What day of the week was Jesus resurrected? And how do we know?

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"The Sabbath was made for mankind" Mark 2:27 -- "not mankind made for the Sabbath"

That is what Jesus told the Pharisees, who tried to make mankind for the Sabbath. Jesus told them, that it is the other way around.

Which speaks of the "making of both".

No, Adam rested in God's Sabbath, before the Israelites were given their Sabbath. When God rested, Adam was made on the sixth day, so that he entered God's Sabbath within the first 24 hours of his creation. Adam was therefore made for the Sabbath, in contrast to the Israelites to whom the Sabbath was made for. Two totally different Sabbaths.

We see "the making of both" in Genesis 1-2.

No, God did not make the Sabbath for Adam, because Adam needed NOT to toil for his food, in order for him to have one day a week rest. Adam was made when God rested and so Adam before the fall was in God's Sabbath rest perpetually, because God rested.

Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made"

Exactly, so too Adam was born into that eternal rest day and needed not, like the Israelites to rest one day a week, because he never laboured for his food.

Sounds like creative writing. Ex 20:11 makes it clear it was one single day --

For the Israelites yes, it was a Sabbath made for them, for them to rest one day a week. However, for Adam there is no one day rest, because he was born in God's Sabbath and needed not to rest one day a week, because he didn't need to work for a living, hence he entered God's rest at birth. Big difference. It sounds like revelation to the 7DAs.

Less creative writing - more Bible please.

Say what!

Another example of a text that does not appear to help the point you would like to make since in Hebrews 4 the statement is that the Sabbath "remains" as it was in Psalms 95 at the time of David... unchanged.

Another rest day, is one in contrast to the rest day given to the Israelites. The Hebrews author states that the believer enters God's rest, just like Adam entered God's rest day at birth. For a Christian, they enter God's rest day, when they are made a new creation, in the Image of the last Adam Jesus Christ. Israelites on the other hand, never entered God's rest, but merely were given one day a week rest. The Hebrews author clearly makes this distinction, as follows.....

Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said “So I declared on oath in my anger, ‘They shall never enter my rest.’ ” On the seventh day God rested from all his works.” And again in the passage above he says, “They shall never enter my rest.”
6Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, 7God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.”
11Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.

It is clear that the Israelites were given a Sabbath, but that Sabbath did not mean that they entered God's rest. However Adam and the born again believers in Christ do enter the Sabbath rest and rest from their works of disobedience. This means that we like Adam are made for the Sabbath and every day is the Sabbath rest of God, because as scripture states......

And yet his works have been finished since the creation of the world.

Since the seventh day God had rested from his works and Adam being the first to enter it, was then evicted from God's rest and the Israelites were given a Sabbath that still prevented them from entering God's rest, yet after Jesus, the born again believers have entered God's rest and have rested from their works of disobedience.

If we are in God's rest, why would we think that only one day is his rest, when God has been at rest and we as the new born creation are entered in God's Sabbath perpetually, just like Adam.

Think about it and dispense this revelation to my 7DA brothers and sisters.

Love in Christ Jesus.
 
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The Bible does not confirm what you are stating. The Sabbath was the 7th day of the Creation week and God honoured that day and memorialized it. It is why the formal covenant made with the Israelites stated that the 7th day Sabbath was to be remembered. Remembered back to the origin of it the 7th day of Creation. The same way we are told in Isaiah that we will come to worship God on the 7th day Sabbath on the new earth, Eden renewed, was the same as it was in the beginning.



Adams relationship with God was severed when he disobeyed and it was only through the plan of redemption that Adam was given the chance to become sanctified through Christ and to regain that relationship with the Father.





Again not scriptural... Jesus said that the Sabbath was made for man... that included Adam as he was the first man. You can try and twist this if you want but facts remain the same. Adam was not different from us. Yes, He lived in Paradise in a sinless state just a swe will on the earth made new. He was also in a fallen state, just as we are. There was no special Sabbath only for Adam.




Those are your words not based on Bible truth. Show me the scripture that say the 8th day, 1st day, any day other than the 7th day was spiritual.

I have at depth answered why we have entered God's rest to @BobRyan in my post #61 below......

What day of the week was Jesus resurrected? And how do we know?

I have a question for you friend......

Are you keeping the Sabbath like the Israelite's? Y/N

Have you entered God's rest day? Y/N

God has been at rest, since he finished Creation, now the Israelites kept a Sabbath, but the Hebrews author states, that they never entered God's rest. So, to the above questions, you can only answer yes to one of them.

If you keep the Sabbath like the Israelites did, then by implication you are unwittingly demonstrating to God and his Christ, that you have not entered his rest day, which happened on the seventh day, when God rested.

If you say you have entered God's rest day as a new creation in Christ Jesus, then you are not keeping the Sabbath, because you are in the Sabbath by faith and obedience to Christ and by resting from your works of disobedience.

Which one is it?

It is not really that complicated. Either you have entered the rest day of God or you haven't. When you enter the rest day with God, who has never stopped from resting, since his works have been finished since the creation of the world, then there is no point of keeping a Sabbath that the Israelites kept, and who could not enter God's rest. The reason being is, that believers, like Adam are new born made for God's rest day.
 
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Let us understand why the Sabbath rest day was for the Israelites, BUT...... NOT for Adam.

That would be a great thing to show - were it true.

"The Sabbath was made for mankind" Mark 2:27 -- "not mankind made for the Sabbath"

Which speaks of the "making of both".

We see "the making of both" in Genesis 1-2.

Genesis 1 - the making of man
Genesis 2 - the making of the Sabbath.

Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made". Gen 2

Ex 20
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Adam was living in God's Sabbath perpetually. Do you understand, that Adam's every day, was within God's rest day

Sounds like creative writing. Ex 20:11 makes it clear it was one single day --
Less creative writing - more Bible please.

That is why the apostle wrote.......

8Now if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day. 9So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. 10For whoever enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from His. 11Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same pattern of disobedience. (Hebrews 4:8-11)

Another example of a text that does not appear to help the point you would like to make since in Hebrews 4 the statement is that the Sabbath "remains" as it was in Psalms 95 at the time of David... unchanged.

No, Adam rested in God's Sabbath, before the "were given their Sabbath. When God rested, Adam was made on the sixth day, so that he entered God's Sabbath within the first 24 hours of his creation. Adam was therefore made for the Sabbath,

"Adam was made for the Sabbath" is merely you quoting "you"

I prefer Jesus "the Sabbath was made for mankind" - Mark 2:27

Clearly we differ on what we accept as a source.

"No, God did not make the Sabbath for Adam, because Adam needed to toil for his food

Nonsense

That is more creative writing.. more you "quoting you".

Adam did not work 6 days and then Sabbath... rather as even you admitted Adam's first full day - was Sabbath.

Exactly, so too Adam was born into that eternal rest day and needed not, like the Israelites to rest one day a week

again that is "you" quoting "you" for "Adam was born into that eternal rest day"

Quote God instead.

Ex 20: 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

For the Israelites yes, it was a Sabbath made for them, for them to rest one day a week.

No Sabbath is "made" in Exodus 20 - it already existed before that as Ex 20:11 points all the way back to Genesis 2:1-3 and Exodus 16 says "tomorrow is the Sabbath" they already had manna falling 6 days a week - and not on the Bible Sabbath.

However, for Adam there is no one day rest, because he was born in God's Sabbath and needed not to rest one day a week, because he didn't need to work for a living

, hence he entered God's rest at birth. Big difference. It sounds like revelation to the 7DAs.

Creative writing -- again.

the "Baptist Confession of Faith" section 22 agrees with the Bible position I point out for Genesis
the "Westminster Confession of Faith" section 21 agrees with the Bible position I point out for Genesis
 
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That would be a great thing to show - were it true.

"The Sabbath was made for mankind" Mark 2:27 -- "not mankind made for the Sabbath"

Which speaks of the "making of both".

We see "the making of both" in Genesis 1-2.

Genesis 1 - the making of man
Genesis 2 - the making of the Sabbath.

Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made". Gen 2

Ex 20
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.



Sounds like creative writing. Ex 20:11 makes it clear it was one single day --
Less creative writing - more Bible please.



Another example of a text that does not appear to help the point you would like to make since in Hebrews 4 the statement is that the Sabbath "remains" as it was in Psalms 95 at the time of David... unchanged.



"Adam was made for the Sabbath" is merely you quoting "you"

I prefer Jesus "the Sabbath was made for mankind" - Mark 2:27

Clearly we differ on what we accept as a source.



Nonsense

That is more creative writing.. more you "quoting you".

Adam did not work 6 days and then Sabbath... rather as even you admitted Adam's first full day - was Sabbath.



again that is "you" quoting "you" for "Adam was born into that eternal rest day"

Quote God instead.

Ex 20: 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.



No Sabbath is "made" in Exodus 20 - it already existed before that as Ex 20:11 points all the way back to Genesis 2:1-3 and Exodus 16 says "tomorrow is the Sabbath" they already had manna falling 6 days a week - and not on the Bible Sabbath.





Creative writing -- again.

the "Baptist Confession of Faith" section 22 agrees with the Bible position I point out for Genesis
the "Westminster Confession of Faith" section 21 agrees with the Bible position I point out for Genesis

Simple questions friend.....

Do you keep a Sabbath day (24 hours) as the Israelites did? Y/N

Have you entered God's rest? Y/N

Note: Only one can be answered as a yes, otherwise you have to refute scripture to prove otherwise.
 
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Simple questions friend.....

Do you keep a Sabbath day (24 hours) as the Israelites did? Y/N

Yes -- as did Adam.

Have you entered God's rest? Y/N

Yes - and I also sleep every night of the week

Note: Only one can be answered as a yes, otherwise you have to refute scripture to prove otherwise.

False - because you did not provide any scripture saying that if you honor God's Commandments then you can't possibly be resting in God's rest.

God's Sabbath commandment does not say "if you are sinless and don't need the Gospel - then obey this commandment"

None of the Ten Commandments say to ignore them unless you are a sinless being in Eden or in heaven.

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Baptist Confession of Faith -- section 22

22. Worship and the Sabbath Day

1. The light of nature shows that there is a God Who has lordship and sovereignty over all, is just and good, and Who does good to all. Therefore He is to be feared, loved, praised, called upon, trusted in, and served, with all the heart and all the soul, and with all the might. But the acceptable way of worshipping the true God has been instituted by Himself, and therefore our method of worship is limited by His own revealed will. He may not be worshipped according to the imagination and devices of men, nor the suggestions of Satan. He may not be worshipped by way of visible representations, or by any other way not prescribed in the Holy Scriptures.


7. As it is the law of nature that in general a proportion of time, by God's appointment, should be set apart for the worship of God, so He has given in His Word a positive, moral and perpetual commandment, binding upon all men, in all ages to this effect. He has particularly appointed one day in seven for a Sabbath to be kept holy for Him. From the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ this was the last day of the week,...

8. The Sabbath is kept holy to the Lord by those who, after the necessary preparation of their hearts and prior arranging of their common affairs, observe all day a holy rest from their own works, words and thoughts about their worldly employment and recreations, and give themselves over to the public and private acts of worship for the whole time, and to carrying out duties of necessity and mercy.

And of course that document claims it was THE seventh day from Eden to the cross - and then was changed to week-day-1 after the cross.
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Westminster Confession of Faith section 21 contains the same doctrine
 
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Yes -- and as Adam did

Adam did not need to keep a Sabbath like the Israelites, because he was born in God's rest day and needed not to work.

Yes - and I also sleep every night of the week

If you have entered God's Sabbath rest by resting from your works of disobedience as scripture states, then like Adam you are a new born creation, who is not requested to keep a day a week Sabbath day, because you already are living in it every second of your life.

False - because you did not provide any scripture saying that if you honor God's Commandments then you can't possibly be resting in God's rest.

That line of reasoning does not need to be proven directly. The Hebrews author stated that the Israelites who kept a day in a week did NOT enter God"s rest.

God's Sabbath commandment does not say "if you are sinless and don't need the Gospel - then obey this commandment"

What on earth are you talking about. This is never the argument in the first place, it doesn't even enter the scope of our discussion.

None of the Ten Commandments say to ignore them unless you are a sinless being in Eden or in heaven.

If you enter God's rest, you cannot ignore that you are in it and so what exactly are you keeping?
 
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Adam did not need to keep a Sabbath

Christ said he did ..
"Sabbath was made for mankind" Mark 2:27
And when He spoke Exodus 20:11 he refers back to Adam's Sabbath saying it was binding on mankind

So even though you have your own preference on that detail - the Bible has already addressed it.

If you have entered God's Sabbath rest by resting from your works of disobedience as scripture states, then like Adam you are a new born creation

That is creative writing - - not scripture. You knew that right?

That line of reasoning does not need to be proven directly. The Hebrews author stated that the Israelites who kept a day in a week did NOT enter God"s rest.

The Hebrews 4 chapter does not say "because they obeyed God - they did not enter his rest".
Hebrews 4 does not say "because they kept the Sabbath as defined in the Word of God - they did not enter God's rest".

Hebrews 4 says
2 For we also have had the Gospel proclaimed to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because they did not share the faith of those who obeyed."3 Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said,
“So I declared on oath in my anger,
‘They shall never enter my rest.'
And yet his works have been finished since the creation of the world. 4 For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: “On the seventh day God rested from all his works. 5 And again in the passage above he says, “They shall never enter my rest.”
6 Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the Gospel proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience

You have mangled the text that says they did not enter God's rest due to disobedience -- into something of the form "They did not enter God's rest because they keep God's Word regarding the Sabbath"
 
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He may not be worshipped by way of visible representations, or by any other way not prescribed in the Holy Scriptures

Israelites did worship God outwardly, within their outwardly temple centred religion. They faced Jerusalem where the temple was and prayed. This is worshipping God by way of visible representation.

Christians, by request of Jesus are not to worship like the Israelite's, that is by way of visible representation. Christians are to worship inwardly in the Spirit and pray within their heart of flesh, in the secret space of the closet of the heart. They become the Temple of God where the Holy Spirit is said by scriptures to dwell.

He has given in His Word a positive, moral and perpetual commandment, binding upon all men, in all ages to this effect.

Jesus as the last Adam said, you in me and I in you. This perpetual commandment is therefore Christ centred, meaning that those in Christ live not according to the flesh, but live according to the Spirit and by doing so are come into adoption as sons, where they cry Father (Romans 8).

The perpetual commandment is being a new born perpetually within God's rest and having the heart of flesh which rests from the works of disobedience. Jesus said that for a new born in the Spirit, all the commandments can be summarised into two. The Sabbath being now internal and not visible, like the Israelite's one day a week, because a new born like Adam is born into God's rest, through Christ Jesus. Christians, unlike the Israelite's have entered God's rest and every second of their lives, are living it spiritually. Again it is worshipping God by way of none visible representation as the Baptist Confession of faith states.

give themselves over to the public and private acts of worship for the whole time, and to carrying out duties of necessity and mercy.

What is stopping a new born Christian from doing that 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

And of course that document claims it was THE seventh day from Eden to the cross - and then was changed to week-day-1 after the cross

The Sabbath day wasn't changed. The Christians entered it, meaning they are now living in God's rest, since he created tge world and rested.
 
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Christ said he did ..
"Sabbath was made for mankind" Mark 2:27

Man was NOT made for the Sabbath. Adam and the new born in Christ are made for the Sabbath, because they enter it.

And when He spoke Exodus 20:11 he refers back to Adam's Sabbath saying it was binding on mankind

The Israelite's in Exodus did not enter God's Sabbath, a Sabbath was given them to rest from their visible works of flesh, because worship was outward, in contrast to new borns in Christ, that is a heart of stone as compared to a heart of flesh.

The Hebrews 4 chapter does not say "because they obeyed God - they did not enter his rest".

On the contrary it said that the Israelite's disobeyed. Yet for a new born in Christ we who rest from our works of disobedience enter God's rest and invisibly live it perpetually ever second of our lives. We are living with a heart of flesh that God gave us, as compared to the heart of stone, which the Israelite's has.

Hebrews 4 does not say "because they kept the Sabbath as defined in the Word of God - they did not enter God's rest"

It says though they kept the Sabbath, they were prevented from entering God's rest, because they were not regenerated from their governed visible fleshly ways to invisible spiritual ways, as new borns are in Christ Jesus.

So scripture states that them keeping the Sabbath did NOT avail them the pass to enter God's rest. The missing link is that their heart was an unregenerated heart of stone.

You have mangled the text that says they did not enter God's rest due to disobedience -- into something of the form "They did not enter God's rest because they keep God's Word regarding the Sabbath"

The disobedience was that heart of stone, that is the mind governed by flesh (reas Romans 8). It has nothing to do with keeping the word or keeping the Sabbath.
It was an internal thing that God did on Pentecost that availed access for new borns in Christ, to the rest day in the Garden that Adam enjoyed. The last Adam fixed the breach in the Garden, by nailing those visible fleshly ordinances to the Cross.
Adam was not under those fleshly ordinances, neither are new borns in Christ Jesus.
 
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Adam did not need to keep a Sabbath

Christ said he did ..
"Sabbath was made for mankind" Mark 2:27
And when He spoke Exodus 20:11 he refers back to Adam's Sabbath saying it was binding on mankind

So even though you have your own preference on that detail - the Bible has already addressed it.

Man was NOT made for the Sabbath.

yeah ... "what I said"
Let's see how long you can stay on that point.


Adam and the new born in Christ are made for the Sabbath

Nope .. that would be "you" quoting "you".

This is the easy part of our discussion


The Israelite's in Exodus did not enter God's Sabbath,

Only true of "some" which are the wicked.. those who are identified here

Heb 4: 6 Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the Gospel proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience

All of the giants of faith held up as examples for NT saints - in Heb 11 of among the Israel of the OT.
 
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Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience,

Jewish author is speaking of the Jews to whom the gospel was preached to first. It is not talking of the Old Covenant times.

They remain in disobedience, because those Jews during Jesus ministry, did not embrace the Christ and so, just like those old testament peoples who could not enter, they too will not enter.

The Cross is what enables people to enter God's rest. Even though these Jews were observing ordinances and the one day a week Sabbath, they were declared as disobedient and banished from God's rest day.

I require from you friend, context and not pretex.
 
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So do you and your 7DA colleagues keep a Sabbath day, just like the disobedient Jews during Jesus time, who had rejected Christ's ministry, who rejected his gospel? Yes/No

You answered Yes previously.

But let me correct you if I may, by answering a resounding NO, because you are in Christ Jesus, right?

So, let me re-emphasis my point......

You as a 7DA have entered God's rest because of your obedience, unlike the Jews of Jesus time who kept the one day a week Sabbath.

So, may I ask you then, why do you then continue to pretend that you have not entered God's rest, by a form of self glorified works of the flesh in progres, like the disobedient Jews who refused the gospel of Jesus Christ?

If you have entered God's rest as a new born in Jesus Christ, you cannot pay homage to flesh, by glorifying a 24 hour day of the week. Doing so, is not the Holy Spirit Seal of God, but is what the disobedient Jews believed as their beastly (nationalistically driven) mark, by refusing to enter God's rest, according to Hebrews 4.

Those Jews who refused to enter, are declared by Paul as.....

The mind governed by the flesh, is hostile to God; it does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so. (Romans 8:7)

To push a one day a week Sabbath in the face of new born in Christ Gentiles, is what the Jews of Jesus time were guilty of. The Acts of the Apostles and the Apostles were clearly instructed by the Church in Jerusalem, that they were not to impose this upon the Gentiles. Peter was reprimanded by God and Apostle Paul for his two faced agenda (Acts 10).

After all, the author in Hebrews, is writing on behalf of all the Church in Jerusalem.

Most people in the 7DA are Gentiles right?

When you impose a fleshly ordinance on the Jews and Gentles, how are you doing any differently?

I have watched countless 7DA videos deceiving and scaring the masses, that Sunday is the mark of the Beast. Wrong!

It is a one day a week Sabbath that the disobedient Jews were subjugation Gentiles to, that was a beastly nationalistic mark, in contrast to the Seal of the Holy Spirit, who is the Lord of the Sabbath and who re-creates us spiritually in the image of the last Adam, so that we may enter his rest Day.

God hasn't stopped resting, since he created the world. We, however are being adopted and perpetually entering His rest Day.
 
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I have at depth answered why we have entered God's rest to @BobRyan in my post #61 below......

What day of the week was Jesus resurrected? And how do we know?

I have a question for you friend......

Are you keeping the Sabbath like the Israelite's? Y/N

Have you entered God's rest day? Y/N

God has been at rest, since he finished Creation, now the Israelites kept a Sabbath, but the Hebrews author states, that they never entered God's rest. So, to the above questions, you can only answer yes to one of them.

If you keep the Sabbath like the Israelites did, then by implication you are unwittingly demonstrating to God and his Christ, that you have not entered his rest day, which happened on the seventh day, when God rested.

If you say you have entered God's rest day as a new creation in Christ Jesus, then you are not keeping the Sabbath, because you are in the Sabbath by faith and obedience to Christ and by resting from your works of disobedience.

Which one is it?

It is not really that complicated. Either you have entered the rest day of God or you haven't. When you enter the rest day with God, who has never stopped from resting, since his works have been finished since the creation of the world, then there is no point of keeping a Sabbath that the Israelites kept, and who could not enter God's rest. The reason being is, that believers, like Adam are new born made for God's rest day.
In the new covenant, ALL the Laws are more than literal, they are spiritual as well. Jesus taught us the key for being obedient in the new covenant when He told us that not only physical murder, but unrepented anger, is sin. This teaching was for all of the Law, nine of which we find concensus of understanding.

Under the old covenant, having no other gods before God meant a true physical representation of another god... an act of deity worship. In the new covenant, we understand this also now includes putting any of our worldly interests above God... it now comprises a hitherto unknown component of the Law.

This true of all 10 precepts of the Law... they have a literal component as well as a more spiritual construct. The 4th Commandment is no different. It can be kept literally as written in the old and also spiritually as written in the new by the indwelling of Christ's Spirit.
 
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The 4th Commandment is no different. It can be kept literally as written in the old and also spiritually as written in the new by the indwelling of Christ's Spirit.

Jesus summarised all the application of the ten commandments in two.
It is not the literal abstaining from those things, which the heart of stone was obligated to do so, under the old covenant ordinances. It is the spiritual abstaining from those things, within the heart of flesh.

But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. (Matthew 5:28)

Application to abstain from the heart does not require a literal obligation in the flesh.

(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. (Romans 2:14)

14We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. (Romans 7:14)

28A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. (Romans 2:28-29)

1You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?

The way the law is applied is paramount to the faith in Christ Jesus. Do you understand?

10For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” 11Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”f 12The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”

The works based application of the law is not faith based.

23Before the coming of this faith,jwe were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.25Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

Now that the faith in Jesus is revealed and by the Spirit we are born a new creation, we no longer apply the law outwardly, but inwardly in the heart of flesh.

Do you see what Apostle Paul saw?

Absolutely!

7DA it is now time to come to the full application of the law, through faith, knowing that you have entered God's rest, irrespective of the works of flesh.

You are therefore removed from your yolk.
 
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Jesus summarised all the application of the ten commandments in two.
It is not the literal abstaining from those things, which the heart of stone was obligated to do so, under the old covenant ordinances. It is the spiritual abstaining from those things, within the heart of flesh.

But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. (Matthew 5:28)

Application to abstain from the heart does not require a literal obligation in the flesh.

(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. (Romans 2:14)

14We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. (Romans 7:14)

28A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. (Romans 2:28-29)

1You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?

The way the law is applied is paramount to the faith in Christ Jesus. Do you understand?

10For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” 11Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”f 12The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”

The works based application of the law is not faith based.

23Before the coming of this faith,jwe were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.25Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

Now that the faith in Jesus is revealed and by the Spirit we are born a new creation, we no longer apply the law outwardly, but inwardly in the heart of flesh.

Do you see what Apostle Paul saw?

Absolutely!

7DA it is now time to come to the full application of the law, through faith, knowing that you have entered God's rest, irrespective of the works of flesh.

You are therefore removed from your yolk.
No yoke here... it is my delight to obey the Lord!

If you reject the literal application the the 4th Commandment, then you must also believe that the literal application of the other 9 does not apply as well. You believe that physical adultery is ok but that we are only obligated to the spiritual application? That it's wrong to remain in anger towards someone but physically killing them is ok because that is the old Law of bondage?

Please help me to understand how you can spiritually keep God's Law without ascribing to the letter?
 
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No yoke here... it is my delight to obey the Lord!

Let it be no yoke friend. It would be a delight that all obey the Lord in their heart of flesh.

19And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh: 20That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God. 21But as for them whose heart walketh after the heart of their detestable things and their abominations, I will recompense their way upon their own heads, saith the Lord GOD. (Ezekiel 11:19-21)

25Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you (Water John 3:5), and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit (Spirit (John 3:5) will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. (Ezekiel 35:25-27)

If you reject the literal application the the 4th Commandment, then you must also believe that the literal application of the other 9 does not apply as well.

When you say literal application, you are forgetting that The Law is become spiritual and the new covenant way to truly worship God is in the Spirit.

14We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. (Romans 7:14)

the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. (John 4:23-24)

The way we worship, along with how we apply the Law is changed from outwardly physical and after the flesh application to inwardly spiritual and after the Spirit application (read entire Romans 8).

This is where God the Holy Spirit replaces the heart of stone to a heart of flesh. Faith becomes intrinsically motivated to the new born believer, whereas previously under the literal application of the code, faith was extrinsically motivated by a Shiria like Sanhedrin style court system, that dispensed punishment punitively if the code WAS SEEN to not be followed. So people worked around this and continued in their un-regenerated state, as long as they were seen doing the right thing.

Intrinsic motivation refers to behavior that is driven by internal rewards. In other words, the motivation to engage in a behavior arises from within the individual because it is naturally satisfying to you. This contrasts with extrinsic motivation, which involves engaging in a behavior in order to earn external rewards or avoid punishment.

You tell me, how 7DA colleagues of yours have unwittingly done this towards their own congregation and others who are not of their congregation.

Believe me friend, Jesus did not intend for our faith, yours and mine to be motivated extrinsically by outside factors of influence.

You believe that physical adultery is ok but that we are only obligated to the spiritual application?

God forbid!
Absolutely not!

When we New Borns are motivated intrinsically by faith, within our internalised heart of flesh, the thought itself does not come into play in the first place. So the physical does not even apply and is therefore not applicable, because the heart is the source of all strife and mischief and when it is SELF-Regulated, it no longer becomes disobedient to the ways and laws of God.

We no longer do what is right outwardly to be seen of men, but we are self-corrected at the source of all strife and mischief and self-motivated to do what is right, self-regulated to own our faith by becoming independent learners (from the least to the greatest), by being intrinsically motivated by the Holy Spirit as our Rabbi (teacher), to grow in faith, in our life-long sanctification.

That it's wrong to remain in anger towards someone but physically killing them is ok because that is the old Law of bondage?

The same reply as above.

Please help me to understand how you can spiritually keep God's Law without ascribing to the letter?

As I explained previously, within my several posts, we are no longer outwardly seen of men to be keeping the Sabbath, because we New Born Creation in Christ have entered God's rest, because we have rested from our fleshly works of disobedience. God gives us rest from our carnal ways of the flesh and feeds us spiritual food, in our life long sanctification/completion of our faith until our race of faith is completed at biological death.

Unlike the Old Testament Israelite's, we are not being assessed by God on our flesh based works of not to commit murder, not to steal, not to lie, not to covet, not to lust, not to fail to observe rest from our own spiritual and not fleshly works.

We are being assessed differently than they were my wonderful friend. You see, we are not to rest from our labour physically to worship God in the Spirit, we need to rest from our own spiritual wickedness that manifests from the source, that is the heart. Once the source is intrinsically self regulated, then that is what counts to God as abiding in full coverage of the Law, without needing to have the Law, meaning the written codes.

Paul said this as follows.....

(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. (Romans 2:14)

It is my belief that the 7DA are blessed in that many of them have entered God's rest and they don't even know it and this is the sad thing, because they continue to pretend as if they need to outwardly in the flesh prove themselves to God, through fleshly applications of the law. I mean what I said and God knows.
 
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...because they continue to pretend as if they need to outwardly in the flesh prove themselves to God, through fleshly applications of the law. I mean what I said and God knows.

What does honouring your parents look like without a "fleshly application"?
 
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What does honouring your parents look like without a "fleshly application"?

I concur!
Having said that God is not a fleshly parent. God is Spirit (John 4:24).
Jesus said.....
23a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.” (John 4:23-24)

The Law is spiritual by application, because our Father in Heaven is Spirit.

Paul testifies to this.....
For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. (Romans 7:14)
 
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