Jesus Kept The Law

LoveGodsWord · Apr 7, 2018

1stcenturylady said:
I hope you live close to your church.

I do in fact but why would I need to? I am not going out to collect manna on the Sabbath.

1stcenturylady · Apr 7, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
I do in fact but why would I need to? I am not going out to collect manner on the Sabbath.

I just don't want you to sin.

LoveGodsWord · Apr 7, 2018

1stcenturylady said:
I just don't want you to sin.

You should not worry about me, we need to work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God (Hebrew 10:26-31)

Ok nice chatting with you. I have to go out for a bit but will be back latter :wave:

1stcenturylady · Apr 7, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
You should not worry about me, we need to work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God (Hebrew 10:26-31)

Ok nice chatting with you. I have to go out for a bit but will be back latter

You shouldn't worry about me either, but I KNOW you do. :wave:

Bob S · Apr 7, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Hi Bob,

Now Bob, your a funny one, none of that is true. Seems your just like making things up.

Yes, it would seem like I am making it up for one who is under the control of ellen Your prophet.

Lovely scriptures Bob, thanks for posting. I agree with them and your point is?

So sorry you are not able to comprehend that the Galatians were never under the Sinai covenant and therefore they were not subject to the schoolmaster law. Paul and Barnabas convicted them of the need o Jesus as their Savior.

Is it late your time Bob? How can the Galatians NEVER had the schoolmaster law and not receive the Spirit because they had the Schoolmaster law? Maybe it is time for you to get some rest and talk more latter?

Maybe it is time you stop deriding me. Yes, I made a mistake. Maybe you should not split my thoughts into two parts and then just maybe you could comprehend a little of what i wrote. If I chided you for all your spelling errors........get the point????

Where does it say in God's WORD Abraham never had God's LAW we must read a different bible.

GENESIS 26:5 Because Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. (Note the HEBREW WORD in this scripture LAWS at the end of the verse translates TORAH). Indeed you must be tired get some rest Bob.

Sounds like you have no idea what Israel's Torah was. Abraham wasn't captive in Egypt and he wasn't one who agreed to the Sinai covenant. He wasn't born under the Sinai covenant. Maybe it is you that needs some rest.

Gal3:17 What I mean is this: the law, introduced 430 years later, (after Abraham) does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. 18 For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.

Lovely scriptures Bob, thanks for sharing. I know from past conversations you have a different definition of what it means to be "UNDER THE LAW" You may need to re-visit your definition of what it means to be "UNDER THE LAW". God's definition is that to be "UNDER THER LAW" means to be guilty before God of SIN and breaking it. (see Romans 3:19-20)

Well, according to you the SDAs snuckered me on that one. I was always taught that being under the law meant being subject to the 10 commandments. I was never taught that being under it means to be guilty before God of sin and breaking the law. Is that what Rom 2:19-20 is telling us?

19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

Care to redefine what Romans is telling those who were under the Sinai law? You sure do take a lot of liberty with your paraphrasing. Oh, and since the Galatians were never under the Sinai covenant how could they be held accountable for it???

v25 is not saying that God's LAW is ABOLISHED it is saying that as we have FAITH in God's WORD we are forgiven for our SINS and no longer "UNDER THE LAW" guilty before God of SIN and breaking it because we have been FORGIVEN.

Instead of your interpretation I will stick with the actual words of Paul if you don't mind.

23 Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

If your interpretation was correct then there would no longer be any KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is. This would make PAUL a liar when reading ROMANS 3:20; 31 not to mention most of the NEW TESTAMENT.

Only when you take the verse out of context. Maybe if you read verse 19. No one under the law will be declared righteous for by the law is the knowledge of sin. for those who are under the law. Gentiles didn't have knowledge of the law. They were not under the law. Seriously, I have to check everything you write for accuracy. No wonder Adventism is so screwed up.

If you have NO KNOWLEDGE OF SIN you have NO NEED OF A SAVIOUR. If you have NO NEED OF A SAVIOUR you have NO SALVATION. If you have NO SALVATION you are LOST because you are still in your SINS because you have NO KNOWLEDGE that you are a SINNER in NEED of a SAVIOUR.

Now you are really writing nonsense. I am really tired of correcting your thoughts. It is no wonder you will not come clean on what 2Cor 3:7-11 really means.

Can you see where your current understanding is leading you?

If I didn't correct all the mistakes, putting it lightly, I would, for sure, be allowing you to lead me down the wrong path.

It never has just like any of God's 10 Commandments.

Maybe you should get some rest LGW.

They are the KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT SIN AND RIGHTEOUSNESS is (Romans 3:20; Ps 119:172).

Only to those under the law. Rom 3:19-20

Breaking ANY of God's Commandments however is a salvational issue.

I know you are referring to the 10. If one was under the law, the one that ended at Calvary, then breaking one would be a sin. Not being circumcised would have been a sin for a Jew who was under the law. All of Paul's arguments with Jews were with the ones who didn't believe Jesus and His fulfillment of the Sinai covenant. There remains yet today.......Too bad

The issue is God's LAW written on the heart to LOVE because LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW in those who BELIEVE (Romans 13:8-10) and is why Jesus says if you LOVE me keep my commandments (John 14:15). This is the NEW COVENANT of God's LAW written on the heart to LOVE thorugh FAITH (Hebrews 8:10-12)

There you go again indicating "my commandments" has a 10 in front of it. I wonder what the penalty will be for adding to scripture?

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LoveGodsWord · Apr 8, 2018

Bob S said:
Yes, it would seem like I am making it up for one who is under the control of ellen Your prophet.

Yet here you still are talking about people that have passed away. He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: you therefore do greatly err. (Mark 12:27). I am only sharing God's WORD. They are not my words. Do you have anything from God's WORD to share Bob?

Bob S said:
So sorry you are not able to comprehend that the Galatians were never under the Sinai covenant and therefore they were not subject to the schoolmaster law. Paul and Barnabas convicted them of the need o Jesus as their Savior.

Not at all, it is not the scriptures you shared that I did not understand it was your point which did not make any sense latter when you tried to put your interpretation of the scriptures when you said..

The Galatians NEVER had the schoolmaster law and did not receive the Spirit because they had the Schoolmaster law?

That point you posted above did not make any sense to me.

Bob S said:
Sounds like you have no idea what Israel's Torah was.

Where does it say in God's WORD Abraham never had God's LAW? We must read a different bible.

GENESIS 26:5 Because Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

(Note the HEBREW WORD in this scripture LAWS at the end of the verse translates TORAH).

HEBREW STRONGS DISCTIONARY; meaning LAW; ; tôrâh tôrâh; to-raw', to-raw' תּורה תּרה
From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law.

The Word TORAH does not always mean the 1st x5 books of Moses it can also be used to refer to instructions or teachings and laws of the father. It depends on the context on how the Hebrew word is used.

I am not much for commentaries but found this Hebrew word rendition of Genesis 26:5.

"The Hebrew words God uses here are especially important.

The Lord then added a remarkable note: Abraham ‘kept my requirements [ mismarti ], my commands [ miswotay ], my decrees [ huqqotay ] and my laws [ wetorotay ]’ (v. 5).

“It is remarkable that this is precisely the way in which obedience to the Sinai Covenant is expressed in Deuteronomy 11:1: ‘Love the Lord your God and keep his requirements [ mismarto ], his decrees [ huqqotayw ], his laws [ mispatayw ] and his commands [ miswotayw ]’ . . .

“Thus Abraham is an example of one who shows the law written on his heart (Jeremiah 31:33). He is the writer’s ultimate example of true obedience to the law, the one about whom the Lord could say, ‘Abraham obeyed me’ (v. 5).

Thus, by showing Abraham to be an example of ‘keeping the law,’ the writer has shown the nature of the relationship between the law and faith. Abraham, a man who lived in faith, could be described as one who kept the law” (The Expositor’s Bible Commentary in Vol. 2, 1990, pp. 186-187, emphasis added)

Bob S said:
Abraham wasn't captive in Egypt and he wasn't one who agreed to the Sinai covenant. He wasn't born under the Sinai covenant. Maybe it is you that needs some rest. Gal3:17 What I mean is this: the law, introduced 430 years later, (after Abraham) does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. 18 For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.

"Ditto" see the first post and the section before this. Why would Abraham need to be around in the times of Moses and Egypt to receive God's teachings, instructions and laws? God's people always had them BEFORE Moses and ISREAL became a nation.

Bob S said:
Lovely scriptures Bob, thanks for sharing. I know from past conversations you have a different definition of what it means to be "UNDER THE LAW" You may need to re-visit your definition of what it means to be "UNDER THE LAW". God's definition is that to be "UNDER THE LAW" means to be guilty before God of SIN and breaking it. (see Romans 3:19-20)

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Well, according to you the SDAs snuckered me on that one. I was always taught that being under the law meant being subject to the 10 commandments. I was never taught that being under it means to be guilty before God of sin and breaking the law. Is that what Rom 2:19-20 is telling us? Care to redefine what Romans is telling those who were under the Sinai law? You sure do take a lot of liberty with your paraphrasing. Oh, and since the Galatians were never under the Sinai covenant how could they be held accountable for it???

Maybe you need to read God's WORD for yourself as spiritual things are spiritually discerned. I am not sure what other people are teaching you but we should follow the Word of God over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

Here let me highlight the scriptures for you so you can see God's definition of what it means to be "UNDER THE LAW".

ROMANS 3:19-23 [19], Now we know that what things soever the law said, it said to them who are UNDER THE LAW: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. (Jew and gentile) [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. [21], But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; [22], Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ to all and on all them that believe: for t here is no difference:[23], For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God

God's LAW (10 Commandments) is to give us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is and lead us to JESUS (Gal 3:24-25) that we might be justified (FORGIVEN) by FAITH.

Not being "UNDER THE LAW" means your no longer under the CONDEMNATION of the LAW guilty before God of SIN because you have been FORGIVEN for your SINS.

IF you are still CONTINUING in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN you do not KNOW GOD because you have rejected his GIFT of SALVATION through his Son and you are still in your SINS.

ROMANS 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; ALL who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN WILL be LOST and NOT Enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

God's definition of what it means to be "UNDER THE LAW" from ROMANS 3:19-20 is to be guilty before GOD in SIN because you have broken it...

Bob S said:
Instead of your interpretation I will stick with the actual words of Paul if you don't mind.

Bob I am only sharing with you scripture from Paul's interpretation of what it means to be "UNDER THE LAW" through his own words which conclude the chapter and the deinition in Romans 3:19-29 with...

ROMANS 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? GOD FORBID; YEA WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

Why would God's LAW be abolished if PAUL is telling us it is establsihed through faith?

Seems like even PAUL disagrees with you Bob?

Bob S said:
Only when you take the verse out of context. Maybe if you read verse 19. No one under the law will be declared righteous for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Of course no one is declared righteouss if they have broken God's LAW Bob that is what v19-20 is saying.

ROMANS 3:19-23 [19], Now we know that what things soever the law said, it said to them who are UNDER THE LAW: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. (Jew and gentile) [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

ROMANS 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; ALL who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN WILL be LOST and NOT Enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

Bob S said:
Gentiles didn't have knowledge of the law. They were not under the law. Seriously, I have to check everything you write for accuracy.

True, UNBELIVING Gentiles had no KNOWLEDGE of God's LAW but Gentile BELIEVERS are now grafted in to God's ISRAEL (Romans 11:16-27), and had Moses and the law preached to them every Sabbath (Acts 15:21). Your understanding of what it means to be "UNDER THE LAW is in error. If your sinning against God PAUL says you are UNDER THE LAW because you are guilty before GOD of SIN and knowingly breaking it (see previous sections Romans 3:19-20)

Bob S said:
If you have NO KNOWLEDGE OF SIN you have NO NEED OF A SAVIOUR. If you have NO NEED OF A SAVIOUR you have NO SALVATION. If you have NO SALVATION you are LOST because you are still in your SINS because you have NO KNOWLEDGE that you are a SINNER in NEED of a SAVIOUR.

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Now you are really writing nonsense. I am really tired of correcting your thoughts. It is no wonder you will not come clean on what 2Cor 3:7-11 really means.

Not at all Bob, that is the conclusion of your belief which is that God's LAW has been abolished. If you have no law then you have NO KNOWLEDGE of SIN. This makes PAUL out to be a liar because there would be no need for God's LAW to be established through faith (Romans 3:20; 31)

Bob S said:
If I didn't correct all the mistakes, putting it lightly, I would, for sure, be allowing you to lead me down the wrong path.

Mistakes? I have only shared God's WORD with you. You choose to follow your own in order to follow your tradition. You can choose to BELIEVE or not BELIEVE God's WORD. They are God's WORD not mine. Make no mistake here. It is the WORD of God that will judge us all in the last days. I do not judge you. You are free to believe as you wish (John 12:47-48).

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

DeaconDean · Apr 8, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Hi DD, thanks for your response and your many posts.

I agree that God's LAW is the KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS (good and evil). You could have said that however with 2 scriptures (Romans 3:20; Psalm 119:172).

My question to you that you have still not answered was...

Where in God's WORD does it say God's 4th Commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a HOLY day?

With all your posting you have still not answered the question.

thanks

Bottom line, in the statements from the First Apostolic Council, they very plainly say:

James states very plainly, on the matter of Gnosticism, "ritual observance of the Law imposed by the Jewish Christians, on Gentile Christians":

"Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day. Then pleased it the apostles and elders with the whole church," -Acts 15:19-22 (KJV)

Do not enforce Jewish "Law" upon Gentile Christians.

As far as the Apostles were concerned, the only OT Laws that were still in effect were:

Don't eat food offered to idols.
Stay away from fornicating.
Stay away from anything strangled and blood.

Not to mention that James' proclamation "pleased it the apostles and elders with the whole church".

There was no sentence from the First Apostolic Council that mandated Gentile Christians to "Keep the Sabbath".

Period.

Now if you want to "Keep the Sabbath" in the old "ritual fashion", fine, its no skin off my nose.

But in a very real sense, you trying to enforce a "ritual" keeping of the Sabbath, is no better than those who made accusations at the First Apostolic Council.

Like I said, I will nt be judged, according to scripture, on how well, how much I've kept the Sabbath.

What I will be judged on is has the Blood of the Lamb been applied to me.

I'd rather get into heaven based God's grace, than any type of "Law keeping".

God Bless

Till all are one.

LoveGodsWord · Apr 8, 2018

DeaconDean said:
Bottom line, in the statements from the First Apostolic Council, they very plainly say:

James states very plainly, on the matter of Gnosticism, "ritual observance of the Law imposed by the Jewish Christians, on Gentile Christians":

"Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day. Then pleased it the apostles and elders with the whole church," -Acts 15:19-22 (KJV)

Do not enforce Jewish "Law" upon Gentile Christians.

As far as the Apostles were concerned, the only OT Laws that were still in effect were:

Don't eat food offered to idols.

Stay away from fornicating.

Stay away from anything strangled and blood.

Not to mention that James' proclamation "pleased it the apostles and elders with the whole church".

There was no sentence from the First Apostolic Council that mandated Gentile Christians to "Keep the Sabbath".

Period.

Now if you want to "Keep the Sabbath" in the old "ritual fashion", fine, its no skin off my nose.

But in a very real sense, you trying to enforce a "ritual" keeping of the Sabbath, is no better than those who made accusations at the First Apostolic Council.

Like I said, I will nt be judged, according to scripture, on how well, how much I've kept the Sabbath.

What I will be judged on is has the Blood of the Lamb been applied to me.

I'd rather get into heaven based God's grace, than any type of "Law keeping".

God Bless

Till all are one.

Hi DD,

Thanks for your post. Sooo you have NO SCRIPTURE that says God's 4th Commandment has now been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

DeaconDean · Apr 8, 2018

EastCoastRemnant said:
Here is the fly in the ointment you are peddling... this hubris that man has concocted that somehow transfers the 4th Commandment from the Decalogue to the ceremonial laws. It's a poor sleight of hand, easily spotted by anyone with the remotest knowledge of the difference between the two.

Everybody is entitled to their own opinion.

However, you cannot get around Deut 4:13.

"And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone."

Right there, the Decalogue and the "Torah" were bound in one. God's covenant.

Which, has passed.

We are under a New Covenant.

The Decalogue and the Torah was nothing more than in essence, a "Covenant of Works"

Now, we are under the Covenant of Grace".

Again, no matter how you slice it, on the final day when I stand before God, is He going to look at how well I've kept the Law or will He see Jesus' shed blood applied to me?

I'll take grace any day.

God Bless

Till all are one.

DeaconDean · Apr 8, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Hi DD,

Thanks for your post. Sooo you have NO SCRIPTURE that says God's 4th Commandment has now been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

If you want to ignore the First Apostolic Council, fine by me.

Also, to whom was the entire context of the Decalogue and Torah addressed to?

Hint: It wasn't the Gentiles.

God Bless

Till all are one.

LoveGodsWord · Apr 8, 2018

DeaconDean said:
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion.

However, you cannot get around Deut 4:13.

"And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone."

Right there, the Decalogue and the "Torah" were bound in one. God's covenant.

Which, has passed.

We are under a New Covenant.

The Decalogue and the Torah was nothing more than in essence, a "Covenant of Works"

Now, we are under the Covenant of Grace".

Again, no matter how you slice it, on the final day when I stand before God, is He going to look at how well I've kept the Law or will He see Jesus' shed blood applied to me?

I'll take grace any day.

God Bless

Till all are one.

Hi DD,

I am interested in God's WORD alone (Sola Scriptura)

I think the problem may be in your understanding of what the OLD COVENANT is and how it related to the new. We are indeed in the NEW COVENANT now.

You seem to be mixing up your SHADOW laws from the OLD COVENANT that pointed to Jesus, with God's LAW (10 Commandments) that are eternal and the KNOWEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS and the very standards of the OLD AND NEW COVENANT and the JUDGEMENT to come.

Some scriptures to consider here linking both the OLD and NEW. Inside are more links to a more detailed study in COL 2 for your consideration.

DETAILED SCRIPTURE WAS PROVIDED HERE; CLICK ME
WHAT MAKES UP THE OLD COVENANT; HERE CLICK ME

Hope this helps...

LoveGodsWord · Apr 8, 2018

DeaconDean said:
If you want to ignore the First Apostolic Council, fine by me.

Also, to whom was the entire context of the Decalogue and Torah addressed to?

Hint: It wasn't the Gentiles.

God Bless

Till all are one.

Some helpful scriptures on who God's ISREAL are in the NEW Covenant...

WHO IS GOD'S ISRAEL IN THE NEW COVENANT?

THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE (Galatians 3:28).

No explanation needed, believe God's Word, and again..........

FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED (Romans 9:6).

FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God. (Romans 2:28-29)

God's Israel...............

Galatians 3:28-29, THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Colossians 3:11, WHERE THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Romans 10:11-13, For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEW OR GREEK: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.

Romans 2:28-29, FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY ; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

The New Covenant is for God's Israel..........

Jeremiah 31:33-4,
BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS,AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Hebrews 8:10-12,
BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Hebrews 10:14-17,
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, this is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord, I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS, AND INTO THEOR MINDS WILL I WRITE THEM; and their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Galatians 3:29,
AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAMS SEED AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

The New Covenant is for God's Israel which represent those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God’s WORD. If you are not part of God's Israel you are not part of the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:10-12).

God's Israel are those that believe the Word of God and follow it and is why Jesus says If you love me keep my commandments (John 14:15)

In the NEW COVENANT Gentiles are now grafted in to God's ISRAEL (Romans 11:16-27).

If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL then you have no part in the NEW COVENANT.

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

Bob S · Apr 8, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Hi DD,

Thanks for your post. Sooo you have NO SCRIPTURE that says God's 4th Commandment has now been ABOLISHED

Yes, we have lots of scripture, but the one I like, because it is so plain, from the Holy Writ:
7 "But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not steadfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious."

Last time I checked the Sabbath command was part of the ministration of condemnation

Tell us LGW, since you will not acknowledge that the 10 are no longer our guide are you also denying the remainder of verses 7-11? The ones where Paul wrote "How shall not the ministration of the spirit be more glorious?" and "For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious."

Seems like you have some splainin to do friend.

and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

Strawman argument.

LoveGodsWord · Apr 8, 2018

Bob S said:
Yes, we have lots of scripture, but the one I like, because it is so plain, from the Holy Writ:
7 "But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not steadfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious."

Last time I checked the Sabbath command was part of the ministration of condemnation

Tell us LGW, since you will not acknowledge that the 10 are no longer our guide are you also denying the remainder of verses 7-11? The ones where Paul wrote "How shall not the ministration of the spirit be more glorious?" and "For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious."

Seems like you have some splainin to do friend.

Strawman argument.

Bob your a funny one

Your just making stuff up again.

None of that says God's 4th Commandments has now been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Your mixing up your SHADOWS that point to Jesus with God's eternal law that is FOREVER and the standard of the OLD AND NEW Covenants and the judgement to come.

We are indeed in the NEW COVENANT not the OLD which is what 2 COR 3 is talking about, but as mentioned earlier, it it your understanding of what the OLD is that points to the NEW where you are mixed up as shown in God's WORD (see links below).

DETAILED SCRIPTURE WAS PROVIDED HERE; CLICK ME
WHAT MAKES UP THE OLD COVENANT; HERE CLICK ME

Please feel free to respond to the scripture in the linked posts attached with this post that disagree with you. If your lamp has gone out how will you find your way when the road is dark and narrow?

Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it.

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

Bob S · Apr 8, 2018

Lgw Wrote:

God's LAW (10 Commandments) is to give us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is and lead us to JESUS (Gal 3:24-25) that we might be justified (FORGIVEN) by FAITH.

First of all you have no authority to write that the 10 commandments were God's laws. God's laws to Israel were 613 laws or better known as the Sinai Covenant. If you are going to insist that we be under "God's laws" then you have to include the 603 other laws. Are you an example of one who is doing what you write or are you just telling us we have to do what you write???? Where is your consistency LGW?

Not being "UNDER THE LAW" means your no longer under the CONDEMNATION of the LAW guilty before God of SIN because you have been FORGIVEN for your SINS.

You have to be kidding. Not being under the law means anyone that was not an Israelite. Gentiles were never "under the law", so how in the world could they be under the condemnation of the law? Now you are again making stuff up LGW.

IF you are still CONTINUING in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN you do not KNOW GOD because you have rejected his GIFT of SALVATION through his Son and you are still in your SINS.

When there is no law there is no sin. Gentiles were never under the Sinai covenant, so the laws governing Israel only did not have any bearing on the remainder of God's children. Are you blind to the real truth because of the writings of a known false prophet?

DeaconDean · Apr 8, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Some helpful scriptures on who God's ISREAL are in the NEW Covenant...

WHO IS GOD'S ISRAEL IN THE NEW COVENANT?

THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE (Galatians 3:28).

No explanation needed, believe God's Word, and again..........

FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED (Romans 9:6).

FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God. (Romans 2:28-29)

God's Israel...............

Galatians 3:28-29, THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Colossians 3:11, WHERE THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Romans 10:11-13, For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEW OR GREEK: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.

Romans 2:28-29, FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY ; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

The New Covenant is for God's Israel..........

Jeremiah 31:33-4,
BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS,AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Hebrews 8:10-12,
BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Hebrews 10:14-17,
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, this is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord, I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS, AND INTO THEOR MINDS WILL I WRITE THEM; and their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Galatians 3:29,
AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAMS SEED AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

The New Covenant is for God's Israel which represent those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God’s WORD. If you are not part of God's Israel you are not part of the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:10-12).

God's Israel are those that believe the Word of God and follow it and is why Jesus says If you love me keep my commandments (John 14:15)

In the NEW COVENANT Gentiles are now grafted in to God's ISRAEL (Romans 11:16-27).

If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL then you have no part in the NEW COVENANT.

................

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

Now where have I argued against "spiritual Israel"?

And you still won't recognize that when the Decalogue and the Torah was given, it was given to "corporate Israel".

But, what do I care. You ignore Paul's teachings on the "school master". The ruling of the 1st Apostolic Council. What Paul taught the Church at Corinth.

So here again, I ask you very plainly.

When we get to heaven, is God going to ask us how well we have kept the Sabbath, or is going to look and see if the blood of Jesus has been applied?

Like I said, if you want to stick to ritual observances of the Sabbath, fine. It's no skin off my nose.

Ritualism or Grace?

Grace any day.

God Bless

Till all are one.

DeaconDean · Apr 8, 2018

Bob S said:
When there is no law there is no sin. Gentiles were never under the Sinai covenant, so the laws governing Israel only did not have any bearing on the remainder of God's children. Are you blind to the real truth because of the writings of a known false prophet?

Good point.

Another one to consider is from Jesus' own mouth.

To show Gentiles were excluded under the OT "laws" Jesus told the Samaritan woman:

"Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews." -Jn. 4:22 (KJV)

Not only were Gentiles excluded, they were also "cut off" from the blessings of God.

There is no getting around that passage of scripture.

The "Torah" and the Decalogue was put in place to regulate every facet of Judaism.

Period.

And as long as it was in place, Gentiles were excluded. Period.

God Bless

Till all are one.

Bob S · Apr 8, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Bob your a funny one

Your just making stuff up again.

None of that says God's 4th Commandments has now been ABOLISHED

First of all I didn't write that it has been "abolished" so stop writing things that are not true. What I did was to quote what the Apostle Paul wrote. I pasted the following:
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious."

Those are not my words LGW and if you don't agree with the Apostle Paul then I guess you will have to take it up with him, not me.

and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Broken record.

Your mixing up your SHADOWS that point to Jesus with God's eternal law that is FOREVER and the standard of the OLD AND NEW Covenants and the judgement to come.

Ya Ya, tell that to Paul.

We are indeed in the NEW COVENANT not the OLD

Then quit thumping old covenant laws that were meant only for Israel. Shush!

LoveGodsWord · Apr 8, 2018

DeaconDean said:
Now where have I argued against "spiritual Israel"?

And you still won't recognize that when the Decalogue and the Torah was given, it was given to "corporate Israel".

But, what do I care. You ignore Paul's teachings on the "school master". The ruling of the 1st Apostolic Council. What Paul taught the Church at Corinth.

So here again, I ask you very plainly.

When we get to heaven, is God going to ask us how well we have kept the Sabbath, or is going to look and see if the blood of Jesus has been applied?

Like I said, if you want to stick to ritual observances of the Sabbath, fine. It's no skin off my nose.

Ritualism or Grace?

Grace any day.

God Bless

Till all are one.

Gentiles are now grafted in to God's ISRAEL (Romans 11:16-27) If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you are not a part of the NEW COVENANT (Hebrews 10:8-12)

You mix up your SHADOWS from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT with God's ETERNAL LAW which are the standard of the OLD and the NEW and the Judgement to come.

Where in all of God's WORD does it say God's 4th Commandment has now been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep SUNDAY as a HOLY day?

................

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

1stcenturylady · Apr 8, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Yet here you still are talking about people that have passed away. He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: you therefore do greatly err. (Mark 12:27). I am only sharing God's WORD. They are not my words. Do you have anything from God's WORD to share Bob?

Not at all, it is not the scriptures you shared that I did not understand it was your point which did not make any sense latter when you tried to put your interpretation of the scriptures when you said..

That point you posted above did not make any sense to me.

Where does it say in God's WORD Abraham never had God's LAW? We must read a different bible.

GENESIS 26:5 Because Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

(Note the HEBREW WORD in this scripture LAWS at the end of the verse translates TORAH).

HEBREW STRONGS DISCTIONARY; meaning LAW; ; tôrâh tôrâh; to-raw', to-raw' תּורה תּרה
From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law.

The Word TORAH does not always mean the 1st x5 books of Moses it can also be used to refer to instructions or teachings and laws of the father. It depends on the context on how the Hebrew word is used.

I am not much for commentaries but found this Hebrew word rendition of Genesis 26:5.

"The Hebrew words God uses here are especially important.

The Lord then added a remarkable note: Abraham ‘kept my requirements [ mismarti ], my commands [ miswotay ], my decrees [ huqqotay ] and my laws [ wetorotay ]’ (v. 5).

“It is remarkable that this is precisely the way in which obedience to the Sinai Covenant is expressed in Deuteronomy 11:1: ‘Love the Lord your God and keep his requirements [ mismarto ], his decrees [ huqqotayw ], his laws [ mispatayw ] and his commands [ miswotayw ]’ . . .

“Thus Abraham is an example of one who shows the law written on his heart (Jeremiah 31:33). He is the writer’s ultimate example of true obedience to the law, the one about whom the Lord could say, ‘Abraham obeyed me’ (v. 5).

Thus, by showing Abraham to be an example of ‘keeping the law,’ the writer has shown the nature of the relationship between the law and faith. Abraham, a man who lived in faith, could be described as one who kept the law” (The Expositor’s Bible Commentary in Vol. 2, 1990, pp. 186-187, emphasis added)

"Ditto" see the first post and the section before this. Why would Abraham need to be around in the times of Moses and Egypt to receive God's teachings, instructions and laws? God's people always had them BEFORE Moses and ISREAL became a nation.

Maybe you need to read God's WORD for yourself as spiritual things are spiritually discerned. I am not sure what other people are teaching you but we should follow the Word of God over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

Here let me highlight the scriptures for you so you can see God's definition of what it means to be "UNDER THE LAW".

ROMANS 3:19-23 [19], Now we know that what things soever the law said, it said to them who are UNDER THE LAW: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. (Jew and gentile) [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. [21], But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; [22], Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ to all and on all them that believe: for t here is no difference:[23], For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God

God's LAW (10 Commandments) is to give us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is and lead us to JESUS (Gal 3:24-25) that we might be justified (FORGIVEN) by FAITH.

Not being "UNDER THE LAW" means your no longer under the CONDEMNATION of the LAW guilty before God of SIN because you have been FORGIVEN for your SINS.

IF you are still CONTINUING in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN you do not KNOW GOD because you have rejected his GIFT of SALVATION through his Son and you are still in your SINS.

ROMANS 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; ALL who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN WILL be LOST and NOT Enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

God's definition of what it means to be "UNDER THE LAW" from ROMANS 3:19-20 is to be guilty before GOD in SIN because you have broken it...
Bob I am only sharing with you scripture from Paul's interpretation of what it means to be "UNDER THE LAW" through his own words which conclude the chapter and the deinition in Romans 3:19-29 with...

ROMANS 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? GOD FORBID; YEA WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

Why would God's LAW be abolished if PAUL is telling us it is establsihed through faith?

Seems like even PAUL disagrees with you Bob?

Of course no one is declared righteouss if they have broken God's LAW Bob that is what v19-20 is saying.

ROMANS 3:19-23 [19], Now we know that what things soever the law said, it said to them who are UNDER THE LAW: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. (Jew and gentile) [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

ROMANS 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; ALL who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN WILL be LOST and NOT Enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

True, UNBELIVING Gentiles had no KNOWLEDGE of God's LAW but Gentile BELIEVERS are now grafted in to God's ISRAEL (Romans 11:16-27), and had Moses and the law preached to them every Sabbath (Acts 15:21). Your understanding of what it means to be "UNDER THE LAW is in error. If your sinning against God PAUL says you are UNDER THE LAW because you are guilty before GOD of SIN and knowingly breaking it (see previous sections Romans 3:19-20)

Not at all Bob, that is the conclusion of your belief which is that God's LAW has been abolished. If you have no law then you have NO KNOWLEDGE of SIN. This makes PAUL out to be a liar because there would be no need for God's LAW to be established through faith (Romans 3:20; 31)
Mistakes? I have only shared God's WORD with you. You choose to follow your own in order to follow your tradition. You can choose to BELIEVE or not BELIEVE God's WORD. They are God's WORD not mine. Make no mistake here. It is the WORD of God that will judge us all in the last days. I do not judge you. You are free to believe as you wish (John 12:47-48).

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

What Abraham and everyone before and after him kept till after Christ was the requirement of a blood sacrifice. Abraham married his sister, so it wasn't the whole covenant law that Abraham kept as you imply. What was imputed to him as righteousness, was that Abraham believed the VOICE of God to him directly, and believed Him. He believed he would have a son, and he obeyed God to sacrifice that son.

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