Are you going to stock up?

As far as bans go, we need to start listening to those who know that it is against the laws of the land for them to ban them. That was why that didn't work for the Brady Bill and they had to go after lesser and different objects of the gun. We need to collectively begin the Christian Gun Owners Association and keep the focus on mission field of gun safety, promotions and protection of the Constitution as it is, and conservative oversight.

Unfortunately, bad news keeps throwing fuel on the fire. This morning in Church, my Pastor prayed for a close friend of his, an RCMP Sargent, that was wounded in a shoot-out in Alberta Canada on Thursday evening. The Pastor that called him, the Rev. Don Scheiman, a Vice President of the Alberta British Columbia District of Lutheran Church Canada had a 24 year old son who was an officer in the RCMP; his son, and 3 other officers, and one suspect died in a shoot-out back in 2005: Fallen Four | Cst. Peter Schiemann

Please pray for Sargent Brian Topham as he recovers, and for all who put their lives on the line to preserve the peace and administer justice: Evansburg RCMP officer recovering after shootout with murder suspect west of Edmonton

The suspect did not survive the gunfight.

MarkRohfrietsch said:

Unfortunately, bad news keeps throwing fuel on the fire. This morning in Church, my Pastor prayed for a close friend of his, an RCMP Sargent, that was wounded in a shoot-out in Alberta Canada on Thursday evening. The Pastor that called him, the Rev. Don Scheiman, a Vice President of the Alberta British Columbia District of Lutheran Church Canada had a 24 year old son who was an officer in the RCMP; his son, and 3 other officers, and one suspect died in a shoot-out back in 2005: Fallen Four | Cst. Peter Schiemann

Please pray for Sargent Brian Topham as he recovers, and for all who put their lives on the line to preserve the peace and administer justice: Evansburg RCMP officer recovering after shootout with murder suspect west of Edmonton

The suspect did not survive the gunfight.

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This is my take on the situation:
“Sgt. Topham remains in the hospital, but is recovering well and is in good spirits,” RCMP media relations Cpl. Laurel Scott said in an update Friday afternoon." Based on what I could find the bullet grazed his head. He was taken by helicopter to the hospital as a precaution. The suspect was wanted for the murder of a young woman earlier that week. Again, based only on what I could find I won't say she was shot but that she was found outside of the suspects home, dead in the snow, indicates that she was not shot, even though they are not saying how she died. It is a sad note when anybody dies or is hurt but in this case the young woman's family and being one with a black sheep myself, even the family of the dead murderer are grieved by these deaths. Based on internet searches the suspect in the murder was seen and a chase ensued. When spike strips eventually disable the suspects car he began shooting at RCMP officers with a rifle (doesn't say what kind) and one of the bullets grazed the head of the officer. There were 30-40 shots fired to eventually stop the suspect.

The media says nothing about how she died. Since no one reported hearing a gunshot in that quiet community it just goes to show that with or without guns the murderous heart murders regardless of the tool.

Buy it cheap and stack it deep...

marineimaging said:

As far as bans go, we need to start listening to those who know that it is against the laws of the land for them to ban them. That was why that didn't work for the Brady Bill and they had to go after lesser and different objects of the gun. We need to collectively begin the Christian Gun Owners Association and keep the focus on mission field of gun safety, promotions and protection of the Constitution as it is, and conservative oversight.

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O.K., I have been stocking up for years but not in the way you might think. For example, today I bought a KaBar knife for almost $100.00. I have NEVER spent that much on a knife in my life but Texas recently removed the bans on knives. After a lot of research, while this might not be the best knife in the world it is one of the most battle proven. It has served our military for many years and stood the test of time so if you have to have one knife, this is it. Secondly, I won't say I have a lot of guns because I really don't in the sense that I will take a couple to bug out with but they are not the most expensive by any means. The ones I will take are the most versatile and most accurate for their cost and size. For example, I have two .22 SA pistols that are frequently considered up there in desire to own. The Buckmark Camper and the Ruger .22/45. They are extremely accurate and solid shooters, but they not what I am taking in the backpack. The Ruger .22LR/.22MAG Single Six is going. Why? Because it will allow me to shoot ANY .22's and will cycle reliably. From rat shot to magnum defensive rounds, and/or the short, long, and long rifle. Slow and low pressure or hot to trot..., Mexican or American or Russian or Chi-Comm. Any .22 round I come across dropped on the ground goes into my pocket because I can shoot it in the Single Six. Will I carry 600 gallons of water at 5,040 lbs, or learn different ways to filter water and carry a filter straw for emergencies. You guess. I know that our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will take care of us. I do not fear death. I simply practice what I learned in the Boy Scouts and the Coast Guard and that is to be prepared at all times. You never know when a storm is over the horizon but you do know that help from man will be a long time coming. Be ready to help others as Jesus helped you.

marineimaging said:

I bought a KaBar knife for almost $100.00. I have NEVER spent that much on a knife in my life but Texas recently removed the bans on knives.

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Wow - Texas has improved SO much since I lived there 45 years ago!

Define "stock up", lol. I intend to keep a minimum of 500 rounds of 22's on hand, and 250 rounds each for the other guns/calibers I want to depend on. Double that amount is a bit better for peace of mind.

I'm a reloader and buy in bulk because it's a little cheaper, so it's pretty easy to exceed these numbers anyway. Same with 22's, bulk lots of 4-5000 rounds are cheaper. In what I envision as the worst case scenario, most of the the survivors will be those that managed to do very little shooting. If I was going to spend $350 on gun stuff right now I think I'd get into a 22 silencer instead.

Aldebaran said:

If you read the gun forums, people there will say that you need a minimum of 10,000 rounds of .22, about as many of 5.56, 5,000 for 12ga. and 5,000 for 9mm. I guess it all depends on what you do with them. If a person is going to be shooting hundreds of rounds for weekend fun after a collapse the same as he does now, then maybe that's what's needed. But if a person sees that a collapse has happened and adjusts accordingly, he'll be far more conservative with what he has.

Of course, it also depends on what the person plans on doing with it. Hunters who will be living off the wildlife might need more than someone being armed for defense only. A defender might need less than someone who plans on forming a militia group and going around raiding everyone. As for me, my goal is simply defense since I don't hunt and would plan on keeping to myself.

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Stock 'em up, excess is best and all that. May the ammo, weekend fun shooting, and wildlife supply never end.

Servant68 said:

In the wake of this latest school shooting, which is causing anti-gun and anti-freedom leftists to lose their collective minds, there surely will be a run on certain items by law-abiding citizens afraid of more rights being taken away.

I have plenty of high capacity magazines for my two AR rifles, and I already have two AR rifles, which is one more than I really need. I learned my lesson years ago to be sure I have enough.

However, I have been doing a lot of reloading lately and am low on primers and powder, which I will rectify later today when I go to town.

I don't believe in hoarding and I usually just keep enough supplies on hand to keep me practicing and competing in matches for 2-3 months at a time.

However, I think it may be prudent to expand that supply out to a year or more due to the current climate.

I already have over a dozen magazines for my ARs, which I admittedly haven't shot in over a year. I bought my first one for coyote hunting and now that I live in WA, I don't hunt. Now it's strictly a SHTF rifle. The second one was purchased before the 2016 election and I've shot it once, to sight in the scope.

So, not going to buy any more ARs or high-capacity magazines. Just more primers and other reloading components to I can continue to enjoy competition shooting without worry.

How about you guys and gals?

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why were you "hunting" coyote ?

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So did Wisconsin. There used to be a restriction on what could be carried to no more than 3". Now we can carry any type of any length. I got me a 6" one that resembles a KaBar, but is made by Smith & Wesson. It only cost $26, which is still far more than I've spent on any past knife. I'm not much of a knife person, but a knife is easier to carry with less regulation than a gun. A recent close call with a pit bull taught me the importance of being ready to defend myself.

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I have the Winchester Bowie which I carry on my hunting belt. It is for brush more than anything because I clip off a few saplings to make a steadyrest for my rifle or to hold my blind up. My pocket knife is for skinning. Neither will keep an edge like I wish and they are also "Loseable". Meaning I won't shed any tears if I lose them. That said, I bought the KaBar US Army as my inheritance knife. It is by no means going to be a closet knife but if we should have a period of disruption like Japan had with the Tsunami or the Yellowstone caldera blows, I know that the 1095 carbon blade will hold up because those knives, made that way, have withstood the test of time and will retain the edge longer. If I die, it goes to my son who did 8 years serving as a crew chief, Blackhawks, 101st in both Afghanistan and Iraq.

Servant68 said:

Because I'm an ignorant and bloodthirsty American who gets a thrill out of killing God's creatures.

That's pretty much the only response you'll accept, I suppose...

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i asked because i did not presume/suppose, but i am simply interested in why one would shoot a coyote ....

Most U.S. states consider them "nuisance predators" and allow any number of them to be killed at any time. Some states have even paid bounties for dead coyotes.

Come over here and raise cattle, sheep, goats, etc. and you will understand.

Aldebaran said:

If you read the gun forums, people there will say that you need a minimum of 10,000 rounds of .22, about as many of 5.56, 5,000 for 12ga. and 5,000 for 9mm. I guess it all depends on what you do with them. If a person is going to be shooting hundreds of rounds for weekend fun after a collapse the same as he does now, then maybe that's what's needed. But if a person sees that a collapse has happened and adjusts accordingly, he'll be far more conservative with what he has.

Of course, it also depends on what the person plans on doing with it. Hunters who will be living off the wildlife might need more than someone being armed for defense only. A defender might need less than someone who plans on forming a militia group and going around raiding everyone. As for me, my goal is simply defense since I don't hunt and would plan on keeping to myself.

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I recently moved and decided to put all of my reloading supplies and ammo in the truck at one time so I could put it into the back of the storage stall. FYI, decide if you are going to leave or stay and or ever move between times because my 1 ton F-350 Super duty was sitting on the axle and I don't have nearly that many rounds, loaded or unloaded.

mozo41 said:

i asked because i did not presume/suppose, but i am simply interested in why one would shoot a coyote ....

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Coyotes in packs will roam at night. Right after dark you can hear them yapping as they hunt. If they come across a fawn, a kid, a calf that was just dropped the can't help be be attracted to the birthing spot. More often than not they just want the afterbirth but if the mamma starts chasing them away and gets their blood pumping and it so happens that they nip the youngster, they will begin to act more like the wild dogs of Africa than what we see as typical or general behavior. It is sort of a blood lust if you will. And they will attack the baby animal relentlessly, even if they are not hungry. Coyotes are a great help at controlling rodents, but they are more than just a nuisance when it comes to livestock that can cost up to $1000.00 USD or more per dead calf.

Darkhorse said:

Most U.S. states consider them "nuisance predators" and allow any number of them to be killed at any time. Some states have even paid bounties for dead coyotes.

Come over here and raise cattle, sheep, goats, etc. and you will understand.

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thanks ... only know of coyote from western movies and cartoons where they are portrayed as a villain .... hyena are wrongly seen as villains back home in Africa ... its kind of odd that i have seen thousands of wildlife docs on animals but not seen or heard squat about coyote .... gona have to youtube them

marineimaging said:

Coyotes in packs will roam at night. Right after dark you can hear them yapping as they hunt. If they come across a fawn, a kid, a calf that was just dropped the can't help be be attracted to the birthing spot. More often than not they just want the afterbirth but if the mamma starts chasing them away and gets their blood pumping and it so happens that they nip the youngster, they will begin to act more like the wild dogs of Africa than what we see as typical or general behavior. It is sort of a blood lust if you will. And they will attack the baby animal relentlessly, even if they are not hungry. Coyotes are a great help at controlling rodents, but they are more than just a nuisance when it comes to livestock that can cost up to $1000.00 USD or more per dead calf.

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thanks ... that's informative ...

mozo41 said:

thanks ... only know of coyote from western movies and cartoons where they are portrayed as a villain .... hyena are wrongly seen as villains back home in Africa ... its kind of odd that i have seen thousands of wildlife docs on animals but not seen or heard squat about coyote .... gona have to youtube them

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As another person said, if you raise livestock here in the states you would be more in tune with their behavior. (Ours too) In Texas we hunters are considered to part of the Parks and Wildlife mechanism for population control. Some animals are considered game, some fur bearing are considered differently than game, and some are considered nuisance animals. Feral hogs are considered exotics but for political reasons. License are issued to hunt and upon reading the rules for the year we sometimes see that a species of animal or fish might have changed in status. Limits might have been established or they might be added or removed from the list. It depends on what their preseason counts show. As hunters we are constantly asked by ranchers to kill any coyotes we see. Especially if they have been finding dead calves. Usually you might get one and the others scatter. The same goes for feral hogs which are nothing like the domestic little piggy in the fenced mud puddle. They have cutters that are very mean and dangerous and will charge you, slash and gnash, and then run to get away. Hunters don't really like to kill just for killings sake but sometimes it is essential to control populations. Otherwise entire species can be endangered by over grazing, rooting up ground and killing grasslands by the thousands of acres, causing erosion or as in the case of beavers, flooding of lowlands.

mozo41 said:

thanks ... that's informative ...

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Let me add this; God gave us dominion over the critters here on earth. Seeing to the well being of animals absolutely includes controlling their population. Whether it happens in a hyper controlled environment such as a stockyard, or in the wild we are required by our Lord to be humane, reasonable, and prudent in our methods. I cannot hold a conventional rifle for long as it forces my wrist to twist upwards and literally causes extreme pain in these arthritic joints. The MMSR (Modern Modular Sport Rifle) is a perfect firearm for hunting because produces human kill shots, allows fast followup shots to avoid letting an injured game animal get away, and because it is light and ergonomic. For over 50 years the AR-15 has been sold to civilians. It is a modular platform allowing the user to modify it for personal comfort including adding scopes, lights, sights, grips, and change the length of pull. In 1974, when issued one in basic training my first time out to the range I qualified as expert which is on my DD214. Not because I had practiced with it in basic. Because I had access to one as teenager here in Texas and learned to shoot it AND respect it as any other rifle. I know it has a bad reputation but just like any other forged and hammered and machined mechanism, it is a tool and the user and only the user determines if the end result is going to be for what exalts Satan or what exalts the intentions of our Lord.