Muslims do not know who they worship

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God is above all attributes, attributes go astray regarding him, and imaginations fall short of reaching him.

As for his name, it's his image, it's his face, and it's clear beyond clear that the generation leading to Noah went astray because of people take position of people like Seth and Enoch, for themselves, they took leadership and kingship for themselves.

They claimed to be enlightened and the means to enlightenment, when God is the living, than the connection to him is living, and that connection to him is the leader and guide.

As for the spirit of God, that is another synonym for the name of God, the spirit from God and the spirit of truth is another synonym of the name of God.

People would all agree on a Creator existing, that was never the problem, the problem is they didn't submit to those who he channels his light by, their problem was God appointing people like Seth to succeed Adam, their problem were the True Kings like Abraham and his chosen offspring, their problem was they opposed the true high leaders (Priests) that was meant for the family of Aaron among the Israelites in exclusion of others, just as Abraham's family was chosen.

Their problem was never the Creator, but his reminder, that which reminds truly of his nature, which were the living words of God, the instances of where the scriptures were truly understood in full, the light of God, the morning stars of the highest reality in this world, the highest skies, and they were the blessed trees extending to all.

The nice thing about Quran and Bible, is enough of itself interprets itself, so that people can conjecture all they want about them, their interpretation doesn't matter.

People once they forsake what is clear for a conjecture about it they hold dear, everything is lost.

The instances of the word of God brought to life, the light of God, the blessed tree of God, the blessed sun in the spiritual world, the light of God extended to whole word, they are his name.

Jesus is instance of his name like Samuel. Generations leading to Noah has nothing to do with the name Yahweh except they were taking the claim of living representation of light and guidance, while it's not for them to choose, rather God chooses, and they took devils and fall Angels in all that in the Unseen as Leaders and chose their representatives among humans, and it lead to disaster.

People following clergy are on the exact same tracks. The same pattern by which Satan always steals the wits of people.

If you wish to understand any instance of any scripture, you must go to proper avenues.

In the Israelites, that was the family of Moses/Aaron, one exalted chosen family, which was the family of David as well, no matter how much people try to distort the fact they were set to have a family like the family of Abraham.

And just like there were Twelve Princes to inherit a king from Ishmael, King Moses, the Messenger Moses, being a true King, also had Twelve Princes inherit his Kingship and Leadership which is God's authority that he vests to who he pleases.

And the twelve sons of Jacob like the twelve sons of Ishmael, is just a way to safeguard the number of Successors.

Twelve isn't holy because of an arbitrary division of how to link back to Abraham, it has nothing to do with Tribalism.

Rather, it has to do with succession to the Kings he anoints and manifest and proves through scripture and a message that reaches out to all intellects.

And Mohammad is the King whom the Twelve Princes inherit from, the Spirit of truth just as all Prophets were instances of that, that verified Jesus and he is the one who God would send to the whole world and is meant to be the Prophet for all humanity, and the relief of all the knots of the tongues of Prophets like Moses, it will eventually break and the truth will manifest, and the what is hidden will become apparent no matter how much ego worship get's in the way, even though Aaron and his family were meant to break it, and prepare people for the one who God will send, even though Ali and his family were meant to break it in the final nation, it hasn't happened yet, but it will. The light will be clear to all and perfected in it's manifestation, till no soul is left to ignorance, and the truth becomes apparent.

And indeed the whole world will have a choice to perish like the people of Noah or prosper through accepting the truth when it becomes apparent, and it will be verified by miracles, in the last of the 12 Successors, the Guide, who will explain the holy books as they were meant to be explained and unite all people on the word of guarding, and bring about the scriptures that people do their best to hide.
 
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Thousands of years ago the Arabs knew the God of Abraham as Yahwah, but because He would not curse the Jews for them they stop speaking His name. That is why Mohammad did not know the name of the God of Abraham.
Some Muslim countries allowed Christians to have bibles if the name Allah was in it. In that way the people were made to believe that they worshiped the same God.
 
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The truth doesn't come down to a translation semantic issue.

It doesn't come down to a petty issue like what God would chose as his personal name among words humans know.

That is despicable. And to interpret all the verses emphasizing on the position of the likes of Seth, and Enoch, the likes of the household of Abraham, etc, and do away with all that emphasis as if unrelated to the topic, that is disgusting.

I am done arguing with people who just throw conjecture on holy books. I am done this debate.

Generations leading to Noah has nothing to do with the word Yahwah, the name of God is a great thing that you will never understand despite how clear the Torah and Bible is in clarifying it.
 
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No, they went astray making their own gods of wood and stone.

Yet it says it was due to claiming the name of God for themselves, naming themselves with it. Go figure.

Anyways, I am done with people who just want to interpret scriptures to their low desires. No need to do so.

You will interpret to conjecture rather then seeking the family of the reminder who know all scriptures best and can bring out it's wonders.

You are who God cannot guide through scripture no matter how clear his words are because you just want to interpret to conjecture you come up with.
 
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Yet it says it was due to claiming the name of God for themselves, naming themselves with it. Go figure.

Anyways, I am done with people who just want to interpret scriptures to their low desires. No need to do so.

You will interpret to conjecture rather then seeking the family of the reminder who know all scriptures best and can bring out it's wonders.

You are who God cannot guide through scripture no matter how clear his words are because you just want to interpret to conjecture you come up with.

You can have last word. I am out.
 
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Gods of wood and stone


Deuteronomy 4:28

There you will worship man-made gods of wood and stone, which cannot see or hear or eat or smell.

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Deuteronomy 28:36

The Lord will drive you and the king you set over you to a nation unknown to you or your ancestors. There you will worship other gods, gods of wood and stone.

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Deuteronomy 28:64

Then the Lord will scatter you among all nations, from one end of the earth to the other. There you will worship other gods—gods of wood and stone, which neither you nor your ancestors have known.

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Deuteronomy 29:17

You saw among them their detestable images and idols of wood and stone, of silver and gold.

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2 Kings 19:18

They have thrown their gods into the fire and destroyed them, for they were not gods but only wood and stone, fashioned by human hands.

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Isaiah 37:19

They have thrown their gods into the fire and destroyed them, for they were not gods but only wood and stone, fashioned by human hands.

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Jeremiah 2:27

They say to wood, ‘You are my father,’ and to stone, ‘You gave me birth.’ They have turned their backs to me and not their faces; yet when they are in trouble, they say, ‘Come and save us!’

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Daniel 5:23

Instead, you have set yourself up against the Lord of heaven. You had the goblets from his temple brought to you, and you and your nobles, your wives and your concubines drank wine from them. You praised the gods of silver and gold, of bronze, iron, wood and stone, which cannot see or hear or understand. But you did not honor the God who holds in his hand your life and all your ways.

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Revelation 9:20

The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk.

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Living Water of Life.
Yahwah is the source of life immortal.


Jeremiah 2:13
“My people have committed two sins: They have forsaken me, the spring of living water, and have dug their own cisterns, broken cisterns that cannot hold water.

Jeremiah 17:13
Lord, you are the hope of Israel; all who forsake you will be put to shame. Those who turn away from you will be written in the dust because they have forsaken Yahwah, the spring of living water.

John 4:14
but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”

Revelation 21:6
He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life.

Revelation 22:1
Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb

Revelation 22:17
The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let the one who hears say, “Come!” Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life.

Zechariah 14:8
On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it east to the Dead Sea and half of it west to the Mediterranean Sea, in summer and in winter.

John 4:10
Yahshua answered her, “If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water.”

John 4:11
“Sir,” the woman said, “you have nothing to draw with and the well is deep. Where can you get this living water?

John 7:38
Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.”

Revelation 7:17
For the Lamb at the center of the throne will be their shepherd; ‘he will lead them to springs of living water.’ ‘And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.’”
Revelation 1:19-20.
“Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later. The mystery of the Seven Stars that you saw in my right hand and of the Seven Golden Lampsticks is this: The Seven Stars are the messengers of the Seven Congregations, and the Seven Lampsticks are the Seven Congregations.

Truth is made known by reason of the facts.
 
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All who will inherit life immortal will be gods.

Psalm 82:6 “I said, ‘You are “gods”; you are all sons of the Most High.’ 7 But you will die like mere mortals; you will fall like every other ruler.”

Genesis 6:2
the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they took any they chose as wives for themselves.

Genesis 6:4
The Nephilim were on the earth both in those days and afterwards, when the sons of God came to the daughters of men, and who bore children to them. They were powerful men of old, men of renown.

[Nephilim translated means "Fallen ones." They were [men] who were of a very low moral grade.]

Job 1:6
One day the sons of God [men] came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.

Job 2:1
One day the sons of God came again to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them to present himself before the LORD.

Job 38:7
while the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Hos 1:10
“Yet the Israelites will be like the sand on the seashore, which cannot be measured or counted. In the place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’ they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’

Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers, because they will be called sons of God.

Luke 20:36
For they cannot die anymore, because they are like [angels/messengers] and are sons of God, since they are sons of the resurrection.

Galatians 3:26
for you are all sons of God through faith in Messiah Yahshua.

Psalm 82:6
I said, "You are gods; you are all sons of the Most High.

John 10:33-34
33"We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."
34 Yahshua answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'? 35If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken— 36what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'?

Yahshua was asked if he was the Messiah, he was not asked if he was God. It has always been understood that the Messiah would be a god from Heaven.

John 10:24. The Jews who were there gathered around him, asking, “How long will you keep us in suspense, if you’re the Messiah, tell us plainly?”



Hosea 1:10
Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.

John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Romans 8:14
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Romans 8:19
For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

Galatians 4:6
And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Philippians 2:15
That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

1 John 3:1
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

1 John 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
 
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Psalm 80:15
the root your right hand has planted, the Son you have raised up for yourself.

John 10:34
Yahshua answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’ ? 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside — 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world?
Psalm 82:6
“I said, ‘You are “gods”; you are all sons of the Most High.’ 7 But you will die like mere mortals; you will fall like every other ruler.”

Those who have or will receive life immortal are called gods.

Psalm 80:17
Let your hand rest on the man at your right hand, the Son of Man you have raised up for yourself.


Psalm 110:1
Of David. A psalm.
Yahwah said to my lord: “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.”


Matthew 22:44
“‘Yahwah said to my lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet.”’


Matthew 26:64
“You have said so,” Yahshua replied. “But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”


Mark 12:36
David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit, declared: “‘Yahwah said to my lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet.”’


Mark 14:62
“Yes,” said Yahshua. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”


Mark 16:19
After the Lord Yahshua had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God.


Luke 20:42
David himself declares in the Book of Psalms: “‘Yahwah said to my lord: “Sit at my right hand...


Luke 22:69
But from now on, the Son of Man will be seated at the right hand of the mighty God.”


Quotes in Acts 2 are from the Septuagint.

Acts 2:25-27
25 David said about him: “‘I saw Yahwah always before me. Because he is at my right hand, I will not be shaken. 26 Therefore my heart is glad and my tongue rejoices; my body also will rest in hope, 27because you will not abandon me to the realm of the dead, you will not let your holy one see decay.

Psalm 16:8-11
8 I keep my eyes always on Yahwah. With him at my right hand, I will not be shaken. 9 Therefore my heart is glad and my tongue rejoices; my body also will rest secure, 10 because you will not abandon me to the realm of the dead, nor will you let your holy one see decay.


Acts 2:33
Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit, and has poured out what you now see and hear.


Acts 2:34
For David did not ascend to heaven, and yet he said, “‘Yahwah said to my lord: “Sit at my right hand...


Acts 5:31
God exalted him to his own right hand as Prince and Savior that he might bring Israel to repentance and forgive their sins.


Acts 7:55
But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Yahshua standing at the right hand of God.


Acts 7:56
“Look,” he said, “I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”


Romans 8:34
Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Messiah Yahshua who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.


Ephesians 1:20
he exerted when he raised Messiah from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms,...


Colossians 3:1
Since, then, you are being raised with Messiah, set your hearts on things above, where Messiah is, seated at the right hand of God.


Hebrews 1:3
The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.


Hebrews 1:13
To which of the messengers did God ever say, “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet”.


Hebrews 8:1
Now the main point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven,


Hebrews 10:12
But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God,


Hebrews 12:2
fixing our eyes on Yahshua, the pioneer and perfecter of faith. For the joy set before him he endured the stake, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.


1 Peter 3:22
who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with messengers, authorities and powers in submission to him.


Ezekiel 4:6
“After you have finished this, lie down again, this time on your right side, and bear the sin of the people of Judah. I have assigned you 40 days, a day for each year.

Forty years had passed, from the time of the gathering of Messiah's preaching, to the destruction of the temple.
 
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Parables Proverbs Riddles Dreams Visions.

Do you understand what these word below marked in red mean? Do you take the time to understand the verses? The bible often is written in a parable without giving any indication that it is parabolic.

Numbers 12:8
With him I speak face to face, clearly and not in riddles; he sees the form of the LORD. Why then were you not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?”

Psalm 49:4
I will turn my ear to a proverb; with the harp I will expound my riddle:

Proverbs 1:6
for understanding proverbs and parables, the sayings and riddles of the wise.

Daniel 5:12
He did this because Daniel, whom the king called Belteshazzar, was found to have a keen mind and knowledge and understanding, and also the ability to interpret dreams, explain riddles and solve difficult problems. Call for Daniel, and he will tell you what the writing means.”

Ezekiel 20:49
Then I said, “Sovereign LORD, they are saying of me, ‘Isn’t he just telling parables?’”

Hosea 12:10
I spoke to the prophets, gave them many visions and told parables through them.”

Matthew 13:3
Then he told them many things in parables, saying: “A farmer went out to sow his seed.

Matthew 13:10
The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?”

Matthew 13:13
This is why I speak to them in parables: “Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand.

Matthew 13:34
Yahshua spoke all these things to the crowd in parables; he did not say anything to them without using a parable.

Matthew 13:35
So was fulfilled what was spoken through the prophet: “I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter things hidden since the creation of the world.”

Psalm 78
2 I will open my mouth with a parable; I will utter hidden things, things from of old...
 
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Isaiah 37:19

They have thrown their gods into the fire and destroyed them, for they were not gods but only wood and stone, fashioned by human hands.
Exactly. Here the scripture admits they were never gods in the first
place, because, *again*, there is only one God.
Things are being called "gods" that aren't gods.
Those of us who believe in only one god don't fall for
that one.
 
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Allah is the contraction of Alilah which means, "The god ascends." Alilah was part of a trinity; Chemosh, Alilah, and Nergal. They were the position of the sun which were different phases. Alilah was the morning sun, Chemosh was the after noon sun, and Nergal was the sun after sunset.

Allah is just the Arabic word for "God".
 
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It was the Catholics who made war against the Judaic Christians. (Protestant Christians)

I really think that's a horrible twisting of history, not to mention the beliefs of historical Protestants. Neither Lutherans nor Reformed are "Judaic".
 
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