SALVATION offered by Jesus: COMPLETED and IRREVOCABLE

Grip Docility said:

I never said I didn’t Love those two...

But I can’t Keep them! I fail Daily!

I confess ye my sins one to another.

Only He could and can do so in a way that yields a salvational Harvest.

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You can keep them if you will but only receive the promises of Romans 5:5, Ephesians 3:16-20.

Concerning Jesus speaking of His own Cross...see Matthew 20:17-19 and its parallel passages in the synoptic gospels. Consider also that Jesus said the Holy Spirit would guide us into all truth, because the disciples couldn't bear everything God had to say before the Cross. Therefore Jesus speaks to us through the epistles, and 1 Corinthians 2:2 is therefore key to our understanding...

justbyfaith said:

Concerning Jesus speaking of His own Cross...see Matthew 20:17-19 and its parallel passages in the synoptic gospels. Consider also that Jesus said the Holy Spirit would guide us into all truth, because the disciples couldn't bear everything God had to say before the Cross. Therefore Jesus speaks to us through the epistles, and 1 Corinthians 2:2 is therefore key to our understanding...

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I do what I do not want to do and do not what I want to do.

Who will free me from this body of Death?

His grace is sufficient...

I count all dung... that I may only count knowing Christ Supreme.

His grace is lacking on no accord.

justbyfaith said:

Concerning Jesus speaking of His own Cross...see Matthew 20:17-19 and its parallel passages in the synoptic gospels. Consider also that Jesus said the Holy Spirit would guide us into all truth, because the disciples couldn't bear everything God had to say before the Cross. Therefore Jesus speaks to us through the epistles, and 1 Corinthians 2:2 is therefore key to our understanding...

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Lookey Lookey Brother... I agree whole heartedly, without refrain with you on this particular point.

It feels good.

justbyfaith said:

You can keep them if you will but only receive the promises of Romans 5:5, Ephesians 3:16-20.

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“Being rooted and grounded in love”

Amen

EmSw said:

It is when one hears His voice, believes, and follows Him. If you are going to make your own rules, you might as well get rid of John 10:27.

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This highly suggests that you've already gotten rid of the 24 verses I have shared with you regarding how one has salvation/eternal life.

It is also a FACT that to receive eternal life, one must hear His voice and follow Him.

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Not from the Bible. To "follow Him" requires a lifetime commitment. No one is saved from their efforts. That is nothing more than the Pharisee works based salvation.

Following Him is a command FOR believers.

I do not adhere to hyper-grace truth. This is your belief and your truth.

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Actually, it's biblical truth.

2 Cor 12:9 - But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me.

Consider this: Christ died for ALL sins. Your view is that certain sins will send a saved person to hell. Just rubbish, that is.

Because all sins have been paid for, there aren't any sins that will send anyone to hell.

The ONLY REASON for anyone being cast into the lake of fire is not possessing eternal life. Rev 20:15

Why would I have no knowledge of salvation, and you have it all?

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Because of what you've posted about salvation.

So, you think one believes from the head?

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No. Only those who also think from their head.

Actually, it is end, cause, and effect. Eternal life is the end. Hearing His voice, believing, and following Him is the cause, a new life obedient to His truths and producing good fruit is the effect.

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More error. Eternal life is the BEGINNING of the Christian life. Jesus said so.

John 5:24 - “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.

John 6:47 - Very truly I tell you, the one who believes has eternal life.

Even John said so.

1 John 5:13 - I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.

He also wrote v.11 - And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

How could John write this to believers if God hadn't already GIVEN eternal life.

I don't really expect that you'll respond to ANY of these 4 verses, because of how much they refute your unbiblical claims.

Verse 27 of John 10 seems to give you fits.

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lol. No. The verses I have shared with you are definitely giving you fits. v.27 is a description of what His sheep do.

But you can't find any verse that says that eternal life is given on the basis of following Him.

Again, I will tell you. Those who hear His voice and follow Him are given eternal life. Don't choke on the popcorn.

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The only thing that would make me choke is your false gospel and doctrine.

EmSw said:

You have miserably failed to show where Jesus speaks of His cross. He have also failed in that you don't want to hear of the cross you are take up and follow Him.

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No, you have failed miserabley to believe what the Bible says.

It's interesting Jesus didn't say 'when I die on the cross', He would draw all men to Himself. If you believe all people are drawn to salvation by Jesus being 'lifted up', this makes you a universalist.

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No, it's interesting that you refuse to understand that the term "lifted up" was used in ancient times specifically for being hung on a cross. But I expect you've never bothered to research scholars about that phrase. Figures.

EmSw said:

Why do you keep leaving out John 10:27, 28 as being required to be given eternal life?

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Because v.27 has nothing in it to denote a condition for never perishing is why.

But since you've repeatedly ignored and rejected the 24 verses I shared with you regarding how to have salvation and eternal life, I'm not surprised.

EmSw said:

I wonder if you have counted the cost (payment) of being His disciple, by which you are given eternal life.

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How much did you pay for your salvation? Just curious.

Mine was free. Jesus paid it all.

EmSw said:

Perhaps you can show us where Jesus said anything about His cross.

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John 12:32 is precisely the verse. In His generation, to be "lifted up" wasa reference to being put on a cross.

Have you so soon forgotten about counting the cost?

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Again, how much did your salvation cost you?

EmSw said:

What's complicated about hearing His voice and following Him? If you don't hear His voice and follow Him, you are separating yourself.

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Who said anything about "complicated"? We're talking about biblical truth, not what's easy or hard. Those ideas are irrelevant to salvation.

What counts is what the Bible says. And I have shared with you 24 verses that specifically state that one is saved and has eternal life on the basis of faith in Christ.

It's your views that have "complicated" the gospel, and twisted it completely out of the biblical view.

To "follow Him" requires time. That can't be fulfilled in a day, or a week, or a month, or a year. So just how long does it take to qualify by following Him in order to have eternal life? I'm not looking for your opinion, but what Scripture says about it.

So, if you were correct, there would be clear verses on just HOW LONG one must follow Him in order to earn eternal life.

So, how long?

EmSw said:

I don't see anything about His cross.

John 15:13
Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends.

So, does one to be crucified upon a cross to show his love for others?

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So, obviously all the OT Scripture that was fulfilled by Jesus dying on the cross hasn't crossed your mind yet, huh.

EmSw said:

However, Jesus is not going to hear His voice for you, neither is He going to follow Himself for you. You must do these yourself. He has shown us the path; we must walk down this path and follow Jesus.

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Yeah, there it is right there, in the phrase "you must do these (hear Him, follow Him, walk down this path) yourself".

Here's a conversation between a jailer and Paul in Acts 16:
30 He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
31 They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.”

So, what do you think about that answer?

EmSw said:

I said Jesus never once mentioned His cross. You won't find it anywhere. He did mention your cross. Why is it you fail to recognize what He said about your cross?

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This comes from total ignorance of 1st Century Jerusalem. He clearly referenced the cross as the means of His death in John 12:32.

But go ahead and deny what He said and what He meant.

Or, please explain what you think He was referring to in John 12:32.

EmSw said:

I've never taken credit for anything He does.

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Just for perspective, what exactly did He do? I have no idea from all you've posted.

I don't even take credit for what I do. I do all things as of myself but know it is Him who does it.

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What does "as of myself" mean?

EmSw said:

Jesus didn't focus on the cross either. Hmmmmmmm!

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So, what did He focus on?

EmSw said:

And you must walk according to 'The Way' and follow Him.

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For how long in order to earn eternal life?

And please explain how grace fit into your theology? What does it look like?

BNR32FAN said:

Now it is very apparent that you are in fact intentionally being obtuse and seeking only to discredit me and not taking anything I’m saying in the proper context. You only want to twist my words.

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This is baloney.

You explained that Legion is many demons and that I failed to realize that but I specifically said that I should say they instead of he but I’m using he because it’s just easier.

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I've had to school you on the entire event.

I know you didn’t miss my point of using Legion as a terrible example of someone who could be saved.

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Because NO demon can be saved.

I know you fully understand that I used him/them as an example to show how a single verse of scripture can easily be taken out of context of the Bible’s teachings.

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Of course they can. But you have failed to show that I have done that to any verse.

What you are doing is intentional deception to discredit me because you don’t want others to see that what I’m saying is true.

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You've said nothing true.

I quoted John 6:47 to make the point that by only looking at a single verse someone cannot base an accurate belief.

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What ever are you talking about? Jn 6:47 is absolutely true. And only by adding fallen angels to it by saying the verse applies to them is what is untrue.

““I tell you the truth, anyone who believes has eternal life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:47‬

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The "anyone" doesn't include any non humans.

The word anyone does not exclude demons.

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Wanna bet? I think your views are delusional. Only if Jesus had died for angels for their salvation would that verse apply to angels.

But it seems that everyone else except you already understands that.

EmSw said:

I'll ask you, are we saved by carnal grace or obedience to the Savior?

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So, what is "carnal grace"? Where does Scripture warn against it, it if even exists?

Some people just love making up words and terms.