Anyone Interested in a General Exposition of the Revelation?

Revealing Times said:

During the Tribulation Period 1/4 of all mankind are killed and that = 1.5 Billion people. Then at the 2nd Woe about 1.2 Billion people are killed via 1/3 of all mankind that's left. The Seals are not opened until the Midway point of the 70th week brother.

Matt. 24:1-6 = from Jesus to 70 AD
Matt. 24:7-14 = the 2000 some odd year Church Age.
Matt. 24:15-31 = the 70th Week or the last 3.5 years of the 70th Week.

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Quickly....You Pre-Tribbers have a VERY HARD TIME explaining the differences between Christ "appearing on Clouds" at the time of The Rapture, and His returning, with his saints ( who all have full stomachs from the wedding supper, btw ), at His 2nd Coming, on white Horses at Armageddon.

Those two descriptions are miles apart from one another AND ARE NOT THE SAME EVENT. My God, you'd have to be a biased reporter from CNN, or MSNBC, to spin those two descriptions to be one and the same !

Spin it any way you want my good man RT, but you cannot justify their huge separation in description. These events are two, completely different events, separated by 3.5 years.

mark kennedy said:

It literally says the two witnesses prophecy 3 1/2 years and that Israel is protected for three and a half years, after they repent and flee the antichrist.

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Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

What is the spiritual condition of the city of Jerusalem in the verse above?

The 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, and the time of the Judgment of the dead with reward for some and destruction for others, is found in Revelation 11:15-18.

Your Bible says the same thing.

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mark kennedy said:

It's says the kingdoms of man have become the kingdom of God, The seals were the right and title, the trumpets were the first judgment reigned down directly. It doesn't say God was taking control or the his enemies are defeated, God is laying siege to the powers and principalities. Satan offered Jesus all the kingdoms of the earth in exchange for worshiping him. Yet he was already King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

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The Seals are the Judgment from my perspective, since everything is released by Jesus. The Trumpets come from the 7th Seal thus Jesus RELEASED that also and the Vials come from the 7th Trumpet which is the 3rd Woe so Jesus released that also. All of the the Judgments are thus Gods Wrath, because everything God does has a symmetry to it. Allowing a Man/Beast/Anti-Christ to rule the world and to kill billions is a JUDGMENT against the world as far as I am concerned.

As per Rev. chapter 11 its just like Rev. ch. 19, its not a part of the chronology of Revelation.

Its a set-a-side, a parenthetical citation of the Two-witnesses and their actions from start to finish. They measure the temple and the sanctuary but are told to not to measure the court for it will be given to the Gentiles, so what does this even mean? Well what are the Two-witnesses doing? Witnessing of course, the measuring of the temple is basically God telling them who to preach or Witness to. They are to witness to the Jews in Jerusalem for 1260 days (Temple and the Sanctuary), they arrive at the 1335, 75 days before the Anti-Christ conquers Jerusalem. They leave the outer court alone meaning they don't try to convert Gentiles.

When they are finished witnessing they will be killed by Apollyon, the demon released from the bottomless pit. But only after the Second Woe is finished, thus we have to go back to the Second Woe and see what it was. My contention is that the 200 million horsemen are an Army of God which would match their parameters so to speak.

Rev. 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Rev. 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk

So these Two-witnesses are HATED because they are bringing forth these plagues. Back in chapter 8 at the start of the Trumpets it is stated that the Prayers of the Saints were offered on the golden alter before God in Heaven as incense and then mixed with Fire and hurled back down to earth as Judgments. Thus the Two-witnesses are praying down the Seven Trumpet Judgments, the last three of which are Woes, thus even when they are killed and lay in the streets for 3 1/2 days and are then raised, the parenthetical citation needs to continue, because the Seven Vials come forth from the 3rd Woe, which the Two-witnesses seemingly prayed down.

So to finish out the full story of the Two-witnesses we need to tell what happens after the 3rd Woe, which is all Seven Vials wrapped into one Woe. So naturally to finish the parenthetical citation out after the Seven Vials come to pass (which is Jesus landing on Mt Zion and destroying the Beast and all his Armies) there has to be a finish to the story. Jesus wrests control of this world from Satan after the Seventh Vial right? Of course, so since the Two-witnesses prayed down these Trumpet Plagues, and thus Jesus released them at the 1260, 75 days after the Two-witnesses show up at the 1335, the Two-witnesses pray for Israel (Temple and the Sanctuary) and come against the Gentiles via Plagues, thus Jesus opens the Seals and Releases all of the Judgments.

So Jesus wresting control of this world has to be a part of the Two-witnesses story in this parenthetical citation. It has nothing to do with the chronological order of the book of Revelation, the 2nd Woe happens in Rev. ch. 9, the 3rd Woe happens in Rev. ch. 16 via the Seven Vials which are the 3rd Woe.

So its only telling us what happens after the Seventh Vial, and that is Jesus takes the world over from Satan. But this is about the 1260 days of the Two-witnesses. So there are no simultaneous fulfillment's. These parenthetical citations seemingly just confuse people.

Archmike said:

Quickly....You Pre-Tribbers have a VERY HARD TIME explaining the differences between Christ "appearing on Clouds" at the time of The Rapture, and His returning, with his saints ( who all have full stomachs from the wedding supper, btw ), at His 2nd Coming, on white Horses at Armageddon.

Those two descriptions are miles apart from one another AND ARE NOT THE SAME EVENT. My God, you'd have to be a biased reporter from CNN, or MSNBC, to spin those two descriptions to be one and the same !

Spin it any way you want my good man RT, but you cannot justify their huge separation in description. These events are two, completely different events, separated by 3.5 years.

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Firstly, there needs to be no spin just because some do not understand Gods plans which are evident to me.

Secondly it seems like you do't quite get the Marriage Supper either. Jesus gives 15 signs in Matthew 24, one of them is the eagles will be gathered where the Carcass is at. Then in Rev. ch. 19 we see all he fowls eating the flesh of the of those defeated at Armageddon, THAT is the Marriage Supper, its of course a Metaphor, the Marriage Supper is the victory over the wicked. WATCH:

Rev. 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven (Church/Bride), Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

The Marriage supper happens ON EARTH after the Marriage of the Lamb to the Church in Heaven! Please tell me how that can even happen without a pre tribulation rapture. I can't of course.

Revealing Times said:

Jesus gives 15 signs in Matthew 24, one of them is the eagles will be gathered where the Carcass is at.

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You want metaphors, RT ?

Christ is telling this ET's generation that reporters from the major world news networks ( vultures / eagles ) will be running after reports of sightings of Christ Second Coming all over the world ( like vultures seeking after dead carcasses ).....but, in essence they are seeking after dead carcasses.....because those sightings involve people who ARE DEAD IN CHRIST.

There is your metaphor, sir !

Read the passages in Mt 24 before and after the vultures / dead carcasses passage

mark kennedy said:

It's says the kingdoms of man have become the kingdom of God, The seals were the right and title, the trumpets were the first judgment reigned down directly. It doesn't say God was taking control or the his enemies are defeated, God is laying siege to the powers and principalities.

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Oh, I disagree greatly. When that 7th Trumpet blows, it's all over. Only The Father through His Son will be reigning over the nations, as that's what His reign is about:

Rev 11:18
18 And the nations were angry, and Thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto Thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear Thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
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That happens right after that 7th Trumpet, and those events only occur at Christ's second coming at the very end of this world. Thus your doctrine does not align with God's Holy Writ. And thusly, the rest of your doctrine falls by the wayside.

Archmike said:

You want metaphors, RT ?

Christ is telling this ET's generation that reporters from the major world news networks ( vultures / eagles ) will be running after reports of sightings of Christ Second Coming all over the world ( like vultures seeking after dead carcasses ).....but, in essence they are seeking after dead carcasses.....because those sightings involve people who ARE DEAD IN CHRIST.

There is your metaphor, sir !

Read the passages in Mt 24 before and after the vultures / dead carcasses passage

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Mmmm no, I just gave you what it means, you preconceived notions don't hold water brother.

Let me put is all together for you in a tidy package. For starters what Jesus is saying to the Jews in Matthew 24 is not to go unto these FAKE CHRISTS/FALSE PROPHETS in the desert or secret chambers, because BEHOLD I have told you beforehand where I will be COMING FROM :WATCH !

Matt. 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible(its not), they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before. (Christ has WARNED them before hand)

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

The very next verses of course say Jesus will return IMMEDIATELY AFTER the Tribulation, thus he will come out of the EASTERN SKIES, and you can thus find him where the EAGLES are GATHERED at the CARCASS !!

So where is the Eagles gathered a the Carcass?

Rev. 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

Where is the CARCASS going to be at? Armageddon brother.

Don't you get it? Since Jesus is telling them where he will be coming from, where they should expect to see him at, and where they shouldn't look for him (Desert/Secret Chambers) then he tells them a few clues. One of hem is where the EAGLES (FOWLS In Rev. 19) will be gathered, where the Carcass is at. Well the Carcass is a Metaphor for the dead people of Armageddon. So Jesus will come out of the EASTERN SKIES, and you will find him at Armageddon where the Carcass is at.

I don't know where you got reporters from brother. It might be Don Lemmon

Archmike said:

Quickly....You Pre-Tribbers have a VERY HARD TIME explaining the differences between Christ "appearing on Clouds" at the time of The Rapture, and His returning, with his saints ( who all have full stomachs from the wedding supper, btw ), at His 2nd Coming, on white Horses at Armageddon.

Those two descriptions are miles apart from one another AND ARE NOT THE SAME EVENT. My God, you'd have to be a biased reporter from CNN, or MSNBC, to spin those two descriptions to be one and the same !

Spin it any way you want my good man RT, but you cannot justify their huge separation in description. These events are two, completely different events, separated by 3.5 years.

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You desire a mid-trib rapture?
Then explain how it is that the Anti-Christ conquers the holy people. Revelation 13:7, Daniel 7:25 and Zechariah 14:1-2

mark kennedy said:

I'm well aware of what it says, the trumpets are sounded from chapter 8-11:

Trumpet (T)
T1: 1/3 of the earth burned up
T2: 1/3 of the sea turned to blood
T3: 1/3 of the waters turned to blood
T4: 1/3 of the heavens struck
T5: Demonic host released from the abyss
T6: The 4 angles are released at the Euphrates

At this point it's been over three years since the seals were opened. Following the first six Trumpet blasts the two witnesses are said to have prophesied 3 1/2 years. This is where the Olivete Discourse describes the, "abomination of desolation" (Dan. 9;27; 11:31; 12:11; Matt. 24:15-15; Mark 13:14; Luke 21:20-21). Israel repents and flees the persecution of the Antichrist after having been lulled into a false sense of security from something called the covenant with death. They will accept the one who comes in his own name (John 5:43). Half way through the tribulation period the Antichrist breaks the covenant (Daniel 9:27), proclaiming himself to be God (2 Thess. 2:4). Israel repents and mourns as for a first begotten son (Zech. 12:10; 13:1; 14:3-4, 9).

Now while the kingdoms of earth have become the kingdom of God, that means his by right and title. It doesn't say that the two beasts and Babylon are destroyed, on the contrary, they are having a big gathering. Anyone who doesn't take the mark and worship the image of the beast is beheaded. The Scriptures are explicit that this is three and a half years into the tribulation, "I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days" (Rev. 11:3). They also explicitly say Israel will be protected 3 1/2 years until the return of Christ, "where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days" (Rev. 12:6). So what about this passage?

And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become (G1096 Greek γίνομαι ginomai) the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. (Rev. 11:15)
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So what does it mean to 'become' the kingdom's of our Lord? Most often it is translated 'arise, arose...etc, it literally means, "to be becoming, seemly, fit."

Arise, Arose, Arouse, Raise, Rise, Rouse:

"to become, to take place," is sometimes suitably translated "arise;" e.g., Mat 8:24; Mar 4:37, "there arose a great tempest." So of the arising of persecution, Matt. 13:21; Mark 4:17; this might be translated "taketh place;" of a tumult, Matt. 27:24, RV, "arising," for AV, "made;" of a flood, Luke 6:48; a famine, Luke 15:14; a questioning, John 3:25; a murmuring, Act 6:1; a tribulation, Act 11:19 (RV); a stir in the city, Act 19:23; a dissension, Act 23:7; a great clamor, Act 23:9. (G1096 Greek γίνομαι ginomai)​

It means the Kingdom of God is imminent, or becoming fit (See Become). The Kingdom of God has arouse, it does not say that the process is complete. That won't happen until after the vials of wrath, the battle of Armageddon and the return of Christ.

Grace and peace,
Mark

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Somehow you got through all of the above without mentioning "the time of the judgment of the dead" with reward for some, and destruction for others in Revelation 11:18.



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mark kennedy said:

When it speaks of the time (G2540 καιρός kairos), 'of the judgment of the dead'. The word is also translated 'season' or opportunity. There is nothing in this text indicating this is judgment day.

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Nothing in the text, except "the time of the judgment of the dead".

All false doctrines are revealed by the scripture they must ignore to make it work.
This is an excellent example.

Revelation 11:18

(CJB) "The Goyim raged. But now your rage has come, the time for the dead to be judged, the time for rewarding your servants the prophets and your holy people, those who stand in awe of your name, both small and great. It is also the time for destroying those who destroy the earth."

(ESV) The nations raged, but your wrath came, and the time for the dead to be judged, and for rewarding your servants, the prophets and saints, and those who fear your name, both small and great, and for destroying the destroyers of the earth."

(Geneva) And the Gentiles were angrie, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they shoulde be iudged, and that thou shouldest giue reward vnto thy seruants the Prophets, and to the Saintes, and to them that feare thy Name, to small and great, and shouldest destroy them, which destroy the earth.

(Greek NT TR) και τα εθνη ωργισθησαν και ηλθεν η οργη σου και ο καιρος των νεκρων κριθηναι και δουναι τον μισθον τοις δουλοις σου τοις προφηταις και τοις αγιοις και τοις φοβουμενοις το ονομα σου τοις μικροις και τοις μεγαλοις και διαφθειραι τους διαφθειροντας την γην

(GW) The nations were angry, but your anger has come. The time has come for the dead to be judged: to reward your servants, the prophets, your holy people, and those who fear your name, no matter if they are important or unimportant, and to destroy those who destroy the earth."

(LITV-TSP) And the nations were full of wrath; and Your wrath came, and the time of the judging of the dead, and to give the reward to Your slaves, to the prophets, and to the saints, and to the ones fearing Your name, to the small and to the great, and to destroy those destroying the earth.

(KJV) And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

(KJV+) AndG2532 theG3588 nationsG1484 were angry,G3710 andG2532 thyG4675 wrathG3709 is come,G2064 andG2532 theG3588 timeG2540 of theG3588 dead,G3498 that they should be judged,G2919 andG2532 that thou shouldest giveG1325 rewardG3408 unto thyG4675 servantsG1401 theG3588 prophets,G4396 andG2532 to theG3588 saints,G40 andG2532 them that fearG5399 thyG4675 name,G3686 smallG3398 andG2532 great;G3173 andG2532 shouldest destroyG1311 them which destroyG1311 theG3588 earth.G1093

(NKJV) The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, And those who fear Your name, small and great, And should destroy those who destroy the earth."

(YLT) and the nations were angry, and Thine anger did come, and the time of the dead, to be judged, and to give the reward to Thy servants, to the prophets, and to the saints, and to those fearing Thy name, to the small and to the great, and to destroy those who are destroying the land.'

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mark kennedy said:

No it's not, Rev. 11 is in Jerusalem, the celebration over Babylon's fall won't happen for 3 1/2 years.

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I never said Rev. 11 (Two-witnesses) didn't happen in Jerusalem brother, I just stated its not a part of the chronological order of the book of Revelation.

Oh, you are referring to Babylon falling. Well the the 7th Trumpet is ALL SEVEN VIALS or the 3rd Woe. You do realize that right?

The Two-witnesses don't show up during the 2nd Woe they show up before that, so this is a 1260 day "Report" about the Two-witnesses. It runs from the 1335 until they DIE at the 2nd Woe 75 days before the Beast dies at the end of the 3rd Woe.

Thus when it says the 7th Trumpet blew, that means the 3rd Woe took place and God/Jesus announced he was taking over.

Rev. 11 is a PARENTHETICAL CITATION.

It runs for the full 1335 days thats left when the Two-witness show up.

mark kennedy said:

What your missing is what the word means, that the judgment of the dead is imminent and time in that sense is a period leading up to final judgment. I've done that comparative translations and actually looked up the word in a lexicon.

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So have I.

The time of the judgment of the dead is described below by Christ.
In the passage below we find the resurrection of the dead bracketed by verses about Christ being the judge.

Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

Here we also find reward for some and destruction for others.

The timing of the event above is found in Revelation 11:18.

The Book of Revelation is not in chronological order.

The Second Coming is found at the end of chapter 6, with the same signs in the sun, moon, and stars found in the Olivet Discourse and those hiding from the wrath of the Lamb.
They would not be hiding unless the Lamb is present at this point.
Some of the same characters are found in chapter 19.
"captains", "mighty men", "free", and "bond".

It is found at the end of chapter 11 with the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, and "the time of the judgment of the dead" in Revelation 11:15-18.

It is found in the "harvest" of chapter 14.

It is found when He comes "as a thief" at Armageddon in Revelation 16:15-16.

It is found in chapter 19.

Chapter 12 begins with a review of Church history, which includes the birth and death of the "man-child" who will rule with a rod of Iron.
We find in Psalm 2 that the "man-child" is Christ.
In the Book of Matthew we are told that Joseph took the Christ-child and His mother to Egypt for a time to escape Herod's effort to destroy the child, as soon as He was delivered.

Those who insist the Book of Revelation is in chronological order will never get it right.
It only produces the confusion often seen on this forum.

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mark kennedy said:

The two witnesses prophecy for 1260 days, 3 1/2 years. In the aftermath of the abomination that causes desolation the Jew flee Jerusalem and the 'flood' of an army in hot pursuit. They are provided for and protected 1260 days, 3 1/2 years. Those are direct references to explicit periods of time in the immediate context.

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The Two-witnesses show up at the 1335, before the Beast conquers Jerusalem at the 1260. My point is since they show up before the Beast (Day of the Lord) they must die before the Beast dies, thus they die at the end of the 2nd Woe, the Beast dies 75 days later at the end of the 7th Vial which is a part of the 3rd Woe.

As Per Rev. ch. 11, it is a parenthetical citation about the whole 1335 days from the time the Two-witness show up until Jesus Returns (Second Coming) and along the way the Two-witnesses die 75 days before the 1335 ends. But we are shown what happens after the 7th Trump is blown, what we are not shown is the inter-workings/the plagues that the 7th Trumpet brings to pass, we are just told the 7th Trumpet sounds and thus the 3rd Woe comes quickly. Well we are also not told the details here of the 2nd Woe are we? Nor the details of the 1st Woe either for that matter. That's the whole point. This chapter is about the Two-witnesses whole ministry and the results of Jesus' second coming at the end of the 7th Trumpet which is the 3rd Woe that was to come quickly, which is all Seven Vials. The action via the Vials are not shown in this chapter, just like the action via the 2nd Woe is not shown because this is a PARENTHETICAL CITATION. WATCH THIS:

Rev. 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15 And the seventh angel sounded (This is the 3rd Woe that COMETH QUICKLY); and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ(7th Vial is poured out by this time); and he shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come(Rev. 16:19), and the time of the dead, that they should be judged (happens 1000 years later at 2nd Resurrection), and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

That's the whole point, Rev. ch. 11 is not a part of the chronological order of the book of Revelation, its a parenthetical citation. Heck its speaking about the wicked dead being judged which happens at the 2nd resurrection in 1000 years.

Every event in this chapter happened in another chapter as for as the "TIMING GOES". The 2nd Woe happened in Rev. ch. 9, the 3rd Woe happened in Rev. ch. 16 which I suspect should be Rev. ch. 10, nevertheless the 7th Trumpet is the 3rd Woe. This chapter has no new details as per the timing of the Seven Seals, Trumpets or Vials.

mark kennedy said:

The seventh trumpet introduces the vials of wrath, they are not actually poured out till sometime close to the end of the tribulation period.

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Not in this instance, just as the 2nd Woe us not described here, neither is the 3rd Woe, but it COMETH QUICKLY is stated, meaning the Vials came to pass but the details were LEFT OFF just like the details of the 2nd Woe were left off when it was mentioned earlier. That's because this chapters IS NOT about the Trumpets, Woes or Vials, its about the 1260 Day ministry of the Two-witnesses, and the 75 day period after they die up until Jesus' Second Coming. Its expressly DESCRIBED !! Jesus thus takes over !! The 7th Trumpet stands for the 3rd Woe passing quickly. Thus the Seven Vials have been poured out without specifically being mentioned, just like the 2nd Woe plagues are not specifically mentioned here.

mark kennedy said:

They prophecy 1260 days:

And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.” (Rev. 11:3)

Then at the conclusion of their time of prophecy they are killed:

Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them. (Rev. 11:7)
The timeline is explicit, they are killed after their 3 1/2 year ministry.

Grace and peace,

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I explained it above. This is a PARENTHETICAL CITATION, not a part of the book of Revelation chronological order.

Revealing Times said:

Mmmm no, I just gave you what it means, you preconceived notions don't hold water brother.

Let me put is all together for you in a tidy package. For starters what Jesus is saying to the Jews in Matthew 24 is not to go unto these FAKE CHRISTS/FALSE PROPHETS in the desert or secret chambers, because BEHOLD I have told you beforehand where I will be COMING FROM :WATCH !

Matt. 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible(its not), they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before. (Christ has WARNED them before hand)

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

The very next verses of course say Jesus will return IMMEDIATELY AFTER the Tribulation, thus he will come out of the EASTERN SKIES, and you can thus find him where the EAGLES are GATHERED at the CARCASS !!

So where is the Eagles gathered a the Carcass?

Rev. 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

Where is the CARCASS going to be at? Armageddon brother.

Don't you get it? Since Jesus is telling them where he will be coming from, where they should expect to see him at, and where they shouldn't look for him (Desert/Secret Chambers) then he tells them a few clues. One of hem is where the EAGLES (FOWLS In Rev. 19) will be gathered, where the Carcass is at. Well the Carcass is a Metaphor for the dead people of Armageddon. So Jesus will come out of the EASTERN SKIES, and you will find him at Armageddon where the Carcass is at.

I don't know where you got reporters from brother. It might be Don Lemmon

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Unfortunately, Christ isn't talking about his SECOND COMING AT ARMAGEDDON in Mt 24:30 & 31. Christ is talking about HIS APPEARING ON CLOUDS WITH GREAT POWER AND GLORY, and he shall gather his elect from one side of heaven to the other. And when does that occur ? "Right after the Tribulation of those days."

Gathering the Elect while Christ stands on the clouds of heaven

IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT

than his second coming when he rides a white horse accompanied by a great multitude of saints also riding on white horses, and he comes and touches down on Earth.

Therein, is your fundamental mistake, my good bro.