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Thanks SaraJane81,
Been having a break from church, that haven't had for years. I actually need to, because have to sort out some important issues with my knowledge of scriptures! Example: after all the run ins with false prophets and teachers, I am really reactive and sensitive to any doctrinal errors. One that has got me at a stalemate is all the churches use of Leavened bread! It is quite clear that Jesus and the disciples used unleavened bread because it was the celebration of pass-over. And in fact it was an representation of what Jesus stood for! If Jesus didn't have his blood shed for us then the Jews of Exodus would of also not been protected from the hand of the angel of death, no matter how much blood they put on their door posts! So now the church has changed yet another thing, celebrating Communion with bread with yeast (which represents sin) in stead of un leavened bread (representing Jesus's body without sin). Not to also mention the use of grape juice these days, instead of wine. Justified by saying it is because of alcoholics we don't use alcohol! This is actually wrong because they would of had alcoholics in Jesus's time, and he saw this use was ok. Yet, what we think we are better than Christ. Why do we profess to follow Jesus, yet continually change what he and the disciples did! This concerns me, and I need to sort it out, before I enter a church and bring my controversies with me. Another thing that concerns me is I need to get to the bottom of what the mark of the beast is, because receiving it is fatal! And yet no-one knows what it is! So how can we make sure we don't get it, when we don't know what it is! And I certainly have lost trust in church ministers to look out for us! God said to John not to seal up the words of revelation: rev 22:10And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. 11He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. -If they are not sealed they should be understandable, it is therefore concerning nobody can understand revelation, this is concerning!
I think the verse is telling us basically that the mark of the beast must remain secret and unknown if the Bible told us blatantly what the mark of the beast was, then we wouldn't be using our own free will to accept it or deny it. It must be ours alone. but thats my interpretation? I may be completely wrong
As far as the Communion ritual, to reproduce it exactly would be awesome. But I don't think that it is absolutely necessary b/c say there is a small church in Uganda with no money or access to unleavened bread or wine, but they want to have a communion ceremony so they use whatever they have say rice and water. Does this make their communion less holy than the church that can get wine and crackers? But I guess if a church had access to wine and unleavened bread ya they probably should use what they were told in the Bible to use.
I have a question for you since we are talking about communion. I don't go to church. I did when I was a child and through my teen years but I never took communion. I've recently felt the need to do a communion and im thinking about making a little service for me and my kids.? Just kinda entertaining the thought right now.
 
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I think the verse is telling us basically that the mark of the beast must remain secret and unknown if the Bible told us blatantly what the mark of the beast was, then we wouldn't be using our own free will to accept it or deny it. It must be ours alone. but thats my interpretation? I may be completely wrong
As far as the Communion ritual, to reproduce it exactly would be awesome. But I don't think that it is absolutely necessary b/c say there is a small church in Uganda with no money or access to unleavened bread or wine, but they want to have a communion ceremony so they use whatever they have say rice and water. Does this make their communion less holy than the church that can get wine and crackers? But I guess if a church had access to wine and unleavened bread ya they probably should use what they were told in the Bible to use.
I have a question for you since we are talking about communion. I don't go to church. I did when I was a child and through my teen years but I never took communion. I've recently felt the need to do a communion and im thinking about making a little service for me and my kids.? Just kinda entertaining the thought right now.


I think that is is a great idea to do communion at home, this would be how it was originally done. Except in a upstairs room, as was the Jewish custom. Paul got angry about the missuse of it in the early church. Heres the whole chapter 1Corinthians 11:17
Observing the Lord's Supper
(Matthew 26:26-30; Mark 14:22-26; Luke 22:14-23)
17Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. 18For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. 19For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. 20When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper. 21For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. 22What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.

23For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: 24And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. 25After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. 26For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

27Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. 28But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. 29For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. 30For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. 31For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. 32But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

33Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. 34And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come.
 
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Ask God about it. Honestly, I would not pay any attention to this woman. If God wants you to know something, He will tell you Himself. Why would God, who indwells you, need someone else to tell you something and then have that person tease you? For her to say you aren't ready is just drawing attention to herself and trying to control you. For all you know the "spirit" talking to her may not even be the Lord. There is an unholy spirit as well. I would not pay any attention to her and would seriously consider moving on from that church if she is an example of the teaching going on there. Besides, with the problems you say the church is experiencing, it may just be time to go. The Lord is where you are and will go with you wherever you and your wife end up.

I agree with this... I was manipulated through something similar. I will say that sometimes if you aren't paying attention to God he will give a message he has for you to someone else to tell you (esp if you haven't matured in faith enough to hear well from God) but I will say to keep from being manipulated, 1) test the spirits and 2) mature in God so you can hear him from yourself.
 
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Many years ago I attended a church that had some of these things going on. I always knew that something was wrong there. Sometimes moving on can be spiritually healthy.
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Yes I had to do this.. the last church I was at left my faith spiritually broken but after some time to heal. My faith in God is renewed. I'm so much wiser now.
 
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Thanks again, the leader isn't a minister, she has decided to start coming to our new church, and I suspect she is deliberately trying to make life difficult for us! I just need a place of rest for a time, so as to regain strength, its been un-ending trouble for us and even my nerves are frayed. Frustrating the fact that this woman leader has no conscience about how we feel or our needs, even a murderer in the old law had a city of refuge to run to!

Well, that's the problem right there! God NEVER put a woman in spiritual church leadership over men. EVER. That would be the same as the Son leading the Father or the Church leading Jesus Christ. That's not God's doing. It's the woman's and Satan's...
 
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I agree with this... I was manipulated through something similar. I will say that sometimes if you aren't paying attention to God he will give a message he has for you to someone else to tell you (esp if you haven't matured in faith enough to hear well from God) but I will say to keep from being manipulated, 1) test the spirits and 2) mature in God so you can hear him from yourself.


Yeh, I don't hold a lot of hope in this prophetess. The reason being that after I left the church, it has had half of them leave and also massive financial dept, while still trying to get people to make pledges on tithes to make sure they can pay loans they made from the bank! All the meanwhile setting up money making projects like cafeteria while staff are voluntary, charging Christians to attend seminars and functions. It all started looking like a duck, quacking like a duck- it's a duck! All the meanwhile this prophets and prophetesses whom suppose to be keeping watch never sounded any alarms.
 
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Well, that's the problem right there! God NEVER put a woman in spiritual church leadership over men. EVER. That would be the same as the Son leading the Father or the Church leading Jesus Christ. That's not God's doing. It's the woman's and Satan's...


Yeh, I don't like woman preaching, I wouldn't care except for the fact that the bible is clear about that, and it disturbs me when people ignore scripture! I would be just as disturbed if the word was against men preaching, yet they did!
On a personal level too, I find women teachings lack the salt, the teaching comes across too sickly sweet. I think their mothering instincts soften it to much. Men just want to cut to the chase, get to the punch line, otherwise their mind will go to a screensaver.
 
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Any Prophets here please help me, at a church I was attending, a woman known as a prophetess was talking to me. I was alarmed by what she said, she said God told her about me, but she was not allowed to tell me what he said! Then she said I wasn't ready! I was concerned because I wanted to know why I wasn't ready, but didn't want to try and make the prophetess give out any information, thereby causing her to sin against the Lords command! I constantly have trouble with this because not being ready like say the five virgins means I don't get into the wedding with the groom. I think I am walking with God, and in fact my wife and I have faced many battles for the Lord. And have been subject to many persecutions and many lies and false accusations against us! I am not completely troubled because that church has fallen into trouble, with leaders leaving, financial dept and fighting in the ranks. So this prophetess didn't seem to call the warnings of these events, it still bothers me a bit, because of the seriousness of the accusation, so if it pleases the Lord, would he permit a prophet here to verify the situation. I don't put men before God, and if anything I have trust issues with all mankind, which I find actually goes in my favor, that I don't make Idols out of men! Any help appreciated- thankyou.

I do not know this woman who addressed you, but I read through your responses and I saw a lot of people jumping to conclusions. While I can't be certain yet, I would caution you that you may be getting sorely misled on this thread, and end up finding out down the road that the Lord was trying to talk to you about a stronger calling on your life but you basically got talked out of it.

The words stated below suggest this:
... in fact my wife and I have faced many battles for the Lord. And have been subject to many persecutions and many lies and false accusations against us!
I have certainly been like you describe, its hard for me to fit in, in churches because my strong stance against injustices in a church, but when I speak up, I am ignored and ostracized and treated as an out cast! So I leave the church only to find out it dies or is punned back to a small congregation that never grows. This has been a constant repeated theme where ever I go. But I seem to never help stop the inevitable, and its really sad! To make it worse, I get even more reactive when I see a church not following the word of God, each time, I witness God pull down that church! I have got to the put I am struggling even with communion and won't partake of it because this is not the way Jesus and the disciples celebrated it, it was pass-over, the bibles clear on this, and pass-over was what Jesus represented, but most churches use leaven bread (sin) as the body of Christ, strangely it actually symbolizes the state of the churches today! Even their use of grape juice instead of wine, justifying that its because of alcoholics, but didn't they have alcoholics in Jesus's time? Do we know better than him, then why do we change everything, its disturbing! But the more I go about I just want to shut up, because everyone just reads me as a trouble maker, especially after witnessing so many church splits over power struggles, corruption and fighting over doctrine! So I try to shut up, but that fire stirs with in me, and if I stay quiet , I feel guilt of not warning them.

Everything in the above suggests a calling. That you noticing that unleavened bread is being used is excellent, and it is indeed symbolic of much of the church.

Now understand something: Just because someone says you are "not ready" to walk in your calling yet does NOT mean you are among the five foolish virgins or any such thing. You are reading into it things she did not say, and I see this happen a lot with believers who are not experienced with such things. They read into prophetic statements things that have not been said and then get fearful, and even feel like they are being condemned or something, when that is not the case at all. From what I know from your post, she was simply telling you that you are not ready yet to fulfill your CALLING yet, which is different thing entirely than anything having to do with your salvation or spiritual state. I know of some for whom it has taken them more than four decades to finally be prepared. And you appear to be young judging by your avatar, so join the club.

I read through the responses, and my apologies but I simply can't relate to it being a threatening thing for you to be prophesied over that you have a stronger call on your life. I'm just saying, it is astonishing to me that someone was prophesying something positive over your life and yet you are being told it must therefore be of the Devil. If God cannot prophesy anything positive or negative over you to warn you, what on earth does He have left? He is rendered absolutely USELESS. Now who do you think would want to do that? But expect to continue to be told that all such words spoken over you are of Satan, and those who challenge that notion are likewise being used of the Devil. But unless this woman has been shown to be using people financially herself, or abusing people in some way, or teaching false doctrine personally, I don't see where she has sinned against you.

I would also add that it would be entirely consistent with what I know of the enemy that he would be completely tearing apart a church where the gifts are in operation, so that in and of itself is not a mark against her personally, but rather those around her who are not able to withstand the opposition that gets raised up when those who move in true spiritual gifts are around.

Again, is she a true prophetess? I have no idea. But nothing in what she has said or done, judging by all of your posts, suggests she is not, other than you yourself reading into her statements things which I didn't pick up on at all. What she said in and of itself is a very common thing for a genuine prophetess to say.

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I do not know this woman who addressed you, but I read through your responses and I saw a lot of people jumping to conclusions. While I can't be certain yet, I would caution you that you may be getting sorely misled on this thread, and end up finding out down the road that the Lord was trying to talk to you about a stronger calling on your life but you basically got talked out of it.

The words stated below suggest this:



Everything in the above suggests a calling. That you noticing that unleavened bread is being used is excellent, and it is indeed symbolic of much of the church.

Now understand something: Just because someone says you are "not ready" to walk in your calling yet does NOT mean you are among the five foolish virgins or any such thing. You are reading into it things she did not say, and I see this happen a lot with believers who are not experienced with such things. They read into prophetic statements things that have not been said and then get fearful, and even feel like they are being condemned or something, when that is not the case at all. From what I know from your post, she was simply telling you that you are not ready yet to fulfill your CALLING yet, which is different thing entirely than anything having to do with your salvation or spiritual state. I know of some for whom it has taken them more than four decades to finally be prepared. And you appear to be young judging by your avatar, so join the club.

I read through the responses, and my apologies but I simply can't relate to it being a threatening thing for you to be prophesied over that you have a stronger call on your life. I'm just saying, it is astonishing to me that someone was prophesying something positive over your life and yet you are being told it must therefore be of the Devil. If God cannot prophesy anything positive or negative over you to warn you, what on earth does He have left? He is rendered absolutely USELESS. Now who do you think would want to do that? But expect to continue to be told that all such words spoken over you are of Satan, and those who challenge that notion are likewise being used of the Devil. But unless this woman has been shown to be using people financially herself, or abusing people in some way, or teaching false doctrine personally, I don't see where she has sinned against you.

I would also add that it would be entirely consistent with what I know of the enemy that he would be completely tearing apart a church where the gifts are in operation, so that in and of itself is not a mark against her personally, but rather those around her who are not able to withstand the opposition that gets raised up when those who move in true spiritual gifts are around.

Again, is she a true prophetess? I have no idea. But nothing in what she has said or done, judging by all of your posts, suggests she is not, other than you yourself reading into her statements things which I didn't pick up on at all. What she said in and of itself is a very common thing for a genuine prophetess to say.

In Christ,
Hidden
Wow, this is an excellent word of wisdom! Well done!
 
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Any Prophets here please help me, at a church I was attending, a woman known as a prophetess was talking to me. I was alarmed by what she said, she said God told her about me, but she was not allowed to tell me what he said! Then she said I wasn't ready! I was concerned because I wanted to know why I wasn't ready, but didn't want to try and make the prophetess give out any information, thereby causing her to sin against the Lords command! I have constantly have trouble with this because not being ready like say the five virgins means I don't get into the wedding with the groom. I think Iam walking with God, and in fact my wife and I have faced many battles for the Lord. And have been subject to many persecutions any many lies and false accusations against us! I am not completely troubled because that church has fallen into trouble, with leaders leaving, financial dept and fighting in the ranks. So this prophetess didn't seem to call the warnings of these events, it still bothers me a bit, because of the seriousness of the accusation, so if it pleases the Lord, would he permit a prophet here to verify the situation. I don't put men before God, and if anything I have trust issues with all mankind, which I find actually goes in my favor, that I don't make Idols out of men! Any help appreciated- thankyou.

Prophets/Prophesy is for exhortation, edification, instruction, and correction of the body of Christ....it is out of His love for us that we are not deceived by the enemies tricks to make us think we are ready to move out into our calling when in fact moving out to early will cause us to fail before we ever get started....I have waited 32 years to move into the calling He called me to....and in those 32 years I went through a lot of trials and tribulations, walking in the wilderness.....this was the purging and trying by fire where God has brought me to a place of humbleness and complete surrender of my life to Him....to concede to His Will not Mine...to be obedient in everything He commanded me to do.

WE are to test the spirit and judge words given to us and see if they line up with His Word....in this case the word given was you are not ready yet....well only you know if this is truth or not. ARE you ready? Can you go out and minister to others in their need? Have you conquered everything in your life that hinders you? To minister to others in an area that you have not conquered yourself only keeps you in bondage as well as those you minister to in bondage to that same thing.

I would take this to Him...if you are ready to move into your calling He will confirm it...and YOU will know and His spirit (Holy Spirit) will bear witness with your spirit that you are hearing Him correctly.

I hope this helps.....God Bless
 
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Prophets/Prophesy is for exhortation, edification, instruction, and correction of the body of Christ....it is out of His love for us that we are not deceived by the enemies tricks to make us think we are ready to move out into our calling when in fact moving out to early will cause us to fail before we ever get started....I have waited 32 years to move into the calling He called me to....and in those 32 years I went through a lot of trials and tribulations, walking in the wilderness.....this was the purging and trying by fire where God has brought me to a place of humbleness and complete surrender of my life to Him....to concede to His Will not Mine...to be obedient in everything He commanded me to do.

WE are to test the spirit and judge words given to us and see if they line up with His Word....in this case the word given was you are not ready yet....well only you know if this is truth or not. ARE you ready? Can you go out and minister to others in their need? Have you conquered everything in your life that hinders you? To minister to others in an area that you have not conquered yourself only keeps you in bondage as well as those you minister to in bondage to that same thing.

I would take this to Him...if you are ready to move into your calling He will confirm it...and YOU will know and His spirit (Holy Spirit) will bear witness with your spirit that you are hearing Him correctly.

I hope this helps.....God Bless


Thanks for your advice and everyone else above, I am just in a bad place right now, not that my faith is in danger, but that I am in a spiritual wilderness not knowing which church or christian I should even listen too. I can't even trust my own interpretation of things, right now I think I just want to just shut my mouth, so as to not add to the mess of this world! I will still preach Christ, but that will be mainly out of season right now.
 
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Thanks for your advice and everyone else above, I am just in a bad place right now, not that my faith is in danger, but that I am in a spiritual wilderness not knowing which church or christian I should even listen too. I can't even trust my own interpretation of things, right now I think I just want to just shut my mouth, so as to not add to the mess of this world! I will still preach Christ, but that will be mainly out of season right now.

Not to worry, davp. The scripture teaches that if we ask Him to, the Holy Spirit will lead us into all truth (John 16:13), and therefore all you have to do is pray to Him to do just that and He will. It also says that because of this fact we have no need that any man teach us (1 John 2:20, 1 John 2:27). So just rest secure in the promises of God, and keep praying to Him to reveal all truth from falsehood.

You will not have to wait forever for Him to fulfill it. :)

God bless,
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Any Prophets here please help me, at a church I was attending, a woman known as a prophetess was talking to me. I was alarmed by what she said, she said God told her about me, but she was not allowed to tell me what he said! Then she said I wasn't ready! I was concerned because I wanted to know why I wasn't ready, but didn't want to try and make the prophetess give out any information, thereby causing her to sin against the Lords command!
I can tell you flat out that this "prophetess" was NOT hearing from God. God is plain and will tell it to you directly. It will not be confusing or obtuse. It will not be condemning. It will be encouraging (even if it is a word of correction or rebuke).
 
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Any Prophets here please help me, at a church I was attending, a woman known as a prophetess was talking to me. I was alarmed by what she said, she said God told her about me, but she was not allowed to tell me what he said! Then she said I wasn't ready! I was concerned because I wanted to know why I wasn't ready, but didn't want to try and make the prophetess give out any information, thereby causing her to sin against the Lords command! I have constantly have trouble with this because not being ready like say the five virgins means I don't get into the wedding with the groom. I think Iam walking with God, and in fact my wife and I have faced many battles for the Lord. And have been subject to many persecutions any many lies and false accusations against us! I am not completely troubled because that church has fallen into trouble, with leaders leaving, financial dept and fighting in the ranks. So this prophetess didn't seem to call the warnings of these events, it still bothers me a bit, because of the seriousness of the accusation, so if it pleases the Lord, would he permit a prophet here to verify the situation. I don't put men before God, and if anything I have trust issues with all mankind, which I find actually goes in my favor, that I don't make Idols out of men! Any help appreciated- thankyou.
I call this prophet shopping..why are you in search of a prophet when you have Scripture right in front of you. Pauls writings..everyone of them warns of false teaching within the church.. not outside forces of Muslims..Russia.. or even very little of Satan.
The problems we face.. even into Revelation are teaching and false prophets within our church.
 
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thank you kindly for that, we actually did already leave, trouble is now one of the troublesome leaders has started coming to our new church, whom caused a lot of grief for my wife and I. Don't want to talk to the minister about it for the mere fact of looking like we are problematic people who cause trouble where ever we go!
Jesus never actually said go to church or follow a certain pastor..church is on the brink of destruction. Growth is expanding your knowledge..teaching your own fruit..consider starting your own community..i believe you have it in you to lead your own group of believers in smaller studies rather than corporate belief gatherings of a quick sermon for the week and an offering to keep the building intact. I would go so far as helping to guide you in studies
 
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Jesus never actually said go to church or follow a certain pastor...
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The writer of Hebrews wrote,
"[Do not forsake] the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but [exhort] one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching." Hebrews 10:25

Paul wrote,
"And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ;..." Ephesians 4:11-13

@davp , When it is time to step into such a ministry, God will send you via the leadership that He has placed over you.
 
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I call this prophet shopping..why are you in search of a prophet when you have Scripture right in front of you. Pauls writings..everyone of them warns of false teaching within the church.. not outside forces of Muslims..Russia.. or even very little of Satan.
The problems we face.. even into Revelation are teaching and false prophets within our church.

Certainly didn't shop for this Prophet, my wife and I was just talking to her as we were leaving church into the car park, never seen or met the woman before! Only after she said the things she did, was I alarmed! But not completely, it would of been easy to dismiss her as a Looney tune, hell bent on her own feelings of grandeur. But out of wisdom I want make sure their is no room for error, because if she was a true prophet it probably wouldn't go down well with the Lord to judge her with the previous!
 
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Jesus never actually said go to church or follow a certain pastor..church is on the brink of destruction. Growth is expanding your knowledge..teaching your own fruit..consider starting your own community..i believe you have it in you to lead your own group of believers in smaller studies rather than corporate belief gatherings of a quick sermon for the week and an offering to keep the building intact. I would go so far as helping to guide you in studies

I understand where you are coming from, I have seen many corrupt churches, filled with false teachers, false prophets and those that its good PR for business clientele. I would not personally go as far to say all churches, as I have not examined all churches. I am looking at starting something like you suggest, and thanks for the kind offer of guidance in study. I probably wont be having anything to do with teaching as I don't think this is my gifting, more so setting a local team that make up the full body of Christ.
-God bless!
 
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