We dont have to become the apocalypse preppers

Bible2+ · Mar 23, 2018

R. Hartono said in post #77:

When will Jesus claim back this earth and establish peace and justice and heal mankind from sorrows and grief ?

Some Christians reasonably think that this will occur at the future Tribulation's seventh trumpet, which is when they think the Second Coming will occur.

But regarding the seventh trumpet (Revelation 11:15-19), note that it does not refer to any coming of Jesus. Instead, Revelation 11:15 refers to the future point in time (to us) (Revelation 4:1b) when Jesus Christ will take ultimate, legal, physical authority over the earth, away from Satan (cf. Luke 4:5-7) and Satan's fallen angels (Ephesians 6:12), and away from the future Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast") (Revelation 13:4-18, cf. Revelation 12:9) and the Antichrist's ten kings (Revelation 17:12-13), right when the seventh trumpet sounds. It will not be until a little later that Jesus will physically return and take de facto, physical control of the earth at His Second Coming and during the subsequent Millennium (Revelation 19:11 to 20:6).

Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming will not occur immediately after the sounding of the future Tribulation's seventh trumpet and the declaration of the legal replacement of the future Antichrist's literal 3.5 year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5-18, Revelation 12:6,14) with Jesus' reign (Revelation 11:15). For a "time" (Revelation 11:18) can last awhile (cf. Revelation 12:14). It is like if someone said: "It is time to sell this house"; this does not mean that it will get sold immediately. The only part of Revelation 11:18 which will happen immediately after the seventh trumpet sounds is "thy wrath is come". For the plagues of the vials of God's wrath (Revelation 16), the Tribulation's final stage, will come out of the seventh trumpet's heavenly-temple opening (Revelation 11:19, Revelation 15:5 to 16:1).

So the seventh trumpet (Revelation 11:15-19), even though it will be the last trumpet to sound during the Tribulation, will not be the resurrection "last trump" of 1 Corinthians 15:52. The latter will not sound until after the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, at Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming (Matthew 24:29-31; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16), which will not occur until Revelation 19, and which is when the Church will be physically resurrected into immortality (Revelation 19:7 to 20:6; 1 Corinthians 15:21-23,51-54; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16).

Before the Second Coming, the Tribulation's final, Revelation 16 stage could last for 75 days. For the first vial in Revelation 16 could be poured out immediately after the 1,260 days of the future Antichrist's worldwide reign (Revelation 13:5), which 1,260 days could begin when the abomination of desolation (possibly a standing, android image of the Antichrist) is set up in the holy place (the inner sanctum) of a future, third Jewish temple in Jerusalem (Matthew 24:15, Daniel 11:31,36). And Jesus could return on the 1,335th day after the setting up of the abomination of desolation (Daniel 12:11-12, Revelation 16:15). An analogy for the possible, 75-day, vials-delay between Jesus Christ taking legal possession of the earth (Revelation 11:15) and His return to take de facto, physical possession of it (Revelation chapters 19-20), would be someone in New York legally inheriting a house in California, 75 days before he moves there to live in that house.

At Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming, only the Church will be physically resurrected and judged (1 Corinthians 15:21-23; 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16, Revelation 19:7 to 20:6, Psalms 50:3-6, cf. Mark 13:27). And then Jesus will marry the obedient part of the Church (Revelation 19:7-8, Matthew 25:1-12). Then Revelation 19:11-21 will occur. So both the resurrection and rewarding of the Church in Revelation 11:18, as well as the destroying of the destroyers of the earth in Revelation 11:18, could occur 75 days after the seventh trumpet's sounding. And because a "time" can last awhile (cf. Revelation 12:14), this would still be well within the "time" referred to in Revelation 11:18.

Everyone not physically resurrected and judged at Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming will not be physically resurrected and judged until Revelation 20:11-15, which will not occur until sometime after the returned Jesus and the physically resurrected Church have reigned on the earth for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:4-6, Revelation 5:10, Revelation 2:26-29), a time period commonly called the Millennium. Both resurrections and judgments can still occur within Revelation 11:18's "time". For the original Greek word (kairos: G2540) translated there as "time" can refer to even quite a long period. For example, the same Greek word is used in 2 Corinthians 6:2 to refer to the "time" of people becoming Christians, which has been going on for thousands of years.

Bible2+ · Mar 23, 2018

jgr said in post #79:

1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

While 1 John 2:18 says, in the singular, "antichrist shall come", the idea of the individual-man Antichrist, which is correct, is not (as is sometimes claimed) based on this verse. For this verse refers to the singular antichrist spirit (see the original Greek of 1 John 4:3 and 2 John 1:7). Regarding the "ye have heard" part of 1 John 2:18, those originally addressed in 1 John 2:18 could have already heard through non-written, oral apostolic teaching (cf. 2 Thessalonians 2:5) that the antichrist spirit would come.

The future, individual-man commonly called "the Antichrist" still today is the never-fulfilled individual who will institute the "mark of the beast" (Revelation 13:16-17, Revelation 16:2), which will be a literal, physical mark which will be visible to people so that they can easily tell in every situation whether or not someone should be permitted to buy or sell (Revelation 13:17). It will also be visible because the original Greek of Revelation 13:16 shows that the mark will be placed only "on" (epi), not inside, people's right hands or foreheads. Also, it will be placed on people probably by scarification. For in Revelation 13:16, one of the definitions of the original Greek word (charagma: G5480) translated as the "mark" is "a scratch or etching" (Strong's Greek Dictionary), and scarification is the scratching or etching (that is, the cutting) of the skin to leave a permanent mark. The reason that people will be given the mark in Revelation 13:16, in the context of what was shown previously in Revelation 13:4,8,15, will be to serve as a visible indicator to other people that they are loyal worshippers of Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9) and of the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) and his image (Revelation 13:4,8,15), just as some Satanists today put a mark on themselves by scarification.

The mark will consist of only the Antichrist's name "or" some representation of the gematrial number of his name (666) (Revelation 13:17-18), meaning that the mark will be the Antichrist's name for some people and a representation of the gematrial number of his name for other people. And the mark will be placed only on the right hand (probably on the palm) "or" on the forehead (Revelation 13:16), meaning that it will be placed on the right hands of some people and on the foreheads of other people.

Those who refuse to receive the Antichrist's mark will not be allowed to buy or sell anything (Revelation 13:17). And they will be executed by being beheaded if they refuse to worship the Antichrist and his image (Revelation 13:15, Revelation 20:4). Christians must be willing to suffer this fate rather than agree to receive the Antichrist's mark or worship him or his image. For those people who agree to do these things, even if they are Christians, will suffer God's wrath in fire and brimstone forever (Revelation 14:9-13), while those Christians who refuse to do these things, even though they will be beheaded by the Antichrist, will be physically resurrected into immortality (along with the rest of the obedient Church of all times) at Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming (Revelation 20:4-6; 1 Corinthians 15:21-23,52-58), which will occur immediately after the future Tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31). And even before their resurrection, at the moment of their death their still-conscious souls will be brought into the presence of Jesus in heaven (cf. 2 Corinthians 5:8, Philippians 1:21,23, Revelation 6:9-10, Luke 23:43,46).

In the future, when the world begins to worship the Antichrist as God (Revelation 13:8; 2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36), some people could gladly be willing to have his name placed by scarification on their right palm, just as lovers in the past were sometimes known to have their loved ones' initials placed by scarification on their palms (compare also Isaiah 49:16, Jeremiah 48:37, Leviticus 19:28, and Leviticus 21:5). Other of the Antichrist's worshippers could gladly be willing to have his name placed by scarification on their foreheads, thinking (mistakenly) that they are fulfilling the Christian idea of Revelation 22:4, which refers to the future point in time when Jesus will put God's name visibly on the forehead of obedient Christians (Revelation 3:12). The Antichrist's miracle-working False Prophet, who will be the one who will cause everyone to be marked with the Antichrist's mark (Revelation 13:16-18), could even convince people that he (the False Prophet) is Jesus himself returned (via "reincarnation"). But he will not say that he is Christ. For he and the Antichrist will deny that Jesus is the Christ, and will deny that Christ is in the flesh (1 John 2:22; 2 John 1:7).

Instead of having the Antichrist's name engraved on their right hand or forehead, some of his worshippers will have the gematrial number of his name (666) (Revelation 13:17c-18) engraved on their right hand or forehead. But because some people could refuse to have "666" placed on their body, in order to make a mark of 666 acceptable to all people it could be disguised to look like something else in those cases where people demand something other than "666". For example, it could be disguised in some cases to look like "777", or "111", or "WWW", or "VVV", or "|| || ||", or "FFF". For the sixth letter of the ancient Hebrew alphabet (Vav) represents the number 6, but it looks like a "7", or a "1", and it is transliterated into English as either a "W" or a "V". Also, two thin vertical lines "||" represent the number 6 on many UPC codes. And the letter "F" has a numerical value of 6 in English gematria.

In an awful coincidence (or maybe it is not just a coincidence), "FFF" also stands for an extremely powerful type of nuclear bomb: Fission-Fusion-Fission. Could this be the type of bomb which the ten kings of the future Antichrist's empire will employ in order to burn up the cities of the nations at the end of the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 (Revelation 17:12,16-17a, Revelation 16:19, Revelation 19:2,11)?

The "WWW" which has been placed on many internet addresses, and the "|| || ||" which has been placed across many UPC codes on products (that is, they have a "||" at the beginning, middle, and end of their UPC codes), are harbingers of when Satan will give the Antichrist ownership of everything on the earth (Revelation 13:2b; cf. Luke 4:7), and of the Antichrist's placing of his "brand" on everything, like how a rancher places his "brand" on all of his cattle. For both "WWW" and "|| || ||" are disguised representations of the gematrial number of the Antichrist's name: 666 (Revelation 13:17c-18). But Revelation 13:16 is not fulfilled by many internet addresses having a "WWW", nor by many products having "|| || ||" on their UPC codes. For Revelation 13:16 refers only to when people will be given the Antichrist's mark, on either their right hand or forehead.

Those assigned to have the mark placed on their forehead (instead of on their right hand) (Revelation 13:16) could be an elite, illumined, cognoscenti class of Gnostic Luciferians who alone will have been given knowledge of the ultimate secrets of the Antichrist's Gnostic Luciferianism, also called Satanism. The Antichrist will be both a Satanist, a worshipper of Satan the dragon (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9), and a Gnostic, someone who denies that Christ is in the flesh (1 John 4:3), and forbids marriage and the eating of meat (1 Timothy 4:1-3). The cream of his cognoscenti could be a faux 144,000, consisting of male virgins (as a counterfeit of Revelation 14:4) who have never eaten meat. If they receive on their forehead the mark of the Antichrist's name (instead of a representation of the number of his name) (Revelation 13:17), this will be as a counterfeit of YHWH's 144,000 in Revelation 14:1. But the Antichrist will not pretend that he is YHWH, just as he will not pretend that he is Christ. Instead, as a Gnostic, he will utterly revile YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36). And his Gnostic denial that Christ is in the flesh (1 John 4:3) will disqualify him (under his Gnostic doctrine) from being Christ.

R. Hartono · Mar 23, 2018

Bible2+ said:
Those who refuse to receive the Antichrist's mark will not be allowed to buy or sell anything

C= 3X6 =18
O=15X6=90
M=13X6=78
P=16X6 =96
U=21X6=126
T=20X6=120
E=5X6 = 30
R=18X6=108
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TOTAL=666

666 is the rfid microchip computer

jgr · Mar 23, 2018

Bible2+ said:
Note that nothing in the Bible says or requires that spiritual gates attack. For the purpose of gates is defensive.

Matthew 16:18 unmistakably says they do. These are spiritual gates which are animated and offensive. They attack.

If you plug the Greek word κατισχύσουσιν used in the verse into an online translator, the English result is "crash".

"Crash" refers to purely offensive action. In English vernacular, the verse says that the gates of hell will not "crash" the Church. Any entity which attempts to crash another entity is engaging exclusively in offensive, not defensive, action. Ask anyone who's ever crashed a party if they were acting offensively (in more ways than one), or defensively. There's no doubt what they would reply.

Bible2+ said:
The Diving Guarantee is only that the gates of Hell would not prevail defensively against the "Rock", Jesus Christ (Matthew 16:18b; 1 Corinthians 10:4b, Psalms 107:16, Ephesians 4:8-9, 1 Peter 3:19; 1 Peter 4:6).

For note that the future Antichrist will prevail against the Church (Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 20:4-6, Matthew 24:9-13).

Christ refers to the gates of hell not prevailing against "it", i.e. the Church, in Matthew 16:18. "It" refers both grammatically and logically to the Church.

And no antichrist ever has or will prevail spiritually against the church, for if Christ has guaranteed that the gates of hell will not prevail spiritually against it, and He has in Matthew 16:18, then under no conditions will any antichrist prevail spiritually. Antichrists have and will prevail temporally. But that is the limit of their ability to prevail.

Bible2+ said:
But some people mistakenly think that Matthew 16:18b means that the Church cannot even be physically defeated, and they refer to Luke 10:19.

I'm not one who thinks that, nor do I know anyone who does. History attests to the physical death of countless millions of saints at the hands of antichrists, and that will undoubtedly continue until Christ's return.

Bible2+ said:
But if Luke 10:19 refers to physical protection, then the verse could have applied only to the seventy people sent forth by Jesus Christ (Luke 10:1, Luke 10:17-20). If Luke 10:19 applies to the entire Church, then it means that the power of Satan cannot hurt obedient Christians spiritually. For Satan, when allowed by God, can hurt and even kill obedient Christians physically (Revelation 2:10, Revelation 13:7-10, Revelation 20:4-6, Matthew 24:9-13). But obedient Christians overcome Satan spiritually even when they are physically killed by him (Revelation 12:11). For they are more than conquerors spiritually even when they are physically led like sheep to the slaughter (Romans 8:36-37). For death is a gain for obedient Christians, as it brings their still-conscious souls into heaven to be with Jesus (Philippians 1:21,23; 2 Corinthians 5:8). So obedient Christians need have no fear of death (Hebrews 2:15).

True.

jgr · Mar 23, 2018

Bible2+ said:
While 1 John 2:18 says, in the singular, "antichrist shall come", the idea of the individual-man Antichrist, which is correct, is not (as is sometimes claimed) based on this verse. For this verse refers to the singular antichrist spirit (see the original Greek of 1 John 4:3 and 2 John 1:7). Regarding the "ye have heard" part of 1 John 2:18, those originally addressed in 1 John 2:18 could have already heard through non-written, oral apostolic teaching (cf. 2 Thessalonians 2:5) that the antichrist spirit would come.

The future, individual-man commonly called "the Antichrist" still today is the never-fulfilled individual who will institute the "mark of the beast" (Revelation 13:16-17, Revelation 16:2), which will be a literal, physical mark which will be visible to people so that they can easily tell in every situation whether or not someone should be permitted to buy or sell (Revelation 13:17). It will also be visible because the original Greek of Revelation 13:16 shows that the mark will be placed only "on" (epi), not inside, people's right hands or foreheads. Also, it will be placed on people probably by scarification. For in Revelation 13:16, one of the definitions of the original Greek word (charagma: G5480) translated as the "mark" is "a scratch or etching" (Strong's Greek Dictionary), and scarification is the scratching or etching (that is, the cutting) of the skin to leave a permanent mark. The reason that people will be given the mark in Revelation 13:16, in the context of what was shown previously in Revelation 13:4,8,15, will be to serve as a visible indicator to other people that they are loyal worshippers of Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9) and of the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast) and his image (Revelation 13:4,8,15), just as some Satanists today put a mark on themselves by scarification.

The mark will consist of only the Antichrist's name "or" some representation of the gematrial number of his name (666) (Revelation 13:17-18), meaning that the mark will be the Antichrist's name for some people and a representation of the gematrial number of his name for other people. And the mark will be placed only on the right hand (probably on the palm) "or" on the forehead (Revelation 13:16), meaning that it will be placed on the right hands of some people and on the foreheads of other people.

Those who refuse to receive the Antichrist's mark will not be allowed to buy or sell anything (Revelation 13:17). And they will be executed by being beheaded if they refuse to worship the Antichrist and his image (Revelation 13:15, Revelation 20:4). Christians must be willing to suffer this fate rather than agree to receive the Antichrist's mark or worship him or his image. For those people who agree to do these things, even if they are Christians, will suffer God's wrath in fire and brimstone forever (Revelation 14:9-13), while those Christians who refuse to do these things, even though they will be beheaded by the Antichrist, will be physically resurrected into immortality (along with the rest of the obedient Church of all times) at Jesus Christ's future, Second Coming (Revelation 20:4-6; 1 Corinthians 15:21-23,52-58), which will occur immediately after the future Tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31). And even before their resurrection, at the moment of their death their still-conscious souls will be brought into the presence of Jesus in heaven (cf. 2 Corinthians 5:8, Philippians 1:21,23, Revelation 6:9-10, Luke 23:43,46).

In the future, when the world begins to worship the Antichrist as God (Revelation 13:8; 2 Thessalonians 2:4, Daniel 11:36), some people could gladly be willing to have his name placed by scarification on their right palm, just as lovers in the past were sometimes known to have their loved ones' initials placed by scarification on their palms (compare also Isaiah 49:16, Jeremiah 48:37, Leviticus 19:28, and Leviticus 21:5). Other of the Antichrist's worshippers could gladly be willing to have his name placed by scarification on their foreheads, thinking (mistakenly) that they are fulfilling the Christian idea of Revelation 22:4, which refers to the future point in time when Jesus will put God's name visibly on the forehead of obedient Christians (Revelation 3:12). The Antichrist's miracle-working False Prophet, who will be the one who will cause everyone to be marked with the Antichrist's mark (Revelation 13:16-18), could even convince people that he (the False Prophet) is Jesus himself returned (via "reincarnation"). But he will not say that he is Christ. For he and the Antichrist will deny that Jesus is the Christ, and will deny that Christ is in the flesh (1 John 2:22; 2 John 1:7).

Instead of having the Antichrist's name engraved on their right hand or forehead, some of his worshippers will have the gematrial number of his name (666) (Revelation 13:17c-18) engraved on their right hand or forehead. But because some people could refuse to have "666" placed on their body, in order to make a mark of 666 acceptable to all people it could be disguised to look like something else in those cases where people demand something other than "666". For example, it could be disguised in some cases to look like "777", or "111", or "WWW", or "VVV", or "|| || ||", or "FFF". For the sixth letter of the ancient Hebrew alphabet (Vav) represents the number 6, but it looks like a "7", or a "1", and it is transliterated into English as either a "W" or a "V". Also, two thin vertical lines "||" represent the number 6 on many UPC codes. And the letter "F" has a numerical value of 6 in English gematria.

In an awful coincidence (or maybe it is not just a coincidence), "FFF" also stands for an extremely powerful type of nuclear bomb: Fission-Fusion-Fission. Could this be the type of bomb which the ten kings of the future Antichrist's empire will employ in order to burn up the cities of the nations at the end of the future Tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 (Revelation 17:12,16-17a, Revelation 16:19, Revelation 19:2,11)?

The "WWW" which has been placed on many internet addresses, and the "|| || ||" which has been placed across many UPC codes on products (that is, they have a "||" at the beginning, middle, and end of their UPC codes), are harbingers of when Satan will give the Antichrist ownership of everything on the earth (Revelation 13:2b; cf. Luke 4:7), and of the Antichrist's placing of his "brand" on everything, like how a rancher places his "brand" on all of his cattle. For both "WWW" and "|| || ||" are disguised representations of the gematrial number of the Antichrist's name: 666 (Revelation 13:17c-18). But Revelation 13:16 is not fulfilled by many internet addresses having a "WWW", nor by many products having "|| || ||" on their UPC codes. For Revelation 13:16 refers only to when people will be given the Antichrist's mark, on either their right hand or forehead.

Those assigned to have the mark placed on their forehead (instead of on their right hand) (Revelation 13:16) could be an elite, illumined, cognoscenti class of Gnostic Luciferians who alone will have been given knowledge of the ultimate secrets of the Antichrist's Gnostic Luciferianism, also called Satanism. The Antichrist will be both a Satanist, a worshipper of Satan the dragon (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9), and a Gnostic, someone who denies that Christ is in the flesh (1 John 4:3), and forbids marriage and the eating of meat (1 Timothy 4:1-3). The cream of his cognoscenti could be a faux 144,000, consisting of male virgins (as a counterfeit of Revelation 14:4) who have never eaten meat. If they receive on their forehead the mark of the Antichrist's name (instead of a representation of the number of his name) (Revelation 13:17), this will be as a counterfeit of YHWH's 144,000 in Revelation 14:1. But the Antichrist will not pretend that he is YHWH, just as he will not pretend that he is Christ. Instead, as a Gnostic, he will utterly revile YHWH (Revelation 13:6, Daniel 11:36). And his Gnostic denial that Christ is in the flesh (1 John 4:3) will disqualify him (under his Gnostic doctrine) from being Christ.

To the extent that the characteristics and behaviors of the creatures and/or characters in Revelation match the definitions and descriptions of antichrists in John's epistles, then those creatures and/or characters can legitimately be described as antichrists as well.

But to preserve scriptural consistency with what John wrote, in particular his descriptions of multiple antichrists which already existed in his day, and were thus not exclusively singular and future; then all of your own descriptions specifying "the Antichrist" need to be revised to read "an" or "this" or "that" or "the", "antichrist".

Bible2+ · Mar 24, 2018

R. Hartono said in post #83:

666 is the rfid microchip computer

Do you mean that the "mark of the beast" (Revelation 13:16-17, Revelation 16:2) will be an RFID microchip?

If so, the future Antichrist could require that everyone receive an injected RFID microchip, between their right thumb and forefinger, which could be used as an identification device, a debit/credit card, and a repository of emergency healthcare information (that is, it could alert emergency healthcare workers to any medicinal allergies or conditions which an individual may have). But any such microchip would be separate from the "mark of the beast" (Revelation 16:2, Revelation 13:16-18). For the latter will be visible to people so that they can easily tell in every situation, even one without electricity, whether or not someone should be permitted to buy or sell (Revelation 13:17). It will also be visible because the original Greek of Revelation 13:16 shows that the mark will be placed only "on" (epi), not inside, people's right hands or foreheads. Also, it will be placed on people probably by scarification. For in Revelation 13:16, one of the definitions of the original Greek word (charagma: G5480) translated as the "mark" is "a scratch or etching" (Strong's Greek Dictionary), and scarification is the scratching or etching (that is, the cutting) of the skin to leave a permanent mark.

R. Hartono said in post #83:

666 is the rfid microchip computer

Regarding "666", the 666 in Revelation 13:17c-18 refers to the number six hundred and sixty-six, the "number of the name" of the individual man who will be the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of Revelation's "beast"). The number of a name (Revelation 13:17c-18, Revelation 15:2) is determined by employing the ancient method of gematria, by which numerical values are assigned to the letters of any alphabet as follows: The first nine letters are 1 through 9, the next nine letters are 10 through 90 (counting by tens), and the rest of the letters are 100, 200, 300, etc., to the end of the alphabet. In Revelation 13:18, the "counting", the adding up, of the gematrial number of the future Antichrist's name should be done in the same way that the gematrial numerical values of the three Greek letters (Chi, Xi, and Stigma) at the end of Revelation 13:18 (in the original Greek Textus Receptus) are added up to arrive at the number six hundred and sixty-six.

The numerical values of the letters of the ancient Greek alphabet (including the three obsolete letters of Stigma, Qoppa, and Sampi) were as follows: Alpha = 1, Beta = 2, Gamma = 3, Delta = 4, Epsilon = 5, Stigma = 6, Zeta = 7, Eta = 8, Theta = 9, Iota = 10, Kappa = 20, Lambda = 30, Mu = 40, Nu = 50, Xi = 60, Omikron = 70, Pi = 80, Qoppa = 90, Rho = 100, Sigma = 200, Tau = 300, Upsilon = 400, Phi = 500, Chi = 600, Psi = 700, Omega = 800, Sampi = 900.

Just as the numerical values of Chi, Xi, and Stigma at the end of Revelation 13:18 (in the Textus Receptus) add up to 666, so the numerical values of the letters in the future Antichrist's name will add up to 666 (Revelation 13:17c-18). The apostle John used the Greek alphabet because it was the most common one used by Christians when the book of Revelation was written down in the first century AD. Today, the English alphabet is the most common one used by Christians, insofar as English is the current lingua franca of the world. So the Antichrist's name will most likely add up to 666 in the English alphabet. The purpose of Revelation 13:17c-18 is to facilitate for Christians, not to make difficult for them, the identification of a certain man as possibly being the Antichrist. If the letters in his name had to be transliterated into the Greek alphabet, this would vitiate this purpose, for almost all Christians today would not know how to properly perform this transliteration, and so different Christians would come up with different transliterations, and so would come up with different gematrial numbers for the name of the man in question.

If Christians think that someone is the Antichrist, then they need to check and make sure that his name adds up to 666 in gematria (Revelation 13:17c-18). If it does not, then he is not the Antichrist. If it does, then he could be, and they need to be especially wary of him, and not be taken in by any deceptive charisma, intelligence, or amazing deeds which he might display. But even if someone's name does add up to 666, this does not mean that he is definitely the Antichrist. For just by chance there could be more than one person in the world whose name adds up to 666. The Antichrist also has to come from a country the territory of which used to be part of one of the four Diadochian Greek kingdoms which succeeded Alexander the Great (Daniel 8:8-9,21-25). These kingdoms stretched from Greece over to Iran, and down into Egypt. So the Antichrist could come from the Middle East. He could be an Arab who will come from Lebanon, from the modern city of Tyre (Ezekiel 28:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:4), and have a name like (for example) "Nabil Abdullah Falakal al-Hakim", which adds up to 666.

But if a man from the Middle East has a name which adds up to 666, even this does not assure that he is the Antichrist. For he also has to sit (at least one time) in a future, third Jewish temple in Jerusalem and proclaim himself God (2 Thessalonians 2:3-4, Daniel 11:31,36, Matthew 24:15, Revelation 11:1-2). Once he does that, there will not be any more room for doubt over whether or not he is the Antichrist. His identity will have been definitely revealed (2 Thessalonians 2:3b-4).

The gematrial numerical values of the letters of the English alphabet are: A=1, B=2, C=3, D=4, E=5, F=6, G=7, H=8, I=9, J=10, K=20, L=30, M=40, N=50, O=60, P=70, Q=80, R=90, S=100, T=200, U=300, V=400, W=500, X=600, Y=700, Z=800. The way that the gematrial number of a name is "counted" (Revelation 13:17c-18), is added up, is simply by adding up the gematrial numerical values of all of the letters in that name. So, for example, the number of the name "John Mark Smith" is 636, because: J=10, O=60, H=8, N=50, M=40, A=1, R=90, K=20, S=100, M=40, I=9, T=200, H=8. Total = 636. The future Antichrist's name will add up to 666 (Revelation 13:17c-18).

R. Hartono · Mar 24, 2018

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Antichrist could require that everyone receive an injected RFID microchip, which could be used as a debit/credit card,

Can you see that cashless society is just a difficult situation forced to people so that they hv no choice but to rcvd the chip for buying and selling and automatically forced to rcv the mark of the beast.

Bible2+ · Mar 25, 2018

R. Hartono said in post #87:

Can you see that cashless society is just a difficult situation forced to people so that they hv no choice but to rcvd the chip for buying and selling . . .

If the future Antichrist says that people without implanted microchips can still use their cash or debit/credit cards in order to buy things under his reign, so long as they simply receive (by scarification) a mark representing his name or gematrial name-number (666) on their right hand or forehead, will many Christians agree to receive this mark because they were mistakenly taught that the only thing that the mark can be is an implanted microchip?

Also, note that a scarification mark would not replace microchip implants, which could be used to electronically perform buy/sell transactions like debit/credit cards do today. Instead, a scarification mark would be in addition to them, just as today, the club-member cards of members-only stores do not replace debit/credit cards, but are in addition to them. Just as without a club-member card, people today are not permitted to buy anything at a members-only store even if they have a debit/credit card, so without the future Antichrist's mark, people during his literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Revelation 13:4-18) will not be allowed to buy anything (Revelation 13:17), even if they have a debit/credit microchip implant.

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It is sometimes asked: "But is not the mark all about buying and selling itself, money itself?"

The answer is No. For Revelation 13:17 does not say that the mark itself will perform buy/sell transactions, like debit/credit cards do today. It only says that without the mark, people will not be permitted to buy or sell. A present-day analogy of this distinction would be how club-member cards do not perform buy/sell transactions at members-only stores, like debit/credit cards do, yet without a club-member card, people are not permitted to buy anything at those stores, even if they have a debit/credit card.

God does not ask us to choose between Him on the one hand, and buying and selling on the other. For buying and selling can be done virtuously (Proverbs 31:10,16,24, Luke 22:36, Matthew 19:21, Matthew 13:44). But God does ask us to choose between Him, and money, regarding what we serve (as opposed to what we merely use). For we cannot serve two masters (Matthew 6:24). But when the future Antichrist's literal 3.5-year worldwide reign comes (Revelation 13:4-18), if we remain in the cities instead of fleeing into prepared, God-protected wilderness places (Revelation 12:6,12-14), the most basic choice which we will have to make will not be between serving God or serving money, but between, on the one hand, serving God, and getting beheaded (Revelation 20:4), or, on the other hand, serving Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) (Revelation 13:4, Revelation 12:9), and not getting beheaded. And if we choose the latter, we may gain a few more years of life, but only in exchange for an eternity in hell (Revelation 14:9-11).

R. Hartono said in post #87:

Can you see that cashless society is just a difficult situation forced to people so that they hv no choice but to rcvd the chip for buying and selling and automatically forced to rcv the mark of the beast.

Regarding being "forced" to receive the mark, that brought to mind a Christian's vision connecting a vaccination campaign with the mark.

That is, there could be a connection between a future, worldwide vaccination campaign and the mark of the beast, in that the vaccine and the mark could be administered at the same time, by the same doctor/nurse type of people who are trained to use needles, scalpels, and bandages properly and antiseptically. For the "mark of the beast" (Revelation 13:16-17, Revelation 16:2) could be a permanent scar made by cuts with a scalpel.

Before the vaccination campaign begins, the Antichrist's intelligence agents could covertly spread around (such as with small, private planes secretly fitted with hidden spraying devices) an especially deadly bacteria (like anthrax) or an especially deadly virus (like Ebola) over the world's major population centers, after scientists working for the Antichrist have secretly come up with a vaccine which works against that bacteria or virus. After waiting until the bacteria or virus has killed tens of millions of people around the world, and health agencies issue dire warnings that it could bring about the extinction of mankind, the Antichrist could present himself to the world as its savior by offering his (in his words) "just discovered" vaccine freely to everyone, on the simple condition that they, as a sign of gratitude for his saving their lives (and as a sign to others that they have been vaccinated), willingly receive his mark when they receive the vaccine. People could then rush to receive the vaccine and the mark, in order to keep from dying from the bacteria or virus.

Under such a scenario, Christians would have to decide whether to save their mortal lives or let them be ended by the bacteria or virus in order to keep from receiving the Antichrist's mark and thereby losing their salvation (cf. Mark 8:35-36, Revelation 14:9-13).

Also, the Antichrist could falsely say that such a bacteria or virus-outbreak is (in his words) "a plague sent by YHWH to wipe out humanity, which he hates. But Lucifer appeared to me and showed me how to create this life-saving vaccine, for he cares about people" (cf. Mark 8:33b). In fact, Lucifer could have secretly developed the bacteria or virus himself. And he could even bring the vaccine against it down with him and publicly hand it over to the Antichrist when Lucifer and his angels descend to the earth mid-tribulation (Revelation 12:9) to (as they could say) "save mankind from this genocidal plague from YHWH". So people could be deceived into rejecting YHWH and worshipping Lucifer (Satan, the dragon) instead (Revelation 13:4-6, Revelation 12:9).

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