Three Key Verses to understand the role of the Antichrist

Douggg said:

What will make the person the Antichrist is that he will be anointed the King of Israel

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He could be the 2nd beast of Revelation 13, would you believe it.
Because its the 2nd beast who will make fire come down from heaven to burn the animal sacrifice offerings at the 3rd Temple.

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

Antichrist will rule the world but the false prophet will lead Israel.

Douggg said:

What will make the person the Antichrist is that he will be anointed the King of Israel - instead of and against Jesus the rightful King of Israel.

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1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

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R. Hartono said:

Because its the 2nd beast who will make fire come down from heaven to burn the animal sacrifice offerings at the 3rd Temple.

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

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First, you got a wrong interpretation for the beast as if they must be some individual man with supernatural power. That is NOT what God talked about!

The beast, as God defined it in Scripture, is just a body of carnal men, spiritually marked by Satan, their spirit of disobedience. That is it.

And pray tell, you actually believe someone will cause a literal fire to fall from space on earth to burn an animal sacrifice?! Well, this is what many deceived people believed, but that is not what verse actually talked about. You need to find out what fire signifies in Scripture. You need to do some bit homework with your Bible which I will show you how.

Jeremiah 5:14
[14] Wherefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them.

Did God prophesy that people will spew literal fire out of their mouths to devour them? Of course not. It is God's Word that comes out of the mouths "as fire" to devour the enemies. The Word of God is the power that comes out of their testimony as a fire to signify judgment! Selah!

Likewise in Revelation 13:13, what do you think the fire signifies when these false prophets and christs (beast) make it come down from heaven? What heaven is it? Literal Heaven where God is, or the kingdom of heaven that the congregation of God represents? Hint: what is THIS fire represents? Is it the Word of God or the word of Satan?

Revelation 13:11
[11] And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

Is it the doctrine of Satan that that come out of the false prophets and christs, who are pretending to be anointed from heaven, testify? Humm??

Well, think about it.

Antichrist will rule the world but the false prophet will lead Israel.

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Nope. Not going to happen.

R. Hartono said:

He could be the 2nd beast of Revelation 13, would you believe it.
Because its the 2nd beast who will make fire come down from heaven to burn the animal sacrifice offerings at the 3rd Temple.

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

Antichrist will rule the world but the false prophet will lead Israel.

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Keeping in mind a trinity--the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The unholy trinity would be satan, the beast, and the false prophet. satan would be a fake imitation of the Father. And since it is through the Holy Spirit in regards to miracles, per the Holy Trinity, and that the fp also has the ability to perform miracles, the fp would be a fake imitation of the Holy Spirit. As to the unholy trinity, who is it's voice, so to speak? The first beast. As to the Holy trinity, who is it's voice, so to speak? It is the Son. Therefore the AC is the first beast.

SORRY for the long post, but I am PERHAPS saving you time from flipping through the "word of God" !!

Revelation 13:18
Here is wisdom.
Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the "beast",
for the number is that of A MAN;
and HIS number is six hundred and sixty-six.(666)

Matthew 24...Jesus' "end times" Prophesy: Perilous Times and "Great Tribulation"
15 “Therefore when you see the "abomination of desolation" which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), (temple Jerusalem)
16 then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains.
21 For then there will be a "great tribulation",
such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will.
22 Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved;
but for the sake of the elect (believers,) those days will be cut short.
23 Then if anyone says to you,
‘Behold, here is the Christ,’ or ‘There He is,’ do not believe him.

Daniel 11:31
Forces from him will arise, desecrate the sanctuary fortress, and do away with the regular sacrifice.
And they will set up the "abomination of desolation".

Daniel 12:11
From the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the "abomination of desolation" is set up,
there will be 1,290 days (of days = 70 years)

Nation Israel's clock stopped at year 69 when The Christ, The Divine Messiah was denied.
The "Second Coming" starts it again! Israel will then have all of its promises/covenants fulfilled!

The "abomination of desolation" IS the PERSON OF:
anti-christ, the beast, the "man of lawlessness", the "son of destruction"

2 Thessalonians 2 (NASB)..."Man of Lawlessness"
1 Now we request you, brethren,
with regard to the (Second) coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him,(Rapture)
2 that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit
or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that "the day of the Lord" has come.
3 Let no one in any way deceive you,
for it ("the day of the Lord") will not come unless the "apostasy" (falling away / growing cold comes first,
and the "man of lawlessness" is revealed, the "son of destruction",
4 who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship,
so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.

For ("the day of the Lord") SEE:
2 Peter 3:10
[ A New Heaven and Earth ] But the day of the Lord will come like a thief,

THE BEAST!

Revelation 11:7
When they have finished their testimony,
the beast that comes up out of the abyss will make war with them, and overcome them and kill them.


Revelation 13:1-4 [ The Beast from the Sea ]
And the dragon (devil/satan) stood on the sand of the seashore.
Then I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having ten horns and seven heads, and
on his horns were ten diadems, and on
his heads were blasphemous names.
And the beast which I saw was like a leopard, and
his feet were like those of a bear, and
his mouth like the mouth of a lion.
And the dragon ((devil/satan) gave him his power and his throne and great authority.
I saw one of his heads as if it had been slain, and his fatal wound was healed.
And the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast;
they worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast;
and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?”


Revelation 13:11-18 [ The Beast from the Earth ]
Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb and he spoke as a dragon.He exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence. And he makes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose fatal wound was healed.
And he deceives those who dwell on the earth because of the signs which it was given him to perform in the presence of the beast,
telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who had the wound of the sword and has come to life.
And it was given to him to give breath to the image of the beast,
so that the image of the beast would even speak and
cause as many as do not worship the image of the beast to be killed.
and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell,
except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the "number of his name".
Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast,
for the number is that of a man;
and his number is six hundred and sixty-six.

Revelation 14:11 (doom for the followers of the beast)
And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night,
those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

Revelation 17:13
These (horns=kings) have one purpose, and they give their power and authority to the beast.

Revelation 19:20 [ Doom of the Beast and False Prophet ]
And the beast was seized, and with him the "false prophet" (anti-spirit) who performed the signs in his presence,
by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image;
these two were thrown alive into the "lake of fire" which burns with brimstone.

Revelation 20:10 [ Doom of the unholy three ]
And the devil (satan/serpent/dragon) who deceived them was thrown into the "lake of fire" and brimstone,
where the beast (anti-christ) and the false prophet (anti-spirit) are also;
and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Spiritual eternal separation from God:

The "Lake of Fire" was made for the "unholy three" + death + hades + UNBELIEVERS!

Matthew 15 (NASB)...Jesus' Judgment of the NATIONS (ethnos)
46 These (Unbelieving goat NATIONS) will go away into eternal punishment, (in the "lake of fire")
but the righteous (believing sheep NATIONS) into eternal life.” (in the heavenly realms)

Matthew 13...Jesus' parable of the "wheat" (believers) the "tares" (UNbelievers) Explained
36 Then He left the crowds and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him and said,
“Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field.”
37 And He said,
“The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man,
38 and the field is the world;
and as for the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom (children of God)
; and the tares are the sons of the evil one (devil);
39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil,
and the harvest is the "end of the age" (of Grace);
and the reapers are angels.
40 So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire,
so shall it be at the end of the age.
41 The Son of Man will send forth His angels,
and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks,
and those who commit lawlessness,
42 and will throw them into the "furnace of fire";
in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father.
He who has ears, let him hear.

TribulationSigns said:

First, you got a wrong interpretation for the beast as if they must be some individual man with supernatural power. That is NOT what God talked about!

The beast, as God defined it in Scripture, is just a body of carnal men, spiritually marked by Satan, their spirit of disobedience. That is it.

And pray tell, you actually believe someone will cause a literal fire to fall from space on earth to burn an animal sacrifice?! Well, this is what many deceived people believed, but that is not what verse actually talked about. You need to find out what fire signifies in Scripture. You need to do some bit homework with your Bible which I will show you how.

Jeremiah 5:14
[14] Wherefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them.

Did God prophesy that people will spew literal fire out of their mouths to devour them? Of course not. It is God's Word that comes out of the mouths "as fire" to devour the enemies. The Word of God is the power that comes out of their testimony as a fire to signify judgment! Selah!

Likewise in Revelation 13:13, what do you think the fire signifies when these false prophets and christs (beast) make it come down from heaven? What heaven is it? Literal Heaven where God is, or the kingdom of heaven that the congregation of God represents? Hint: what is THIS fire represents? Is it the Word of God or the word of Satan?

Revelation 13:11
[11] And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

Is it the doctrine of Satan that that come out of the false prophets and christs, who are pretending to be anointed from heaven, testify? Humm??

Well, think about it.



Nope. Not going to happen.

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You actually think it is not possible that a person could call fire down from heaven How wrong you are as Elijah called upon God to have fire come diwn from heaven and it happened!!
God Himself is sending this great delusion so that people who have rejected Jesus will believe the delusion and believe the false messiah to be the
true messiah so they follow the false messiah
That is the purpose of the Antichrist and false prophet
It is God purging rebelious people just like back when God told Moses of those who rebelled and wanted the golden calf to worship instead of Holy God !

seventysevens said:

You actually think it is not possible that a person could call fire down from heaven How wrong you are as Elijah called upon God to have fire come diwn from heaven and it happened!!
God Himself is sending this great delusion so that people who have rejected Jesus will believe the delusion and believe the false messiah to be the
true messiah so they follow the false messiah
That is the purpose of the Antichrist and false prophet
It is God purging rebelious people just like back when God told Moses of those who rebelled and wanted the golden calf to worship instead of Holy God !

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You don't get it. You need to read the verses carefully:


Sorry, but you're inaccurate again. The Bible does not say the beast "called" down fire from heaven, it says he does great wonders so that he makes fire to come down from heaven. That's not semantics, it's a very different idea from him calling down fire from heaven "as if" he were a prophet like Elijah. The real question is, "how does he make fire come down from heaven?" Does he call or command it to come from heaven (as is the implication you are making), or in context does he cause it to come down "BY" the great wonders he does, which are clearly an abomination to God. When you look at the passage carefully, that's exactly what he does. And the additional passage I gave in Revelation 20:9 makes it plain that it is correct that he caused it to come down by his actions against God's church (camp of the saints), which is why God consequently sent it to destroy them. Again:

Fire came down from heaven to devour the beast because it compassed or encircled the camp of the saints. For example, it's God's judgment (fire) upon them, not something they themselves wanted and so called it down upon themselves. Get it?! Obviously, they weren't seeking judgment upon themselves, they were seeking converts as they were under a strong delusion in thinking they were doing God a service. In the Biblical context, we see that these are the "deceived." The beast or false prophets, or your so-called false Messiah cannot call fire from heaven anymore than the false prophets in Elijah's day could call down fire from heaven. Hello?

However, they did make or cause fire to come down from heaven to devour them "because" of their abominations. That is God's judgment upon them.

Sigh...As saith the preacher, there is nothing new under the sun. Read carefully next time and stop making wild imaginations.

TribulationSigns said:

You don't get it. You need to read the verses carefully:

Revelation 13:13-14
[13] And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
[14] And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.​

Sorry, but you're inaccurate again. The Bible does not say the beast "called" down fire from heaven, it says he does great wonders so that he makes fire to come down from heaven. That's not semantics, it's a very different idea from him calling down fire from heaven "as if" he were a prophet like Elijah. The real question is, "how does he make fire come down from heaven?" Does he call or command it to come from heaven (as is the implication you are making), or in context does he cause it to come down "BY" the great wonders he does, which are clearly an abomination to God. When you look at the passage carefully, that's exactly what he does. And the additional passage I gave in Revelation 20:9 makes it plain that it is correct that he caused it to come down by his actions against God's church (camp of the saints), which is why God consequently sent it to destroy them. Again:

Revelation 20:9
[9] And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
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Fire came down from heaven to devour the beast because it compassed or encircled the camp of the saints. For example, it's God's judgment (fire) upon them, not something they themselves wanted and so called it down upon themselves. Get it?! Obviously, they weren't seeking judgment upon themselves, they were seeking converts as they were under a strong delusion in thinking they were doing God a service. In the Biblical context, we see that these are the "deceived." The beast or false prophets, or your so-called false Messiah cannot call fire from heaven anymore than the false prophets in Elijah's day could call down fire from heaven. Hello?

However, they did make or cause fire to come down from heaven to devour them "because" of their abominations. That is God's judgment upon them.

Sigh...As saith the preacher, there is nothing new under the sun. Read carefully next time and stop making wild imaginations.

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No you dont get it
God sends the false messiah and false prophet to convince the people that rejected Jesus as Messiah so that they would believe the false messiah and follow him to their doom
So God allows the deception to fool people into believing in the false messiah and false prophet
As the false prophet performs miracles to cause people to believe they really are from God
Otherwise they would not follow and suppport the false messiah

seventysevens said:

No you dont get it
God sends the false messiah and false prophet to convince the people that rejected Jesus as Messiah so that they would believe the false messiah and follow him to their doom
So God allows the deception to fool people into believing in the false messiah and false prophet
As the false prophet performs miracles to cause people to believe they really are from God
Otherwise they would not follow and suppport the false messiah

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You did not listen nor read. This has NOTHING to do with so-called false messiah. The beast is the body of carnel men, the false prophets and christs.

Again...I wrote:


What "great wonders" did God talked about here? Do you realize that the "signs and lying wonders" refer to false gospel that they testify in God's congregation? God is NOT talking about someone "calling" down fire from heaven literally! It is because of the false gospel (lying signs and wonders) that the beast "MADE" the fire to come down from heaven. In other words, God is using their false gospel "AS FIRE" to judge upon those who do not love the truth. It is the judgment from heaven!

Read carefully what Paul wrote about the same thing!

2 Thessalonians 2:9-11
[9] Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
[10] And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
[11] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Verse 11 is what the fire from heaven signifies! Nothing is said about someone will call literal fire to come down from heaven like Elijah did. God is using their signs and lying wonders AS FIRE upon those who do not love the truth so that He will cause people of the congregation to believe whatever false prophets teach in the church today. For example, Joel Osteen, Joyce Meyers, Joseph Prince, etc. etc. This is a judgment from heaven upon professed Christians.

Sorry, dude, there won't be your so-called False Messiah who will have some power to call upon fire to literally coming down from heaven. It is your private interpretation and not what God's Word is saying. And your mind is too carnal to actually understand what verses are talking about, as well as the context.

TribulationSigns said:

You did not listen nor read. This has NOTHING to do with so-called false messiah. The beast is the body of carnel men, the false prophets and christs.

Again...I wrote:

"The Bible does not say the beast "called" down fire from heaven, it says he does great wonders so that he makes fire to come down from heaven."​

Verse 11 is what the fire from heaven signifies! Nothing is said about someone will call literal fire to come down from heaven like Elijah did. God is using their signs and lying wonders AS FIRE upon those who do not love the truth so that He will cause people of the congregation to believe whatever false prophets teach in the church today. For example, Joel Osteen, Joyce Meyers, Joseph Prince, etc. etc. This is a judgment from heaven upon professed Christians.

Sorry, dude, there won't be your so-called False Messiah who will have some power to call upon fire to literally coming down from heaven. It is your private interpretation and not what God's Word is saying. And your mind is too carnal to actually understand what verses are talking about, as well as the context.

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First you need to understand it is not the antichrist doing it - It is the false prophet
Rev 13 (KJV)
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

(NKJV)
12 And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.

14 And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast
exactly what I said previously !

The point is that He does these things in order to convince people of their power so they will worship the beast

Jesus said that many false christs will appear claiming to be Jesus - that has already happened many times in the past few decades - some people follow them as if there were messiah - but most people don't as they shouldn't - as most people just flick it off not even giving it thought or consideration
But when someone is able to bring fire down from heaven IN SIGHT OF MEN , it will be getting mass media attention and many people will believe these people are from God and worship the beast

Your carnal mind can't understand basics
your ego however is massive

Revelation 13:18
Here is wisdom.
Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the "beast", (anti-christ)
for the number is that of A MAN;
and HIS number is six hundred and sixty-six.(666)

...revealed gradually during the first 3.5 years of Matthew 24 tribulations.

seventysevens said:

First you need to understand it is not the antichrist doing it - It is the false prophet

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You don't get it. The "antichrist" is anyone with SPIRIT of antichrist as opposite to those with spirit of Christ! There won't be "one" antichrist coming. And there won't be "one" false prophet" coming. The beast with two horns like a lamb is a BODY of false prophets and christs. Not one like you thought.

Rev 13 (KJV)
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

(NKJV)
12 And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.

14 And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast

exactly what I said previously !

The point is that He does these things in order to convince people of their power so they will worship the beast

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Do you honestly think "he" will convince people with his power by mamakingire come down from heaven himself so they will worship him? LOL!!! This is not what God mean.

Jesus said that many false christs will appear claiming to be Jesus - that has already happened many times in the past few decades - some people follow them as if there were messiah - but most people don't as they shouldn't - as most people just flick it off not even giving it thought or consideration

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I think you missed the point that Christ made here. Those who come claiming that they are Christ, but are not, and so deceive "many," are those coming claiming to be Christs' or Christians, and are not. They are the only ones who possibly could deceive many in doing so. Selah! Surely some lunatic come claiming he is literally Christ is not going to deceive the world! However, false Christs' who come as wolves in sheep's clothing will! See the difference? They are those who falsely take the name of Christ. Just as our Lord spoke of them when He addressed the messenger of the Church at Sardis:

Revelation 3:1
"And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead."

They had the Name of Christ, but they had no life in Christ. They were dead in trespass and sin, but they had taken the name of Christ. They are the ones who had deceive many in comparison to few lunatic people you claimed are the ones who think they are Christ themselves. Big difference!

But when someone is able to bring fire down from heaven IN SIGHT OF MEN , it will be getting mass media attention and many people will believe these people are from God and worship the beast

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A literal man who can bring literal fire down from the sky through mass media will cause people to believe him? Good luck finding your false Messiah and his "false prophet" like that! This is NOT what God talked about. Sorry!

The unholy tri-nity: 3 evil spirit persons!
1. devil/satan/serpent/dragon/ etc /lucifer?
2. anti-christ/beast/666
3. anti-spirit/false prophet

Revelation 19:20 [ Doom of the Beast and False Prophet ]
And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the "lake of fire" which burns with brimstone.

Revelation 20:10
And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the "lake of fire" and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels (demons) were thrown down with him.

Revelation 20:2
And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, (Eden) who is the devil and satan, and bound him for a thousand years;