Shouldn't God's eternal love mean hell can't exist?

mmksparbud said:

Your house has no mind to decide for itself if it stands or falls. If it did and it chose to fall---it's the house that's the problem, not the materials. The materials were of the highest quality, the decision to follow another voice instead of its maker was the problem.

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His point is that it's his fault because of the job he did. Life is a test to see whether you make it to heaven or hell because they are THERE. Heaven first, then hell. Who made it is perfect in his judgement and who is in charge of it is perfect in judgement. Having fun is good as well. There's things you should and shouldn't do.

Too much of anything isn't good. There's always a time to quit, like inappropriate content for instance.

Aseyesee said:

So God fore knowing the end result of his actions chose to do it anyway, that falls under the let me save you from what I'm going to do to you unless you don't let me save you.

Abraham reasoned with God, but stopped at ten ...

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God saw what they could do---the choice was theirs. To force anyone to do what you want them to do is not love, it is not freedom. True freedom requires choice. True love means you give someone the option of rejecting you. Anything less is slavery. And yes, God could have wiped out Satan and his followers. And then wiped the memory of them off the rest of the angels. That still would leave everyone without true love or freedom or truth. God doesn't deal in half-truths and fakery nor forced obedience.
Not God's fault Abraham stopped at ten. That was the deal Abraham made. He just figured there had to be ten faithful---there weren't.

I bet God killed babies in egypt as part of a plan by the Pharisees to get Jesus on a cross. The God killing babies may never have happened. It may have been written after the fact. This is a problem.... they go to far to get people younger than themselves killed. Gods more moral than that. So is ma nigg@ heyzeuce.

I bet God killed babies in egypt as part of a plan by the Pharisees to get Jesus on a cross. The God killing babies may never have happened. It may have been written after the fact. This is a problem.... they go to far to get people younger than themselves killed. Gods more moral than that. So is ma nigg@ heyzeuce. Then it boils down to Satan and any younger.

I bet God killed babies in egypt as part of a plan by the Pharisees to get Jesus on a cross. The God killing babies may never have happened. It may have been written after the supposed fact f the cross. This is a problem.... they go to far to get people younger than themselves killed. Gods more moral than that. So is ma nigg@ heyzeuce. Then it boils down to Satan and any younger. Then to try to get them killed. I doubt god killed any babies. Killing babies and God's children boils down to the whole entire matter.

I bet God killed babies in egypt as part of a plan by the Pharisees to get Jesus on a cross. The God killing babies may never have happened. It may have been written after the supposed fact f the cross. This is a problem.... they go to far to get people younger than themselves killed. Gods more moral than that. So is ma nigg@ heyzeuce. Then it boils down to Satan and any younger. Then to try to get them killed. I doubt god killed any babies. Killing babies and God's children boils down to the whole entire problem wholly. It coud easily escalate from there. The catholic church isn't the enemy. Their church didn't even do these things to the people. Defending the weak is a good attribute.

I bet God killed babies in egypt as part of a plan by the Pharisees to get Jesus on a cross. The God killing babies may never have happened. It may have been written after the supposed fact f the cross. This is a problem.... they go to far to get people younger than themselves killed. Gods more moral than that. So is ma nigg@ heyzeuce. Then it boils down to Satan and any younger. Then to try to get them killed. I doubt god killed any babies. Killing babies and God's children boils down to the whole entire problem wholly. It coud easily escalate from there. The catholic church isn't the enemy. Their church didn't even do these things to the people. Defending the weak is a good attribute.

I bet God killed babies in egypt as part of a plan by the Pharisees to get Jesus on a cross. The God killing babies may never have happened. It may have been written after the supposed fact f the cross. This is a problem.... they go to far to get people younger than themselves killed. Gods more moral than that. So is Jesus. They ARE younger and powerful. Then it boils down to Satan and any younger. Then for the older to try to get them killed. I doubt god killed any babies. Killing babies and God's children boils down to the whole entire problem wholly. It coud easily escalate from there. The catholic church isn't the enemy. Their church didn't even do these things to the people. Defending the weak is a good attribute.

I bet God never killed babies in . It was part of a plan by the Pharisees to get Jesus on a cross and younger people killed. The God killing babies may never have happened. It may have been written after the supposed fact f the cross. This is a problem.... they go to far to get people younger than themselves killed. Gods more moral than that. So is Jesus. They ARE younger and powerful. Then it boils down to Satan and any younger. Then for the older to try to get them killed. I doubt god killed any babies. Killing babies and God's children boils down to the whole entire problem wholly. It coud easily escalate from there. The catholic church isn't the enemy. Their church didn't even do those things to the people. gods people never killed any babies or children and God said there will be a time when all will be revealed. God and his people are more moral than that. The point is in certain churches, the older people or dark achangels will eventually kill all the younger demons, devils, and dark angels. Maybe even the devil too as far as the sda church is concerned.

mmksparbud said:

God saw what they could do---the choice was theirs. To force anyone to do what you want them to do is not love, it is not freedom. True freedom requires choice. True love means you give someone the option of rejecting you. Anything less is slavery. And yes, God could have wiped out Satan and his followers. And then wiped the memory of them off the rest of the angels. That still would leave everyone without true love or freedom or truth. God doesn't deal in half-truths and fakery nor forced obedience.
Not God's fault Abraham stopped at ten. That was the deal Abraham made. He just figured there had to be ten faithful---there weren't.

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Forced obedience is never freedom or love, both God and the devil kinow this. The young shouldn't be forced to do anything they don't want to do, a father and son relationship is very vital to freedom, something some churches needto learn. need any hints?

I bet God never killed babies in . It was part of a plan by the Pharisees to get Jesus on a cross and younger people killed. The God killing babies may never have happened. It may have been written after the supposed fact f the cross. This is a problem.... they go to far to get people younger than themselves killed. Gods more moral than that. So is Jesus. They ARE younger and powerful. Then it boils down to Satan and any younger. Then for the older to try to get them killed. I doubt god killed any babies. Killing babies and God's children boils down to the whole entire problem wholly. It coud easily escalate from there. The catholic church isn't the enemy. Their church didn't even do those things to the people. gods people never killed any babies or children and God said there will be a time when all will be revealed. God and his people are more moral than that. The point is in certain churches, the older people or dark achangels will eventually kill all the younger demons, devils, and dark angels. Maybe even the devil too as far as the sda church is concerned.

mmksparbud said:

God saw what they could do---the choice was theirs. To force anyone to do what you want them to do is not love, it is not freedom. True freedom requires choice. True love means you give someone the option of rejecting you. Anything less is slavery. And yes, God could have wiped out Satan and his followers. And then wiped the memory of them off the rest of the angels. That still would leave everyone without true love or freedom or truth. God doesn't deal in half-truths and fakery nor forced obedience.
Not God's fault Abraham stopped at ten. That was the deal Abraham made. He just figured there had to be ten faithful---there weren't.

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Forced obedience is never freedom or love, both God and the devil kinow this. The young shouldn't be forced to do anything they don't want to do, a father and son relationship is very vital to freedom, something some churches needto learn. need any hints?

I bet God never killed babies in . It was part of a plan by the Pharisees to get Jesus on a cross and younger people killed. The God killing babies may never have happened. It may have been written after the supposed fact f the cross. This is a problem.... they go to far to get people younger than themselves killed. Gods more moral than that. So is Jesus. They ARE younger and powerful. Then it boils down to Satan and any younger. Then for the older to try to get them killed. I doubt god killed any babies. Killing babies and God's children boils down to the whole entire problem wholly. It coud easily escalate from there. The catholic church isn't the enemy. Their church didn't even do those things to the people. gods people never killed any babies or children and God said there will be a time when all will be revealed. God and his people are more moral than that. The point is in certain churches, the older people or dark achangels will eventually kill all the younger demons, devils, and dark angels. Maybe even the devil too as far as the sda church is concerned.

mmksparbud said:

God saw what they could do---the choice was theirs. To force anyone to do what you want them to do is not love, it is not freedom. True freedom requires choice. True love means you give someone the option of rejecting you. Anything less is slavery. And yes, God could have wiped out Satan and his followers. And then wiped the memory of them off the rest of the angels. That still would leave everyone without true love or freedom or truth. God doesn't deal in half-truths and fakery nor forced obedience.
Not God's fault Abraham stopped at ten. That was the deal Abraham made. He just figured there had to be ten faithful---there weren't.

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Forced obedience is never freedom or love, both God and the devil kinow this. The young shouldn't be forced to do anything they don't want to do, a father and son relationship is very vital to freedom, something some churches needto learn. need any hints? Freedom is a free world where you can do as you want. That's a better government.

I bet God never killed babies in . It was part of a plan by the Pharisees to get Jesus on a cross and younger people killed. The God killing babies may never have happened. It may have been written after the supposed fact f the cross. This is a problem.... they go to far to get people younger

mmksparbud said:

God saw what they could do---the choice was theirs. To force anyone to do what you want them to do is not love, it is not freedom. True freedom requires choice. True love means you give someone the option of rejecting you. Anything less is slavery. And yes, God could have wiped out Satan and his followers. And then wiped the memory of them off the rest of the angels. That still would leave everyone without true love or freedom or truth. God doesn't deal in half-truths and fakery nor forced obedience.
Not God's fault Abraham stopped at ten. That was the deal Abraham made. He just figured there had to be ten faithful---there weren't.

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Forced obedience is never freedom or love, both God and the devil kinow this. The young shouldn't be forced to do anything they don't want to do, a father and son relationship is very vital to freedom, something some churches needto learn. need any hints? Freedom is a free world where you can do as you want. That's a better government. Freedom to church and government are vital to freewill. something very imortant

I bet God never killed babies in . It was part of a plan by the Pharisees to get Jesus on a cross and younger people killed. The God killing babies may never have happened. It may have been written after the supposed fact f the cross. This is a problem.... they go to far to get people younger

mmksparbud said:

God saw what they could do---the choice was theirs. To force anyone to do what you want them to do is not love, it is not freedom. True freedom requires choice. True love means you give someone the option of rejecting you. Anything less is slavery. And yes, God could have wiped out Satan and his followers. And then wiped the memory of them off the rest of the angels. That still would leave everyone without true love or freedom or truth. God doesn't deal in half-truths and fakery nor forced obedience.
Not God's fault Abraham stopped at ten. That was the deal Abraham made. He just figured there had to be ten faithful---there weren't.[/QUOTe

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I bet God never killed babies in . It was part of a plan by the Pharisees to get Jesus on a cross and younger people killed. The God killing babies may never have happened. It may have been written after the supposed fact f the cross. This is a problem.... they go to far to get people younger

mmksparbud said:

God saw what they could do---the choice was theirs. To force anyone to do what you want them to do is not love, it is not freedom. True freedom requires choice. True love means you give someone the option of rejecting you. Anything less is slavery. And yes, God could have wiped out Satan and his followers. And then wiped the memory of them off the rest of the angels. That still would leave everyone without true love or freedom or truth. God doesn't deal in half-truths and fakery nor forced obedience.
Not God's fault Abraham stopped at ten. That was the deal Abraham made. He just figured there had to be ten faithful---there weren't.[/QUOTe

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If a being hates God's image and likeness, and so hates people or a type of person... then they cause injuries... this won't be tolerated in the midst of the saints God loves. That would be a faulted Heaven, not Heaven, nor paradise. If we refuse a chance to change and be perfected, we may instead face God's eternal anger.

mmksparbud said:

God saw what they could do---the choice was theirs. To force anyone to do what you want them to do is not love, it is not freedom. True freedom requires choice. True love means you give someone the option of rejecting you. Anything less is slavery. And yes, God could have wiped out Satan and his followers. And then wiped the memory of them off the rest of the angels. That still would leave everyone without true love or freedom or truth. God doesn't deal in half-truths and fakery nor forced obedience.
Not God's fault Abraham stopped at ten. That was the deal Abraham made. He just figured there had to be ten faithful---there weren't.

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How do you make a choice without knowledge?

The first question in the Bible is not about choice, it is about source; an outward picture if an inward truth, and the process of it.

David7818 said:

Aseyesee, did hitler, the Christian mad man go to hell? Yes. Because of his actions. Hell isn't a good place. Genocide is terribly wrong.

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Opinion is not proof ... the righteousness which is by faith, that works by love doesn't say this ... it's part and parcel of a single eye in relationship to the soul.

Aseyesee said:

Abraham reasoned with God, but stopped at ten ...

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why did he stop at ten?

there are 22 letters in the hebrew alphabet, 5 of which use different forms at the end of a word. genesis is the first book and 22 is the last letter. it would seem important since Gods Son is called the Word.

here is a ten.

Gen 22:10 (YLT)
and Abraham putteth forth his hand, and taketh the knife--to slaughter his son.

Gen 22:13 (YLT)
And Abraham lifteth up his eyes, and looketh, and lo, a ram behind, seized in a thicket by its horns; and Abraham goeth, and taketh the ram, and causeth it to ascend for a burnt-offering instead of his son;

H8478 תַּחַת tachath (takh'-ath) n-m.
1. the bottom (as depressed)
2. only adverbially, below (often with prepositional prefix underneath), in lieu of, etc


there is hope with God but thick darkness keeps the fallen angels until that big day ( weddings seem like a big day to me and love is an everlasting bond)

Jude 1:6
angels also, those who did not keep their own principality, but did leave their proper dwelling, to a decision of a big day, in bonds everlasting, under darkness He hath kept,

Isa 60:1-5 (YLT)
Arise, be bright, for come hath thy light, And the honour of Jehovah hath risen on thee. For, lo, the darkness doth cover the earth, And thick darkness the peoples, And on thee rise doth Jehovah, And His honour on thee is seen. And come have nations to thy light, And kings to the brightness of thy rising. Lift up round about thine eyes and see, All of them have been gathered, they have come to thee, Thy sons from afar do come, And thy daughters on the side are supported. Then thou seest, and hast become bright, And thine heart hath been afraid and enlarged, For turn unto thee doth the multitude of the sea, The forces of nations do come to thee.

"Thy sons from afar do come, And thy daughters on the side are supported" reminds me of the 22 and 5.

Noxot said:

why did he stop at ten?

there are 22 letters in the hebrew alphabet, 5 of which use different forms at the end of a word. genesis is the first book and 22 is the last letter. it would seem important since Gods Son is called the Word.

here is a ten.

Gen 22:10 (YLT)
and Abraham putteth forth his hand, and taketh the knife--to slaughter his son.

Gen 22:13 (YLT)
And Abraham lifteth up his eyes, and looketh, and lo, a ram behind, seized in a thicket by its horns; and Abraham goeth, and taketh the ram, and causeth it to ascend for a burnt-offering instead of his son;

H8478 תַּחַת tachath (takh'-ath) n-m.
1. the bottom (as depressed)
2. only adverbially, below (often with prepositional prefix underneath), in lieu of, etc


there is hope with God but thick darkness keeps the fallen angels until that big day ( weddings seem like a big day to me and love is an everlasting bond)

Jude 1:6
angels also, those who did not keep their own principality, but did leave their proper dwelling, to a decision of a big day, in bonds everlasting, under darkness He hath kept,

Isa 60:1-5 (YLT)
Arise, be bright, for come hath thy light, And the honour of Jehovah hath risen on thee. For, lo, the darkness doth cover the earth, And thick darkness the peoples, And on thee rise doth Jehovah, And His honour on thee is seen. And come have nations to thy light, And kings to the brightness of thy rising. Lift up round about thine eyes and see, All of them have been gathered, they have come to thee, Thy sons from afar do come, And thy daughters on the side are supported. Then thou seest, and hast become bright, And thine heart hath been afraid and enlarged, For turn unto thee doth the multitude of the sea, The forces of nations do come to thee.

"Thy sons from afar do come, And thy daughters on the side are supported" reminds me of the 22 and 5.

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Abraham's ladder ...