Why Christ never came to save everybody ! !

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( 12 ) : ” DID CHRIST COME TO SAVE EVERYBODY ? “
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JOHN 18 ( 37 ) : ” FOR THIS CAUSE CAME I INTO THE WORLD , THAT I SHOULD BEAR WITNESS UNTO THE TRUTH : EVERYONE THAT IS OF THE TRUTH HEARETH MY VOICE ! ” What does : Everyone that is OF THE TRUTH mean in this verse ? Is not everyone of the truth : Or are just a select few OF THE TRUTH ? Over and over Christ repeated : He that hath ears to hear, let him hear ! Was it not possible for all to hear, or are just a select few enabled to hear ? Christ said that his sheep could hear his voice , but others could not hear his word : JOHN 10 ( 27 ) : ” My sheep hear my voice . ” and JOHN 8 ( 43 ) : ” Why do you not understand my speech , even because you ” CANNOT ” hear my word . ” So then , how are some able to hear, and others CANNOT ? : MATTHEW 11 ( 25 ) : ” I thank thee o father , Lord of heaven and earth , because THOU HAST HID THESE THINGS from the wise and prudent , and HAST REVEALED THEM UNTO BABES . ” and MATTHEW 13 ( 11 ) : ” It is GIVEN UNTO YOU to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven , but TO THEM IT IS NOT GIVEN ! ” Christ clearly said in these verses that God has purposely hidden his truth from some and revealed it unto others . JOHN 12 ( 39&40 ) : ” 39 : ” Therefore THEY COULD NOT BELIEVE , because that Esaias said again . ” 40 : ” HE hath blinded their eyes and hardened their heart that they should not see . ” These two verses clearly state that there are those who just CANNOT , not would not , but COULD NOT believe because GOD CLOSED THEIR HEARTS , AND HARDENED THEIR HEARTS ! ” JOHN 6 ( 44 ) : ” No man can come to me EXCEPT THE FATHER DRAW HIM . ” and JOHN 6 ( 37 ) : ” ALL THAT THE FATHER GIVETH ME shall come to me . ” and PSALMS 65 ( 4 ) : ” Blessed is the man whom THOU CHOOSEST AND CAUSEST TO APPROACH UNTO THEE ! ” : These verses clearly state that ONLY THOSE THAT GOD DRAWS OR CHOOSES CAN COME TO CHRIST : NOT EVERYBODY ! CHRIST CLEARLY STATED THAT HE WAS NOT HERE FOR ALL , but only certain chosen ones : JOHN 13 ( 18 ) : ” I speak NOT OF YOU ALL , I know WHOM I HAVE CHOSEN ! ” MATTHEW 22 ( 14 ) : ” Many are called but FEW ARE CHOSEN ! ” : Christ clearly stated here that his people were CHOSEN , and that they were THE FEW , NOT EVERYBODY ! These few chosen are referred to in the bible as THE ELECT : MARK 13 ( 20 ) : ” FOR THE ELECT’S SAKE , WHOM HE HATH CHOSEN. “, and CHRIST CAME HERE ONLY FOR THIS ELECT, and does things ONLY FOR THIS ELECT . NOT THE WHOLE WORLD : MARK 13 ( 20 ) : ” And except that the Lord had shortened those days , no flesh should be saved , but FOR THE ELECT’S SAKE , WHOM HE HATH CHOSEN , he hath shortened the days . ” and MATTHEW 24 ( 31 ) : ” He shall send his angels , and they shall gather together HIS ELECT from the four winds . ” CHRIST PRAYS ONLY FOR HIS ELECT , NOT THE WORLD : JOHN 17 ( 9 ) : ” I pray for THEM , I PRAY NOT FOR THE WORLD , but for THEM WHICH THOU HAST GIVEN ME . ” Christ also told us not to give his pearls of truth to everybody but just for his elect : MATTHEW 7 ( 6 ) : ” Give not that which is holy unto the dogs , neither cast ye your pearls before swine . ” He told us go rather to the lost sheep, NOT EVERYBODY ! So this teaching in the main stream churches that Christ loves everybody , and came to save everybody is just another one of their endless lies : ROMANS 9 ( 13&18 ) : 13 : ” As it is written : Jacob have I loved BUT ESAU HAVE I HATED . ” 18 : ” Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy , and whom he will HE HARDENETH . ” If it were true that Christ came to save everybody, this would mean that Christ was a failure because obviously millions reject Christ and are not saved : BUT THE REAL TRUTH IS THAT CHRIST CAME ONLY FOR HIS ELECT , AND NONE OF THEM ARE LOST, AND CHRIST IS A 100% SUCCESS IN HIS TRUE MINISTRY IN HIS ELECT : JOHN 6 ( 39 ) : ” This is the father’s will , that OF ALL WHICH HE HATH GIVEN ME I SHOULD ” LOSE NOTHING ! “
 
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And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for The Whole World.
• 1 John 2:2

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If it were true that Christ came to save everybody, this would mean that Christ was a failure because obviously millions reject Christ and are not saved : BUT THE REAL TRUTH IS THAT CHRIST CAME ONLY FOR HIS ELECT , AND NONE OF THEM ARE LOST,

John 3:16 is probably about the most well known verse in the world. Please, go ahead and try to convince me that "whosoever believeth" does not mean everyone/anyone who believes.

At the same time, I'd like to also turn your eyes here....

Hebrews 10:25-27
1 Timothy 4:1-2
2 Timothy 4:3-4
2 Thessalonians 1:8-9

Please show me how you are an elect "once saved always saved" and will never fail. These verses to me seem like even a Christian can fall should they choose to do so.
 
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And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for The Whole World.
• 1 John 2:2

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Amen!

And of course

1 John 4: 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son as Savior of the world.

John 12:32 - " will draw ALL mankind unto me"

2 Peter 3
9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
 
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John 3:16 is probably about the most well known verse in the world. Please, go ahead and try to convince me that "whosoever believeth" does not mean everyone/anyone who believes.

At the same time, I'd like to also turn your eyes here....

Hebrews 10:25-27
1 Timothy 4:1-2
2 Timothy 4:3-4
2 Thessalonians 1:8-9

Please show me how you are an elect "once saved always saved" and will never fail. These verses to me seem like even a Christian can fall should they choose to do so.

Amen! - and so also

Gal 5: 4 You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
 
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John 3:16 is probably about the most well known verse in the world. Please, go ahead and try to convince me that "whosoever believeth" does not mean everyone/anyone who believes.

At the same time, I'd like to also turn your eyes here....

Hebrews 10:25-27
1 Timothy 4:1-2
2 Timothy 4:3-4
2 Thessalonians 1:8-9

Please show me how you are an elect "once saved always saved" and will never fail. These verses to me seem like even a Christian can fall should they choose to do so.
Acts 13(48): AS MANY as were ordained unto eternal life believed ! And only them , not everybody : As many!
 
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John 3:16 is probably about the most well known verse in the world. Please, go ahead and try to convince me that "whosoever believeth" does not mean everyone/anyone who believes.

At the same time, I'd like to also turn your eyes here....

Hebrews 10:25-27
1 Timothy 4:1-2
2 Timothy 4:3-4
2 Thessalonians 1:8-9

Please show me how you are an elect "once saved always saved" and will never fail. These verses to me seem like even a Christian can fall should they choose to do so.
Of all that the father giveth me I should lose nothing : not all are given to the father , but those who are cannot fall , because they are kept by the power of God , not themselves !
 
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And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for The Whole World.
• 1 John 2:2

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Mt 13(11): To you it is given : to them it is not given !
 
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Acts 13(148 )AS MANY as were ordained to eternal life believed
as many as had already been chosen by God because of their repentance and faith when they heard the gospel about Jesus believed.

This is like Cornelius, he was already accepted by God and similar to the Ot saints. Then when he heard about Jesus and the truth he was filled with the Holy Ghost. He was ordained to eternal life and he believed and was filled with the spirit.

The apostles were already OT saints belonging to the father before they met Jesus as well, as John 17 shows. When they heard Jesus they followed him. Those who believed already had life those who did not believe exposed that they were not in faith yet.

God had been working on every individual since the day they were born, and if they had already been chosen through their repentance and faith they would believe when they heard the gospel.

It does not mean what you are saying there John.

It can also mean that as many as repented and believed were chosen to eternal life.
 
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as many as had already been chosen by God because of their repentance and faith when they heard the gospel about Jesus believed.

This is like Cornelius, he was already accepted by God and similar to the Ot saints. Then when he heard about Jesus and the truth he was filled with the Holy Ghost. He was ordained to eternal life and he believed and was filled with the spirit.

The apostles were already OT saints belonging to the father before they met Jesus as well, as John 17 shows. When they heard Jesus they followed him. Those who believed already had life those who did not believe exposed that they were not in faith yet.

God had been working on every individual since the day they were born, and if they had already been chosen through their repentance and faith they would believe when they heard the gospel.

It does not mean what you are saying there John.

It can also mean that as many as repented and believed were chosen to eternal life.
And you expose yourself as one not of faith. This is the very reason free will theology is heresy. You exalt your will above Gods will by insinuating that salvation is based upon something God sees in the sinner. You have completely flipped its meaning simply because you cannot receive the word of God for what it says. It actually means what it says. Those ordained to eternal life believed. So another wards, those whom God had chosen to save, through His determinant council and will, believed.. No man can come unto Me except it were given unto him of My Father. John 6:65. So where’s this free will that has the power to come? Man is dead in sin, unable and unwilling to come to Christ... even the things of God KNOWETH NO man, but the Spirit of God. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness to him: NEITHER CAN HE KNOW THEM, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians 2:11-14.
 
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So you’re a universalist? If Christ propitiated for all who ever lived head for head and payed their sin debt, then all head for head would be saved. But I’m sure you’re not saying that correct? So I assume you believe man must do something to make Christ’s atonement effectual correct? Oh the synergist and their work based salvation who are void of faith
 
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And you expose yourself as one not of faith. This is the very reason free will theology is heresy. You exalt your will above Gods will by insinuating that salvation is based upon something God sees in the sinner. You have completely flipped its meaning simply because you cannot receive the word of God for what it says. It actually means what it says. Those ordained to eternal life believed. So another wards, those whom God had chosen to save, through His determinant council and will, believed.. No man can come unto Me except it were given unto him of My Father. John 6:65. So where’s this free will that has the power to come? Man is dead in sin, unable and unwilling to come to Christ... even the things of God KNOWETH NO man, but the Spirit of God. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness to him: NEITHER CAN HE KNOW THEM, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians 2:11-14.
You expose yourself in the heresy.

When Paul and Titus went back to the original churches they planted and he told Titus to "ordain" elders" in every city. The elders they would ordain, were already saved men who had grown in their faith and become mature. Then they ordained them. The faith they had had grown and now they could be ordained.

Also

all OT saints when they heard the gospel believed it.

Peter was already saved before he met Jesus and belonged to the Father John 17 he was already a OT saint who had to repent and believe the truth and who was seeking God's righteousness. But as he had the identity of Jesus revealed to the Father Peter manifested that belief and confessed Jesus as the Son of God. Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. He had to have that faith already in his heart to speak it.

You don't seem to understand these spiritual things. The true Light lighteth every man that cometh into the world John 1:9 KJV. This Light is Christ shining and reproving all men. This Light is there even before men are chosen by God. The excellency of the power is of God and not of us. This Light is that treasure in earthen vessels.

Jesus said he would draw all men unto himself and Paul said God commandeth all men everywhere to repent. We are also told to pray for all men, so if all men are to be prayed for then all men can be have a chance to be saved.

God is drawing and convicting and manifesting that which may be known of him in men since the beginning. Those who in their heart received him when they saw him in the flesh knew who he was.

It is very clear in scripture But you twist and wrest scripture and imply it means what it does not say.

" I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; 2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time."

and

Psalm 34:18
The Lord is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit."

God looks to those who are of a broken spirit and humble and contrite heart. This is brought about by God first shining his Light in the heart, this Light is the word, or seed sown. The work is like a fire and hammer that breaketh the rocks/
 
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You expose yourself in the heresy.

When Paul and Titus went back to the original churches they planted and he told Titus to "ordain" elders" in every city. The elders they would ordain, were already saved men who had grown in their faith and become mature. Then they ordained them. The faith they had had grown and now they could be ordained.

Also

all OT saints when they heard the gospel believed it.

Peter was already saved before he met Jesus and belonged to the Father John 17 he was already a OT saint who had to repent and believe the truth and who was seeking God's righteousness. But as he had the identity of Jesus revealed to the Father Peter manifested that belief and confessed Jesus as the Son of God. Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. He had to have that faith already in his heart to speak it.

You don't seem to understand these spiritual things. The true Light lighteth every man that cometh into the world John 1:9 KJV. This Light is Christ shining and reproving all men. This Light is there even before men are chosen by God. The excellency of the power is of God and not of us. This Light is that treasure in earthen vessels.

Jesus said he would draw all men unto himself and Paul said God commandeth all men everywhere to repent. We are also told to pray for all men, so if all men are to be prayed for then all men can be have a chance to be saved.

God is drawing and convicting and manifesting that which may be known of him in men since the beginning. Those who in their heart received him when they saw him in the flesh knew who he was.

It is very clear in scripture But you twist and wrest scripture and imply it means what it does not say.

" I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; 2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time."
Because one shows evidence of faith doesn’t prove your point. Scriptures clearly teach mans spiritual inability and unwillingness to come to Christ apart from elective grace. You cannot disprove the scriptures so you show examples of believers faith as if their “free” will had anything to do with it. Romans 9:16. All those ordained to eternal life WILL believe. Why? Because all that the Father has given Christ WILL come to Him. John 6. According as He hath CHOSEN us in Him before the foundation of the world.. Ephesians 1:4. You deny that God alone saves apart from mans cooperation because you despise the grace that saves. As you deny election. And the evidence of this salvation is the faith of a believer. God adds to His Church.. as believers are to plant and water. But you don’t believe God alone makes the increase. You cannot give Christ all the glory salvation. Because you find it unfair or unjust for God to choose to show mercy on some and not all. While you elevate the idol of free will
 
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I see an opening post.
Then responses using pretty much just Scripture.
And then.. red herrings, and a few strawmen thrown in
and of course, the usual adhoms.
What the heck John Tower!
If it looks like a duck
and it walks like a duck
And it talks like a duck.
Why fight it?
 
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