How many "first" resurrections are there?

seventysevens said:

I did not say it was in the article - Facts are easy to find but as expected what you follow that is in the article is that when there is facts that disprove what you believe - you choose not to read it . It is very easy to find the facts about the maternal lineage but as expected you will not seek it as you prefer to follow replacement theology -

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I've cited a source. You've cited nothing. Until you do, mine is superior to yours.

jgr said:

I read the article. It merely reiterates many of the aspects of modernist dispensational cultism that BAB2 and I have been exposing for a long time now. And we will continue to do so.

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Thank you for admitting you two are just anti-dispensational trolls not worthy of any actual discussion. May God rebuke thee for calling all the scriptures I quoted as "modernism" and "cultism". You know what your problem is? You hate the Book when it crosses with your "archaism" and "tradition" (to use your kind of terminology back at you). We Bible Believers will keep on believing the Book. You can believe your garbage.

"Whoso despiseth the word shall be destroyed: but he that feareth the commandment shall be rewarded." (Proverbs 13:13 KJV).

jgr said:

I've cited a source. You've cited nothing. Until you do, mine is superior to yours.

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Simply proving my point with this

But you still fail to understand that God made promises to Israelite's - consider that the Man of Lawlessness will come into Israel to present himself as the (false) messiah
=Why Israel why not any other place on earth ?

why Jerusalem and not some other place on earth

Jesus returns to America ? Spain ? No Jesus returns to Israel

Where is the biggest war on earth to be held ? Japan ? No ! Israel

What will be the Capital city on earth - Jerusalem - what city will come down out of heaven - Dallas ? No! Jerusalem and many more I could name

But you don't seem to be able to discern that ISRAEL is Gods Chosen
and NO not all Christians are Israel as you simply you espouse replacement theology

Proving for the third time to you that no matter what evidence that is given to you that shows Almighty God had declared promises that are specific directed at ISRAEL and Not Christians
You refuse to acknowledge anything that proves this Fact -

For the third time no matter what source I give you, you will pretend it is not there just as you pretend that these given facts here you pretend they are not here

DavidPT said:

That's the way I interpret it as well.

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Then you see Yeshua as part of the harvest and not the High Priest? The High Priest delivers and waves the First Fruits to the Father. The writer of Hebrews seemed to think that Yeshua is the High Priest.

DavidPT said:

That's the way I interpret it as well.

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Then you see Yeshua as part of the harvest and not the High Priest? The High Priest delivers and waves the First Fruits to the Father.

1stcenturylady said:

For pre-tribbers, please answer this question. How many "first" resurrections are there? There is this one below in Revelation 20 after the tribulation, but then there was one 7 years prior??? Whose wrong??? John or the author of "Left Behind"?

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

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The First Resurrection is all of those raised with their names written in the Lambs book of life. Its not really relevant as per when, but I will will play along.

1.) Those raised from the dead and those alive when Jesus calls the Church home would be one.

2.) Those Beheaded who refused to take the Mark of the Beast would be two.

3.) Those mentioned in Daniel 12:2, the Jewish Saints of old might be three, but they could be raised at the same time as the Beheaded. Its UNKNOWABLE.

I assume anyone that dies during the 1000 year reign would go straight to Judgment of some type or another.

The Second Resurrection will be 1000 years later, there will be 1000 years worth of proof that mankind can live outside of "Willful sins". Thus they will all be judged in juxtaposition to the Righteous.

BABerean2 said:

Either you are confused or the author of the Book of Hebrews is confused, because the New Covenant is specifically applied to the church in the passage below.


Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

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Those of us who are members of the New Covenant Church have our own internal teacher, in the form of the Holy Spirit.

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


Luk 3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:


1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?


Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?


Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

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On the Day of Pentecost Peter addressed the crowd as "all the house of Israel" in Acts 2:36. On that day about 3,000 Israelites accepted the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31.

Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

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Below you will find Jeremiah 31:31-34 fulfilled by Christ during the first century.

Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; (from Jeremiah 31:31-34)

Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.


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Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


Ezekiel 39:23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.
25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.


If Ezekiel 39:29 has already been fulfilled, that also means Gog and his multitude are already long dead and buried. Obviously then, Ezekiel 39:29 has NOT already been fulfilled. Why am I bringing this up? If Jeremiah 31:31-34 has already been fulfilled according to you, well verse 34 says this---for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Compare that with this in Ezekiel 39:29----Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel. If that's still future, how in the world could Jeremiah 31:34 already be fulfilled? Obviously, if according to Jeremiah 31:34, He has already remembered their sin no more, this would mean He is also no longer hiding His face from them. But like I pointed out though, if Ezekiel 39:29 has already been fulfilled, that means Gog and his multitude are already long dead and buried. Believe it or not then, when it comes to prophecy, chronology actually helps us to interpret something correctly. If there are any contradictions in ones proposed chronology of events, a wise person would take that into account and try a different interpretation instead.

For the life of me I have no clue as to why I'm even wasting my time trying to reason through this with you, because instead of getting your actual thoughts on this, I suspect I will get one of your many scripted answers instead. Sometimes it seems as if one is discussing and debating with bots or something, rather than with actual people who can think for themselves and have answers that come from them themselves and not somewhere else instead, such as YouTube, etc.

I might not agree with jalvarez4jesus about the timing of the rapture, but some of these other things he is discussing, he is making some most excellent points, where you, just like he indicated, are ignoring pretty much altogether.

BABerean2 said:

Either you are confused or the author of the Book of Hebrews is confused, because the New Covenant is specifically applied to the church in the passage below.


Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

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Those of us who are members of the New Covenant Church have our own internal teacher, in the form of the Holy Spirit.

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


Luk 3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:


1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?


Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?


Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

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On the Day of Pentecost Peter addressed the crowd as "all the house of Israel" in Acts 2:36. On that day about 3,000 Israelites accepted the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31.

Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

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Below you will find Jeremiah 31:31-34 fulfilled by Christ during the first century.

Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; (from Jeremiah 31:31-34)

Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.


The New Covenant: Bob George

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If you look at Hebrews carefully, it is pure apologetic directed at who it was written to... Hebrews.

If it was directed at those who already believed, then why would the writer have to got the great lengths to show how Yeshua is greater than Moses, the Priesthood, the Temple, the Angels, etc? That would be stupid. And the writer asks these he is writing to, that they would consider Yeshua, which would be stupid to ask of those already the believe.....

Hebrews 3:1 (NKJV) Therefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, Christ Jesus,

The writer can call these listeners Holy Brethren because Israel is indeed Holy.... set apart for God... they were indeed partakers of the Heavenly calling that began with Abraham. And the writer is Hebrew and identifying with his brethren Hebrews. That is the only group outside of believers that can be called Holy Brethren. Not that they are saved, but they are what Holy which means... set apart to God.

In Chapters 1 and 2, the writer laid the foundation of the case. And now He asks them in Chap 3 to consider or recognize Yeshua. In Chap 4, he shows them the promise of rest that is theirs if they accept Yeshua and they should beware falling short of it.

And the coup de gras.....

Hebrews 6:4-6 (NKJV) For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

This is making the case that those who have been enlightened regarding Yeshua, and by being Hebrews, have tasted of the heavenly gift, that if they turn away from Yeshua and don't accept Him, that there remains no other path of forgiveness. Yeshua was the goal of the Torah. There is no other way.

If it pertained to those who were already believers, then you can hang it up boys.... all of us have turned away from God in some degree as some point of our lives. Sin is rebellion and turning against God. So if this passage is meant for those who already believe, then once a believer sins there is no forgiveness and you might as well hang it up.

That seems to be overlooked by those that feel the Book Of Hebrews is for the Church. It clearly says that anyone who falls away (which is what sin is) that they can never be brought back into the fold. That no one can ever be saved again if they stumble and fall. We know that is not the case, so this book must be pertaining to Hebrews who are not believers but have been enlightened about Yeshua.

It is apologetics thru and thru.

Revealing Times said:

The First Resurrection is all of those raised is with their names written in the Lambs book of life. Its not really relevant as per when, but I will will play along.

1.) Those raised from the dead and those alive when Jesus called the Church home would be one.

2.) Those Beheaded who refused to take the Mark of the Beast would be two.

3.) Those mentioned in Daniel 12:2, the Saints of the Jews might be three, bit they could be raised at the same time as the Beheaded. Its UNKNOWABLE.

I assume anyone that dies during the 1000 year reign would go straight to Judgment of some type or another.

The Second Resurrection will be 1000 years later, there will be 1000 years worth of proof that mankind can live outside of "Wilfull sins".

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Don't forget those righteous who were raised after Yeshau was risen. Matt 27:52-53. That was the resurrection the First Fruits of the harvest of those made righteous by Yeshua paying the penalty. They were called saints, which always is what the righteous are called.

It does say that anyone who dies during time of the millennial kingdom will be considered cursed. This passage is clearly regarding the millennial reign of Messiah....

Isaiah 65:20 (NKJV) “No more shall an infant from there live but a few days,
Nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days;
For the child shall die one hundred years old,
But the sinner being one hundred years old shall be accursed.

Revealing Times said:

The First Resurrection is all of those raised is with their names written in the Lambs book of life. Its not really relevant as per when, but I will will play along.

1.) Those raised from the dead and those alive when Jesus called the Church home would be one.

2.) Those Beheaded who refused to take the Mark of the Beast would be two.

3.) Those mentioned in Daniel 12:2, the Saints of the Jews might be three, bit they could be raised at the same time as the Beheaded. Its UNKNOWABLE.

I assume anyone that dies during the 1000 year reign would go straight to Judgment of some type or another.

The Second Resurrection will be 1000 years later, there will be 1000 years worth of proof that mankind can live outside of "Wilfull sins".

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Don't forget those righteous who were raised after Yeshau was risen. Matt 27:52-53. That was the resurrection the First Fruits of the harvest of those made righteous by Yeshua paying the penalty. They were called saints, which always is what the righteous are called.

It does say that anyone who dies during time of the millennial kingdom will be considered cursed. This passage is clearly regarding the millennial reign of Messiah....

Isaiah 65:20 (NKJV) “No more shall an infant from there live but a few days,
Nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days;
For the child shall die one hundred years old,
But the sinner being one hundred years old shall be accursed.

Revealing Times said:

The First Resurrection is all of those raised is with their names written in the Lambs book of life. Its not really relevant as per when, but I will will play along.

1.) Those raised from the dead and those alive when Jesus called the Church home would be one.

2.) Those Beheaded who refused to take the Mark of the Beast would be two.

3.) Those mentioned in Daniel 12:2, the Saints of the Jews might be three, bit they could be raised at the same time as the Beheaded. Its UNKNOWABLE.

I assume anyone that dies during the 1000 year reign would go straight to Judgment of some type or another.

The Second Resurrection will be 1000 years later, there will be 1000 years worth of proof that mankind can live outside of "Wilfull sins".

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Don't forget those righteous who were raised after Yeshau was risen. Matt 27:52-53. That was the resurrection the First Fruits of the harvest of those made righteous by Yeshua paying the penalty. They were called saints, which always is what the righteous are called.

It does say that anyone who dies during time of the millennial kingdom will be considered cursed. This passage is clearly regarding the millennial reign of Messiah....

Isaiah 65:20 (NKJV) “No more shall an infant from there live but a few days,
Nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days;
For the child shall die one hundred years old,
But the sinner being one hundred years old shall be accursed.

jalvarez4Jesus said:

Thank you for admitting you two are just anti-dispensational trolls not worthy of any actual discussion. May God rebuke thee for calling all the scriptures I quoted as "modernism" and "cultism". You know what your problem is? You hate the Book when it crosses with your "archaism" and "tradition" (to use your kind of terminology back at you). We Bible Believers will keep on believing the Book. You can believe your garbage.

"Whoso despiseth the word shall be destroyed: but he that feareth the commandment shall be rewarded." (Proverbs 13:13 KJV).

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Thank you. "...the scripture cannot be broken" (John 10:35). Here's more of it for you to enjoy.

In God's New Will and Testament, all promises are fulfilled in Christ.

The OT promises are the promissory clauses of God's Old Will and Testament, and they are both revoked and fulfilled in the promissory clauses of His New Will and Testament, written in the Blood of His Son Jesus Christ, the Divine Testator, coming into full force and effect upon His death.

If you have made your own Will and Testament, you will see that the very first clause states the following or its equivalent:

"I HEREBY REVOKE all former Wills and other testamentary dispositions by me at any time therefore made and declare this to be my Last Will and Testament."

This means that all former wills and testaments, and all of their promissory clauses in their entirety, are completely null and void. In their place, the promissory clauses of the current last new will and testament are the only ones in force and effect. Any promissory clause which appeared in the old will and testament, but does not appear in the new will and testament, is irrevocably null and void unless yet another new will and testament is made which re-includes it.

Thus we see:

Hebrews 9
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Hebrews 10
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

Hebrews 8
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

God`s New Will and Testament is everlasting:

Hebrews 13
20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant.

There is none greater.

We see other new promissory clauses of the New Will and Testament in:

Matthew 21:33-45
In this parable, the son, who is identified as the heir, typifies Christ.

Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

2 Corinthians 1:20
For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Hebrews 1:1,2
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

In them, we see that the Heir and Beneficiary is Christ alone, that all of the promises are affirmed and confirmed in Him, and that He is Heir of all things. All includes the OT land promises, the restoration promises, the blessings promises, and all else. There are no exceptions.

And His New Will and Testament contains even better promises:

Hebrews 8
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Such as:

Hebrews 11
16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

Additional promissory clauses in...:

Romans 8:16-17
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Galatians 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

...make us who are in Christ joint heirs with Him.

But notice:
There are no promissory clauses for anyone who is not in Christ

jgr said:

Thank you. "...the scripture cannot be broken" (John 10:35). Here's more of it for you to enjoy.

In God's New Will and Testament, all promises are fulfilled in Christ.

The OT promises are the promissory clauses of God's Old Will and Testament, and they are both revoked and fulfilled in the promissory clauses of His New Will and Testament, written in the Blood of His Son Jesus Christ, the Divine Testator, coming into full force and effect upon His death.

If you have made your own Will and Testament, you will see that the very first clause states the following or its equivalent:

"I HEREBY REVOKE all former Wills and other testamentary dispositions by me at any time therefore made and declare this to be my Last Will and Testament."

This means that all former wills and testaments, and all of their promissory clauses in their entirety, are completely null and void. In their place, the promissory clauses of the current last new will and testament are the only ones in force and effect. Any promissory clause which appeared in the old will and testament, but does not appear in the new will and testament, is irrevocably null and void unless yet another new will and testament is made which re-includes it.

Thus we see:

Hebrews 9
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Hebrews 10
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

Hebrews 8
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

God`s New Will and Testament is everlasting:

Hebrews 13
20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant.

There is none greater.

We see other new promissory clauses of the New Will and Testament in:

Matthew 21:33-45
In this parable, the son, who is identified as the heir, typifies Christ.

Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

2 Corinthians 1:20
For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Hebrews 1:1,2
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

In them, we see that the Heir and Beneficiary is Christ alone, that all of the promises are affirmed and confirmed in Him, and that He is Heir of all things. All includes the OT land promises, the restoration promises, the blessings promises, and all else. There are no exceptions.

And His New Will and Testament contains even better promises:

Hebrews 8
6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Such as:

Hebrews 11
16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

Additional promissory clauses in...:

Romans 8:16-17
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Galatians 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

...make us who are in Christ joint heirs with Him.

But notice:
There are no promissory clauses for anyone who is not in Christ

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Wow. You just went full stupid and said that all of Old Testament prophecy was fulfilled off of something you just made up out of thin air about the 'first line of a will and testament'. You just morphed into a full preterist, since even the promises of a coming kingdom of Jesus Christ all throughout the OT (e.g. Zechariah 14), repeated in Revelation 20, are OT prophecies. Well done. I'm done talking with you. When I talk to full preterists, they're usually too far gone to get their sanity back. And also, the scripture can't be broken, but it must be "rightly divided" (2 Timothy 2:15 KJV).

This is why this forum needs two new tags - one for them who believe the Church has become Israel, and another for them who believe the Church has not become Israel.

jalvarez4Jesus said:

Wow. You just went full stupid and said that all of Old Testament prophecy was fulfilled off of something you just made up out of thin air about the 'first line of a will and testament'. You just morphed into a full preterist, since even the promises of a coming kingdom of Jesus Christ all throughout the OT (e.g. Zechariah 14), repeated in Revelation 20, are OT prophecies. Well done. I'm done talking with you. When I talk to full preterists, they're usually too far gone to get their sanity back. And also, the scripture can't be broken, but it must be "rightly divided" (2 Timothy 2:15 KJV).

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"Full stupid" -- Classic cultic rhetoric. Thanks for the confirmation.

You're apparently too indolent to check the wording of your own Last Will and Testament to confirm what I stated. That's assuming you're not too indolent to have made your own Last Will and Testament in the first place.

Second Coming
Matthew 24:36, 37, 39, 42, 44
That's not full preterism, your presumptive definition of which is inaccurate.

2 Timothy 2:15 "rightly dividing"
Vulg.rectetracto, to handle aright: τόν λόγον τῆς ἀληθείας, i. e. to teach the truth correctly and directly

Nothing to do with slicing scripture into seven artificial dispensations. There are only two -- the Old Testament and the New.

seventysevens said:

Simply proving my point with this

But you still fail to understand that God made promises to Israelite's - consider that the Man of Lawlessness will come into Israel to present himself as the (false) messiah
=Why Israel why not any other place on earth ?

why Jerusalem and not some other place on earth

Jesus returns to America ? Spain ? No Jesus returns to Israel

Where is the biggest war on earth to be held ? Japan ? No ! Israel

What will be the Capital city on earth - Jerusalem - what city will come down out of heaven - Dallas ? No! Jerusalem and many more I could name

But you don't seem to be able to discern that ISRAEL is Gods Chosen
and NO not all Christians are Israel as you simply you espouse replacement theology

Proving for the third time to you that no matter what evidence that is given to you that shows Almighty God had declared promises that are specific directed at ISRAEL and Not Christians
You refuse to acknowledge anything that proves this Fact -

For the third time no matter what source I give you, you will pretend it is not there just as you pretend that these given facts here you pretend they are not here

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I thought we were talking about Jewish genealogical matrilineality. What happened to that?

jalvarez4Jesus said:

1. How can the "ONE BODY" which is in Christ (Romans 12:5) be TWO HOUSES ("the house of Israel" and "the house of Judah" in Hebrews 8 and Jeremiah 31)?
2. Are you part of the "house of Israel" OR the "house of Judah"? How would you tell which one you're in? How would any Gentile Christian tell which of the TWO HOUSES they are in?

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How do you know I am a Gentile since you do not know me, and have never seen an analysis of my DNA?

Paul called himself an "Israelite" even after his conversion in Romans 11:1.
He said he was from the tribe of Benjamin.
Nobody can honestly deny that when the Church began on the Day of Pentecost it was made up of Israelites. The Gentiles were grafted in later.
The Church as a whole has never been a "Gentile Church", as Dispensationalists often attempt to imply, in order to make their doctrine work.

James addressed his letter to "the twelve tribes" who were his brethren in the faith in James 1:1-3.
That would include both houses.

The answer to how "ONE BODY" in Christ can include both Israel and Judah is found below in the words of Christ, and then again in the words of James.

Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.


Jas 1:1 James, a bondservant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, To the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad: Greetings.
Jas 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials,
Jas 1:3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience.



Below is a modern man of Jewish background who found the promise of the New Covenant in his Hebrew scriptures.

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BABerean2 said:

How do you know I am a Gentile since you do not know me, and have never seen an analysis of my DNA?

Paul called himself an "Israelite" even after his conversion in Romans 11:1.
He said he was from the tribe of Benjamin.
Nobody can honestly deny that when the Church began on the Day of Pentecost it was made up of Israelites. The Gentiles were grafted in later.
The Church as a whole has never been a "Gentile Church", as Dispensationalists often attempt to imply, in order to make their doctrine work.

James addressed his letter to "the twelve tribes" who were his brethren in the faith in James 1:1-3.
That would include both houses.

The answer to how "ONE BODY" in Christ can include both Israel and Judah is found below in the words of Christ, and then again in the words of James.

Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.


Jas 1:1 James, a bondservant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, To the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad: Greetings.
Jas 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials,
Jas 1:3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience.



Below is a modern man of Jewish background who found the promise of the New Covenant in his Hebrew scriptures.

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Wrong again. You just keep on wresting the scriptures to your own destruction, it's almost sad. When James was writing to "the twelve tribes", he was writing TO THE TWELVE TRIBES, to physical Jews, just like it SAYS. There is no indication in the entire book of James that ANY GENTILE is being addressed. Your false private interpretation that the "twelve tribes" is a church of both Jew and Gentile shows your anti-scriptural anti-dispensational bigoted bias. I'm about to blow your mind right now -- when James says he wrote to the twelve tribes, HE WROTE TO THE TWELVE TRIBES -- PHYSICAL JEWS. Not both Jews and Gentiles. When God wrote the "twelve tribes" in James 1:1, he meant the same thing as he did in Genesis 49:28; Exodus 24:4, 28:21, 39:14; Ezekiel 43:17; Matthew 19:28; Luke 22:30; Acts 26:7; and Revelation 21:12 -- THE TWELVE TRIBES OF THE PHYSICAL JEWS! So your twisting of the scriptures still doesn't answer the question I asked, because of the book of James is not written to the Jew and Gentile body of Christ, but to the Jews alone.

Now, as for your twisting of John 10:16, that verse doesn't even mention the two houses of the Jews (the house of Israel and the house of Judah), it is entirely irrelevant to the discussion. But going on in your blind stupidity, you're basically now claiming that the house of Israel and the house of Judah were both united in the one body of Christ and that there is no more distinction between the house of Israel and the house of Judah. THAT VERSE SAYS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING OF THE KIND! YOU ARE MAKING STUFF OUT OUT OF THIN AIR AND CALLING IT BIBLE DOCTRINE!

So I ask again:

1. How can the "ONE BODY" which is in Christ (Romans 12:5) be TWO HOUSES ("the house of Israel" and "the house of Judah" in Hebrews 8 and Jeremiah 31)?
2. Are you part of the "house of Israel" OR the "house of Judah"? How would you tell which one you're in? How would any Gentile Christian tell which of the TWO HOUSES they are in?
3. How can Christians "teach every man his neighbour" and "every man his brother" about Jesus Christ and salvation (like Jesus told us to, Mark 16:15) when we're supposedly told NOT TO in Hebrews 8and Jeremiah 31?

jalvarez4Jesus said:

Wrong again. You just keep on wresting the scriptures to your own destruction, it's almost sad. When James was writing to "the twelve tribes", he was writing TO THE TWELVE TRIBES, to physical Jews, just like it SAYS. There is no indication in the entire book of James that ANY GENTILE is being addressed. Your false private interpretation that the "twelve tribes" is a church of both Jew and Gentile shows your anti-scriptural anti-dispensational bigoted bias. I'm about to blow your mind right now -- when James says he wrote to the twelve tribes, HE WROTE TO THE TWELVE TRIBES -- PHYSICAL JEWS. Not both Jews and Gentiles. When God wrote the "twelve tribes" in James 1:1, he meant the same thing as he did in Genesis 49:28; Exodus 24:4, 28:21, 39:14; Ezekiel 43:17; Matthew 19:28; Luke 22:30; Acts 26:7; and Revelation 21:12 -- THE TWELVE TRIBES OF THE PHYSICAL JEWS! So your twisting of the scriptures still doesn't answer the question I asked, because of the book of James is not written to the Jew and Gentile body of Christ, but to the Jews alone.

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From the very beginning of the Old Covenant era, Israel was never comprised exclusively of ethnic "physical Jews", but also included all who would submit to the requirements of that Covenant.

Genesis 17:12
And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.

Over time, non-ethnic proselytes from the surrounding nations incremented these numbers. Later, some of these would convert to Christianity along with ethnic Jews.

James is addressing his letter to the Christians within the twelve tribes (James 1:2, "my brethren"), which thus included non-ethnic converts as described above.

So re-deposit your bilge and bunkum about "physical Jews" in the round file from which they originally came.