7th Trumpet Rapture?

Riberra said:

They all refers to Revelation 16:15-16
Revelation 16:15-16
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walked naked, and they see his shame.
16 And they gathered them together into the place which is called in Hebrew Har-magedon.

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You are free to keep on thinking they all refer to Rev. 16. . Keep on thinking He is only going to come once more - hang around in the clouds first, and gather His Bride, then immediately come down to earth. Here is what will happen if you keep on with this belief: YOU WILL BE LEFT BEHIND when He comes to the clouds and then returns to heaven. He is coming TWICE more: first to take His bride to safety, and then again 7 years later WITH His bride.

Since you seem to want to see the Beast, just keep right on believing as you do and you will see him.

Riberra said:

Revelation 12:11
11 And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the word of their testimony; and they loved not their life even unto death.

Of course you probably believe that this is not addressed to ALL the Christians who will be alive during the End Times Tribulation.


God have the power to resurrect His SAINTS ... His wife have made herself ready, she is wearing fine linen white and pure for the fine linen white and pure is the righteous acts of the SAINTS...Revelation 19:7-8

THE RIGHTEOUS ACTS OF THE SAINTS is surely not talking about Christians praying very hard to be taken to Heaven while they are watching TV and eating potato chips and drinking Coca Cola.

Nowhere it is said that there will be a removal to Heaven ...You have to twist the meaning of the word APOSTASY which mean a departure from the Faith ...Remember what you wrote some years ago :''If i have to go through the Tribulation i will not serve a God like that''=APOSTASY ...---->Don't pray to hard that the Tribulation begin soon !

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So you think Coverdale got it wrong?

2 Thes. 2:3
Let noman disceaue you by eny meanes. For the LORDE commeth not, excepte the departynge come first, and that that Man of synne be opened, euen the sonne of perdicion,

Of course God has the power to resurrect His saints. But I was talking about the CHARACTER of God. Would you beat up your fiance, force her to make a decision to lose her head, then (if you had the power to resurrect) bring her back to life again and marry her? No human would do that - yet you think that is what God will do.

The truth is, we don't serve a God like that. We serve a God that loves His bride enough to provide a way of escape, so that when His wrath is poured out, it will only be poured out on those that hate Him.

If you don't want to take His way of escape, that is between you and God. But don't try and steal that way of escape from others. You can be left behind to "tribulate" if you wish.

iamlamad said:

If you don't want to take His way of escape, that is between you and God. But don't try and steal that way of escape from others. You can be left behind to "tribulate" if you wish.

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Why have you turned the pretrib doctrine into a cult?

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Everett J Schulte said:

First, I'd like to state that I am operating based off the assumption that the rapture of the Church occurs at the 7th trumpet blast.

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Yes, the Second Coming and the Rapture will occur on the last day, at the last trump which is obviously 7th trumpet, else it would not be the last.

You could say that this is a mid-trib rapture idea,

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The pre-, mid-, post-, pre-wrath rapture and all of its cousins of the pre-millennial doctrines are all wrong.

and where I heard about this was at the International House of Prayer in Kansas City, MO.

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The International House of Prayer is NOT God's congregation. According to their statement of faith:

"We also believe that signs and wonders, as well as all the gifts of the Spirit described in the New Testament, are operative today and are designed to testify to the presence of the kingdom and to empower and edify the Church to fulfill its calling and mission."

I suppose it could be argued that there are two ways to build a relationship with God. One is to study the Bible, pray, and keep God's law and the other is to stay awake all night and all day expending frenzied emotional energy until exhaustion and then seeing visions and speaking gibberish. Pentecostalism began in the early 1900s with the same incoherent disorientation that led those people to believe they had connected with God. Today they've added audio-visual stimulation, amplified music, repetitive persuasion, and slick marketing. But it is the same Azusa Street debauchery that Charles Parham was peddling in 1906 - just gussied up with lights and sound for the modern fool.

Avoid that so-called church.

ebedmelech said:

Of course Hebrews was written to the Hebrews but the fact is Jew or not it's making the point and NEVER addresses a pretrib rapture. Equally where Jesus said "many mansions" it's better said "dwelling places".

No Jerry. Paul's stewardship is the gospel, the idea of a DoG is just bad theology...NO ONE has ever been saved except by grace under both covenants.

All you need do is read 1 Corinthians 15:12...that sets the context, and Paul never deviates from that. Furthermore at 15:24 Paul is telling you this is the end. Then how many times in John 6 does Jesus have to say "last day" before you understand?

This isn't about me debunking your contortion of scripture. It's about the truth of scripture Jerry...and that will not be some "great escape" rapture. It's bad eschatology!

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ebedlemech,

1. You missed the whole point about Hebrews 6:1-2 and how it relates to the difference of the Old and New Covenant understanding of the resurrection and how they are different and how their differences connect to the nature of the rapture.
The Old Testament doctrine is Resurrection of the dead onlyand the New Testament doctrine is Resurrection of the dead and living.
The Jews only understood the earthly kingdom for themselves to be Resurrected to for this is their covenant promises 2 Samuel 13-16, 1 Chronicles 28:1-8: Isaiah 2:2-24;9:6-7. Etc. The church was the mystery and so was the rapture of living and dead believers.

2. Many Mansions are dwelling places and doesn’t change anything about the fact of being in the KoG in Heaven and not on earth.

3. Paul’s stewardship was the Gospel of the Gace Of God.
There are more doctrines that Paul taught than just the gospel of the death, burial, and resurrection.

4. 1 Corinthians 15:12 sets the context that there would be a physical resurrection.

5. I did say v 24 was about the end result which is the KoG when the son gives the kingdom back to the father so God can be all in all.
The Fathe gives the KoH to the Son at the beginning of the millennial KoH because the son must rule and reign first to put sin and rebellion down Revelation 20:7-9 and destroy death Revelation 20:13-14 which is the last enemy Revelation 20 before the perfect state Revelation 21.

6. You can’t debunk the truth.

7. Every age has been saved by grace through faith. However, the difference is the Revelation they had of redemption.
The antediluvian had their conscience. The Jews had the law of Moses filled with types and realities. Even Jesus taught the law for the disciples didn’t understand the death, burial and resurrection Matthew 16:21-23.
John 6:53:70.
Jesus did mention certain prophetic things concerning his finished work in the KoH and the KoG ministry before their rejection Matthew 23:37-39.
The KoH and the KoG message to Israel is different than the death, burial and resurrection of Christ.

The rapture is real but we are to occupy till he comes whether it’s Pre, mid or post rapture. Jerry kelso

iamlamad said:

So you think Coverdale got it wrong?

2 Thes. 2:3
Let noman disceaue you by eny meanes. For the LORDE commeth not, excepte the departynge come first, and that that Man of synne be opened, euen the sonne of perdicion,

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Coverdale is not talking about a departing from the Earth .... It is about a massive departing from the Faith of the believers who will precede the revealing of the man of sin ,the son of perdition ...

What is commonly known as the Antichrist the Beast that the whole Earth shall wonder is actually RESTRAINED into the Bottomless pit Revelation 17:8 ...until that God send an angel to let him and his nasty "little critters'' go ... Revelation 9 ----Revelation 9:11

You are a perfect example of how the massive departure from the faith will happen ...when the things will begin to get harder and you will realize that no pre-trib rapture will happen you will turn away from God ....

iamlamad said:

His wrath is poured out, it will only be poured out on those that hate Him.

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God will pour out His Wrath against those who will take the mark and who will worship the Beast and his image .... Revelation 14:9-13 Revelation 16.

Satan wrath Revelation 12:17 Revelation 13:7 Revelation 13:15 is not the wrath of God...
Revelation 12:17
17 And the dragon waxed wroth with the woman, and went away to make war with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God, and hold the testimony of Jesus:

Do you notice that this post is number #666 ----coincidence ----maybe !

BABerean2 said:

Why have you turned the pretrib doctrine into a cult?

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The truth of scripture is never a cult.

But according to the definition of a cult, Christianity is a cult. It is the ONLY way to heaven, period.

iamlamad said:

The truth of scripture is never a cult.

But according to the definition of a cult, Christianity is a cult. It is the ONLY way to heaven, period.

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JESUS is the ONLY way for your SOUL to go to Heaven ....in a state of rest as in sleep (sleep in Christ) until the resurrection.

Dream on! Untold billions of people will be there in their resurrection body - but you will be left behind. Beliefs matter. Always remember, things of God you don't have faith for - God will make sure you never seen them. For example:
If someone cannot believe Jesus' blood washes away their sins - Their sins will remain.
If someone cannot believe that "By His stripes they are healed" divine healing will not be coming their way.
Israel could not believe they could enter the promised land, and that God would help them conquer - so God made sure NONE of those in disbelief ever entered in - they all died in the wilderness.
If someone will not believe in Jesus coming FOR His saints, they will be left behind. It is a simply concept.

Jesus is not happy with unbelief.

iamlamad said:

If someone will not believe in Jesus coming FOR His saints, they will be left behind. It is a simply concept.

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He is most certainly coming for His Saints.
There is no doubt about that.
However, you have turned the timing into a cult...

In the link below you can see how pretrib promoter Grant Jeffrey cut and pasted the post-trib writings of the Early Church Fathers, in order to make your doctrine work.


Pretribulationist Revisionism
(Grant Jeffrey’s revision of early Church Posttrib viewpoints)
Pastor Tim Warner
http://www.answersinrevelation.org/Jeffrey.pdf

Based on what you are saying these Early Church Fathers will be "Left Behind", because they did not agree with you.

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iamlamad said:

Dream on! Untold billions of people will be there in their resurrection body

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The resurrection will happen on the Earth ----When Jesus will descend from Heaven He will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus [verse 14]ie the SOULS of the DEAD BELIEVERS WHO ARE IN HEAVEN...
1 Thessalonians 4:13-17
13 But we would not have you ignorant, brethren, concerning them that fall asleep; that ye sorrow not, even as the rest, who have no hope.

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also that are fallen asleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we that are alive, that are LEFT UNTO THE COMING of the Lord, shall in no wise precede them that are fallen asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven, with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first; 17 then we that are alive, that are left, shall together with them be caught up in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

You have turned the verses about the resurrection of those who sleep in Jesus who will happen on the Earth UNTO the COMING OF JESUS into a 7 years trip to Heaven before His Coming...

iamlamad said:

- but you will be left behind. Beliefs matter. Always remember, things of God you don't have faith for -

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Nowhere in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 it is said that we will go to Heaven after the resurrection...

jerry kelso said:

ebedlemech,

1. You missed the whole point about Hebrews 6:1-2 and how it relates to the difference of the Old and New Covenant understanding of the resurrection and how they are different and how their differences connect to the nature of the rapture.
The Old Testament doctrine is Resurrection of the dead onlyand the New Testament doctrine is Resurrection of the dead and living.
The Jews only understood the earthly kingdom for themselves to be Resurrected to for this is their covenant promises 2 Samuel 13-16, 1 Chronicles 28:1-8: Isaiah 2:2-24;9:6-7. Etc. The church was the mystery and so was the rapture of living and dead believers.

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Funny Jerry...NOTHING in scripture validates that reasoning. The Jews problem was they fell into the false belief of salvation by works. There's NOTHING in Hebrews about a rapture, nor any connection.

The mystery is laid out in Ephesians 3:1-12. How that differs from what you think!

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2. Many Mansions are dwelling places and doesn’t change anything about the fact of being in the KoG in Heaven and not on earth.

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The KoG is in heaven and on earth Jerry. Try reading what the Lord said in Mark 10:15. When one is saved they are in the KoG Jerry, they only wait for the reality of the kingdom at the end. Once again red Romans 14:17.

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3. Paul’s stewardship was the Gospel of the Gace Of God.
There are more doctrines that Paul taught than just the gospel of the death, burial, and resurrection.

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Jerry, ALL of that is the gospel. Doctrines don't separate the gospel, they teach us the WHOLE of the gospel.

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4. 1 Corinthians 15:12 sets the context that there would be a physical resurrection.

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No. All of it is the resurrection which includes the rapture...and it's all on the last day. The entirety of 1 Cor 15:12-58 is the resurrection. You make assertions Paul NEVER makes.

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5. I did say v 24 was about the end result which is the KoG when the son gives the kingdom back to the father so God can be all in all.
The Fathe gives the KoH to the Son at the beginning of the millennial KoH because the son must rule and reign first to put sin and rebellion down Revelation 20:7-9 and destroy death Revelation 20:13-14 which is the last enemy Revelation 20 before the perfect state Revelation 21.

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This is know where in scripture. It's once again the error of dispensational theology The KoH and the KoG are synonymous Jerry...and you don't see it.

jerry kelso said:

6. You can’t debunk the truth.

7. Every age has been saved by grace through faith. However, the difference is the Revelation they had of redemption.
The antediluvian had their conscience. The Jews had the law of Moses filled with types and realities. Even Jesus taught the law for the disciples didn’t understand the death, burial and resurrection Matthew 16:21-23.
John 6:53:70.
Jesus did mention certain prophetic things concerning his finished work in the KoH and the KoG ministry before their rejection Matthew 23:37-39.
The KoH and the KoG message to Israel is different than the death, burial and resurrection of Christ.

The rapture is real but we are to occupy till he comes whether it’s Pre, mid or post rapture. Jerry kelso

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Tell you what brother Jerry...there's no need to go around and around about this. You've made your stand...and I have made mine. We both KNOW Jesus is going to return...the question is "does it include your pretrib rapture?". You, and many who believe as you do, will know when it doesn't happen.

There is no eschatology teaching that is without error...but I have found dispensational eschatology to be quite aberrant.

ebedmelech said:

Funny Jerry...NOTHING in scripture validates that reasoning. The Jews problem was they fell into the false belief of salvation by works. There's NOTHING in Hebrews about ia rapture, nor any connection.

The mystery is laid out in Ephesians 3:1-12. How that differs from what you think!

The KoG is in heaven and on earth Jerry. Try reading what the Lord said in Mark 10:15. When one is saved they are in the KoG Jerry, they only wait for the reality of the kingdom at the end. Once again red Romans 14:17.

Jerry, ALL of that is the gospel. Doctrines don't separate the gospel, they teach us the WHOLE of the gospel.

No. All of it is the resurrection which includes the rapture...and it's all on the last day. The entirety of 1 Cor 15:12-58 is the resurrection. You make assertions Paul NEVER makes.

This is know where in scripture. It's once again the error of dispensational theology The KoH and the KoG are synonymous Jerry...and you don't see it.

Tell you what brother Jerry...there's no need to go around and around about this. You've made your stand...and I have made mine. We both KNOW Jesus is going to return...the question is "does it include your pretrib rapture?". You, and many who believe as you do, will know when it doesn't happen.

There is no eschatology teaching that is without error...but I have found dispensational eschatology to be quite aberrant.

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ebedmelech,

1. Disagreeing doesn’t prove anything.

2. Jews did seek the righteousness of the law by works instead of faith in Romans 10.

3. I didn’t say the rapture was in Hebrews.
One can divulge the truth of the rapture to understanding the resurrection of the dead which was an Old Testament doctrine and Hebrews is a contrast between the Old and New Covenants.
But I wasn’t saying that Hebrews was dealing directly with the subject of the rapture.

4. Ephesians 3:1-12; I believe the same thing.
All I said was this was instituted at Calvary but didn’t unfold into reality until Peter and the vision of the clean and unclean.
Then both Jews and Gentiles were one on the same level. Do you understand that?

5. The KoH is the physical kingdom on earth Matthew 4:17. The KoG physical is the whole universe.
The Spiritual KoH are the spiritual things in the KoH.
The Spiritual KoG was about the spiritual kingdom in their hearts that would receive eternal life and be blessed Matthew 6:33, Luke 17:20-21.
The physical earth is out of harmony with the physical KoG and must be brought back in to harmony.
This will happen at the eternal perfect state in Revelation 21.

6. Doctrines like the rapture etc. do not save a person, only the gospel of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ.
You’re not in context with what I was saying.

7. You misunderstand the resurrection and the rapture and the last day and try to put it together as one and it is not.
The truth of the matter is that all believers will be resurrected but not at the same time.
And all the resurrected believers from Adam to the last of the tribulation saints which are the blessed dead Revelation 14:13; 15:1-2; 20:4-6 which are the resurrection of the dead only who don’t take the mark will be in time for the Marriage of the Lamb in Heaven Revelation 19:7-10 and ready to come out of Heaven to go to Armageddon.
The last day is right before the 7 vials are poured out on the beast kingdom worshippers Revelation 16:2.
There is no rapture of dead and living believers at the end of the tribulation.
Apparently, you do not understand true dispensationalism. Jerry kelso

jerry kelso said:

The truth of the matter is that all believers will be resurrected but not at the same time.

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Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

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BABerean2 said:

Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

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baberean2,

1. You’re out of context because these are the Resurrections talking in general of the Old Testament doctrines.

2. The First Resurrection is comprised of believers and the Second Death is comprised of unbelievers.

3. These 2 Resurrections are a 1000 Years apart Revelation 20:4-6.

4. The dead in Christ do not rise up from the graves , but God shall bring them with him from Heaven to meet the living believers in the sky 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16.

5. The last day will be the Resurrection of the dead only Revelation 15:1-2. This is before the 7 vials are even started which are administered on the Beast Kingdom Worshippers only Revelation 16:2.
Sorry, but you are wrong again. Jerry Kelso

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Sorry, but you are wrong again. Jerry Kelso

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I never said a word in the post you are referring to.

You are arguing with Jesus.

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BABerean2 said:

I never said a word in the post you are referring to.

You are arguing with Jesus.

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baberean2,

1. I am not arguing with Jesus. You are the one arguing about the rapture of living believers with dead believers as happening at the second advent. Are you not?

2. Jesus only mentioned the dead being raised and never said anything about living believers at all.
He mentioned dead sinners Resurrecting to damnation in the same verse but it doesn’t mean that sinners and saints will be resurrected at the same time for we know this will not be true Revelation 20:6.

3. The ones coming out of the grave are dead saints on the last day John 11:24 which is the same as Revelation 15:1-2 who are the same as in Revelation 20:4-6 in the First Resurrection and they are dead saints. They will come out of the graves according to Jesus at the last day. This event is right before the 7 vials are poured out which is a good ways before the 2nd advent.
It couldn’t be those in 1 Thessalonians 4:15 for those dead in Christ is bringing with him from Heaven not the graves.
4. It seems your human perception has gone haywire again my friend.
You need to learn proper perspective of the scripture along with proper context and proper reconciling of the scriptures for proper harmony of the scriptures. Jerry kelso

There WILL BE a resurrection at the rapture event, when the BODIES of the dead in Christ rise up from their graves. In other words, their graves will be opened. Their spirits with their souls (mind, will, emotions etc) will be coming with Jesus to MEET WITH THEIR newly resurrected bodies, and then they will be complete again, Spirit, Soul and Body.

Then, instantly following, those who are alive and in Christ will rise. Both these groups are for the CHURCH, those who have been made a part of the Body of Jesus Christ on earth - by way of regeneration or the born again experience. No Old Testament saint will rise at this time, for none of them were "In Christ."

The big question for most is, WHEN? When in relation to the 7 seals, the seven trumpets and the seven vials? The answer can be seen from scripture. The 5th seal is for the martyrs of the church age. They are told they must wait for judgment until the very last church age martyr will have come in. In other words, they must wait for the rapture to take place, which will trigger the start of the Day of the Lord and the start of judgment.

The rapture of the church then, must take place between the 5th and 6th seals, but will undoubtedly come a moment before the 6th seal. The 6th seal begins the wrath of God. The great earthquake at the 6th seal will be caused by the dead in Christ rising (the earth did quake...and the graves were opened). This great 6th seal earthquake is also Paul's "sudden destruction" that will come a moment after the rapture.

Paul wrote that at this great rapture event, those living in the light of the gospel will get raptured, while those living in the darkness will get the sudden destruction. Two groups of people with two different outcomes at the same moment of time.

The Old Testament saints will rise at the 7th vial that ends the 70th week. It will be the last 24 hours of the 70th week, or "the last day."

Both the rapture event and the resurrection of the Old Testament saints will be a part of the first or chief of resurrections.

iamlamad said:

There WILL BE a resurrection at the rapture event, when the BODIES of the dead in Christ rise up from their graves. In other words, their graves will be opened. Their spirits with their souls (mind, will, emotions etc) will be coming with Jesus to MEET WITH THEIR newly resurrected bodies, and then they will be complete again, Spirit, Soul and Body.

Then, instantly following, those who are alive and in Christ will rise. Both these groups are for the CHURCH, those who have been made a part of the Body of Jesus Christ on earth - by way of regeneration or the born again experience. No Old Testament saint will rise at this time, for none of them were "In Christ."

The big question for most is, WHEN? When in relation to the 7 seals, the seven trumpets and the seven vials? The answer can be seen from scripture. The 5th seal is for the martyrs of the church age. They are told they must wait for judgment until the very last church age martyr will have come in. In other words, they must wait for the rapture to take place, which will trigger the start of the Day of the Lord and the start of judgment.

The rapture of the church then, must take place between the 5th and 6th seals, but will undoubtedly come a moment before the 6th seal. The 6th seal begins the wrath of God. The great earthquake at the 6th seal will be caused by the dead in Christ rising (the earth did quake...and the graves were opened). This great 6th seal earthquake is also Paul's "sudden destruction" that will come a moment after the rapture.

Paul wrote that at this great rapture event, those living in the light of the gospel will get raptured, while those living in the darkness will get the sudden destruction. Two groups of people with two different outcomes at the same moment of time.

The Old Testament saints will rise at the 7th vial that ends the 70th week. It will be the last 24 hours of the 70th week, or "the last day."

Both the rapture event and the resurrection of the Old Testament saints will be a part of the first or chief of resurrections.

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iamlamad,

1. The rapture will not take place at the 5th seal.
They are the tribulation saints who are the first martyrs who are told to wait for their brethren who would be for the rest of the tribulation saints who die such as Revelation 13 that the Antichrist wear out the saints and Revelation 14 The Blessed dead and Revelation 15 Of those who sing the song of Moses and the lamb.
There are no living believers in either of these accounts.

2. The seals, trumpets and vials are in succession.
The rapture cannot happen between the 5th and 6th seal because the souls under the altar have to wait for their brethren to be killed which is not till right before the vials are opened Revelation 15:1-2.
Also, there is nothing said about graves being opened in Revelation 6.
And in Revelation 6:16 is the Wrath of the Lamb which deals with the 7 trumpets.
The Wrath Of God is different than the Wrath of the Lamb, because it is the 7 vials poured upon the kingdom beast worshippers only Revelation 16:2.

3. So Paul never taught the saints and sinners being resurrected at the same time and neither did Jesus John 5:28-29.
Revelation 20:6 shows the tribulation saints are resurrected 1000 years before the sinners.
Sorry, but your position is way off. Jerry kelso

jerry kelso said:

ebedmelech,

1. Disagreeing doesn’t prove anything.

2. Jews did seek the righteousness of the law by works instead of faith in Romans 10.

3. I didn’t say the rapture was in Hebrews.
One can divulge the truth of the rapture to understanding the resurrection of the dead which was an Old Testament doctrine and Hebrews is a contrast between the Old and New Covenants.
But I wasn’t saying that Hebrews was dealing directly with the subject of the rapture.

4. Ephesians 3:1-12; I believe the same thing.
All I said was this was instituted at Calvary but didn’t unfold into reality until Peter and the vision of the clean and unclean.
Then both Jews and Gentiles were one on the same level. Do you understand that?

5. The KoH is the physical kingdom on earth Matthew 4:17. The KoG physical is the whole universe.
The Spiritual KoH are the spiritual things in the KoH.
The Spiritual KoG was about the spiritual kingdom in their hearts that would receive eternal life and be blessed Matthew 6:33, Luke 17:20-21.
The physical earth is out of harmony with the physical KoG and must be brought back in to harmony.
This will happen at the eternal perfect state in Revelation 21.

6. Doctrines like the rapture etc. do not save a person, only the gospel of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ.
You’re not in context with what I was saying.

7. You misunderstand the resurrection and the rapture and the last day and try to put it together as one and it is not.
The truth of the matter is that all believers will be resurrected but not at the same time.
And all the resurrected believers from Adam to the last of the tribulation saints which are the blessed dead Revelation 14:13; 15:1-2; 20:4-6 which are the resurrection of the dead only who don’t take the mark will be in time for the Marriage of the Lamb in Heaven Revelation 19:7-10 and ready to come out of Heaven to go to Armageddon.
The last day is right before the 7 vials are poured out on the beast kingdom worshippers Revelation 16:2.
There is no rapture of dead and living believers at the end of the tribulation.
Apparently, you do not understand true dispensationalism. Jerry kelso

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Jerry, i'm a truck driver and I work long hours, so I don't really have the time to go through all of this with you or I would gladly do it. Dispensational eschatology is simply full of error and bad theology.

Also please read carefully Jerry. I NEVER once hinted that one's salvation hinges on doctrines of the resurrection.

I won't even go into Revelation with you because as I said I don't have the time. One thing is clear Jerry, the end will come and Jesus will appear...but it'll be nothing like you think because you're in a dispensational maze brother!