The "holy place" Abomination of Desolation

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Exacty. But John in the gospel of John contains what Jesus said witnessed by John years earlier. What John told them in 1 John (probably to Christians at Ephesus) is what Jesus talked about years before and written down in John 5. You can set John 5 side to side with 1John - and the relationship is obvious.

Years back, I noticed the connection when I read through the preceding verses in John 5 that precede the John 5:43 verse which is commonly used to support the concept of an Antichrist person coming.

1. The another the Jews would accept instead of him as their King of Israel. John 5:43

2. The relation between the Father and Son - that to deny is antichrist in nature, John 5:23-25

3. Denial that Christ came in the flesh - that is antichrist is nature, John 5:37-38
As I said earlier, Christ's hostile audience would have been ecstatic if they believed that He was pre-announcing someone who would be opposing Him.

I concur that there are similarities in Christ's descriptions in John's gospel and those in John's epistle. But both are referring to a class of individuals whose (dis)beliefs and behaviors identified them as antichrists -- of which there were many.

Doubtless Christ was also referring to the following, who Scripture and history confirm appeared in the period leading up to 70 AD:

Matthew 24:5
For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
 
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The base issue Eloy is that jgr and others sharing his view have a theology taken basically from what the reformers advanced in their day was that the Pope/Papacy was the Antichrist.

It was the predominant antichrist of the Reformation period. But the Reformers were also familiar with John's epistles. None of them believed that the papacy was the one and only antichrist of all time. They were well aware that there were many antichrists (1 John 2:18).

And going with Reform theology is the notion that the Church has become Israel.

The Church as Israel has been historical true Christian Church doctrine from the beginning, well over 1,000 years before the Reformation:
Justin Martyr (ca. 140 AD): “(Christians) are the true Israelite race, the spiritual one, that of Judah and Jacob and Abraham” (Dialogue with Trypho).

That's what going on why jgr cannot accept the reality of Israel's existence

Neither you nor anyone else has yet explained how to distinguish Israel, given that Abraham's DNA is in all of us. Nor have you yet conceded that the Jewish community itself acknowledges and in fact embraces this (the links below all originate from Jewish sources).

Abraham lineage

DNA Tests Could Fulfill God’s Promise to Abraham by Revealing Millions of Jews. But How Jewish is Jewish Enough?

Israel in all of Us? Research finds 'Jewish genes' in unusual places

The only Israel that God recognizes are those who are in Christ (Romans 2:28,29; Galatians 3:28,29). Ethnicity is, and always has been, irrelevant.
 
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I have a friend who asked me the same question, once; how is it that the abomination of desolation can defile something which isn't holy. I'll review some things so we can get ourselves into a better position to understand this:

When the temple was destroyed in 70AD, God was cutting the Jews off not only from their land but also their religion. The genealogies were lost so no one knows who is who any longer.

To understand what Matthew is saying we to see what Daniel says, since Jesus is drawing from Daniels prophecy:

Daniel 9:27

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate

In the middle of the tribulation the Antichrist is going to cause the sacrifices to cease. Without a 3rd temple, how would this make any sense? We see from scripture that at this time the Jews are sacrificing and that there is a holy place; isn't that enough information to verify there will be a temple? We have to face the facts about what the text is saying first. We don't understand how the Antichrist could defile a holy place that isn't holy, but we have to admit the text leads us to conclude there will be a 3rd temple with a so-called holy place. How that works I don't know.

I know there is no other way to be saved except through Jesus Christ. I also don't believe the Jews are going to avail anything with God by building another temple because I think they are doing it without His instruction or permission. If anything it will make Him angry. They are just going forward assuming that God is still onboard.

To conclude, I believe that we have to acknowledge there is a third temple before we try to unravel the rest of it. We believe a third temple may logically contradict what we know, but our ignorance can't change what scripture says anyhow.

Here is a very interesting link regarding the Messiah and the destruction of the 2nd temple:

Four Startling Facts About the Identity of the Messiah - Jews for Jesus

What you describe is indeed one of the central problems of the '7 year covenant' & and abomination of desolation in the 'middle of 7 years' point of view (which imo is incorrect and promoted because it is incorrect).

the text itself says:
24 “Seventy '7's [can be read as '77' years, 490 years, 490 days]
are decreed about your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal both vision and prophet, and to anoint a most holy place.

[most holy place is the 'holy of holies' Holy of Holies - Wikipedia
if it takes '70 '7's' to anoint a 'most holy place', how does the abomination of desolation even happen within Daniel's so-called '70th week'?

If the 'antichrist defiles the temple in the middle of 7 years', he isn't defiling a temple of God - because it takes 'all of Daniel's 70 '7's, all of the 70th week, final 7 years to anoint the temple that is going to be defiled!

no one in the '70th week' camp can offer up a rebuttal of this (but I hope they try! Please someone answer this question!

Clearly, the answer is: there is no '7 year covenant that is broken in the middle of 7 years.' The 'great tribulation' is not the '2nd half of 7 years. Just as simple as that.

the solution is that it is literally 70 weeks. Starting at the 70th anniversary of Israel/ Jerusalem's desolation. 69 weeks to get a messiah. 70 weeks to anoint a most holy place. Then the covenant is made and broken in the middle of 1 week/ after 3.5 days. Great tribulation starts and ends 45 days later. Then the Trumpets start

Daniel 9's prayer says that it starts at the end of 70 years of desolations of Jerusalem.

1 In the first year of Darius the son of Ahasuerus, by descent a Mede, who was made king over the realm of the Chaldeans— 2 in the first year of his reign, I, Daniel, perceived in the books the number of years that, according to the word of the Lord to Jeremiah the prophet, must pass before the end of the desolations of Jerusalem, namely, seventy years.
The modern state of Israel was started on May 14, 1948 / 5 Iyyar, 5708. 70 years later is 5 Iyyar, 5778 (our April 20, 2018). This is '70 years of the desolations of Jerusalem'.

24 “Seventy 'weeks' (*** also '77' **) are decreed about your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal both vision and prophet, and to anoint a most holy place.
[Here, the 77 meaning finishes out the transgressions, ending at the 77th anniversary of Jerusalem, Israel on May 13, 2025 (77 solar years).
The 2nd meaning is also '70 weeks'/ literally 490 days.]

25 Know therefore and understand that from the going out of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time.
[Start at the 70th anniversary, April 20, 2018 and add 7 weeks: June 8, 2018. 1st Seal's white horseman]

[Add 62 weeks to June 8, 2018 to get to the 69th week where there is someone that is 'anointed' : August 16, 2019. = Death & Hades given dominion at the 4th Seal.]
26 And after sixty-two weeks (***translations generally put a 'the' before the '62 weeks', but in the original Hebrew there is no preposition 'the' there), an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing.
[Add another 62 weeks here, for the date of someone being 'cut off' (has the meaning of being 'covenanted' or 'killed'.] this takes us to October 23, 2020. this could be the very date that the 'antichrist' receives his mortal head wound.]
And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed.
[These events take us to the end of 70 weeks where a desolation is decreed. To finish out the 8 more weeks past Oct 23, 2020 takes us to the end of 70 weeks on Dec 18, 2020. All in all, we have gone 69 weeks, then another 70 weeks.]
27 And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and in the middle of the 'seven' he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering.
[At the end of the 70 weeks ending on Dec 18, 2020, the prince/ ruler to come makes a covenant and breaks it in the middle of 1 week, literally the middle of 7 days. Again, he places the abomination of desolation 3.5 days after Dec 18, 2020 which would be dusk Dec 21, 2020, which is when Prince William will turn 38.5 years old (the 'middle of 77 years' = 38.5). Dec 21, 2020 is the start of the 1335 days of Daniel 12:13. ]
And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.”
So, whereas most people assume that the 42 months of the beast from the sea = the abomination of desolation showing up in 'middle of 7 years', it is more likely that the 'middle of the 'week' means a literal week that started on Dec 18, 2020:

  • starting at the 70th anniversary of Jerusalem, Israel (April 20, 2018)
  • + 7 weeks (June 8, 2018) arrival of an anointed one, a 'prince' (seems to be Prince William)
  • + 62 weeks (Aug 16, 2019) (69th week to anoint the messiah/ 7th head of Satan)
  • + 62 weeks (Oct 23, 2020) (an anointed one is cut off, possibly the date of the mortal head wound of the worthless shepherd)
  • + 8 weeks (the end of 70 weeks) (Dec 18, 2020)
  • + 1 week, this last 1 week being broken in the middle thereof that starts the 1335 days of the abomination of desolation, finished by 70 weeks/ 490 days. Dec 21, 2020 is this start of the abomination of desolation. (Prince William turns 38.5 years old, the 'middle of 77 years'
  • 45 + 1290 days take us to Aug 17, 2024
  • Aug 17, 2024 add 70 weeks to finish the transgression to get to Dec 13, 2025 (69th week) / Dec 20, 2025 (70th week)
  • 77 solar years from May 14, 1948 to May 13, 2025
  • May 13, 2025 to Dec 13, 2025 is the 7 months of clean-up of Gog corpses (Ezekiel 39:12)
  • from Dec 21, 2020 add 45 days to get to the beginning of the Trumpets (Trumpets 1-4) and the start of the 5 months of the 5th Trumpet (Feb 4, 2021)
  • immediately after the 'tribulation of those days' is the 'sign of the son of man in heaven' on Feb 11, 2021
  • 5 months after Feb 4, 2021 we get to either July 2, 2021 (5 Bible months) or July 4, 2021 (5 Gregorian calendar months). July 4, 2021 breaks the Declaration of Independence covenant in the middle of 70 '7's / middle of 490 years / 245 years after July 4, 1776.
  • + 1260 days to July 2, 2021 to get to Dec 13, 2024 (time of the 2 witnesses/ 2nd woe). Dec 13, 2024 to Dec 13, 2025 is the 'year of recompense' where the bowls of wrath are poured out and the battle of Armageddon/ Gog (6th bowl war) ends at May 13, 2025
  • May 13, 2025 to Dec 13, 2025 is the 7 months of clean-up of Gog corpses (Ezekiel 39:12)
  • dusk Dec 13, 2025 is the start of Hanukah
 
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no one in the '70th week' camp can offer up a rebuttal of this (but I hope they try! Please someone answer this question!

if it takes '70 '7's' to anoint a 'most holy place', how does the abomination of desolation even happen within Daniel's so-called '70th week'?


If the 'antichrist defiles the temple in the middle of 7 years', he isn't defiling a temple of God - because it takes 'all of Daniel's 70 '7's, all of the 70th week, final 7 years to anoint the temple that is going to be defiled!
Okay, tranquil, I will answer the question - directly from the bible. (not the NIV)

Daniel 24: KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

The 70 weeks of years are up the Day Jesus returns in great power and glory anointed the King of Israel declared by God on that day.

Jesus Himself is the most Holy. The most Holy Place is in the temple - which is in heaven. The earthly temple beginning with the tent tabernacle, then later the temples, were patterned after the real and represent the real here on earth.


The Antichrist can only violate what is here on earth. And that is what going to happen.



 
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What is your rationale for the above, Marilyn?

Hi Douggg,

I have read that that is where they are learning about the priesthood and sacrifices. Can`t really see them sacrificing in the main synagogue in Jerusalem. just my thoughts.

Marilyn.
 
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Israel has a temple in King George street in Jerusalem?
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Daniel 24: KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.


Mat 26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. (NKJV)


Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.


Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.


Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; (From Jeremiah 31:31-34)

Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.


Daniel 9:24 was fulfilled during the first century, by Christ.

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Mat 26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. (NKJV)

Jesus is not ruling as King of Israel from Mt. Zion in Israel - yet.


6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
 
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The Church as Israel has been historical true Christian Church doctrine from the beginning, well over 1,000 years before the Reformation:
I see that too, especially since Abraham is among the cloud of witnesses. When the fullness of the Gentiles has been reached, what of the conversion of the Jews that initiates the resurrection of the dead? A spiritual and carnal Israel perhaps?
 
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Jesus is not ruling as King of Israel from Mt. Zion in Israel - yet.


6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Matthew 27:11

[ Jesus Before Pilate ] Meanwhile Jesus stood before the governor, and the governor asked him, “Are you the king of the Jews?” “You have said so,” Jesus replied.

Matthew 27:29

and then twisted together a crown of thorns and set it on his head. They put a staff in his right hand. Then they knelt in front of him and mocked him. “Hail, king of the Jews!” they said.

Matthew 27:37

Above his head they placed the written charge against him: this is jesus, the king of the jews.

New International Version (NIV)

John 12:15

Verse Concepts

"FEAR NOT, DAUGHTER OF ZION; BEHOLD, YOUR KING IS COMING, SEATED ON A DONKEY'S COLT."

1 Timothy 6:15

Verse Concepts

which He will bring about at the proper time--He who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords,

Revelation 17:14

Verse Concepts

"These will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those who are with Him are the called and chosen and faithful."

Revelation 19:16

Verse Concepts

And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, "KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS."

John 18:37

Verse Concepts

Therefore Pilate said to Him, "So You are a king?" Jesus answered, "You say correctly that I am a king For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, to testify to the truth Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice."
 
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Jesus is not ruling as King of Israel from Mt. Zion in Israel - yet.

What did Jesus say to the woman at the well about earthly Jerusalem?
Did He agree with the woman when she said earthly Jerusalem is the place to worship?


Joh 4:20 Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, and you Jews say that in Jerusalem is the place where one ought to worship."
Joh 4:21 Jesus said to her, "Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father.
Joh 4:22 You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews.
Joh 4:23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.
Joh 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."


What did the Apostle Paul say about Jerusalem?


Gal 4:25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children—
Gal 4:26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.


What did the author of the Book of Hebrews say about Jerusalem?

Heb 11:15 And truly if they had called to mind that country from which they had come out, they would have had opportunity to return.
Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better, that is, a heavenly country. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.



Heb 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

Our destination is not earthly Jerusalem, based on all of the passages found above.

Christ is ruling now in the Jerusalem, which is above.

Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, this rotten, sin-cursed world is going to be burned up on "the day of the Lord", when He comes "as a thief in the night". The fire is confirmed by Paul's statement in 2 Thessalonians chapter 1, which says Christ returns in "flaming fire" taking vengeance on those who do not know God.
The fire is found in the parable of the wheat and tares.
The fire is found in the judgment of the sheep and goats, from Matthew chapter 25.

Peter was looking for the New Heavens and the New Earth, and I am looking for the same thing.

I have no plans to visit Jerusalem on this rotten, sin-cursed world.

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Okay, tranquil, I will answer the question - directly from the bible. (not the NIV)

Daniel 24: KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

The 70 weeks of years are up the Day Jesus returns in great power and glory anointed the King of Israel declared by God on that day.

Jesus Himself is the most Holy. The most Holy Place is in the temple - which is in heaven. The earthly temple beginning with the tent tabernacle, then later the temples, were patterned after the real and represent the real here on earth.


The Antichrist can only violate what is here on earth. And that is what going to happen.

you didn't answer anything

2 Thessalonians 2

2not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.
Is the antichrist going to be sitting in Jesus' lap? ^_^

the 'temple' is the greek word 'naos' meaning inner chambers/ dwelling place of God Strong's Greek: 3485. ναός (naos) -- a temple

which is the greek reference for the Hebrew 'qodesh haqotasim' (the 'holy of holies'), the 'most holy place' in Daniel 9:24

so again, even the 'temple on earth' needs to be 'anointed' before the antichrist can violate it.

70 '7's are required to anoint the holy place that the antichrist must violate. so how can the antichrist 'break the covenant' in the middle of 7 years if it takes all of the supposed '70th week' to anoint the very place that the antichrist is violating?

want to try again?
 
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Okay, tranquil, I will answer the question - directly from the bible. (not the NIV)

Daniel 24: KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

The 70 weeks of years are up the Day Jesus returns in great power and glory anointed the King of Israel declared by God on that day.

Jesus Himself is the most Holy. The most Holy Place is in the temple - which is in heaven. The earthly temple beginning with the tent tabernacle, then later the temples, were patterned after the real and represent the real here on earth.


The Antichrist can only violate what is here on earth. And that is what going to happen.
When Jesus does come back literally or figuratively, Daniel 9's 'most holy' would indeed refer to this, and it does seem to be indicated as occurring at the 77th year of Israel (because one meaning of Daniel 9:24 is that it takes '70, 7 years' (there are 3 potential meanings to '70 shabua': 77 years, 490 years, 490 days) to 'finish the transgression & anoint the most holy (Jesus, literally or figuratively).

that's why the Gog war occurs/ ends at the 77th year. They are anointing Jesus and God will not let them profane His name anymore.

Ezekiel 39
“And you, son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Behold, I am against you, O Gog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal; 2 and I will turn you around and lead you on, bringing you up from the far north, and bring you against the mountains of Israel. 3 Then I will knock the bow out of your left hand, and cause the arrows to fall out of your right hand. 4 You shall fall upon the mountains of Israel, you and all your troops and the peoples who are with you; I will give you to birds of prey of every sort and to the beasts of the field to be devoured. 5 You shall fall on the open field; for I have spoken,” says the Lord God.

6 “And I will send fire on Magog and on those who live in security in the coastlands. Then they shall know that I am the Lord. 7 So I will make My holy name known in the midst of My people Israel, and I will not let them profane My holy name anymore. Then the nations shall know that I am the Lord, the Holy One in Israel. 8 Surely it is coming, and it shall be done,” says the Lord God. “This is the day of which I have spoken.

9 “Then those who dwell in the cities of Israel will go out and set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and bucklers, the bows and arrows, the javelins and spears; and they will make fires with them for seven years. 10 They will not take wood from the field nor cut down any from the forests, because they will make fires with the weapons; and they will plunder those who plundered them, and pillage those who pillaged them,” says the Lord God.

11 “It will come to pass in that day that I will give Gog a burial place there in Israel, the valley of those who pass by east of the sea; and it will obstruct travelers, because there they will bury Gog and all his multitude. Therefore they will call it the Valley of Hamon Gog. 12 For seven months the house of Israel will be burying them, in order to cleanse the land. 13 Indeed all the people of the land will be burying, and they will gain renown for it on the day that I am glorified,” says the Lord God.​
 
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you didn't answer anything

2 Thessalonians 2

2not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.
Is the antichrist going to be sitting in Jesus' lap? ^_^
The 2thessalonas2:4 act is the transgression of desolation. It is in Daniel 8:12-13, a vision for the time of the end, Daniel 8:17.

In Daniel 8:25, the person becomes magnified in his heart. When he commits the act of sitting in the seat of God in the temple, God is greatly angered and has the person killed in Ezekiel 28:1-10 because the person (1) becomes magnified in his heart (2) sits in the seat of God claiming to be God. Right in the text of Ezekiel 28...

2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

None of that has anything to do with the end of the 70 weeks of years when God places His Anointed - Jesus on the throne, on Mt. Zion in Israel as King, in spite of the world trying to militarily trying to stop it in Psalms 2. Which I did answer your question, but it proves your scenario wrong - so you can't accept it.
 
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What did Jesus say to the woman at the well about earthly Jerusalem?
Did He agree with the woman when she said earthly Jerusalem is the place to worship?
What did God say in Psalms 2 ?

1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
 
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Christ is ruling now in the Jerusalem, which is above.
If he were ruling as King over earth now He Jesus would not permit all satans deceptions to take place as they do now ,
Jesus will rule ON earth when he returns !

Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, this rotten, sin-cursed world is going to be burned up on "the day of the Lord", when He comes
I have no plans to visit Jerusalem on this rotten, sin-cursed world.
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You WILL change those plans because when Jesus returns This is what will happen for many many years

Zech14
2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city. 3 Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights on a day of battle. 4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south

16 Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.
17 If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, they will have no rain.
18 If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The Lord will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.

19 This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.


When Jesus returns He WILL Rule ON EARTH !
Thought you would like the pattern like as you post :)
 
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Even if the Jews rebuilt a 3rd Temple, they do not have the Ark of the Covenant. And even IF they acquired it, the Presence of YHWH is not within.
My view is that the many passages referring to a new temple all refer to a yet-future temple to be built in the New Heavens and New Earth. 144,000 devout Jews will wish to spend eternity worshiping God in the context of what they did when there was a temple having the presence of God. Ezekiel 40-48 describes this literally.
 
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4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south

16 Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.
17 If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, they will have no rain.
18 If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The Lord will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.

19 This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.

Let us look at this unclear passage from the Old Testament through the eyes of the New Testament.

When Christ's sinless heel, first mentioned in Genesis 3:15, touches the Mount of Olives it produces the greatest earthquake in the history of the planet.


Rev_16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

This earthquake begins a chain reaction which will destroy this world, and will bring in the New Heavens and the New Earth, as found in 2 Peter 3:10-13.

The only people that survive Christ's coming are those who belong to Him, based on 2 Thessalonians chapter 1.

Those who do not know God are destroyed when He returns in "flaming fire", taking vengeance on those who do not know God.

This is the "plague" found above, and is the same as the plagues found in the Book of Revelation, which are poured out on unbelievers.


Why don't you use the final revelation of the New Testament to interpret the Old Testament, instead of vice-versa?


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