a good day

No problem nice to chat with you. Maybe you can pray about it at home :wave:

LoveGodsWord · Apr 17, 2018

listed said:
LoveGodsWord said: ↑
Actually every scriptures in that link is NEW COVENANT and NEW TESTAMENT scriptures and links the OLD to the NEW. Did you really read the sciptures listed in that link. There are many that disagree with you. (the list is not exhaustive either).

Some NT Scriptures that disagree with you CLICK ME (linked)...

Click to expand...

Look I read your post. The only NT passages you provide are those returning people to the OT for the basis of salvation.

All those scriptures that disagree with you are in relation to the NEW COVEANANT and are NEW TESTAMENT scriptures with a few references to where some of those scriptures have come from in the OLD TESTAMENT.

NT Scriptures that disagree with you CLICK ME (linked)

listed said:
Your insistence is no one can have salvation without keeping the law. Salvation doesn't come by the law and the law can't remove salvation.

Not at all. We are ONLY saved by GRACE through FAITH and NOT of ourselves it is a GIFT of GOD and NOT of WORKS lest any man should boast (Eph 2:8).

Many do not know why God has given us GRACE and FAITH.

WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

ROMANS 1:5, By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.

ROMANS 6:1-2, [1] What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. [2], How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

DOES FAITH ABOLISH GOD'S LAW?

ROMANS 3:31 [31], Do we then ABOLISH THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

If your FAITH does not have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE then you are still in your SINS because you have rejected God's he GIFT of God's dear son (James 2:18; 20; 26; James 2:8-12). If your tree has no FRUIT then it will be cast down and thrown into the fire (Matt 7:12-23; Hebrews 10:26-27).

SIN is the transgression of God's LAW (1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7; 3:20; James 2:8-12). Those wos CONTINUE IN KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT ENTER the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THOSE WHO CONTINUE IN SIN ONCE THEY RECEIVE A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH?

HEBREWS 10:26-27 [26], For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins, [27], But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

HOW DO YOU KNOW IF YOU KNOW GOD?

1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4], He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 JOHN 3:3-10 [3], And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
[4], Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
[5], And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
[6], Whoever stays in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.
[7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. [8], He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose, the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
[9], Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. [10], In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

WHO ARE GOD'S PEOPLE?

REVELATION 12:17, And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ

REVELATION 14:12, Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

WHO ARE THOSE THAT RECEIVE ETERNAL LIFE?

REVELATION22:14, Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

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HOW CAN WE KNOW GOD AND BE SAVED?

JOHN 3:5-7 [5], Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. [6], That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. [7], Marvel not that I said to you, You must be born again.

1 JOHN 3:9 [9], Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him <the seed is the WORD; Luke 8:11>: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

ACTS 17:30-31 [30], And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commands all men every where to repent: [31], Because he has appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he has ordained; whereof he has given assurance to all men, in that he has raised him from the dead.

1 JOHN 1:9 [9] 9, If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

BELIEVE God's WORD..

JOHN 1:1;14 [1], In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [14], And the Word was made flesh, and dwelled among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

JOHN 3:16 [16], For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him <the Word> should not perish, but have everlasting life.

JOHN 8:31-36 [31],Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If you continue in my word, then are you my disciples indeed; [32], And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. [33], They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how say you, You shall be made free? [34], Jesus answered them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Whoever commits sin is the servant of sin. [35], And the servant stays not in the house for ever: but the Son stays ever. [36], If the Son therefore shall make you free, you shall be free indeed.

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

Dig4truth · Apr 17, 2018

What is so new about the New Covenant?

This is a short 3 min. video:

This is a little longer, 30 min., and in depth but a great teaching!

listed · Apr 18, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Hello Marco70, nice to meet you and welcome here

Indeed. Some do not know that it is the letter that points to walking in the Spirit of GRACE and that GRACE is for OBEDIENCE to the FAITH.

ROMANS 1:5, By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.

Obedience to the faith yes, just like your verse says. It doesn't mention obedience to the law.

Romans 6:1-2, [1] What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. [2], How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Nothing here about the law. Since you don't keep the law and continue in sin you need grace to abound exactly opposite of what Paul says. Grace isn't provided so we can sin. Grace isn't provided so we can keep the law. Grace isn't the ability to keep the law.

Indeed but some deceive themselves thinking they have God's Spirit but do not know him as none have the Spirit of God while breaking his Commandments.

Having God's Spirit has nothing to do with keeping the law covenant given to Israel at Sinai. It does have something to do with submitting to Jesus and or the NC.

ACTS 5:32 [32], And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to them that obey him.

Can you prove Cornelius or the Philippian jailer kept the law? Peter testifies Cornelius and company received the Spirit just like he did. Cornelius and the Philippian jailer are clearly a gentiles meaning not members of Israel keeping the law.

1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And by this we know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4], He that says, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

You ignore 1 John 3:23 which is in the same letter. You also ignore John 15:10. You also ignore Luke 16:16. You also ignore Galatians 3:19 and more.

PROVERBS 28:9 [28], He that turns away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

John 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.

3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.

5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.

7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.

13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.

Please rebut verse 8.

1 JOHN 3:4-8 [4], Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. [5], And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. [6], Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins has not seen him, neither known him. [7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. [8], He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

The "Him" isn't the law. Living in or by the law essentially means the same thing. That same thing is being ruled by the law instead of the Spirit.

What you're really saying with He that commits sin is of the devil is those who don't keep the law have no salvation. Since you demand others to keep the law and you don't you're freely admitting your of the devil because you willfully transgress (sin, violate) the law. back firing is an undesirable problem all mechanics seek to stop. Also people don't like it. It causes performance problems. It also will causes failure by damage if not corrected.

It is sin that we have been released from and that we are to die to not God's LAW. It is the LAW of God that gives us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is.

No one is released from either by compliance to the law.

ROMANS 6:11 [11], Likewise reckon you also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

But you promote alive through keeping the law. No where in your general posting do you promote Jesus for salvation. You do give lip service to Jesus and about Jesus and always return to the law.

ROMANS 6:14 [14], For sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are not under the law, but under grace.

ROMANS 3:20 [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

NONE have God's Spirit while breaking his Commandments...

This statement is an anti-thesis to your quoted verse. This is known as double speak and sophistry.

ACTS 5:32 [32], And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to them that obey him.

1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And by this we know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4], He that says, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

You just keep talking about yourself while you think you're condemning others through the Scripture.

Only those who walk in his Spirit can follow him who calls them in LOVE to LOVE another..

ROMANS 8:1-4 [1], There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. [2], For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. [3], For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: [4], That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

But you continually condemn others who don't keep the law. Some here walk after the Spirit and aren't condemned as you try to do.

All through time from GENESIS to REVELEATION God's people have always been persecuted because their message is to call men back from darkness to God, but many love darkenss rather then light because their deeds are evil.

Here again you refer all who don't keep the law covenant as lovers of darkness. Christians aren't under that covenant. By your statement above I must consider your deeds evil.

JOHN 3:19-21 [19], And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. [20], For every one that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. [21], But he that does truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are worked in God.

Nothing here accept more attempted condemnation of people who don't worship on Saturday (keep the law).

Those who CONTINUE to practice KNOWN UNPREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

More self condemnation while trying to do that to others. You're evangelizing Christians. The rest of your post has been repeatedly deal with and deleted.

listed · Apr 18, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Hello Marco70, nice to meet you and welcome here

Indeed. Some do not know that it is the letter that points to walking in the Spirit of GRACE and that GRACE is for OBEDIENCE to the FAITH.

ROMANS 1:5, By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.

Obedience to the faith yes, just like your verse says. It doesn't mention obedience to the law.

Romans 6:1-2, [1] What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. [2], How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Nothing here about the law. Since you don't keep the law and continue in sin you need grace to abound exactly opposite of what Paul says. Grace isn't provided so we can sin. Grace isn't provided so we can keep the law. Grace isn't the ability to keep the law.

Indeed but some deceive themselves thinking they have God's Spirit but do not know him as none have the Spirit of God while breaking his Commandments.

Having God's Spirit has nothing to do with keeping the law covenant given to Israel at Sinai. It does have something to do with submitting to Jesus and or the NC.

ACTS 5:32 [32], And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to them that obey him.

Can you prove Cornelius or the Philippian jailer kept the law? Peter testifies Cornelius and company received the Spirit just like he did. Cornelius and the Philippian jailer are clearly a gentiles meaning not members of Israel keeping the law.

1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And by this we know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4], He that says, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

You ignore 1 John 3:23 which is in the same letter. You also ignore John 15:10. You also ignore Luke 16:16. You also ignore Galatians 3:19 and more.

PROVERBS 28:9 [28], He that turns away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

John 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.

3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.

5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.

7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.

13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.

Please rebut verse 8.

1 JOHN 3:4-8 [4], Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. [5], And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. [6], Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins has not seen him, neither known him. [7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. [8], He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

The "Him" isn't the law. Living in or by the law essentially means the same thing. That same thing is being ruled by the law instead of the Spirit.

What you're really saying with He that commits sin is of the devil is those who don't keep the law have no salvation. Since you demand others to keep the law and you don't you're freely admitting your of the devil because you willfully transgress (sin, violate) the law. back firing is an undesirable problem all mechanics seek to stop. Also people don't like it. It causes performance problems. It also will causes failure by damage if not corrected.

It is sin that we have been released from and that we are to die to not God's LAW. It is the LAW of God that gives us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is.

No one is released from either by compliance to the law.

ROMANS 6:11 [11], Likewise reckon you also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

But you promote alive through keeping the law. No where in your general posting do you promote Jesus for salvation. You do give lip service to Jesus and about Jesus and always return to the law.

ROMANS 6:14 [14], For sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are not under the law, but under grace.

ROMANS 3:20 [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

NONE have God's Spirit while breaking his Commandments...

This statement is an anti-thesis to your quoted verse. This is known as double speak and sophistry.

ACTS 5:32 [32], And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to them that obey him.

1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And by this we know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4], He that says, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

You just keep talking about yourself while you think you're condemning others through the Scripture.

Only those who walk in his Spirit can follow him who calls them in LOVE to LOVE another..

ROMANS 8:1-4 [1], There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. [2], For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. [3], For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: [4], That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

But you continually condemn others who don't keep the law. Some here walk after the Spirit and aren't condemned as you try to do.

All through time from GENESIS to REVELEATION God's people have always been persecuted because their message is to call men back from darkness to God, but many love darkenss rather then light because their deeds are evil.

Here again you refer all who don't keep the law covenant as lovers of darkness. Christians aren't under that covenant. By your statement above I must consider your deeds evil.

JOHN 3:19-21 [19], And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. [20], For every one that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. [21], But he that does truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are worked in God.

Nothing here accept more attempted condemnation of people who don't worship on Saturday (keep the law).

Those who CONTINUE to practice KNOWN UNPREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

More self condemnation while trying to do that to others. You're evangelizing Christians. The rest of your post has been repeatedly deal with and deleted.

listed · Apr 18, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
All those scriptures that disagree with you are in relation to the NEW COVEANANT and are NEW TESTAMENT scriptures with a few references to where some of those scriptures have come from in the OLD TESTAMENT.

No they're not.

LoveGodsWord · Apr 18, 2018

Hi listed nice to see you again.

You seem to have made a double post so I will just reply to one of them here with God's WORD.

listed said:
LoveGodsWord said: ↑
Hello Marco70, nice to meet you and welcome here

Indeed. Some do not know that it is the letter that points to walking in the Spirit of GRACE and that GRACE is for OBEDIENCE to the FAITH. ROMANS 1:5, By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.

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Obedience to the faith yes, just like your verse says. It doesn't mention obedience to the law.

Of course it does God's Word (the Faith) includes God's 10 Commandments as the KNOWLEDGE of SIN (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7; James 2:8-12; Romans 13:10-12; Matthew 5:17-19; Too many... more NT Scriptures CLICK ME - linked)

listed said:
LoveGodsWord said: ↑Romans 6:1-2, [1] What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. [2], How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

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Nothing here about the law. Since you don't keep the law and continue in sin you need grace to abound exactly opposite of what Paul says. Grace isn't provided so we can sin. Grace isn't provided so we can keep the law. Grace isn't the ability to keep the law.

You do know that you are posting against God's WORD? That is God's WORD from Romans 6:1-2 not my words. It is all about God's LAW because SIN is breaking God's LAW and the scripture is telling you not to do it.

WHAT IS SIN?

JAMES 2:8-11
[8], If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
[9], But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
[10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
[11] For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW

James is pretty clear if we brake ANY of God's Law (10 commandments) then we are a TRANSGRESSOR of God's LAW

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1 JOHN 3:4 [4] Whosoever commits SIN transgresses also the law: for SIN is the transgression of the law.

John is in agreement with James and states that if we TRANSGRESS God's LAW then we commit SIN because SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW. So it is very clear that SIN is breaking ANY of God's LAW (10 commandments)

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ROMANS 7:7 [7], What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known SIN, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Well here we have Paul in agreement with James and John also telling us that SIN is breaking God's commandments and uses the 10th commandment as an example of breaking any of God's LAW (10 commandments) = SIN (Exodus 20:17)

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ROMANS 3:20 [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.

Once again Paul is in agreement with John and James which all agree together that if we break any of God's LAW (10 commandments) we commit SIN because as James, John and Paul all agree together that SIN is breaking ANY of God's 10 commandments.

God's Word is in disagreement with you my friend. SIN is the transgression of God's LAW (10 commandments)

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

listed said:
Having God's Spirit has nothing to do with keeping the law covenant given to Israel at Sinai.

If you are no a part of God's ISRAEL you are not a part of the NEW COVENANT (Hebrews 8:10-12). Gentiles are now grafted in (Romans 11:16:26). God's WORD says those who break God's Commandments do not KNOW God and are lying; neither do they have his Spirit (1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:3-10; James 2:8-12; Acts 5:32)

listed said:
Can you prove Cornelius or the Philippian jailer kept the law? Peter testifies Cornelius and company received the Spirit just like he did.

It is not about keeping the law it is about BELIEVING God's WORD and FOLLOWING it. God's WORD says to REPENT (Acts 2:38; 3:19; 8:22; 26:20), CONFESS your SINS (Ps 32:5; 1 John 1:9), BELIEVE GOD'S WORD (John 3:16; Romans 1:16; Mark 1:15; Mark 9:23; 11:24)
and to FOLLOW (Luke 9:23) by continuing in God's WORD (John 8:31). No one is BELIEVING God's WORD if they are not FOLLOWING God's WORD (James 2:18; 20; 26; Hebrews 10:262-7; Habrews 6:4-8).

God's WORD says those who break God's Commandments do not KNOW God and are lying; neither do they have his Spirit (1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:3-10; James 2:8-12; Acts 5:32)

Seems like God's WORD disagrees with you.

listed said:
LoveGodsWord said: ↑
1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And by this we know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4], He that says, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

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You ignore 1 John 3:23 which is in the same letter. You also ignore John 15:10. You also ignore Luke 16:16. You also ignore Galatians 3:19 and more.

You do know that you are trying to quote against scripture? 1 JOHN 2:3-4 are God's WORDS not my words. I do not ignore any of the scriptures you quote but what you are not considering is CONTEXT for example you quote 1 John 3:23 against 1 John 2:3-4 when the CONTEXT of 1 John 3:23 is supporting what is written in 1 John 2:3-4 which is only those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD are his Children. Those who SIN <break God's Commandmetns> do not KNOW God and are the children of the devil (1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:6-10) .

Now that we know what SIN is (see previous section WHAT IS SIN?), let's look at the CONTEXT you leave out by trying to quote 1 John 3:23 againts 1 John 2:3-4 in 1 John 3:3-15...

CONTEXT OF 1 JOHN 3:23

1 JOHN 3:3-15
[3], And every man that hath this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
[4], Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW.
[5], And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
[6], Whosoever abides in him SIN<breaks God's LAW> not: whosoever SIN<breaks God's LAW> hath not seen him, neither known him.
[7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous <Psalms 119:172 All your commandments = RIGHTEOUSNESS>.
[8], He that commits SIN <breaks God's LAW> is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
[9], Whosoever is born of God DOES NOT commit SIN<breaks God's LAW>; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot SIN<breaks God's LAW>, because he is born of God.
[10], In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.
[11], For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
[12], Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
[13], Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
[14], We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loves not his brother abides in death.
[15], Whosoever hates his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

Some key points..........

v4. SIN = Breaking God's Commandments
v6. Those who knowingly break God's commandments do not know God
v7. Don't be DECEIVED only those who DO NOT break God's commandments are is RIGHTEOUS as HE IS RIGHTEOUS
v8. If you are living in a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN you are following the DEVIL and not GOD (Acts 17:30-31; Heb 10:26:27)
v9. If you are BORN OF GOD you will NOT practice SIN
v10. LOVE AND OBEDIENCE to GOD'S LAW SHOW WHO ARE GOD'S PEOPLE and DISOBEDIENCE TO GOD'S LAW SHOW THE CHILDREN OF THE DEVIL
v15. Example of the 7th commandment (Exodus 20: 13) being broken. Those who brake God's LAW and SIN DO NOT have ETERNAL LIFE

Links to what Jesus says in Matthew..............

Matthew 7
21, Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; BUT HE THE DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER IN HEAVEN <FAITH THAT WORKS BY Love and OBEDIENCE>
22, Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23, And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU <1 John 3:6 = has not seen him or known him because they break God's LAW and practice SIN>: DEPART FROM ME YOU WHO WORK INIQUITY (SIN)

CONCLUSION: 1 JOHN 3:23 is summarising the CONTEXT from 1 JOHN 3:3-15 which is ONLY those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD by NOT breaking his Commandments are God's CHILDREN by FAITH. Those who break God's LAW are NOT his children; they do not KNOW God and are the children of the devil. To BELIEVE on the name of Jesus means to BELIEVE the Word of GOD is your saviour (John 1:1-2; 14; Matthew 1:21). If your FAITH does not have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE then your faith is dead and will not save you (James 2:18; 20; 26) and your tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire (Matthew 7:12-26)

listed said:
John 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.
7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.

Please rebut verse 8.

Why would I need to rebutt v8? It is God's WORD and I believe it. What about you?

listed said:
LoveGodsWord said: ↑ 1 JOHN 3:4-8 [4], Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. [5], And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. [6], Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins has not seen him, neither known him. [7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. [8], He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil

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The "Him" isn't the law.

Indeed it is Jesus who is the WORD of GOD (John 1:1-3; 14). If you abide by FAITH in God's WORD you will not commit sin (break God's commandments) * 1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; JOHN 8:31-36

listed said:
Living in or by the law essentially means the same thing. That same thing is being ruled by the law instead of the Spirit.

No one is telling you to live by the LAW. We are to live by FAITH which establishes God's LAW in the life of the BELIEVER. We are all sinners and in need of salvation.

ROMANS 3:31 [31], Do we then make void the law through faith? GOD FORBID: YEA, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

listed said:
What you're really saying with He that commits sin is of the devil is those who don't keep the law have no salvation.

Not at all. It is God's WORD not mine. Those who continue in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

JOHN 3:3-5 [3], Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. [4], Nicodemus said unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? [5], Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

1 JOHN 3:9-10 [9], Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. [10], In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

HEBREWS 10:26-27 [26], For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins, [27], But a certain fearful expectation of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

listed said:
LoveGodsWord said: ↑ ROMANS 6:11 [11], Likewise reckon you also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

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But you promote alive through keeping the law. No where in your general posting do you promote Jesus for salvation. You do give lip service to Jesus and about Jesus and always return to the law.

Well that is not true. I have never promoted alive means keeping the law the way you mean it. All things are possible however to those who have FAITH in God's WORD. All through my posts is Jesus because Jesus is the living WORD of GOD we are to BELEIVE and FOLLOW. None are BELIEVING Jesus if they are not following him neither do they know HIM (Matthew 11:28; James 2:18; 20; 26; 1 John 2:3-4)

listed said:
LoveGodsWord said: ↑ ROMANS 6:14 [14], For sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are not under the law, but under grace. ROMANS 3:20 [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

NONE have God's Spirit while breaking his Commandments...

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This statement is an anti-thesis to your quoted verse. This is known as double speak and sophistry.

Not at all it is God's WORD and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that seek to break the commandments of God and teach others to do so.

listed said:
LoveGodsWord said: ↑ ACTS 5:32 [32], And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to them that obey him.

1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And by this we know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4], He that says, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

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You just keep talking about yourself while you think you're condemning others through the Scripture.

Not at all. These are God's WORD's not mine. If you feel condemned by the scriptures then praise God. Do not harden your heart to the Word of God and his Spirit. Seek him who calls you to BELIEVE and FOLLOW him.

listed said:
LoveGodsWord said: ↑ Only those who walk in his Spirit can follow him who calls them in LOVE to LOVE another..

ROMANS 8:1-4 [1], There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. [2], For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. [3], For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: [4], That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

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But you continually condemn others who don't keep the law. Some here walk after the Spirit and aren't condemned as you try to do.

None have God's Spirit while breaking his Commandments (1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:3-10; Acys 5:32; Hebrews 10:26-27). The scriptures quoted above are God's WORD's not mine. If you feel condemned by the scriptures then praise God. Do not harden your heart to the Word of God and his Spirit. Seek him who calls you to BELIEVE and FOLLOW him.

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

LoveGodsWord · Apr 18, 2018

listed said:
LoveGodsWord said: ↑
All those scriptures that disagree with you are in relation to the NEW COVEANANT and are NEW TESTAMENT scriptures with a few references to where some of those scriptures have come from in the OLD TESTAMENT.

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No they're not.

Yes they are

Here they are again for all to see.

NT Scriptures that disagree with you CLICK ME (linked)

Looks like God's WORD disagrees with you. Only God's WORD is true and we should beleive and follow it.

Bob S · Apr 18, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Now your just making things up again. None of those questions and the scriptures that support them are strawman arguments at all. You either have God's WORD for your belief or you do not. So which is it?

Why don't you get brave and tell us we are lying. You make these statements in most of your posts. They are only words that try to make others seem uneducated and you are supreme. Problem is you never address what is untrue with the truth. Your long drawn out posts prove nothing. You never seem to get it.

Where in God's WORD does it say that God's 4th Commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a HOLY DAY?

Samo, samo. Give you the scripture and all you come up with is "now that is not true Bob". Well I will give you the scripture again for good measure.

7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

Paul is writing all about the 10 commandments using past tense. He boldly tell us the the 10 commandments were transitory (temporary). The last time you tried to wiggle out of the truth found in these verses you tried to tell me transitory meant transfer. Transfer the 10 from old cold stone into the heart. Of course you wouldn't admit "Now your just making things up again."

listed · Apr 19, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Hi listed nice to see you again.

You seem to have made a double post so I will just reply to one of them here with God's WORD.

That happens sometimes because this site malfunctions. I'm not quite sure why.

Of course it does God's Word (the Faith) includes God's 10 Commandments as the KNOWLEDGE of SIN (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7; James 2:8-12; Romans 13:10-12; Matthew 5:17-19; Too many... more NT Scriptures CLICK ME - linked)

Yes not keeping God's commands is indeed sin. However, not keeping the law given to Israel at Sinai isn't sin. Your focus is that it is. That covenant has been revoked primarily for non compliance by Israel. It has been replaced by a new covenant. Notice I didn't a renewed covenant as you promote against the Scripture. All the related passages have been posted and rejected by one means or another. For me the short course is flat out refusal to believe.

Not a single one of the passages you referenced above say to or imply any requirement to keep the law. Matthew 5:17-19 is explained with Luke 24:44 and doesn't include anything else. Verse 19 says something about commandments and you promote the idea Jesus is teaching and requiring them to be kept. That simply isn't so because Jesus says "but I say..." This isn't an explanation but a flat out disagreement and change. What Jesus says after those words aren't part of the law. Jesus also says in John 5:39: Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

You really need to read the whole discussion of chapter 5 to understand. I'm implying much more than just the 2 verses. Never-the-less it still stands the law only and always brings death because no one is compliant as the Psalms say. Yes the NT also says the same thing.

Your referenced passages are misapplied to promote obligation to the law.

You do know that you are posting against God's WORD? That is God's WORD from Romans 6:1-2 not my words. It is all about God's LAW because SIN is breaking God's LAW and the scripture is telling you not to do it.

I could respond as you do here about false accusation. It would do no good. This isn't a personal self justification fight for me. I'm dead to both sin and the law as Romans 6 and 7 prove. No one can break a law no longer in force. We have a "new covenant" based on promises not performance (Hebrews 8).

WHAT IS SIN?

JAMES 2:8-11
[8], If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
[9], But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
[10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
[11] For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW

James is pretty clear if we brake ANY of God's Law (10 commandments) then we are a TRANSGRESSOR of God's LAW

No because I 'm a gentile and that law was given exclusively to Israel and has even been repealed for them. You refuse to believe anything from the both testaments proving that.

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1 JOHN 3:4 [4] Whosoever commits SIN transgresses also the law: for SIN is the transgression of the law.

The verse clearly says "also," not "only." Your rendition violates Romans 5:13 and Galatians 3:19.

John is in agreement with James and states that if we TRANSGRESS God's LAW then we commit SIN because SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW. So it is very clear that SIN is breaking ANY of God's LAW (10 commandments)

John no where promotes keeping the law. In this respect John doesn't agree with James as you try to say. James doesn't promote keeping the law either. The works James talks about aren't works of the law. Read the chapter.

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ROMANS 7:7 [7], What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known SIN, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Well here we have Paul in agreement with James and John also telling us that SIN is breaking God's commandments and uses the 10th commandment as an example of breaking any of God's LAW (10 commandments) = SIN (Exodus 20:17)

Paul doesn't say keep the law. Paul says very clearly we're free from the law in the same chapter with a direct statement in verse 6. The first few verses of the chapter indicate the law is dead and the wife is no longer under the law. You will construe this to be about temporal marriage. It simply isn't especially when the context of chapters 6-8 are considered. I'm overtime once again and have to go.

Cribstyl · Apr 19, 2018

Bob S said:
Why don't you get brave and tell us we are lying. You make these statements in most of your posts. They are only words that try to make others seem uneducated and you are supreme. Problem is you never address what is untrue with the truth. Your long drawn out posts prove nothing. You never seem to get it.

Samo, samo. Give you the scripture and all you come up with is "now that is not true Bob". Well I will give you the scripture again for good measure.

7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

Paul is writing all about the 10 commandments using past tense. He boldly tell us the the 10 commandments were transitory (temporary). The last time you tried to wiggle out of the truth found in these verses you tried to tell me transitory meant transfer. Transfer the 10 from old cold stone into the heart. Of course you wouldn't admit "Now your just making things up again."

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Cribstyl · Apr 19, 2018

listed said:
That happens sometimes because this site malfunctions. I'm not quite sure why.Yes not keeping God's commands is indeed sin. However, not keeping the law given to Israel at Sinai isn't sin. Your focus is that it is. That covenant has been revoked primarily for non compliance by Israel. It has been replaced by a new covenant. Notice I didn't a renewed covenant as you promote against the Scripture. All the related passages have been posted and rejected by one means or another. For me the short course is flat out refusal to believe.

Not a single one of the passages you referenced above say to or imply any requirement to keep the law. Matthew 5:17-19 is explained with Luke 24:44 and doesn't include anything else. Verse 19 says something about commandments and you promote the idea Jesus is teaching and requiring them to be kept. That simply isn't so because Jesus says "but I say..." This isn't an explanation but a flat out disagreement and change. What Jesus says after those words aren't part of the law. Jesus also says in John 5:39: Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

You really need to read the whole discussion of chapter 5 to understand. I'm implying much more than just the 2 verses. Never-the-less it still stands the law only and always brings death because no one is compliant as the Psalms say. Yes the NT also says the same thing.

Your referenced passages are misapplied to promote obligation to the law.I could respond as you do here about false accusation. It would do no good. This isn't a personal self justification fight for me. I'm dead to both sin and the law as Romans 6 and 7 prove. No one can break a law no longer in force. We have a "new covenant" based on promises not performance (Hebrews 8). No because I 'm a gentile and that law was given exclusively to Israel and has even been repealed for them. You refuse to believe anything from the both testaments proving that. The verse clearly says "also," not "only." Your rendition violates Romans 5:13 and Galatians 3:19.John no where promotes keeping the law. In this respect John doesn't agree with James as you try to say. James doesn't promote keeping the law either. The works James talks about aren't works of the law. Read the chapter.Paul doesn't say keep the law. Paul says very clearly we're free from the law in the same chapter with a direct statement in verse 6. The first few verses of the chapter indicate the law is dead and the wife is no longer under the law. You will construe this to be about temporal marriage. It simply isn't especially when the context of chapters 6-8 are considered. I'm overtime once again and have to go.

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