Many Bible Translations destroys unity.

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So I contend that if you are reading a different translation than me, your breed of Christianity will be different from mine.
I doubt if the choice of Bible translation matters all that much as long as they are one of the mainstream translations. The texts they are based on have many differences.

The things all Christians have in common:
  1. Believe Nicene Creed
  2. Accept the canon of scripture
  3. Believe the Trinity
  4. Believe there are spiritual beings both good and bad
  5. Believe sin separates us from God and that Jesus was incarnated, died, and was resurrected to provide a way for us to restore our fellowship with God.
Whenever Christians have differing views outside of this list, we should not be worried about it. I think most of the good translations will support these concepts.
 
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All true believers are members of a church not made with human hands - the Church which is the Body of Christ. This is real unity not dependent on the Bible translation you use. This unity is eternal.
 
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There are slight differences in meaning from translation to translation in every verse. Won't this turn out to change the meaning of the whole Bible from translation to translation? If I change my course by 1 degree every five miles, I will never reach my destination. So I contend that if you are reading a different translation than me, your breed of Christianity will be different from mine. This may indeed be very dangerous for you, if my breed of Christianity is the one, narrow, and ONLY way to eternal life (see Matthew 7:13-14), that would mean your breed of Christianity will take you off course and not bring you into heaven.

And yes I am of the opinion that the KJV is both inspired and inerrant, though I do not intend this to be a KJV-only post, per se.
If your teaching is from a denomination which relies on human understanding, calling a person "Father" or "rabbi" or "pastor", and my teaching is one which relies on asking for the Holy Spirit, then our breeds of ideology are definitely different.

The Holy Spirit tells me the narrow way is to take on the challenge of not depending on the world but depending fully on God or asking for terms of peace. Your narrow way seems to be the wide way. Pay lip service and wait for heaven to be handed to you on a plate.
 
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That is in contradiction to 2 Timothy 3:16. The Bible is written in English through many translations. I contend that everything written is inspired by God and profitable. And what is included in the canon is designated holy scripture, and is especially profitable concerning doctrine, etc. Things written on the subject of how such things as morningstar doctrine, a damnable heresy, are substantiated by non-KJV versions are also written and should be taken into account in our overall estimation of whether we should consider non-KJV versions to be authoritative.

And you would be wrong.
 
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If your teaching is from a denomination which relies on human understanding, calling a person "Father" or "rabbi" or "pastor", and my teaching is one which relies on asking for the Holy Spirit, then our breeds of ideology are definitely different.

The Holy Spirit tells me the narrow way is to take on the challenge of not depending on the world but depending fully on God or asking for terms of peace. Your narrow way seems to be the wide way. Pay lip service and wait for heaven to be handed to you on a plate.
I DO go to a Christian church where the teacher is called a pastor, but the pastor/teacher position only identifies a spiritual gift. See Ephesians 4:11-13. This only supplements, through a spiritual gift given through the Holy Spirit, what the Spirit shows me personally through times of devotion in which I rely on Him heavily to speak to my heart and mind, and also give me insight, understanding, wisdom, revelation, knowledge, and faith. Jesus said, I am the way and the truth and the life; no one comes to the Father except through me. This is the narrow way, entering in through faith in Jesus Christ. The world attempts to enter in by the broad way, attempting to earn it by their works. They expect the treasures of heaven in exchange for shoddy work at best.
 
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All true believers are members of a church not made with human hands - the Church which is the Body of Christ. This is real unity not dependent on the Bible translation you use. This unity is eternal.
Yes indeed. But watch out so you don't end up imbibing poison!
 
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God showed He could protect against all inadequacies and death. Israel saw His great works in Egypt. The Ethiopian eunuch was told that more than 500 people witnessed the resurrection of Jesus. Both asked for baptism, the opportunity to leave serving mammon and join to serve God.

Baptism is a commitment. That's why many people counted the cost before making the promise to serve God unconditionally, so that they would not be ridiculed for starting to build a tower and not being able to complete it:

Acts 5
13But none of the rest dared to associate with them; however, the people held them in high esteem.

Do you think that if the offer of following Christ was cheap it would then result in people being careful to count the cost? That's a simple questioning, analysis, of your cheap grace view.

When baptism led to drinking from the Rock, further revelation of God's ability to protect, Israel sinned in forgetting the great works God did:

Psalms 78King James Bible
11And forgat his works, and his wonders that he had shewed them.

Similarly, Ananias and Sapphira forgot the words of life that freed them from mammon. After baptism they forgot the words of life that showed God could protect even if they gave up all their possessions. They couldn't go back to mammon. People would ridicule them. So before they were found to be tardy, they pretended to give everything up.

Of course you haven't even been called, been told what the offer was, so how would you know, been witness to God's great works? You have to feel uncomfortable in the world, alienated, before you grope for God, seek Him.

Acts 17 KJV
26And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;27That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:28For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
 
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@Wordkeeper,

I am called, chosen, and faithful; and you have three fingers pointing back at you when you say that I am not. See Matthew 7:1-5. A little portion of my testimony: when the Lord revealed Himself to me, it was in overwhelming, waves of liquid love, joy unspeakable and full of glory, and peace that passes understanding. I am not lying but telling you the truth in Christ, my conscience bearing witness in the Holy Ghost.

My view of salvation is certainly not that of cheap grace. The gift of righteousness is free to us (Romans 5:15-17); it cost Jesus everything. Also to be identified with the name of Jesus Christ means persecution (2 Timothy 3:10-12, Galatians 4:21-Galatians 5:1, esp. Galatians 4:28-29). And putting your faith in Him, really doing so, means public identification with His name.
 
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I gave up the garbage of what I used to value in my old life, which is completely worthless to God; He took it from me so He could throw it in the trash. And then He gave unto me every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ! continued from post #469.
 
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@Wordkeeper,

I am called, chosen, and faithful; and you have three fingers pointing back at you when you say that I am not. See Matthew 7:1-5. A little portion of my testimony: when the Lord revealed Himself to me, it was in overwhelming, waves of liquid love, joy unspeakable and full of glory, and peace that passes understanding. I am not lying but telling you the truth in Christ, my conscience bearing witness in the Holy Ghost.

My view of salvation is certainly not that of cheap grace. The gift of righteousness is free to us (Romans 5:15-17); it cost Jesus everything. Also to be identified with the name of Jesus Christ means persecution (2 Timothy 3:10-12, Galatians 4:21-Galatians 5:1, esp. Galatians 4:28-29). And putting your faith in Him, really doing so, means public identification with His name.
You never explained the challenge of the gospel stated in Acts 5:13. It was like a huge mountain blocking the way into the kingdom. Not everybody was ready to pay the cost, their part which Jesus asked them to pony up in return for perfecting of their souls.
 
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I DO go to a Christian church where the teacher is called a pastor, but the pastor/teacher position only identifies a spiritual gift. See Ephesians 4:11-13. This only supplements, through a spiritual gift given through the Holy Spirit, what the Spirit shows me personally through times of devotion in which I rely on Him heavily to speak to my heart and mind, and also give me insight, understanding, wisdom, revelation, knowledge, and faith. Jesus said, I am the way and the truth and the life; no one comes to the Father except through me. This is the narrow way, entering in through faith in Jesus Christ. The world attempts to enter in by the broad way, attempting to earn it by their works. They expect the treasures of heaven in exchange for shoddy work at best.
You are disobeying a clear commandment not to call a person a teacher, because you have only one Teacher, He who is in Heaven. So much eyewash for someone who claims that using the KJV leads to uncontaminated discipleship...
 
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You never explained the challenge of the gospel stated in Acts 5:13. It was like a huge mountain blocking the way into the kingdom. Not everybody was ready to pay the cost, their part which Jesus asked them to pony up in return for perfecting of their souls.
Sure I have. People didn't want to be identified with the name of Jesus Christ because it would mean persecution. Reading comprehension...
 
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You are disobeying a clear commandment not to call a person a teacher, because you have only one Teacher, He who is in Heaven. So much eyewash for someone who claims that using the KJV leads to uncontaminated discipleship...
Again, Ephesians 4:11-13.
 
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Sure I have. People didn't want to be identified with the name of Jesus Christ because it would mean persecution. Reading comprehension…

But it says the new group was held in high esteem:

Acts 5
13But none of the rest dared to associate with them; however, the people held them in high esteem.

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29But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men. 30“The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you had put to death by hanging Him on a cross. 31“He is the one whom God exalted to His right hand as a Prince and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. 32“And we are witnesses of these things; and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey Him.”

33But when they heard this, they were cut to the quick and intended to kill them. 34But a Pharisee named Gamaliel, a teacher of the Law, respected by all the people, stood up in the Council and gave orders to put the men outside for a short time. 35And he said to them, “Men of Israel, take care what you propose to do with these men. 36“For some time ago Theudas rose up, claiming to be somebody, and a group of about four hundred men joined up with him. But he was killed, and all who followed him were dispersed and came to nothing. 37“After this man, Judas of Galilee rose up in the days of the census and drew away some people after him; he too perished, and all those who followed him were scattered. 38“So in the present case, I say to you, stay away from these men and let them alone, for if this plan or action is of men, it will be overthrown; 39but if it is of God, you will not be able to overthrow them; or else you may even be found fighting against God.”

40They took his advice; and after calling the apostles in, they flogged them and ordered them not to speak in the name of Jesus, and then released them. 41So they went on their way from the presence of the Council, rejoicing that they had been considered worthy to suffer shame for His name. 42And every day, in the temple and from house to house, they kept right on teaching and preaching Jesus as the Christ.


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So at the time of the first announcement of the Gospel by the disciples, there was no threat of persecution. You should read the passage again because you have definitely not comprehended.

Again, Ephesians 4:11-13.

The reason you should not call anyone teacher is because you'll have to claim your teaching is superior, and then cite who you're following: Luther, Calvin, etc.

Scriptural teaching is that no doctrine can be quoted, except God's word:

1 Corinthians 3
21So then let no one boast in men. For all things belong to you, 22whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or things present or things to come; all things belong to you, 23and you belong to Christ; and Christ belongs to God.

So your church teaches there is a doctrine of Paul or Apollos or Luther or Calvin.

Scripture teaches there is only a doctrine of God's word.

Which is correct?

Again, your church teaches the best edification comes from the KJV.

Scripture teaches the best edification comes from asking for daily bread.

Which is correct?
 
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the KJV-superior position is not the teaching of my church. I have come to that position because I began my walk with Christ with the KJV, and when I left off from using the KJV, my walk with Christ went downhill. Then, when I returned to the KJV, restoration came on the horizon.

I don't presume to judge the hearts of those who go by a different version. I only know what effect going by a different version had on me.

Being flogged for preaching the word is not persecution? I think that most assuredly, one of us has not comprehended the passage you have laid forth! It also says they intended to kill them. Surely this is not persecution!
 
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the KJV-superior position is not the teaching of my church. I have come to that position because I began my walk with Christ with the KJV, and when I left off from using the KJV, my walk with Christ went downhill. Then, when I returned to the KJV, restoration came on the horizon.

I don't presume to judge the hearts of those who go by a different version. I only know what effect going by a different version had on me.

Being flogged for preaching the word is not persecution? I think that most assuredly, one of us has not comprehended the passage you have laid forth! It also says they intended to kill them. Surely this is not persecution!
The Jews were always arguing. There were different factions. Even when John the Baptist was being persecuted, people, even the Jewish priests rushed to become his disciples. No such rush to join Christ's disciples. The cost was too high. Give up following the world...
 
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Yes, the cost was that they would be persecuted for identifying with the name of Jesus Christ. And I certainly also will not deny, but I affirm with all my heart what it says in 2 Timothy 2:19-b--"Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity."
 
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The Jews were always arguing. There were different factions. Even when John the Baptist was being persecuted, people, even the Jewish priests rushed to become his disciples. No such rush to join Christ's disciples. The cost was too high. Give up following the world...

Good thing us Christians never argue! :doh:
 
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the KJV-superior position is not the teaching of my church. I have come to that position because I began my walk with Christ with the KJV, and when I left off from using the KJV, my walk with Christ went downhill. Then, when I returned to the KJV, restoration came on the horizon.

I don't presume to judge the hearts of those who go by a different version. I only know what effect going by a different version had on me.

Being flogged for preaching the word is not persecution? I think that most assuredly, one of us has not comprehended the passage you have laid forth! It also says they intended to kill them. Surely this is not persecution!

If someone has flogged you maybe you should report it. Flogging is highly illegal nowadays. :D
 
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