Is sex before premarital sex really sinful?

TommySoda said:

I do realize it is condemned in the bible at all cost but some part of me just feels it was meant for that time and culture and not us. The reason I’m saying this is because during biblical times most engagements were set up by the spouses families and they weren’t allowed to meet each other until they married.

Click to expand...

Yes, sex before marriage (fornication) is a sin. Keeping away from that sin has always been difficult, however.

TommySoda said:

Well I think the reason people depend on their “own timing” is because as I said most marriages in the biblical era were decided by the parents by class or benefits of their children getting married. It’s not like most of the spouses even had a choice. It is easy to substain from sex when you’re married off early starting from the age of 12/13. Another reason why Paul’s advice doesn’t work is because marriage is not as simple as it was back then. The whole idea of marrying someone just to sleep with them (as he suggests) just cheapeans marriage in my opinion.

Click to expand...

So whats the problem, dont marry and treat your partner as it is, I really dont see the problem

Radagast said:

Yes, sex before marriage (fornication) is a sin. Keeping away from that sin has always been difficult, however.

Click to expand...

Definition of marriage?

tbenedetto said:

Definition of marriage?

Click to expand...

Marriage is the process (usually a ceremony) whereby a couple is recognised before God and the community as being married.

Tetra said:

Were concubines wives? I think they were just mistresses who Kings had sex with... Solomon had like 300.

Click to expand...

A concubine was really a kind of low-status wife.

TommySoda said:

The problem is that sleeping with said partner is apparently a sin.

Click to expand...

Sex is not a sin, is sex out of marriage that is adultery and fornication

But is with sex that you actually take your girl, if you are a guy, and in front of god you take her as your girl

is not banning sex that you solve this situation, but with the information and teaching to the younger to choose carefully

Proverbs 5:15-19
Drink waters out of thine own cistern, and running waters out of thine own well.
Let thy fountains be dispersed abroad, and rivers of waters in the streets.
Let them be only thine own, and not strangers' with thee.
Let thy fountain be blessed: and rejoice with the wife of thy youth.
Let her be as the loving hind and pleasant roe; let her breasts satisfy thee at all times; and be thou ravished always with her love.

It is clear what this means if you are honest with scripture, specifically if you are wise with these verses. In context, no, it was not specifically discussing sex before marriage per se, and yet it encompasses it.
The law "Do not commit adultery" includes premarital sex, it even includes lust as Jesus said. This is because you are taking away from your future spouse, and if you aren't going to get married then ultimately you are taking away from God. The covenant of marriage makes the other person one with you, and if you've been one (unlawfully one) with other or multiple people in thoughts or actions in the past, it takes away from the marriage. Each time you do so, even minor, it takes away from it and robs your future spouse or robs God whom you are dedicated to in celibacy.

Before these verses in Proverbs he (Solomon) explains and warns of the consequences of such things if one lives their life in fornication, and the more it's done the more they will mourn:

Proverbs 5:10-13
Lest strangers be filled with thy wealth; and thy labours be in the house of a stranger;
And thou mourn at the last, when thy flesh and thy body are consumed,
And say, How have I hated instruction, and my heart despised reproof;
And have not obeyed the voice of my teachers, nor inclined mine ear to them that instructed me!

TommySoda said:

I do realize it is condemned in the bible at all cost but some part of me just feels it was meant for that time and culture and not us. The reason I’m saying this is because during biblical times most engagements were set up by the spouses families and they weren’t allowed to meet each other until they married. Clearly this isn’t the case anymore now since dating exists and parents no longer intrudes in their children’s dating life. What I’m getting at with this is, isn’t it possible it was FAR more easier to be celibate when you already had a planned engagement at a young age? In modern times most people don’t marry strangers and marriages are decided by them not their parents based off of class or benefits like biblical times. Most people don’t even marry until they’re WAY older.

Click to expand...

It is not the time to debate over whether things in the bible apply or not, Jesus is coming soon, and we had better be abiding by the word of God when He turns up. And no you can't have premarital sex, the word of God does not change based upon culture.

Radagast said:

Marriage is the process (usually a ceremony) whereby a couple is recognised before God and the community as being married.

Click to expand...

Ah a ritual, like the pagans and the idolatrist

NO. it is not like this

Radagast said:

A concubine was really a kind of low-status wife.

Click to expand...

Even still... most current Christians would be appalled at the idea.

FutureAndAHope said:

It is not the time to debate over whether things in the bible apply or not, Jesus is coming soon, and we had better be abiding by the word of God when He turns up. And no you can't have premarital sex, the word of God does not change based upon culture.

Click to expand...

God's word doesn't change, but understanding what is / isn't apart of historical and cultural context is apart of hermeneutics.

Tetra said:

Even still... most current Christians would be appalled at the idea.

Click to expand...

Yes.

Tetra said:

God's word doesn't change, but understanding what is / isn't apart of historical and cultural context is apart of hermeneutics.

Click to expand...

I seem a bit harsh, and I am taking that tone right now, Jesus is Coming soon, and He is not interested in how we use words, only in obedience.

tbenedetto said:

Ah a ritual, like the pagans and the idolatrist

NO. it is not like this

Click to expand...

The church has had marriage ceremonies since the very early days.

Even without marriage ceremonies, community recognition that a couple is married is important.

I understand that the marriage age is much older, and that does make things more difficult. But the idea that if you date 10 people and have sex with them - that will give you a better chance at a good marriage ... that is completely false.

Please remember that STD's are rampant in our society. Some are completely incurable. Imagine that you got Herpes 2 (HSV 2) virus. Will you be honest with all future partners, before you have sex with them? What if you lose ' the love of your life' because you do tell her, and she decides to drop the relationship???? You would tell her, right?

Although sex may seem.like a big deal right now, the survival of your marriage is much more likely to come from a deep rooted faith in God. That goes for both of you. How important is God's word in your life? That is not a critical comment. It is something for you to think about.

God does not put you in prison. He tries to save you from a lot of bad outcomes.

Blessings!!

Radagast said:

The church has had marriage ceremonies since the very early days.

Even without marriage ceremonies, community recognition that a couple is married is important.

Click to expand...

yes it is true

FutureAndAHope said:

I seem a bit harsh, and I am taking that tone right now, Jesus is Coming soon, and He is not interested in how we use words, only in obedience.

Click to expand...

Jesus has been forever coming soon, the question remains, what exactly is obedience? Do you mean obedience to how you interpret the Bible?

TommySoda said:

I’m not saying the Bible is invalid in what it claims, but what I am saying is does it apply to EVERY situation. Most people are finding themselves and their lifelong partner later than puberty (which is when people started to marry) isn’t it unfair to ask them stay celibate?

Click to expand...

1 Corinthians 6:15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
6:16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
6:18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

When you have sex with someone you are joined to that person.
And if you are joined to someone outside of the bond of marriage, there is nothing but trouble.
This is why God had such a problem with adultery/fornication.
The penalty in the OT was to be stoned to death for both parties.

You were wondering if this Word from God should be applicable to every situation.
My answer would be an unequivocal yes.
Could you name a hypothetical situation where you think it should not be applied?