Matt.16:28 fulfilled in 70 A.D. & the second coming?

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27For the Son of Man will come in His Father’s glory with His angels, and then He will repay each one according to what he has done.
28Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”

There are various Futurist interpretations of Matt.16:28:

1. It refers to the transfiguration passage immediately following it in the context of Mt.16:28 & the other 2 parallel passages in the other gospels:

"It is important to see when Matthew 16:28 was literally fulfilled. To find a literal fulfillment we need only look to the next chapter (Matthew 17), where we find that the "some standing here" refers to Peter, James and John and "seeing the Son of man coming in His kingdom" refers to the transfiguration. This is confirmed by 2 Peter 1:16-18 where the transfiguration is said to be "the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." The transfiguration was a marvelous preview of the Lord's future coming in His kingdom majesty."

Preterism and Matthew 16:28

"The Lord's promise refers to literally seeing—in a picture . . . in a foreview—the Son of Man coming in His kingdom (a preview of Christ in the glory of His kingdom), which is in perfect accord with all other scripture revelation on the subject, and particularly as to the nature of the kingdom. It is in perfect harmony with all other scripture (2 Pet. 1:20), including the immediate context, and thus the correct and genuine literal interpretation."

Preterism Answered - Matthew 16:28

"Moreover, against the idea that this verse refers to A.D. 70 is the pivotal fact that some of the disciples “standing” there were no longer alive by A.D. 70 (all but John had been martyred by then). Still further, no astronomical events occurred in A.D. 70, such as the stars falling from heaven and the heavens being shaken (Matthew 24:29). And Jesus did not return “on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory” (Matthew 24:30)."

The Problem with Preterism | Reasoning from the Scriptures Ministries

2. It is conditional based on Israel's repentance, which did not occur at that time or during that generation:

"The subjunctive mood calls attention to the contingent (i.e., dependent) nature of what is being affirmed. It speaks of the connection which obtains between what is affirmed and that upon which the affirmation depends for its fulfillment...if that upon which a declaration expressed in the subjunctive mood depends, is not unrevisably certain, the declaration itself is revisable and is not certain to occur... if the will of God, then revealed, was not peremptory, then these prophecies were not certain to occur in that generation...It should be noted that the prophecies of the establishment of the kingdom within that present generation of Israelites to whom Christ came, were necessarily provisional. They were contingent upon Israel’s national repentance and acceptance of Jesus as the Messiah and Saviour.

This Generation

"This indeterminacy may be a bigger issue than it might appear at first. There are several schools of thought that see a "parenthesis" in this period, corresponding to the age of the Church--cf. Rom 11.25, and some that see the entire event-stream as being conditional like the prophecy of Jonah 3.4. There were Jewish groups that also held this conditional nature of the timing of the 2nd Advent. So Keener (BBC:115) summarizes:"

"Jewish teachers struggled with a tension between two positions: (1) one could predict when the Messiah would come, in a time ordained only by God; and (2) one could not predict his coming, but he would come whenever Israel repented and wholly followed God. This is a distinct possibility." http://christianthinktank.com/qaim.html

3. "...of the appearance of his kingdom, in greater glory and power, upon his resurrection from the dead, and his ascension to heaven; when the Spirit was poured down in an extraordinary manner, and the Gospel was preached all over the world; was confirmed by signs and wonders, and made effectual to the conversion and salvation of many souls; which many then present lived to see, and were concerned in"(Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible)

"The reference, beyond doubt, is to the firm establishment and victorious progress, in the lifetime of some then present, of that new kingdom of Christ, which was destined to work the greatest of all changes on this earth, and be the grand pledge of His final coming in glory." (Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary)

"This inclineth others to think, that it is to be understood of Christ’s showing forth his power in the destruction of Jerusalem. But the most generally received opinion, and which seemeth to be best, is, that the coming of the Son of man here meant is, his resurrection from the dead. His ascension into heaven, and sending the Holy Spirit, after which the kingdom of grace came with a mighty power, subduing all nations to the Lord Jesus Christ. He was declared, (or determined), to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead, Romans 1:4. And when, after his resurrection from the dead, they asked him, Acts 1:6, whether he would at that time restore the kingdom to Israel, he puts them off, and tells them for an answer, Acts 1:8, But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost parts of the earth. And then, Acts 1:9, he in their sight ascended up into heaven. Then did the kingdom of the Son of man come with power, Acts 2:33-36, they knowing assuredly that the Son of man, whom the Jews had crucified, was made both Lord and Christ, as Acts 2:36, and, as Acts 2:34,35, set at God’s right hand, (according to the prophecy of David, Psalm 90:1), until his enemies should be made his footstool. (Matthew Poole's Commentary)

"His conspicuous coming to judgment (see Gnomon on Matthew 16:13) is meant, which would begin to follow immediately after His ascension." (Bengel's Gnomen)

"Son of man coming in his kingdom - Mark and Luke have explained this: Mark 9:1, "Until they have seen the kingdom of God come with power;" Luke 9:27, "Till they see the kingdom of God." The meaning evidently is, "till they shall see my kingdom," i. e., my church, now small, feeble, and despised, greatly enlarged, established, and spreading with great rapidity and extent. All this was accomplished. All these apostles, except Judas, lived to see the wonders of the day of Pentecost; some of them, John particularly, saw the Jewish nation scattered, the temple destroyed, the gospel established in Asia, Rome, Greece, and in a large part of the known world." (Barnes' Notes on the Bible)

4. "to have regard to his coming, to show his regal power and authority in the destruction of the Jews; when those his enemies that would not he should reign over them, were ordered to be brought and slain before him; and this the Apostle John, for one, lived to be a witness of..." (Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible @ Matthew 16:28 Commentaries: "Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.")

"This advent is doubtless the destruction of Jerusalem, which, as it occurred only some forty years after this time, some of his auditors, apostles and the multitude, would live to behold. This great event was a type of the second advent, the two being closely connected by Christ himself (see ch. 24.)." (Pulpit Commentary)

5. "And there was a man in Jerusalem whose name was Simeon; and this man was righteous and devout, looking for the consolation of Israel; and the Holy Spirit was upon him. And it had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not see death before he had seen the Lord's Christ."

"Here we see how Simeon was promised that he would behold the object of his delight before he should taste of death. This is precisely what Jesus is promising his hearers in Matthew 16:27-28!"

"For evidence to support the idea that individuals would behold the kingdom in power and glory, take a look at Stephen’s martyrdom in Acts 7:"

"Acts 7:54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth. 55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, 56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. 57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord, 58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man’s feet, whose name was Saul.”

"Notice again that the immediate context of the coming of the son of man passage in focus is persecution and martyrdom:

"From that time on, Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer greatly from the elders, the chief priests, and the scribes, and be killed and on the third day be raised.. Then Jesus said to his disciples, "Whoever wishes to come after me must deny himself, take up his cross, and follow me. For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. What profit would there be for one to gain the whole world and forfeit his life? Or what can one give in exchange for his life?"

"Now, what is it about this context that would lead a person to think of a single, impersonal event 40 years in the future? It just isn't there.

"Instead, the similarities between the martyrdom in Acts 7 and the promise in Matthew 16 are staring us in the face"

https://www.preteristarchive.com/Idealism/2008_dennis_matthew_16_27-28.htm

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"At least six plausible possibilities have been advanced.
1. Jesus looked to His resurrection.37
2. Jesus meant His ascension.38
3. Jesus looked ahead to the Holy Spirit coming at Pentecost.39
4. Jesus pointed to a coming in A.D. 70—the preterist view.40
5. Jesus referred to the advance of His kingdom through the church.41
6. Jesus had the transfiguration in mind.42"

https://www.tms.edu/m/tmsj14a.pdf
 

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He cast out devils during his earthly ministry.
Therefore, some aspect of the kingdom came into being during that time.



Mat_12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.


Christ told the thief that he would be with Him in paradise on the same day as Calvary.

Luk_23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.


On the Day of Pentecost Peter said that He was already both Lord (ruler) and Christ (Messiah).

Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.



He was victorious at the Cross.
Therefore, some aspect of the kingdom came to pass at that time.


Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

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Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”
There is another interpretation. John saw the second coming of Christ and wrote of it in Revelation chapter 19.
 
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The destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD is another fulfillment (as I'm understanding) pertaining to this part of the passage:

...and then He will repay each one according to what he has done.

It's a whole other layer.

.....which, as I understand it, is representative of Christ Jesus acting as High Priest (found in Leviticus) This process began when Jesus "cleansed the Temple":

----->The priest will then perform the purification offering and make reconciliation for the person needing purification from their uncleanness.A̶f̶t̶e̶r̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶,̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶e̶n̶t̶i̶r̶e̶l̶y̶ ̶b̶u̶r̶n̶e̶d̶ ̶o̶f̶f̶e̶r̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶w̶i̶l̶l̶ ̶b̶e̶ ̶s̶l̶a̶u̶g̶h̶t̶e̶r̶e̶d̶ . 20 T̶h̶e̶ ̶p̶r̶i̶e̶s̶t̶ ̶w̶i̶l̶l̶ ̶o̶f̶f̶e̶r̶ ̶u̶p̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶e̶n̶t̶i̶r̶e̶l̶y̶ ̶b̶u̶r̶n̶e̶d̶ ̶o̶f̶f̶e̶r̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶g̶r̶a̶i̶n̶ ̶o̶f̶f̶e̶r̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶o̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶a̶l̶t̶a̶r̶. In this way, the priest will make reconciliation for the person, and they will be clean again.~Leviticus 14:19-20

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...then He who owns the house shall come and tell the priest, ‘There seems to me to be some case of disease in my house.’~Leviticus 14:35

Then the priest shall command that they empty the house before the priest goes to examine the disease, lest all that is in the house be declared unclean. And afterward the priest shall go in to see the house. 37 And he shall examine the disease.~Leviticus 14:36-37

...then the priest shall command that they take out the stones in which is the disease and throw them into an unclean place outside the city. 41 And he shall have the inside of the house scraped all around, and the plaster that they scrape off they shall pour out in an unclean place outside the city …Leviticus 14:40-41

the priest will return. If he finds that the infection has spread throughout the house, it is a case of infectious skin disease in the house; the house is unclean.45 The house must be destroyed—its stones, wood, and all the plaster in the house. All of it must be taken outside the city to an unclean area.~Leviticus 14:44-45

Which I believe also fulfills this prophecy:

Daniel 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

....and what Jesus had predicted when He entered Jerusalem:

Luke 19~For the days will come upon you when your enemies will barricade you and surround you and hem you in on every side. 44They will level you to the ground — you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another,because you did not recognize the time of your visitation from God.

Why Jesus cleansed the temple twice (a long-standing mystery solved)
 
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Still further, no astronomical events occurred in A.D. 70, such as the stars falling from heaven and the heavens being shaken (Matthew 24:29). And Jesus did not return “on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory” (Matthew 24:30)."

A) You must have never ready Josephus or Tacitus and their separate accounts of many astronmical events surrounding the temples destruction... warriors and charriots dashing about the clouds, Daylight for half an hour around the temple in the middle of the night, etc..

B) The language you quote of Stars falling and heavens being shaken and Jesus coming on the clouds are direct OT quotes of PAST JUDGEMENTS on individual nations carried out by Jehovah where such celestial evets were also said to have occurred..

Why is it you have no problem with that language being used fuguratively in the OT but must affix an untaught, wooden litralism to the same langauge when you find it in the NT?

You have no scriptural instruction to spiritualize OT language such as "the stars will fall from heaven and the heaves will be shaken" yet apply a polar opposite, hyper literalized interpretation to this SAME EXACT language when you find it in the NT.
None.

So why do you?

Her's an example for you to chew on.

After David's battlefield victory over Saul and His armies, (yes, AFTER) He described the Battle this way:

(2 Samuel 22:8-16)

8“Then the earth shook and trembled;
The foundations of heaven quaked and were shaken,
Because He was angry.
9 Smoke went up from His nostrils,
And devouring fire from His mouth;
Coals were kindled by it.
10 He bowed the heavens also, and came down
With darkness under His feet.

11 He rode upon a cherub, and flew;
And He was seen upon the wings of the wind.
12 He made darkness canopies around Him,
Dark waters and thick clouds of the skies.
13 From the brightness before Him
Coals of fire were kindled.


14 “The Lord thundered from heaven,
And the Most High uttered His voice.
15 He sent out arrows and scattered them;
Lightning bolts, and He vanquished them.
16 Then the channels of the sea were seen,
The foundations of the world were uncovered,

At the rebuke of the Lord,
At the blast of the breath of His nostrils.

God sure was a huffin and a puffin right there wasn't He?

Bowing the heavens, starting fires with his nostrils, shooting arrows, actually seen riding on Clouds and Cherubs, shaking the heavens and laying the foundation of the entire earth bare?

You claim David is here describing what LITERALLY happened?

Did God Literally come on the clouds in great power and glory and do these physical, destructive things to the Heavens and earth at the time of this Battle victory of David over Saul the way the prophet claims He did?

Or, Maybe you believe this language is...... FIGURATIVE??

The Problem with Preterism | Reasoning from the Scriptures Ministries

2. It is conditional based on Israel's repentance, which did not occur at that time or during that generation:

Israel Absolutely Repented in the 1st century!
Who do you think the Apostles were? The 70? The 3000 on Pentecost?

St. Paul said that when the nation was in mass apostasy, the TRUE Israel was carried on not through the lineages of the wicked sons but rather through the OBEDIENT FEW (called the "remnant"), such as was true in Isaiah's day (Romans 9:27-29) and Elijah's day (Romans 11:3-5).

Peter says the same thing at Acts 3:22-24, where it is clear that the wicked jews who refuse Christ were to be "cut off from among the People of Israel" while the faithful jews (John the Baptist, Joseph and Mary, the Twelve, the Seventy, the three thousand on Pentecost day, and many other jews) were the True Faithful Israel.

Just as the jewish church abode with Moses in the wilderness (Acts 7:37-38), so Jesus had HIS jewish church (Mt. 16:18-19). And within a few years after Pentecost, the faithful Israel learned how to start accepting both jewish and also gentile followers from all over the empire to convert into their Nation (1 Peter 2:9-10; Mt 21:40-45). And so the tiny remnant True Israel grew into a worldwide Judaism living under the promised NEW covenant of Israel's Messiah.

And so it was also in Moses' day, when the countless thousands of wicked sons of Abraham were slain in the wilderness while the faithful sons of Abraham survived and got to enter the Promised Land. We must NEVER count the continuation of Israel through the wicked sons but rather always through the faithful remnant!

Finally, in real historic terms, that means that the Nazarene Jewish sect (Acts 24:5) was the only one that survived AD 70. All the other sects---Sadducees, Essenes, Pharisees, Zealots--were destroyed and went extinct at AD 70. This is historic reality, as Jewish and secular histories admit. And it is quite remarkable that what saved the Nazarenes was their NEW covenant teaching that taught them to prepare to detach from animal sacrifices, the Temple, physical circumcision, and the priestly class of Aaron. The jews who did this survived AD 70 while the ones who clung to a salvation via the Old Covenant were all wiped out. Amazing history.
 
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Israel Absolutely Repented in the 1st century!
Who do you think the Apostles were? The 70? The 3000 on Pentecost?
This is an excellent point (thinking of Paul, especially....and what it means that he was a zealous Pharisee prior to his conversion). It helps, I think, to understand that "Israel" means "people of God"

 
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27For the Son of Man will come in His Father’s glory with His angels, and then He will repay each one according to what he has done.
28Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”

There are various Futurist interpretations of Matt.16:28:

1. It refers to the transfiguration passage immediately following it in the context of Mt.16:28 & the other 2 parallel passages in the other gospels:

"It is important to see when Matthew 16:28 was literally fulfilled. To find a literal fulfillment we need only look to the next chapter (Matthew 17), where we find that the "some standing here" refers to Peter, James and John and "seeing the Son of man coming in His kingdom" refers to the transfiguration. This is confirmed by 2 Peter 1:16-18 where the transfiguration is said to be "the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." The transfiguration was a marvelous preview of the Lord's future coming in His kingdom majesty."

Preterism and Matthew 16:28

"The Lord's promise refers to literally seeing—in a picture . . . in a foreview—the Son of Man coming in His kingdom (a preview of Christ in the glory of His kingdom), which is in perfect accord with all other scripture revelation on the subject, and particularly as to the nature of the kingdom. It is in perfect harmony with all other scripture (2 Pet. 1:20), including the immediate context, and thus the correct and genuine literal interpretation."

Preterism Answered - Matthew 16:28

"Moreover, against the idea that this verse refers to A.D. 70 is the pivotal fact that some of the disciples “standing” there were no longer alive by A.D. 70 (all but John had been martyred by then). Still further, no astronomical events occurred in A.D. 70, such as the stars falling from heaven and the heavens being shaken (Matthew 24:29). And Jesus did not return “on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory” (Matthew 24:30)."

The Problem with Preterism | Reasoning from the Scriptures Ministries

2. It is conditional based on Israel's repentance, which did not occur at that time or during that generation:

"The subjunctive mood calls attention to the contingent (i.e., dependent) nature of what is being affirmed. It speaks of the connection which obtains between what is affirmed and that upon which the affirmation depends for its fulfillment...if that upon which a declaration expressed in the subjunctive mood depends, is not unrevisably certain, the declaration itself is revisable and is not certain to occur... if the will of God, then revealed, was not peremptory, then these prophecies were not certain to occur in that generation...It should be noted that the prophecies of the establishment of the kingdom within that present generation of Israelites to whom Christ came, were necessarily provisional. They were contingent upon Israel’s national repentance and acceptance of Jesus as the Messiah and Saviour.

This Generation

"This indeterminacy may be a bigger issue than it might appear at first. There are several schools of thought that see a "parenthesis" in this period, corresponding to the age of the Church--cf. Rom 11.25, and some that see the entire event-stream as being conditional like the prophecy of Jonah 3.4. There were Jewish groups that also held this conditional nature of the timing of the 2nd Advent. So Keener (BBC:115) summarizes:"

"Jewish teachers struggled with a tension between two positions: (1) one could predict when the Messiah would come, in a time ordained only by God; and (2) one could not predict his coming, but he would come whenever Israel repented and wholly followed God. This is a distinct possibility." http://christianthinktank.com/qaim.html

3. "...of the appearance of his kingdom, in greater glory and power, upon his resurrection from the dead, and his ascension to heaven; when the Spirit was poured down in an extraordinary manner, and the Gospel was preached all over the world; was confirmed by signs and wonders, and made effectual to the conversion and salvation of many souls; which many then present lived to see, and were concerned in"(Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible)

"The reference, beyond doubt, is to the firm establishment and victorious progress, in the lifetime of some then present, of that new kingdom of Christ, which was destined to work the greatest of all changes on this earth, and be the grand pledge of His final coming in glory." (Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary)

"This inclineth others to think, that it is to be understood of Christ’s showing forth his power in the destruction of Jerusalem. But the most generally received opinion, and which seemeth to be best, is, that the coming of the Son of man here meant is, his resurrection from the dead. His ascension into heaven, and sending the Holy Spirit, after which the kingdom of grace came with a mighty power, subduing all nations to the Lord Jesus Christ. He was declared, (or determined), to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead, Romans 1:4. And when, after his resurrection from the dead, they asked him, Acts 1:6, whether he would at that time restore the kingdom to Israel, he puts them off, and tells them for an answer, Acts 1:8, But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost parts of the earth. And then, Acts 1:9, he in their sight ascended up into heaven. Then did the kingdom of the Son of man come with power, Acts 2:33-36, they knowing assuredly that the Son of man, whom the Jews had crucified, was made both Lord and Christ, as Acts 2:36, and, as Acts 2:34,35, set at God’s right hand, (according to the prophecy of David, Psalm 90:1), until his enemies should be made his footstool. (Matthew Poole's Commentary)

"His conspicuous coming to judgment (see Gnomon on Matthew 16:13) is meant, which would begin to follow immediately after His ascension." (Bengel's Gnomen)

"Son of man coming in his kingdom - Mark and Luke have explained this: Mark 9:1, "Until they have seen the kingdom of God come with power;" Luke 9:27, "Till they see the kingdom of God." The meaning evidently is, "till they shall see my kingdom," i. e., my church, now small, feeble, and despised, greatly enlarged, established, and spreading with great rapidity and extent. All this was accomplished. All these apostles, except Judas, lived to see the wonders of the day of Pentecost; some of them, John particularly, saw the Jewish nation scattered, the temple destroyed, the gospel established in Asia, Rome, Greece, and in a large part of the known world." (Barnes' Notes on the Bible)

4. "to have regard to his coming, to show his regal power and authority in the destruction of the Jews; when those his enemies that would not he should reign over them, were ordered to be brought and slain before him; and this the Apostle John, for one, lived to be a witness of..." (Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible @ Matthew 16:28 Commentaries: "Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.")

"This advent is doubtless the destruction of Jerusalem, which, as it occurred only some forty years after this time, some of his auditors, apostles and the multitude, would live to behold. This great event was a type of the second advent, the two being closely connected by Christ himself (see ch. 24.)." (Pulpit Commentary)

5. "And there was a man in Jerusalem whose name was Simeon; and this man was righteous and devout, looking for the consolation of Israel; and the Holy Spirit was upon him. And it had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not see death before he had seen the Lord's Christ."

"Here we see how Simeon was promised that he would behold the object of his delight before he should taste of death. This is precisely what Jesus is promising his hearers in Matthew 16:27-28!"

"For evidence to support the idea that individuals would behold the kingdom in power and glory, take a look at Stephen’s martyrdom in Acts 7:"

"Acts 7:54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth. 55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, 56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. 57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord, 58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man’s feet, whose name was Saul.”

"Notice again that the immediate context of the coming of the son of man passage in focus is persecution and martyrdom:

"From that time on, Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer greatly from the elders, the chief priests, and the scribes, and be killed and on the third day be raised.. Then Jesus said to his disciples, "Whoever wishes to come after me must deny himself, take up his cross, and follow me. For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. What profit would there be for one to gain the whole world and forfeit his life? Or what can one give in exchange for his life?"

"Now, what is it about this context that would lead a person to think of a single, impersonal event 40 years in the future? It just isn't there.

"Instead, the similarities between the martyrdom in Acts 7 and the promise in Matthew 16 are staring us in the face"

https://www.preteristarchive.com/Idealism/2008_dennis_matthew_16_27-28.htm

-----------------------------------------------------------

"At least six plausible possibilities have been advanced.
1. Jesus looked to His resurrection.37
2. Jesus meant His ascension.38
3. Jesus looked ahead to the Holy Spirit coming at Pentecost.39
4. Jesus pointed to a coming in A.D. 70—the preterist view.40
5. Jesus referred to the advance of His kingdom through the church.41
6. Jesus had the transfiguration in mind.42"

https://www.tms.edu/m/tmsj14a.pdf

Let's look at the parallel accounts to get the full picture:

Matthew 16:27-28
A.)For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done. “B.)Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the C.) Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

Mark 8:38-9:1
A.) If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his Father’s glory with the holy angels.” And he said to them, “ B.)Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see that the C.) kingdom of God has come with power.”

Luke 9:26-27
A.) Whoever is ashamed of me and my words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels. “ B.) Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see C.) the kingdom of God.”

A.) Where did Jesus come in his Father's glory? Would this be earth (2nd coming) or heaven (ascension)? The greek word from "come" means came, go, going, went, entered, arrive. So it is not necessarily a specific direction. Only the context can tell us the direction. So when did Jesus come/go/arrive/enter in his Fathers glory?

Luke 24:26 Was it not necessary that the Christ should suffer these things and enter into his glory?”
Revelation 3:21 The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne.


B.) Who are the some standing in the presence of Jesus that would see the coming? the disciples obviously



C.) The son of man coming in his kingdom = the coming of the kingdom of God. When would the son of man come in his kingdom?

Luke 19:12 He said therefore, “A nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and then return.

Daniel 7:13-14
“I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man,
and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him. And to him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him;his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed.






Take an honest look at the parable of the 10 minas in Luke 19:11-27.

Are there multiple generation of servants in this parable? In other words, did the servants who were given the minas die before the king returned? or were they the same servants that received the original minas from the king?

And who are the enemies (citizens) that didn't want the king to rule over them that the king destroys upon his return?



11As they heard these things, he proceeded to tell a parable, because he was near to Jerusalem, and because they supposed that the kingdom of God was to appear immediately. 12He said therefore, “A nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and then return. 13Calling ten of his servants,a he gave them ten minas,b and said to them, ‘Engage in business until I come.’ 14But his citizens hated him and sent a delegation after him, saying, ‘We do not want this man to reign over us.’ 15When he returned, having received the kingdom, he ordered these servants to whom he had given the money to be called to him, that he might know what they had gained by doing business. 16The first came before him, saying, ‘Lord, your mina has made ten minas more.’ 17And he said to him, ‘Well done, good servant!c Because you have been faithful in a very little, you shall have authority over ten cities.’ 18And the second came, saying, ‘Lord, your mina has made five minas.’ 19And he said to him, ‘And you are to be over five cities.’ 20Then another came, saying, ‘Lord, here is your mina, which I kept laid away in a handkerchief; 21for I was afraid of you, because you are a severe man. You take what you did not deposit, and reap what you did not sow.’ 22He said to him, ‘I will condemn you with your own words, you wicked servant! You knew that I was a severe man, taking what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow? 23Why then did you not put my money in the bank, and at my coming I might have collected it with interest?’ 24And he said to those who stood by, ‘Take the mina from him, and give it to the one who has the ten minas.’ 25And they said to him, ‘Lord, he has ten minas!’ 26‘I tell you that to everyone who has, more will be given, but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 27But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.’”
 
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Thank you for organizing all that so well, Claninja!

From this web site: Some Standing Here Will Not Taste Death — The Unfolding of Biblical Eschatology

------>Once we realize that Jesus is simply using a phrase from Daniel 7 to allude to the whole prophecy, texts such as Matthew 16:28 are much more readily understood. Jesus was not predicting that his Second Coming would occur within the lifetime of some of his hearers. He wasn’t speaking of the Second Coming at all.v He was referring to the fulfillment of Daniel 7, his reception of the kingdom from the Father, and this was fulfilled within the lifetime of some of his hearers (cf. Matt. 28:18).vi

Matthew 16:28, unlike Matthew 10:23, is set within the context of a discussion of judgment. Verse 27 speaks of the Son of Man coming with angels and judging man. If the coming of the Son of Man in verse 28 is an allusion to Daniel’s prophecy of one like a Son of Man coming up to the Ancient of Days, is the coming of the Son of Man in verse 27 a different “coming”? If it is the same “coming,” then what is the judgment spoken of in verse 27? There are two possibilities. Since Jesus’ receiving of the kingdom is part of an entire nexus of events that concludes only at the consummation and Second Coming, it could be that the judgment referred to in verse 27 is the final judgment. If so, Jesus speaks of the first and last events in the connected series as parts of a single whole but without mentioning the amount of time that might lapse between them.

Another, more likely, possibility is that the judgment Jesus is referring to in verse 27 is the judgment referred to in Daniel 7:9–10, a heavenly judgment of the “beasts/nations” that is directly related to Jesus’ receiving of the kingdom of God from the Father, an event that occurs in connection with his first advent.vii
 
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27 But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.’”
I believe this is in reference to this:

John 19:14-15~It was the day of Preparation for the Passover, about the sixth hour. And Pilate said to the Jews, “Here is your King!” 15 At this, they shouted, “Away with Him! Away with Him! Crucify Him!” “Shall I crucify your King?” Pilate asked. We have no king but Caesar,” replied the chief priests.
 
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And different language pertaining to the meaning of "Israel":

------>The first key to understanding the Old Testament is the reality that Israel is Adam. The second is the nature of the Sinai covenant. God’s gift of Torah is meant to lead the New Adam to life. Moses promises that if Israel obeys, she will live, but if she disobeys, she will die (Deut. 30:15). Unfortunately, Moses prophesies that Israel will disobey. And yet, there is light at the end of the tunnel. When Israel is faithful, God circumcises her heart, brings her back from exile, and enables her to truly love the Lord. This, in turn, grants her true “life” (Deut. 30:1-6).

The Torah begins with Adam exiled from the Tree of Life, and ends with Israel, the New Adam, returning from exile to life. This is why Ezekiel prophesies that the return from exile would be constituted by God breathing His Spirit into Israel (the New Adam; cf. Gen. 2:7), and her rising from the dead (Ezek. 37:1-14). He even proclaims that the end of Israel’s exile—and her newfound obedience—will cause the land to turn into Eden (Ezek. 36:35).~Israel and the Church: Why Does It Matter? – On Behalf of All
 
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27For the Son of Man will come in His Father’s glory with His angels, and then He will repay each one according to what he has done.
28Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”

There are various Futurist interpretations of Matt.16:28:

1. It refers to the transfiguration passage immediately following it in the context of Mt.16:28 & the other 2 parallel passages in the other gospels:

"It is important to see when Matthew 16:28 was literally fulfilled. To find a literal fulfillment we need only look to the next chapter (Matthew 17), where we find that the "some standing here" refers to Peter, James and John and "seeing the Son of man coming in His kingdom" refers to the transfiguration. This is confirmed by 2 Peter 1:16-18 where the transfiguration is said to be "the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." The transfiguration was a marvelous preview of the Lord's future coming in His kingdom majesty."

Preterism and Matthew 16:28

"The Lord's promise refers to literally seeing—in a picture . . . in a foreview—the Son of Man coming in His kingdom (a preview of Christ in the glory of His kingdom), which is in perfect accord with all other scripture revelation on the subject, and particularly as to the nature of the kingdom. It is in perfect harmony with all other scripture (2 Pet. 1:20), including the immediate context, and thus the correct and genuine literal interpretation."

Preterism Answered - Matthew 16:28

"Moreover, against the idea that this verse refers to A.D. 70 is the pivotal fact that some of the disciples “standing” there were no longer alive by A.D. 70 (all but John had been martyred by then). Still further, no astronomical events occurred in A.D. 70, such as the stars falling from heaven and the heavens being shaken (Matthew 24:29). And Jesus did not return “on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory” (Matthew 24:30)."

The Problem with Preterism | Reasoning from the Scriptures Ministries

2. It is conditional based on Israel's repentance, which did not occur at that time or during that generation:

"The subjunctive mood calls attention to the contingent (i.e., dependent) nature of what is being affirmed. It speaks of the connection which obtains between what is affirmed and that upon which the affirmation depends for its fulfillment...if that upon which a declaration expressed in the subjunctive mood depends, is not unrevisably certain, the declaration itself is revisable and is not certain to occur... if the will of God, then revealed, was not peremptory, then these prophecies were not certain to occur in that generation...It should be noted that the prophecies of the establishment of the kingdom within that present generation of Israelites to whom Christ came, were necessarily provisional. They were contingent upon Israel’s national repentance and acceptance of Jesus as the Messiah and Saviour.

This Generation

"This indeterminacy may be a bigger issue than it might appear at first. There are several schools of thought that see a "parenthesis" in this period, corresponding to the age of the Church--cf. Rom 11.25, and some that see the entire event-stream as being conditional like the prophecy of Jonah 3.4. There were Jewish groups that also held this conditional nature of the timing of the 2nd Advent. So Keener (BBC:115) summarizes:"

"Jewish teachers struggled with a tension between two positions: (1) one could predict when the Messiah would come, in a time ordained only by God; and (2) one could not predict his coming, but he would come whenever Israel repented and wholly followed God. This is a distinct possibility." http://christianthinktank.com/qaim.html

3. "...of the appearance of his kingdom, in greater glory and power, upon his resurrection from the dead, and his ascension to heaven; when the Spirit was poured down in an extraordinary manner, and the Gospel was preached all over the world; was confirmed by signs and wonders, and made effectual to the conversion and salvation of many souls; which many then present lived to see, and were concerned in"(Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible)

"The reference, beyond doubt, is to the firm establishment and victorious progress, in the lifetime of some then present, of that new kingdom of Christ, which was destined to work the greatest of all changes on this earth, and be the grand pledge of His final coming in glory." (Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary)

"This inclineth others to think, that it is to be understood of Christ’s showing forth his power in the destruction of Jerusalem. But the most generally received opinion, and which seemeth to be best, is, that the coming of the Son of man here meant is, his resurrection from the dead. His ascension into heaven, and sending the Holy Spirit, after which the kingdom of grace came with a mighty power, subduing all nations to the Lord Jesus Christ. He was declared, (or determined), to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead, Romans 1:4. And when, after his resurrection from the dead, they asked him, Acts 1:6, whether he would at that time restore the kingdom to Israel, he puts them off, and tells them for an answer, Acts 1:8, But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost parts of the earth. And then, Acts 1:9, he in their sight ascended up into heaven. Then did the kingdom of the Son of man come with power, Acts 2:33-36, they knowing assuredly that the Son of man, whom the Jews had crucified, was made both Lord and Christ, as Acts 2:36, and, as Acts 2:34,35, set at God’s right hand, (according to the prophecy of David, Psalm 90:1), until his enemies should be made his footstool. (Matthew Poole's Commentary)

"His conspicuous coming to judgment (see Gnomon on Matthew 16:13) is meant, which would begin to follow immediately after His ascension." (Bengel's Gnomen)

"Son of man coming in his kingdom - Mark and Luke have explained this: Mark 9:1, "Until they have seen the kingdom of God come with power;" Luke 9:27, "Till they see the kingdom of God." The meaning evidently is, "till they shall see my kingdom," i. e., my church, now small, feeble, and despised, greatly enlarged, established, and spreading with great rapidity and extent. All this was accomplished. All these apostles, except Judas, lived to see the wonders of the day of Pentecost; some of them, John particularly, saw the Jewish nation scattered, the temple destroyed, the gospel established in Asia, Rome, Greece, and in a large part of the known world." (Barnes' Notes on the Bible)

4. "to have regard to his coming, to show his regal power and authority in the destruction of the Jews; when those his enemies that would not he should reign over them, were ordered to be brought and slain before him; and this the Apostle John, for one, lived to be a witness of..." (Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible @ Matthew 16:28 Commentaries: "Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.")

"This advent is doubtless the destruction of Jerusalem, which, as it occurred only some forty years after this time, some of his auditors, apostles and the multitude, would live to behold. This great event was a type of the second advent, the two being closely connected by Christ himself (see ch. 24.)." (Pulpit Commentary)

5. "And there was a man in Jerusalem whose name was Simeon; and this man was righteous and devout, looking for the consolation of Israel; and the Holy Spirit was upon him. And it had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not see death before he had seen the Lord's Christ."

"Here we see how Simeon was promised that he would behold the object of his delight before he should taste of death. This is precisely what Jesus is promising his hearers in Matthew 16:27-28!"

"For evidence to support the idea that individuals would behold the kingdom in power and glory, take a look at Stephen’s martyrdom in Acts 7:"

"Acts 7:54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth. 55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, 56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. 57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord, 58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man’s feet, whose name was Saul.”

"Notice again that the immediate context of the coming of the son of man passage in focus is persecution and martyrdom:

"From that time on, Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer greatly from the elders, the chief priests, and the scribes, and be killed and on the third day be raised.. Then Jesus said to his disciples, "Whoever wishes to come after me must deny himself, take up his cross, and follow me. For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. What profit would there be for one to gain the whole world and forfeit his life? Or what can one give in exchange for his life?"

"Now, what is it about this context that would lead a person to think of a single, impersonal event 40 years in the future? It just isn't there.

"Instead, the similarities between the martyrdom in Acts 7 and the promise in Matthew 16 are staring us in the face"

https://www.preteristarchive.com/Idealism/2008_dennis_matthew_16_27-28.htm

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"At least six plausible possibilities have been advanced.
1. Jesus looked to His resurrection.37
2. Jesus meant His ascension.38
3. Jesus looked ahead to the Holy Spirit coming at Pentecost.39
4. Jesus pointed to a coming in A.D. 70—the preterist view.40
5. Jesus referred to the advance of His kingdom through the church.41
6. Jesus had the transfiguration in mind.42"

https://www.tms.edu/m/tmsj14a.pdf

John saw Jesus in Revelation. But I don't think that is the clue here.

We have to read John chapter 20, Jesus told Mary "touch me not, for I have not yet ascended unto the Father" then 8 days later he told doubting Thomas to touch his wounds !! What is the difference? Well Mary would have of course defiled his perfect offering unto the Father by touching him with sin flesh. So that means Jesus went to heaven, made the offering, then RETURNED and told Thomas to touch his wounds. So they saw him coming in his power and glory. Jesus came back from sitting at the right hand of the Father.
 
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I was thinking towards preterism, but I dunno, there might have been ways that the kingdom came back then; Pentecost would be one. Luke 21 seems to be about the end of the age at the closure of the age of the Gentiles - that scenario is yet to occur.
 
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We have to read John chapter 20, Jesus told Mary "touch me not, for I have not yet ascended unto the Father" then 8 days later he told doubting Thomas to touch his wounds !! What is the difference? Well Mary would have of course defiled his perfect offering unto the Father by touching him with sin flesh. So that means Jesus went to heaven, made the offering, then RETURNED and told Thomas to touch his wounds

I just happened to watch a Ray Vander Laan video yesterday that mentioned the feast of first fruits, and how the resurrected saints that were with Jesus during the 40 days could have been His offering of "first fruits".

“Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.”~Matthew 27:51-53​

Lesson 14.4 | Ascension: The King Takes His Throne


So they saw him coming in his power and glory. Jesus came back from sitting at the right hand of the Father.
The "coming" I don't think is a move from one place to another each time it's mentioned......I think it has to do with His manifestation of power and glory as described in the books of Prophet Daniel.

St. Stephen also saw the coming of the Son of Man in the sense of His revealing Himself and His glory:

When they heard these things, they became furious and gnashed their teeth at him. But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked intently toward heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. “Look!” he said. “I see the heavens opened, and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!” (Acts 7:54-56)
 
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From this link: Ray Vander Laan on How We Fulfill Jesus’ Mission | Jim Daly

----->I love the way Ray Vander Laan illustrates the expanding influence of God’s kingdom when we Christians live in faithful obedience to Christ. He says every time we obey our King – in big or little things, whether in our families or throughout our communities – we extend His kingdom by a square inch.

That’s the example Jesus lived out before us, and one which He asks us to follow. He extended God’s kingdom by doing the will of His Father, by loving His neighbor, by loving His enemy, by touching the unclean, and by caring for sinners. In each instance, He put into practice the will of God, and God’s kingdom was extended.

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.......nor will they say, ‘Behold— here it is’, or, ‘There it is’. For behold— the kingdom of God is within you.~Luke 17:21​
 
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We have to read John chapter 20, Jesus told Mary "touch me not, for I have not yet ascended unto the Father" then 8 days later he told doubting Thomas to touch his wounds !! What is the difference? Well Mary would have of course defiled his perfect offering unto the Father by touching him with sin flesh. So that means Jesus went to heaven, made the offering, then RETURNED and told Thomas to touch his wounds. So they saw him coming in his power and glory. Jesus came back from sitting at the right hand of the Father.

1) Hebrews 9:24-26 refutes such a claim.

2) Jesus told mary not to CLING to him:

aptomai

Pronounce: hap'-tom-ahee

Strongs Number: G680

Orig: reflexive of 681; properly, to attach oneself to,

Use: Verb

Heb Strong: H270 H1692 H5060 H7126 H7971H7981


  1. 1) to fasten one's self to, adhere to, cling to

Jesus was telling Mary not to fasten herself to Him, not to cling to Him, for they both Had work yet to do before He would ascend, the ONE AND ONLY TIME, to offer Himself to the Father.

He We was most certainly not forbidding her from simply "touching" Him.
 
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I was thinking towards preterism, but I dunno, there might have been ways that the kingdom came back then; Pentecost would be one. Luke 21 seems to be about the end of the age at the closure of the age of the Gentiles - that scenario is yet to occur.

Luke 21 is most definitely about the 70 AD Destruction of Jerusalem.

And when comparring scripture with scripture, we can see that the time of gentile trampling of the Holy city was ordained to be over 42 months after it began (Revelation 11:2) the biblical "times of the gentiles" are not thousnads of years long.

The notion that the Roman Jewish War that destroyed the temple lasted exactly 42 months was simply coincidence and actually had nothign to do with any prophesies about the destruction of the Temple and 42 month trampling in the apostles generation, and was actually about some other destruction of some temple thousands of years in the future is simly untenable.

Aslo of note, the Church age, the age of the everlasting gospel, has no prophesied end or end times.

The Church age began in the first century at the Baptism of Jesus, overlapped the decaying, obsolete Old Covenant Age for 40 years before that age came to its firey end in 70, and now it exists throughout ALL ages, world without end. (Ephesians 3:21)
 
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1) Hebrews 9:24-26 refutes such a claim.
Is there any reason why it can't have both meanings (that He didn't want her to cling to Him....nor did He want her to touch Him and go against ritual laws)?

17 Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”~John 20:17
 
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1) Hebrews 9:24-26 refutes such a claim.

2) Jesus told mary not to CLING to him:

aptomai

Pronounce: hap'-tom-ahee

Strongs Number: G680

Orig: reflexive of 681; properly, to attach oneself to,

Use: Verb

Heb Strong: H270 H1692 H5060 H7126 H7971H7981


  1. 1) to fasten one's self to, adhere to, cling to

Jesus was telling Mary not to fasten herself to Him, not to cling to Him, for they both Had work yet to do before He would ascend, the ONE AND ONLY TIME, to offer Himself to the Father.

He We was most certainly not forbidding her from simply "touching" Him.
Nothing you cited refutes anything I said, as a matter of fact implying it does is just weird. What I stated is factual. Jesus stated he had not yet ascended unto the Father, implication = Sin Flesh would defile the offering. 1 Corinthians 15 backs that up (I don't just come up with ideas).

The Nature of the Resurrection Body

35 But someone will say, “How are the dead raised? What kind of body will they have when they come?” 36 Foolish one! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37 And as for what you sow—you are not sowing the future body, but only a seed, perhaps of wheat or another grain. 38 But God gives it a body as He wants, and to each of the seeds its own body. 39 Not all flesh is the same flesh; there is one flesh for humans, another for animals, another for birds, and another for fish. 40 There are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is different from that of the earthly ones. 41 There is a splendor of the sun, another of the moon, and another of the stars; for one star differs from another star in splendor. 42 So it is with the resurrection of the dead:

Sown in corruption, raised in incorruption;
43 sown in dishonor, raised in glory;
sown in weakness, raised in power;
44 sown a natural body, raised a spiritual body.

If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So it is written: The first man Adam became a living being; the last Adam became a life-giving Spirit. 46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, then the spiritual.

47 The first man was from the earth and made of dust; the second man is from heaven.
48 Like the man made of dust, so are those who are made of dust; like the heavenly man, so are those who are heavenly. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the man made of dust,
we will also bear the image of the heavenly man.

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50 Brothers, I tell you this: Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, and corruption cannot inherit incorruption. 51 Listen! I am telling you a mystery:

The truth is I am spot on, because I follow the Holy Spirit.

Jesus told Mary, Touch me not for I have not yet ascended t the Father. Now look towards 1 Cor. 15 and understand that FLESH and BLOOD can not enter Heaven and the ONLY THING Jesus could have meant by what he stated was that HER SIN FLESH would have defiled his offering unto God. Because 8 days later he had no trouble allowing Thomas to touch him.

Its just common sense.
 
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Is there any reason why it can't have both meanings (that He didn't want her to cling to Him....nor did He want her to touch Him and go against ritual laws)?

17 Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”~John 20:17
They have to shift everything around in order to be preterists.
 
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