LDS Why don't Mormon missionaries hand out the tripple combination?

Rescued One · Mar 14, 2018

Jane_Doe said:
*Sigh*. This post is a whole giant mess of mis-infromation and misrepresentation.

I stated (post #334) that "No, LDS do not believe you "earn" your way to Heaven-- such ideas are laughable."

To counter this, Phoebe responded-

See the moving of the goal posts? I specifically was talking about salvation, not blessings.

For your information, salvation is the greatest blessing. Do you deny that?

Jane_Doe said:
This next line once again moves the goalposts, as it's neither talking about salvation or blessings, but is instead talking about learning. The verse could be paraphrase, "anything we learn in this life rises with us in the resurrection". As I have yet to meet another Christian who believes we un-learn things upon resurrection, this is hardly a LDS-specific concept.

Can LDS gain eternal life without learning?

Jane_Doe said:
*Backing out to the big picture here again* ... Ummm... and why was this non-LDS specific concept about learning cited in support of the false claim "Mormons believe you earn your way to Heaven"?

I didn't say Mormons believe you earn eternal, but if some of them teach it, I hope they believe what they are teaching. If blessings have to be earned, so does the blessing of eternal life.

Jane_Doe said:
For the sake of my own sanity / not wasting my time, I'm just going to skip responding to the rest of these shenanigans.

Why are you so rude? :scratch:

"Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee."
Isaiah 26:3

Rescued One · Mar 14, 2018

Ironhold said:
From the Gospel Principles manual:

Chapter 47: Exaltation

To be exalted, we first must place our faith in Jesus Christ and then endure in that faith to the end of our lives. Our faith in Him must be such that we repent of our sins and obey His commandments.

He commands us all to receive certain ordinances:

We must be baptized.

We must receive the laying on of hands to be confirmed a member of the Church of Jesus Christ and to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Brethren must receive the Melchizedek Priesthood and magnify their callings in the priesthood.

We must receive the temple endowment.

We must be married for eternity, either in this life or in the next.

In addition to receiving the required ordinances, the Lord commands all of us to:

Love God and our neighbors.

Keep the commandments.

Repent of our wrongdoings.

Search out our kindred dead and receive the saving ordinances of the gospel for them.

Attend our Church meetings as regularly as possible so we can renew our baptismal covenants by partaking of the sacrament.

Love our family members and strengthen them in the ways of the Lord.

Have family and individual prayers every day.

Teach the gospel to others by word and example.

Study the scriptures.

Listen to and obey the inspired words of the prophets of the Lord.

Finally, each of us needs to receive the Holy Ghost and learn to follow His direction in our individual lives.

Most of these things are things that your average member of the church is doing to already be doing anyway, so...

If anything, most of these things are things that the average Christian believer of *any* denomination is going to be already doing so...

No, we aren't doing ordinances 1-5. We don't listen to and obey Mormon prophets. According to Mormons, we don't have the gift of the Holy Ghost. We don't "Search out our kindred dead and receive the saving ordinances of the gospel for them."

We don't take bread and water to renew baptismal covenants. We take communion as a reminder of the payment Jesus made on the cross. " ...this do in remembrance of me." We don't teach Mormonism to others. And what we do isn't going to give us eternal life.

Rescued One · Mar 14, 2018

Jane_Doe said:
You actually can't skip talking about OSAS when talking about LDS views of salvation. To be more specific, it needs to be discussed thorough how LDS do *not* believe in OSAS, or any Calvinists ideas, or the idea that salvation is an once-and-done-instanstancous event. Rather, LDS are staunch Armenians.

Past then, it needs to be discussed how in LDS theology salvation is different than exaltation, the latter being the degree of glory- aka how large of a crown you where. It is inaccurate to say that LDS believe in 3 "heavens", rather the better phrasing is LDS believe in a spectrum of 3 degrees of glory. And yes, LDS believe that a person receiving the greatest crown should indeed fully repent of their sins and love the Lord their God.

Armenians come from Armenia. LDS aren't Arminians. Arminians worship only one God, the Holy Trinity. Arminians don't believe in multiple salvations; they teach that salvation occurs upon acceptance of Christ.

People in the lower degrees of the Celestial Kingdom aren't exalted. There are three kingdoms --- don't pretend that there aren't.

In the Bible, every saved person receives a crown and the crowns are not varying degrees or sizes. In fact the crown is symbolic.

The Crown of Incorruption signifying we reign in immortality, that we will receive a non-corruptible bodies and live for ever.
The Crown of Righteousness signifying that we reign in righteousness, having no fault before God.
The Crown of Life signifies our reign in Christ Jesus, who is the tree of life by the waters of life, in which we shall never see death.
The Crown of Rejoicing is to signify our reign is in joy and without sorrow or pain.
The Crown of Glory is to signify that we reign in Glory with Him.
The Crown of Gold is to signify that we reign Holy, set apart, being 'precious' (as Gold) and of great value to God.

These are not different crowns [stephanos], they are all signifying that we are joint heirs with Christ and that we 'reign' with Him and have all these things. These different verses are to highlight some particular aspect of that reigning, not to illustrate divergent rewards.
- Tony Warren

BigDaddy4 · Mar 14, 2018

Ironhold said:
If anything, most of these things are things that the average Christian believer of *any* denomination is going to be already doing so...

Not likely.

Ironhold said:
He commands us all to receive certain ordinances:

We must be baptized.

We must receive the laying on of hands to be confirmed a member of the Church of Jesus Christ and to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Brethren must receive the Melchizedek Priesthood and magnify their callings in the priesthood.

We must receive the temple endowment.

We must be married for eternity, either in this life or in the next.

The average Christian believer of *any* denomination" is not likely to do #'s 2 through 5 above.

Ironhold said:
In addition to receiving the required ordinances, the Lord commands all of us to:

Love God and our neighbors.

Keep the commandments.

Repent of our wrongdoings.

Search out our kindred dead and receive the saving ordinances of the gospel for them.

Attend our Church meetings as regularly as possible so we can renew our baptismal covenants by partaking of the sacrament.

Love our family members and strengthen them in the ways of the Lord.

Have family and individual prayers every day.

Teach the gospel to others by word and example.

Study the scriptures.

Listen to and obey the inspired words of the prophets of the Lord.

Nor 4, 5, or 10 (assuming any prophet outside of those in the Bible). 8 out of 15 is not "most".

Ironhold · Mar 14, 2018

Phoebe Ann said:
No, we aren't doing ordinances 1-5.

So mainline Christianity doesn't do baptism?

dzheremi · Mar 14, 2018

Baptism in the Christian tradition is the entrance into the Christian life, but does not carry with it the kinds of presuppositions that are evident in Mormonism by its own actions (e.g., baptisms for the dead, which is not and never has been a part of Christianity).

Much of the list can be dealt with similarly: We may do this or that in a particular way or for a particular reason (much depends on the exact confession or tradition of the person you're talking to), but no matter who you talk to it's not going to match the Mormon understanding of the same, because they're not actually the same thing in the first place.

Rescued One · Mar 14, 2018

Ironhold said:
So mainline Christianity doesn't do baptism?

The only baptism being referrred to is one by the proper Mormon authority. Christian baptisms aren't recognized.

twin.spin · Apr 9, 2018

Phoebe Ann said:
The only baptism being referrred to is one by the proper Mormon authority. Christian baptisms aren't recognized.

LDS Baptism is not about what God does for them, but what they promise to do for God.

"When you were baptized, you entered into a covenant with God. You promised to take upon yourself
the name of Jesus Christ, keep His commandments, and serve Him to the end. You renew this
covenant each time you partake of the sacrament" (True to the Faith, p. 23).

This and for other reasons (i.e. baptisms for the dead\rejection of God as Triune) Mormon baptisms aren't recognized.

The Bible teaches that God wonderfully uses baptism to connect people to Christ (Romans 6:3-4).
Through it, God bestows the benefits of Christ's perfect life and sacrificial death. The blessings of baptism include the forgiveness of sins (Acts 2:38), a new spiritual life (Romans 6:4), and eternal salvation (1 Peter 3:21).

Ironhold · Apr 9, 2018

twin.spin said:
LDS Baptism is not about what God does for them, but what they promise to do for God.

Chapter 20: Baptism

We Must Be Baptized for the Remission of Our Sins

When we place our faith in Jesus Christ, repent, and are baptized, our sins are forgiven through the Atonement of Jesus Christ.

From the scriptures we learn that John the Baptist “did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins” (Mark 1:4). The Apostle Peter taught, “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins” (Acts 2:38). Following Paul’s conversion, Ananias said to him, “Arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins” (Acts 22:16).

So yeah - there's more to it than just that.

Jane_Doe · Apr 9, 2018

twin.spin said:
This and for other reasons (i.e. baptisms for the dead\rejection of God as Triune) Mormon baptisms aren't recognized.

Where in the Bible does it say that a person must accept post-biblical documents (aka the Creeds and their explanation of God's substance) in order to have a "valid" baptism?

dzheremi · Apr 9, 2018

Jane_Doe said:
Where in the Bible does it say that a person must accept post-biblical documents (aka the Creeds and their explanation of God's substance) in order to have a "valid" baptism?

How is saying why Mormon baptisms are not recognized by Christianity telling Mormons that they need to believe in anything in particular? You can continue having your unrecognized baptisms, heretical theology, post-Biblical 'scripture', and all the other things that separate Mormonism from Christianity...you just can't do that while also expecting actual Christians to recognize your religion as a type of Christianity.

You might as well ask "Why do Christians have any standards at all?" If it grieves you so much, renounce the Mormon religion and join an actual Christian confession.

twin.spin · Apr 9, 2018

Ironhold said:
Chapter 20: Baptism

We Must Be Baptized for the Remission of Our Sins

When we place our faith in Jesus Christ, repent, and are baptized, our sins are forgiven through the Atonement of Jesus Christ.

From the scriptures we learn that John the Baptist “did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins” (Mark 1:4). The Apostle Peter taught, “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins” (Acts 2:38). Following Paul’s conversion, Ananias said to him, “Arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins” (Acts 22:16).

So yeah - there's more to it than just that.

Yes, it's been established what "Atonement" is understood according to LDS theology in other OP's.

So the fact remains: LDS Baptism is not about what God does for them, but what they promise to do for God.

"When you were baptized, you entered into a covenant with God. You promised to take upon yourself the name of Jesus Christ, keep His commandments, and serve Him to the end. You renew this covenant each time you partake of the sacrament" (True to the Faith, p. 23).

This and for other reasons (i.e. baptisms for the dead\rejection of God as Triune) Mormon baptisms aren't recognized.

Rescued One · Apr 9, 2018

Jane_Doe said:
Where in the Bible does it say that a person must accept post-biblical documents (aka the Creeds and their explanation of God's substance) in order to have a "valid" baptism?

Where in the Bible does it say that only Mormon baptisms are recognized by God?

The7thColporteur · Apr 10, 2018

Jane_Doe said:
... LDS do *not* believe in OSAS ... or the idea that salvation is an once-and-done-instantaneous event. ...

Good place to start. As OSAS is really deadly. Looks pretty, gives a little odd light, like a lit stick of dynamite. After awhile - darkness. Nearly cost my friend his marriage, and his life [still had to serve time though].

The7thColporteur · Apr 10, 2018

DW1980 said:
I do absolutely agree that Jesus is the most important thing/person/belief. But that's exactly why we need to be clear what we mean.

Let me provide an example. A Muslim would talk about Jesus too. As would a Jehovahs Witness. But to a Muslim, Jesus is a prophet. To a JW he's the archangel Michael. To me he is God, the second person of the Trinity.

So before we can talk about what Jesus has done, we need to define who Jesus is.

Does that help?

To be fair to the Muslims, the Bible does say that Jesus is "that Prophet" [John 6:14; Acts 3:23; Deuteronomy 18:18-19], but what that means in Islamic theology is entirely something else, as they would teach he is only a Muslim prophet, a mere rasul, created by the whim of "Allah", and able to be destroyed at any time by that same whim, which may be seen in my current thread on Islam here - https://www.christianforums.com/thr...n-of-the-desert-matthew-24-24-26-kjb.8058098/

Also to be fair to the Jehovah's Witnesses, Jesus is Michael the archangel [Who is like unto God [the Father] the highest messenger [of the Father's love]], however, Michael was not ever a created being [as Roman Catholicism teaches, and the WTS have gone half-way back unto], but rather He is the Uncreated Creator, eternal God, the person of the Son, even JEHOVAH Jesus, JEHOVAH E/Immanuel, as all the reformers taught, Luther, Melanchthon, Geneva Bible, etc. which may be seen here, all the way back to Melito of Sardis - [Link] & [Link] Jehovah's Witnesses need to come back into harmony with scripture here and accept both, not just the one aspect, while most others need to come back into harmony from the other side.

So, I too believe it is proper to have a right and clear understanding of who Jesus is, from the description that the preserved word of God [KJB; in English] itself gives to us of Him, it being the final standard of measurement of all truth, John 17:17 KJB.

This would go for any religion, theory, practice, teaching, doctrine, faith, etc, including the LDS tenets, as well as to what I personally adhere to in matters of faith and practice as a member of the Seventh-day Adventist movement.

I would also be careful and specific on how one defines words like "trinity". That word, depending on who one is talking to, can shift like water or sand in the details. Romanism has an unscriptural definition, as may be seen here, about half way in [Link], just search for the words, "Credo of the People of God".

DW1980 · Apr 10, 2018

Hi

The7thColporteur said:
Also to be fair to the Jehovah's Witnesses, Jesus is Michael the archangel [Who is like unto God [the Father] the highest messenger [of the Father's love]], however, Michael was not ever a created being [as Roman Catholicism teaches, and the WTS have gone half-way back unto], but rather He is the Uncreated Creator, eternal God, the person of the Son, even JEHOVAH Jesus, JEHOVAH E/Immanuel, as all the reformers taught, Luther, Melanchthon, Geneva Bible, etc. which may be seen here, all the way back to Melito of Sardis - [Link] & [Link] Jehovah's Witnesses need to come back into harmony with scripture here and accept both, not just the one aspect, while most others need to come back into harmony from the other side.

I fundamentally disagree with this. The Bible could not be clearer - Jesus is NOT an angel.

“For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father”? Or again, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son”? And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”

In speaking of the angels he says, “He makes his angels spirits, and his servants flames of fire.” But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.” (Hebrews 1:5-8)

Michael, the Archangel is not unique. The Bible says,

“Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, because I was detained there with the king of Persia.” (Daniel 10:13)

Michael is not the chief prince, he is one of the chief princes. He also behaves differently to Jesus:

“But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”” (Jude 9)

“Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’” (Matthew 4:10)

I don't see any support in Scripture to claim that Jesus is Michael the Archangel. Jesus is the uncreated, eternal God. Michael may be the highest angel, but he is an angel - a created being, not the creator.

DW1980 · Apr 10, 2018

The7thColporteur said:
So, I too believe it is proper to have a right and clear understanding of who Jesus is, from the description that the preserved word of God [KJB; in English] itself gives to us of Him, it being the final standard of measurement of all truth, John 17:17 KJB.

I assume from this that you subscribe to the KJV Only view. This is a view I do not share, worth noting but it's off topic. I would recommend James White's "The King James Only Controversy" on this.

BigDaddy4 · Apr 10, 2018

Jane_Doe said:
Where in the Bible does it say that a person must accept post-biblical documents (aka the Creeds and their explanation of God's substance) in order to have a "valid" baptism?

Phoebe Ann said:
Where in the Bible does it say that only Mormon baptisms are recognized by God?

Similar to "trinity", the Bible doesn't have the word "bible" in it either, but the concept is generally understand throughout Christiandom (even with those who have more than the commonly used 66 book version).

It's really sad how the mormons will accept "bible" but not "trinity" based on the argument that "trinity" is "not in the Bible". May someday they have eyes that see and ears that hear...

The7thColporteur · Apr 10, 2018

DW1980 said:
Hi

I fundamentally disagree with this. The Bible could not be clearer - Jesus is NOT an angel.

“For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father”? Or again, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son”? And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”

In speaking of the angels he says, “He makes his angels spirits, and his servants flames of fire.” But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.” (Hebrews 1:5-8)

You may disagree, of course, but I gave you the evidence which answered your objections in a most detailed manner. I also do not want to derail this thread, and so I will reply this once, and then if you would like to go further I would be glad to take it up in another thread.

In the evidence I provided by two links [Link] & [Link], see:

[10-C] Question 03: Is the Son of God, Jesus, ever referred to as an “Angel” directly in the scripture, the King James Bible?

[10-E] Question 05: How do we know that the “messenger [angel] of the covenant” in Malachi 3:1 KJB is Jesus Christ?

[10-G] Question 07: How can Jesus, who is JEHOVAH [E/I]mmanuel, be “Michael the archangel”, or “the angel of the LORD” since in Hebrews 1:1-14 KJB the passage says that Jesus is “so much better than the angels” [Hebrews 1:4 KJB], has “a more excellent name than they” [Hebrews 1:4 KJB] and all the “angels of God” are to “worship him [Jesus]” [Hebrews 1:6 KJB] because He is “the brightness of his [the Father's] glory, and the express image of his [the Father's] person” [Hebrews 1:3 KJB]?

But not to be overwhelming here; I will provide a few short excerpts, that show that Jesus is indeed an "angel" [messenger of the Father, not a created being]:

Genesis 16:9 KJB - And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Return to thy mistress, and submit thyself under her hands.

Genesis 16:10 KJB - And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude.

Genesis 48:3 KJB - And Jacob said unto Joseph, God Almighty appeared unto me at Luz in the land of Canaan, and blessed me,

Genesis 48:16 KJB - The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.

Exodus 3:2 KJB - And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.

Exodus 3:3 KJB - And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.

Exodus 3:4 KJB - And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.

Exodus 3:5 KJB - And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground.

Exodus 3:6 KJB - Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.

Isaiah 63:9 KJB - In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.

Daniel 3:25 KJB - He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

Daniel 3:28 KJB - Then Nebuchadnezzar spake, and said, Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who hath sent his angel, and delivered his servants that trusted in him, and have changed the king's word, and yielded their bodies, that they might not serve nor worship any god, except their own God.

Malachi 3:1 KJB - Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.

Side note, the word there for "messenger" is the Hebrew, malak, or in the so-called LXX, it is aggelos; to know that Jesus is the “messenger [angel] of the covenant” of Malachi 3:1 KJB, see: [10-E] Question 05: How do we know that the “messenger [angel] of the covenant” in Malachi 3:1 KJB is Jesus Christ?

Galatians 4:14 KJB - And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.

Revelation 10:1 KJB - And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:

Hebrews is speaking of the difference between the Uncreated Angel [Jesus, the highest messenger of the Father] to that of all other created angels [created beings, whether angelic, human or other]. If you are sincere, and always desire truth, please see again, [10-G] Question 07: .

DW1980 said:
Michael, the Archangel is not unique. The Bible says,

“Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, because I was detained there with the king of Persia.” (Daniel 10:13)

Michael is not the chief prince, he is one of the chief princes. He also behaves differently to Jesus:

“But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”” (Jude 9)

“Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’” (Matthew 4:10)

I don't see any support in Scripture to claim that Jesus is Michael the Archangel. Jesus is the uncreated, eternal God. Michael may be the highest angel, but he is an angel - a created being, not the creator.

The question is what does scripture mean, when it says "one of the chief princes"? If you want to know, consider the indepth study here in the previous links:

[10-F] Question 06: How can the Son of God – Jesus be Michael the archangel, since in Daniel 10:13 KJB, Michael is said to be “... one of the chief princes ...”?

Jesus and Satan are the two chief princes, that is to say the rulers over the forces of good and evil, the two main combatants in the Great Controversy. "princes" also carries further definitions as well, such as "priests" of the temple, or leaders of the Temple, and in that sense, Jesus is the greatest of these, but one of them, then there is the concept of rulers over nations, and Jesus again, is one of these, ruler over a spiritual and physical nation. I will cite an excerpt:

"... As already seen in section [06] The Two Princes, Jesus being designated as “Prince” in numerous places does not detract from His being always Eternal Deity – JEHOVAH Emmanuel, Uncreated Creator, and Son of the Father, etc., but rather identifies His ruling and commanding position in control over all the created forces of Heaven [the christian is also a citizen of Heaven, their names are written there; Daniel 7:10, 12:1; Philippians 4:3; Hebrews 12:23; Revelation 3:5, 21:27 KJB]:

Revelation 19:11 KJB - And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Revelation 19:14 KJB - And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Additionally, it is witnessed that there are two primary “Princes”, or rulers in the great controversy, the war [Daniel 9:26 KJB] between Righteousness and Wickedness, namely, [1] Jesus/Michael over the forces of Good and Light, and [2] Satan/Dragon over the forces of Evil and Darkness, and thus it may be seen how Michael/Jesus truly is “... one of the chief princes...”:

[1.] The Good [Jesus/Michael/[E/I]mmanuel/Lamb, etc], the True and Everlasting “Prince”; who is God, even the Son of the Father, uncreated Creator:

Isaiah 9:6 KJB - “... the Prince of Peace ...”
Daniel 8:11 KJB - “... the Prince of the Host ...”
Daniel 8:25 KJB - “… the Prince of Princes ...”
Daniel 9:25 KJB - “... Messiah the Prince ...”
Daniel 10:13 KJB - “... Michael, one of the Chief Princes ...”
Daniel 10:21 KJB - “... Michael your Prince ...”
Daniel 11:22 KJB - “... the prince of the covenant ...”
Daniel 12:1 KJB - “... Michael … the Great Prince ...”
Acts 3:15 KJB - “... the Prince of Life ...”
Acts 5:31 KJB - “... a Prince and a Saviour ...”
Revelation 1:5 KJB - “... Jesus Christ … Prince of the Kings of the Earth ...”

Additionally, in Joshua 5:14,15 KJB, we see the word “Captain”, which is translated from the same Hebrew word [H8269] “שׂר”, “śar”, being translated as “Prince” in Isaiah 9:6; Daniel 8:11,25, 10:13,21, 12:1 KJB:

Joshua 5:13 KJB - And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?

Joshua 5:14 KJB - And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?

Joshua 5:15 KJB - And the captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.

[2.] The Wicked [Satan/Dragon/Serpent/Devil/Lucifer, etc], the usurping “prince” who is a creature, created [as Lucifer] by the Son of the Father.

Daniel 10:13 KJB - “... the prince of the kingdom of Persia ...”
Daniel 10:20 KJB - “... the prince of Persia ...”
Matthew 9:34 KJB - “... devils through the prince of the devils.”
Matthew 12:24 KJB - “... cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.”
Mark 3:22 KJB - “... Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devil.”
John 12:31 KJB - “... the prince of this world ...”
John 14:30 KJB - “... the prince of this world ...”
John 16:11 KJB - “... the prince of this world is judged.”
Romans 8:38 KJB - For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Ephesians 2:2 KJB - “... the prince of the power of the air ...”
Ephesians 3:10 KJB - To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
Ephesians 6:12 KJB - “... against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places] ...”
Colossians 1:16 KJB - “... thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers ...”
Colossians 2:15 KJB - “... principalities and powers ...”

Therefore it may be seen, that Gabriel refers to Michael/Jesus as “... one of the chief princes ...” so identifying Him as the ruler/captain/leader over the forces of Light, and referred to Satan as the other “prince” over the forces of Darkness who had “withstood” himself:

Daniel 10:13 KJB - But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

Daniel 10:20 KJB - Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come.

Jesus/Michael and Satan/Dragon, are the “Princes” over their forces in the great controversy:

Revelation 12:7 KJB - And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

Revelation 12:8 KJB - And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Revelation 12:9 KJB - And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Is there any further considerations about how Jesus/Michael is “... one of the chief princes ...”?

Yes. Since the word that is translated as “prince” means one who rules [Exodus 2:14, etc. KJB] we can see how Jesus/Michael is yet “Prince of princes” [Daniel 8:25 KJB], even “Prince of the Kings of the Earth” [Revelation 1:5 KJB]. Who are these other “princes”?

[1] There are many High priests, and chief shepherds of the Temple, whom are called the “princes” [H8269] of the sanctuary, and Jesus is the High priest, the Chief Shepherd over them all, though He be one of many “brethren” [Hebrews 2:11 KJB]:

Isaiah 43:28 KJB - Therefore I have profaned the princes of the sanctuary, and have given Jacob to the curse, and Israel to reproaches.

Ezra 8:24 KJB - Then I separated twelve of the chief of the priests, Sherebiah, Hashabiah, and ten of their brethren with them,

Ezra 8:29 KJB - Watch ye, and keep them, until ye weigh them before the chief of the priests and the Levites, and chief of the fathers of Israel, at Jerusalem, in the chambers of the house of the LORD.

Ezra 10:5 KJB - Then arose Ezra, and made the chief priests, the Levites, and all Israel, to swear that they should do according to this word. And they sware.

Notice that Gabriel identifies this priestly aspect of Jesus/Michael, as the “great prince” who “stands for” the children of Israel, and intercedes for them before the Father and saves them from their troubles and enemies:

Daniel 10:21 KJB - But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.

Daniel 12:1 KJB - And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

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[2] God's own people, His children, as a whole, are called “princes”, and thus Jesus is “Prince of princes” [Daniel 8:25 KJB], even “Prince of the Kings of the Earth” [Revelation 1:5 KJB], and thus Jesus/Michael is ruler over a whole spiritual nation of people, even as Satan/Dragon is “prince”, even ruler, over his own carnal nation:

The Heavenly:

Genesis 23:5 KJB - And the children of Heth answered Abraham, saying unto him,

Genesis 23:6 KJB - Hear us, my lord: thou art a mighty prince among us: in the choice of our sepulchres bury thy dead; none of us shall withhold from thee his sepulchre, but that thou mayest bury thy dead.

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[3] Finally, Jesus/Michael is the archangel, the arch-prince, over all other archangels and angels the very princes of the Father, whether they are beings like the lesser arch-angel Gabriel, the covering cherub, or beings of other unfallen worlds, or beings, like prophets [Haggai 1:13; Malachi 3:1 KJB], priests [Malachi 2:7 KJB], kings [2 Samuel 19:27 KJB] and apostles, of this fallen world.

Though there are many Generals in an army, there is a vast difference between the lead General/Captain and the many under generals of various ranks. For instance, though Jesus is directly called “Apostle” [Hebrews 3:1 KJB] of the Father, it does not make the other 12 apostles [Matthew 10:2; Luke 22:14; Revelation 21:14 KJB] equal in nature or status to JEHOVAH, but rather they are all mere under-apostles to the great Apostle, making Him, “one of the chief princes” [Daniel 10:13 KJB], for He is not ashamed to call us “brethren” [Hebrews 2:11 KJB], nor share His throne [Revelation 3:21 KJB] with those who overcome, even as He overcame.

John 20:21 KJB - Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

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Again, that is just an excerpt.

Seriously, please take the time to consider another point of view, which was held by practically the whole of the Reformation, and all the way back to apostolic times by the faithful, even untio Meilio of Sardis.

I thoroughly document with original language and document citations where was possible, see:

For the details:

Michael the archangel [11] - Messengers of the LORD & the Reformation & etc

For the short of it:

Michael the archangel [X2] - Appendix 2 – The Short Historical List of those who taught Jesus is Michael

Ironhold · Apr 10, 2018

Phoebe Ann said:
Where in the Bible does it say that only Mormon baptisms are recognized by God?

If anyone and everyone can baptize, then why did Jesus go out of his way to track down John the Baptist?

LDS Why don't Mormon missionaries hand out the tripple combination?

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