Is the Anti-Christ also the Beast 666?

Well the number is not 666 but 616 and Nero was the beast and Anti-Christ.

John says that 666 is the number of man. This falls short of a divine number like 777. It means that the beast and the false prophet are thoroughly man made. They are not divine, even though those who dwell on the earth will worship them.

DreamerOfTheHeart said:

I think so, but would like to hear alternative theories as well. (And above all, agreements, if sincere.)

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I believe there is one bad guy out there - Satan. And, of course, he has his followers.

Tutorman said:

Well the number is not 666 but 616 and Nero was the beast and Anti-Christ.

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The Number is irrelevant. By the time he is REVEALED he will have Conquered The Mediterranean Sea Region and much of the world will be under his auspices, according to God's divine prophecy.

I think 666 just stands for Mankind under Satan's leadership. Whereas 777 would stand for the trinity. The Seven Spirits represent the fullness of God. The Seven eyes represent God being everywhere at all times or omnipresent. 666 stands for mankind.

Its a MAN.

DreamerOfTheHeart said:

I think so, but would like to hear alternative theories as well. (And above all, agreements, if sincere.)

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It is the same person who becomes the Antichrist and then later the beast. It is critical, however, to know the difference between the Antichrist stage and the beast stage.

The person is the Antichrist only for the time that he is the King of Israel - the Jewish perceive messiah by Israel.

After he betrays them, they renounce him as their King of Israel - ending his time as the Antichrist.

Shortly later, he is killed and brought back to life as the beast.

Revealing Times said:

Its a MAN.

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Yes, it was a man

DreamerOfTheHeart said:

I think so, but would like to hear alternative theories as well. (And above all, agreements, if sincere.)

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Many Christians utterly fail regarding this because they simply do not understand that this number is not intended to NAME the antichrist, PERIOD. The antichrist is going to be identified based upon what he does during his reign and not prognosticated beforehand nor immediately identified when he appears using his name.

"666" is identifying a number or alpha-numerical ID system that will be employed by the antichrist as a means of control.

As for "666" being wrong and saying its "616", well Scripture has a way of authenticating itself. When I read Revelation 13:18, then Revelation 17:9-12, and follow the instructions given back in 13:18, it becomes rather obvious that 616 is a misinterpretation, which definitely wouldn't be a first.

The expression “the Antichrist”, with a capitalized “A”, invariably used to refer to a unique single future individual, is found nowhere in the KJV, NAS, or YLT translations. The expression “the antichrist”, with a decapitalized “a”, is found in the NAS and YLT. The scriptural composite definition is found in the following four verses in John's epistles, these from the KJV:

1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1 John 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2 John 1:7
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Unlike the word or expression “trinity” or “the trinity”, which was coined and defined outside of scripture, the word or expression “antichrist” or “the antichrist”, is intra-scriptural, i.e. found within scripture, along with the accompanying composite definition seen in the above verses. Thus any interpretation or exegesis of this particular word or expression must adhere strictly to the information about it which scripture gives us, free of any private interpretations.

The two primary irreconcilabilities between a claimed unique single future individual “the Antichrist” and John's descriptions are:

1. Antichrist is not limited to a single individual, but is many. (1 John 2:18, 2 John 1:7)

2. Antichrist is not limited to a future individual, but was already present when John wrote. (1 John 2:18, 1 John 4:3, 2 John 1:7)

Scripture thus does not identify any entity which uniquely qualifies as “the Antichrist” to the exclusion of any other entities which have or will manifest the characteristics of an antichrist as described by John. That is, scripture does not identify a "one and only Antichrist".

It is evident that, when the history of the true Christian Church is examined, she has suffered at the hands of many antichrists; and will undoubtedly continue to do so until Christ returns.

It is further evident that various eras in Christian Church history have seen the emergence and dominance of particular antichrists over those time periods. That of the apostate papacy of the Dark Ages is a cogent example. The ultimate success of the Reformation was due in no small part to the Reformers' declarations, often to the death, that the apostate papacy was antichrist. Various of the Reformers would at times use the expression “the Antichrist” to identify the apostate papacy as the predominant antichrist of that era. But they were also aware from John's descriptions in his epistles that there had been previous antichrists in the past, and would continue to be other antichrists to follow in the future.

In relation to antichrists, the Church's experiences may or will continue to unfold consistent with John's descriptions.

But those descriptions are not reconcilable with a unique single future individual “the Antichrist”.

jgr said:

1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

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How many antichrist's are there in the blue highlight?

Douggg said:

How many antichrist's are there in the blue highlight?

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One. And John corrected that misunderstanding.

jgr said:

One. And John corrected that misunderstanding.

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..... you have quiet an imagination, jgr. John was not correcting anything. He was affirming that the one antichrist was coming by saying there were already many antichrists.

John went on to say what he meant by many antichrists by describing them as having been part of the believers but left the fold to deny Jesus. John was likening them to one coming antichrist by calling them "antichrists" as well.

Where do you think them John was speaking to would have gotten the idea that antichrist was coming? They didn't have a new testament to read.

It must have been something broadly known at that time.

Douggg said:

..... you have quiet an imagination, jgr. John was not correcting anything. He was affirming that the one antichrist was coming by saying there were already many antichrists.

John went on to say what he meant by many antichrists by describing them as having been part of the believers but left the fold to deny Jesus. John was likening them to one coming antichrist by calling them "antichrists" as well.

Where do you think them John was speaking to would have gotten the idea that antichrist was coming? They didn't have a new testament to read.

It must have been something broadly known at that time.

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The first thing I'll confess, Douggg, is that my imagination is no match for yours.

So of the many antichrists that John says were already present when he wrote, did he tell his readers how to distinguish the antichrist who would come from those already present?

Or did he realize that the spirits and behaviors which characterized antichrists made them essentially indistinguishable from one another?

I'd say the latter. Wouldn't you?

Just as John the baptist spoke of 'the one to come' referring to the Christ Jesus he did not call him by name because he did not know by which name he would be called when he came - but he knew he would come and what he would do(Did) when he came - so it is with apostle John speaking of the antichrist that would come - even after many who are antichrist ,either opposing Christ or posing as Christ and we have seen that come to pass but they not have accomplished the things that the antichrist that John spoke about - though when that man is revealed , then people will say that it is he the Antichrist that John said would come has come , as he will accomplish that which John spoke about when that man has come.
But there are those who believe he has already come and will believe it is the real Christ when the Antichrist comes thus will be deceived by the great delusion that God has sent

jgr said:

1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come...

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John never himself so much as hints that he knows or believes that a future antichrist is still to come. He acknowledges that his readers have heard such. He then proceeds to describe in the associated cited verses, in the present tense, everything about the beliefs and behaviors of antichrists necessary to recognize and identify them.

John dispels any notion of a future singular "the Antichrist".

Tutorman said:

Yes, it was a man

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That is TRUE because I am pretty sure hes in this world. Better not speak of my vision or they will say the post has to be removed !! With all the weirdos in the world I can understand why they have to some rules like that.

But it is not any man that's lived and died. That's for sure.

jgr: So of the many antichrists that John says were already present when he wrote, did he tell his readers how to distinguish the antichrist who would come from those already present?

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I don't think that was something John had to do. They must have had some clear concept of the Antichrist - as being someone other than Jesus that the Jews would embrace as their King of Israel messiah.

2000 years later, to our time, after 2000 years of priority of spreading the gospel - modern Christians from far parts of the globe, are used to thinking of "christ" as the savior from our sins - but not as the King of Israel.

Which, the Jews, on the other hand, don't think of the messiah as being a savior from their sins - but the promised great King of Israel to lead them and the world into the messianic age.

DreamerOfTheHeart said:

I think so, but would like to hear alternative theories as well. (And above all, agreements, if sincere.)

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The beast out of the sea of Revelation 13:1-3 is the Antichrist! [As well as #666 in Rev.13:18]

According to Bible prophecy, the next event the Bible will be the pre-trib Rapture of the Church, followed by the rise to power of the false christ as the final ruler of the world, before the return of Christ, at His second coming. He is known as the antichrist, the beast out of the sea, in Revelation as well as various other titles.

The apostle John said that many false christs would appear in 1 Jn.2:18 and 1 Jn.4:3. Claiming to be the Messiah and will seek and attract many people. Some had already appeared while John was still alive. One day, however, the ultimate imposter will come. He will gather a huge following. He will deceive Israel into signing a false peace treaty in Daniel 9:27. And he will be the cause of untold suffering in the world, especially for the saints who are saved during the tribulation. Here is what the Bible tells us about the antichrist.:

He is the beast out of the sea and will receive power, his throne and great authority from the dragon [Satan]: Rev.13:2.

He is the first rider of the four horsemen on the white horse, bent on conquest, and guilty of blasphemy against God. In the first of the seven seal judgements: Rev.6:2.

He (All three of the "he's") will confirm a covenant (agreement/treaty) for one week (seven years) with Israel and her neighbors. Then cruelly break it in the middle (3.5 years) of the week: Dan.9:27.

He sets up the abomination of desolation in Dan.9:27; Mt.24:15; Mk.13:14 and 2 Thes.2:4.

He will put himself above everything and everyone: Dan.11:37.

He will proclaim himself to be God: 2 Thes.2:4.

He will be the subject of a miraculous "resurrection." Who once was, now is not, but will come up out of the Abyss: Rev. 17:8 and 11.

He is the beast who comes up out of the sea who the dragon [Satan] will give his throne, power and great authority to according to Rev.13:1-2.

He will make war with the tribulation saints Who are those who will be brought to the Lord during the tribulation by the 144,000 converted Israelites: Rev.13:7.

He will have authority over the nations: Rev.13:7.

His number is 666: Rev.13:1.

He will kill millions of believer: Rev 7:9-17 and 20:4 [Tribulation martyrs]

He, the false prophet and the ten hons [nations] will fight the battle of Armageddon against Jesus, His angels and all of us, in Rev.19:17-20. Where the armies of the ten nations will be destroyed and the antichrist and false prophet thrown into the lake of fire.

The beast out of the earth is the false prophet will serve the beast out of the sea, the antichrist: Rev.13:11-17.

The false prophet will set up an image an image of the antichrist in the temple of God and make everyone worship it or be killed: Rev.13:14-15.

The antichrist is identified by various descriptive names in the Bible. For example:

The Little Horn: Dan.7:7-12, 23-27.

The King of Fierce Countenance: Dan.8:23-25.

The willful king: Dan.11:36-39.

The man of sin/lawlessness: 2 Thes.2:3-4.

The son of perdition: 2 Thes.2:2-4 KJV.

The beast in: Rev.11:7; 13-1-8; 16:2; 17:3,7,8,11,12,16

Thrown into the lake of fire with the false prophet: Rev.19-20.



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