Genesis 6:1-4 and Jude 6&7 what do these passages mean? Why should we care?

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Truly a mystery , and we will find out when he who restrains is taken out of the way . but The Anti-christ will be revealed ..
That will be done when God will decide to send an Angel to open the Bottomless Pit ----where the son of perdition [Angel Abaddon] is restrained... Revelation 9 . ...Revelation 9:11 ----Revelation 17:8 ---he shall go into perdition

The thing who will cause that God will not restrain the Anti-Christ/Beast anymore into the Bottomless Pit ,,,will be when the believers will depart massively from the FAITH...That will happen when the things will become to get harder and that mostly all those who believed to be "rapture to Heaven" will realize that they are still on the Earth ,will apostasy ...depart from the Faith.
 
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That will be done when God will decide to send an Angel to open the Bottomless Pit ----where the son of perdition [Angel Abaddon] is restrained... Revelation 9 . ...Revelation 9:11 ----Revelation 17:8 ---he shall go into perdition

The thing who will cause that God will not restrain the Anti-Christ/Beast anymore into the Bottomless Pit ,,,will be when the believers will depart massively from the FAITH...That will happen when the things will become to get harder and that mostly all those who believed to be "rapture to Heaven" will realize that they are still on the Earth ,will apostasy ...
So now you're saying Satan is in hell only .. Ephesians 2:2 ..The devil is god of this world and is not confined to hell, Yet ..
 
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So now you're saying Satan is in hell only .. Ephesians 2:2 ..The devil is god of this world and is not confined to hell, Yet ..
-Satan is still in Heaven with his Angels accusing our brethren until the time when Satan will be cast out of Heaven with his angels Revelation 12:7-11

-Abaddon and the other angels who have participated to Genesis 6:1-4 are locked into the Bottomless Pit Jude
 
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-Satan is still in Heaven accusing our brethren Revelation 12

-Abaddon and the other angels who have participated to Genesis 6:1-4 are locked into the Bottomless Pit Jude
You can believe what you want , so will I . There is a 3rd heaven and I don't believe Satan has access .. Genesis 6:1-3 was God speaking of men
 
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You can believe what you want , so will I . There is a 3rd heaven and I don't believe Satan has access ..

Wrong see Revelation 12:10
Revelation 12
9 And the great dragon was cast down, the old serpent, he that is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world; he was cast down to the earth, and his angels were cast down with him.

10 And I heard a great voice in heaven, saying, Now is come the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, who accuseth them before our God day and night.

Genesis 6:1-3 was God speaking of men
How can you explain than ordinary humans descendant of Cain can give birth to a WHOLE RACE of Giants measuring 9 to 15 feet tall having 12 fingers and 12 toes ..and some of these giants are also described in the Bible as having double row jaws .....Face it -----> The Bible describe something out of the ordinary ...

Here all the BIBLICAL REFERENCE
The Nephilim, or Giants of Gen. 6, &c. - Appendix to the Companion Bible

25. THE NEPHILIM, OR "GIANTS"
Of GEN. 6, &c.


The progeny of the fallen angels with the daughters of Adam (see notes on Gen. 6, and Ap. 23) are called in Gen. 6, Ne-phil-im, which means fallen ones (from naphal, to fall). What these beings were can be gathered only from Scripture. They were evidently great in size, as well as great in wickedness. They were superhuman, abnormal beings; and their destruction was necessary for the preservation of the human race, and for the faithfulness of Jehovah's Word (Gen. 3:15).

This was why the Flood was brought "upon the world of the ungodly" (2Pet. 2:5) as prophesied by Enoch (Jude 14).

But we read of the Nephilim again in Num. 13:33 : "there we saw the Nephilim, the sons of Anak, which come of the Nephilim". How, it may be asked, could this be, if they were all destroyed in the Flood? The answer is contained in Gen. 6:4, where we read : "There were Nephilim in the earth in those days (i.e. in the days of Noah); and also AFTER THAT, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became [the] mighty men (Heb. gibbor, the heroes) which were of old, men of renown" (lit. men of the name, i.e. who got a name and were renowned for their ungodliness).

So that "after that", i.e. after the Flood, there was a second irruption of these fallen angels, evidently smaller in number and more limited in area, for they were for the most part confined to Canaan, and were in fact known as "the nations of Canaan". It was for the destruction of these, that the sword of Israel was necessary, as the Flood had been before.

As to the date of this second irruption, it was evidently soon after it became known that the seed was to come through Abraham; for, when he came out from Haran (Gen. 12:6) and entered Canaan, the significant fact is stated : "The Canaanite was then (i.e. already) in the land." And in Gen. 14:5 they were already known as "Raphain" and Emim", and had established themselves at Asteroth Karnaim and Shaven Kiriathaim.

In ch. 15:18-21 they are enumerated and named among Canaanite Peoples : "Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, and the Amorites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites" (Gen. 15:19-21; cp. Ex. 3:8, 17; 23:23. Deut. 7; 20:17. Josh. 12:8).

These were to be cut off, and driven out, and utterly destroyed (Deut. 20:17. Josh. 3:10). But Israel failed in this (Josh. 13:13; 15:63; 16:10; 17:18. Judg. 1:19, 20, 28, 29, 30-36; 2:1-5; 3:1-7); and we known not how many got away to other countries to escape the general destruction. If this were recognized it would go far to solve many problems connected with Anthropology.

As to their other names, they were called Anakim, from on Anak which came of the Nephilim (Num. 13:23), and Rephaim, from Rapha, another notable one among them. From Deut. 2:10, they were known by some as Emim, and Horim, and Zamzummim (v. 20, 21) and Avim, &c.

As Rephaim they were well known, and are often mentioned : but, unfortunately, instead of this, their proper name, being preserved, it is variously translated as "dead", "deceased", or "giants". TheseRephaim are to have no resurrection. This fact is stated in Isa. 26:14 (where the proper name is rendered "deceased," and v. 19, where it is rendered "the dead"). It is rendered "dead" seven times (Job 26:5. Ps. 88:10. Prov. 2:18; 9:18; 21:16. Isa. 14:8; 26:19). It is rendered "deceased" in Isa. 26:14.

It is retained as a proper name "Rephaim" ten times (two being in the margin). Gen. 14:5; 15:20. Josh. 12:15 (marg.). 2Sam. 5:18, 22; 23:13.& b31 nbsp; 1Chron. 11:15; 14:9; 20:4 (marg.). Isa. 17:5. In all other places it is rendered "giants", Gen. 6:4; Num. 23:33, where it is Nephilim; and Job 16:14, where it is gibbor (Ap. 14. iv). By reading all these passages the Bible student may know all that can be known about these beings.

It is certain that the second irruption took place before Gen. 14, for there the Rephaim were mixed up with the five nations or peoples, which included Sodom and Gomorrha, and were defeated by the four kings under Chedorlaomer. Their principal locality was evidently "Ashtaroth Karnaim"; while the Emimwere in the plain of Kiriathaim (Gen. 14:5).

Anak was a noted descendant of the Nephilim; and Rapha was another, giving their names respectively to different clans. Anak's father was Arba, the original builder of Hebron (Gen. 35:27. Josh. 15:13; 21:11); and this Palestine branch of the Anakim was not called Arbahim after him, but Anakim after Anak. They were great, mighty, and tall (Deut. 2:10, 11, 21, 22, 23; 9:2), evidently inspiring the ten spies with great fear (Num. 13:33). Og king of Bashan is described in Deut. 3:11.

Their strength is seen in "the giant cities of Bashan" to-day; and we know not how far they may have been utilized by Egypt in the construction of buildings, which is still an unsolved problem. Arba was rebuilt by the Khabiri or confederates seven years before Zoan was built by the Egyptian Pharoahs of the nineteenth dynasty. See note on Num. 13:22.

If these Nephilim, and their branch of Rephaim, were associated with Egypt, we have an explanation of the problem which has for ages perplexed all engineers, as to how those huge stones and monuments were brought together. Why not in Egypt as well as in "the giant cities of Bashan" which exist, as such, to this day?

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He had destroyed the Earth because it was saturated with sin to the highest degree. He had a purpose, to warn us of the consequences of sin and that at the end of the story, He will once again destroy the earth and create a new one. "As in the days of Noah, so shall be in the days of the coming of the Son of Man ..."
The problem here is the quote of mine you used was not referring to the time of Noah’s flood but to groups of giants God authorized to be killed after the flood. Men women, children and sometimes even the animals.
 
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When discussing the sovereignty of God there are many variables to consider. Is God in control of His universe? Yes! Does God know the end from the beginning? Yes! Is He aware of the choices we will make in every situation? Yes! Does He make our choices for us? I don’t think so.

Your problem seems to be with my statement “Not supported with scripture. God is sovereign over His creation but does not micro manage every act of evil".

Just look at Matthew chapter 2 and ask some important questions in that context .

1. Did God know what Herod planned for the baby Jesus? Yes He did!

2. Did God make those choices for Herod ? I don’t think so.

3. Was God caught off guard and had to react to Herod ? No, God knew what Herod would do before Herod was even born and God’s overall plan had a way to protect Jesus until Herod died.

4. Prophets had already written Jesus would be in and come back out of Egypt.


Look at the case of Satan’s fall.

1. Was it God’s plan for satan to rebell and cause all of the misery througoiut the ages he has caused? I don’t think so.

2. Did God know ahead of time satan would make the choices he did before he made them? Yes!

3. Scripture tells us Jesus was slain from the foundation of the world. God knew mankind would need a redeemer and He made provision for that before satan chose to rebel.



Sovereignty means He is in control of EVERYTHING. HE ALLOWS EVIL FOR A PURPOSE. So your assumptions purport that God equipped angels to procreate and since He knows the futures also allowed it to happen for what purpose? A lesson for the angels? So God knew they would fall, procreate with women and God is angry for that? "Oh no, they messed up my plan, I'll have to lock them up in chains and destroy all mankind!" Mankind was destroy for it's wickedness to the core.

IMHO it is a mistake to analyze this the way you have. We could ask the same type of questions about the fall in general . God equipped satan with the ability to make the choice to rebel and convice 1/3 of the angels to follow him. For what purpose? A lesson to show the angels God is God? God knew satan would rebel and 1/3 would follow him, Oh no they messed up my perfect world I’ll have to send my Son to straighten this mess out.

I just disagree with your logic here.


So, the argument against angels procreating would be God's sovereignty with His overall perfect plan. It does not allow demons to mess it up or mankind for that matter.

IMHO faulty logic. God’s soverienghty allowed satan to make his choice and 1/3 of the angels to follow him. That did have an effect on God’s perfect creation . Adam and Eve’s choice had an effect on God’s perfect creation. That is just the result of FREEWILL. Satan, fallen angels and demons have been messing with God’s plan for many many years but God had the soloution from the foundation of the world.


Oh, btw, I got a tape by Chuck Misler about 25 years ago entitled, The Return of the Nephilim. He had a view that they would return but would disguise themselves as Aliens. The false belief in aliens from outer space has been propagated throughout our generation and he thought this would be the ultimate deception, that aliens actually put us here and therefore your faith in God or Christ is futile

Yes, and the History channel is pushing the idea aliens from outer space are our creators. Lies in my opinion. Do not be fooled there is a UFO reality, not from outer space in my opinion but real none the less and another topic altogether.
 
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All Genesis 38 is metaphor reference to physical creation between God and Job,
Neither Genesis 38 nor Job 38
Not correct at all , it be more of an analogy comparative
God is speaking of LITERAL things that He has created and done and telling Job that he has no place to complain unless he can do what God has done and do it in a better way than what God did it

It be like a carpenter who designed and built a big house and someone else who has no understanding of blueprints or types of wood or carpentry is complaining about the house and the carpenter responds saying - if you think you can do it better , explain precisely how it should be done and build one so we can see how well he can do it - obviously the person who is not a carpenter does not understand and cannot build a better house that can compare to what the carpenter built
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examples of a metaphor - hope you can see the huge difference

  1. a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable.
    "“I had fallen through a trapdoor of depression,” said Mark, who was fond of theatrical metaphors"
these are metaphors
  • The snow is a white blanket.
  • The hospital was a refrigerator.
  • The classroom was a zoo.
  • America is a melting pot.
  • Her lovely voice was music to his ears.
  • Life is a rollercoaster.
  • The alligator’s teeth are white daggers.
  • Their home was a prison.
  • The slide on the playground was a hot stove.
  • His heart is a cold iron.
  • She is a peacock.
  • He is a shining star.
  • Time is money.
  • My teacher is a dragon.
  • Tom’s eyes were icy.
  • The detective’s face was wooden as he listened
 
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There are a few ways of looking at these scriptures.
Some scholars identify these hybrids as the Nephilim.

Another way of interpreting it is that demons possessed women or implanted Satan's bad spiritual seed in them (as he did to Eve).

Yet another way is that the sons of God are holy and righteous men, while women are not referred to as daughters of God, they are referred to as daughters of men, since they were made out of Adam.

These “holy and righteous men” had to have come from Adam’s line the same as those daughters!

An explanation for these giants is that they are abnormally large men, like Andre the Giant. As we can breed dwarf horses 3 ft. tall, a family of large men like Goliath could be bread as well.

Tell me who would have had the knowledge to breed a family of large men like Goliath?

The thing that cautions me about the Nephilim, is that angels were spiritual beings who could materialize and appear in the image of man, but I doubt God gave them the ability to procreate. Creation, that is ALL life comes from God. He knits us together in the womb and so HE WOULD HAVE HAD TO GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO PROCREATE KNOWING WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO JUST LATER DESTROY MANKIND AND SENTENCE THEM. He knew man would sin, but He had a fix for that. Angels are not redeemable.

That’s why these fallen angels and evils spirits (not the same) are not redeemable. Fallen angels that committed this sin held in chains and evil spirits seeking a body to possess until “the time” of their final disposition. 2 Peter 2:4, Jude 6, Matthew 12:43-45, Matthew 8:31, Matthew 8:29.
 
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The problem here is the quote of mine you used was not referring to the time of Noah’s flood but to groups of giants God authorized to be killed after the flood. Men women, children and sometimes even the animals.
But why, since the introduction to these giants in Gen. 6:4, which happens to be the chapter concerning Noah and the Ark and precedes Chapter 7, THE FLOOD, wouldn't you think that these Nephilim wouldn't be destroyed in the FLOOD - permanently? Noah and his family started civilization AGAIN and so what ... God gives the Nephilim another opportunity?
Life before the Flood was quite different. Most likely the environment had a water canopy, no rain, but a mist went up to water everything. The suns harmful rays were filtered by this canopy. This is supported by Gen. 2:5, 6 where it says "God had not cause it to rain on earth" ..."but a mist went up from the earth and watered the whole face of the ground".) Men lived to be 1000 years old. They had less genetic flaws and so grew very large. Why wouldn't they? There life cycle was multiplied by a factor of 8. It's also interesting that lizards do not stop growing, the older they live, the bigger - as we see with giant turtles. This is why (I think) dinosaurs grew so giant as well, they also lived for centuries. But then God flooded the earth and limited the lifespan of man to 120 years. He could just do that without the effects of environmental changes, but I think the earth changed as well from it's initial state.
So there were giants, giant men, giant dinosaurs and yes they did coexist at this time! Obviously, I'm a YEC. And they were destroyed. But what about after the Flood? Men were descendants from Ham, Shem and Japheth - not Nephilim/demons. Some tribes were large, other small -- that's all. "We were like grasshoppers" or "they were like Cedars" is hyperbole. Great stature, big ... we were intimidated, scared and so the exaggeration. What do people say when they are afraid to war against people. They fear, they don't want to die, so they exaggerate the situation.
"The sluggard says, "there's a lion in the road, a fierce lion in the streets!" Proverbs 26:13 So they were big like Andre or Shack and that is enough to cause fear and exaggerate the situation to detour Moses decision.

But God kills everyone doesn't he? Think about it, He's in charge, is the author of our life and death. Everyone dies and either they receive forgiveness or judgment. Yes God ordered the Israelites to go in and murder all the tribes that occupied the Promise Land because of their wicked evil culture, false gods. I don't think size has anything to do with God's judgment to kill anyone.
 
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Wrong see Revelation 12:10
Revelation 12
9 And the great dragon was cast down, the old serpent, he that is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world; he was cast down to the earth, and his angels were cast down with him.

10 And I heard a great voice in heaven, saying, Now is come the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, who accuseth them before our God day and night.


How can you explain than ordinary humans descendant of Cain can give birth to a WHOLE RACE of Giants measuring 9 to 15 feet tall having 12 fingers and 12 toes ..and some of these giants are also described in the Bible as having double row jaws .....Face it -----> The Bible describe something out of the ordinary ...

Here all the BIBLICAL REFERENCE
The Nephilim, or Giants of Gen. 6, &c. - Appendix to the Companion Bible

25. THE NEPHILIM, OR "GIANTS"
Of GEN. 6, &c.


The progeny of the fallen angels with the daughters of Adam (see notes on Gen. 6, and Ap. 23) are called in Gen. 6, Ne-phil-im, which means fallen ones (from naphal, to fall). What these beings were can be gathered only from Scripture. They were evidently great in size, as well as great in wickedness. They were superhuman, abnormal beings; and their destruction was necessary for the preservation of the human race, and for the faithfulness of Jehovah's Word (Gen. 3:15).

This was why the Flood was brought "upon the world of the ungodly" (2Pet. 2:5) as prophesied by Enoch (Jude 14).

But we read of the Nephilim again in Num. 13:33 : "there we saw the Nephilim, the sons of Anak, which come of the Nephilim". How, it may be asked, could this be, if they were all destroyed in the Flood? The answer is contained in Gen. 6:4, where we read : "There were Nephilim in the earth in those days (i.e. in the days of Noah); and also AFTER THAT, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became [the] mighty men (Heb. gibbor, the heroes) which were of old, men of renown" (lit. men of the name, i.e. who got a name and were renowned for their ungodliness).

So that "after that", i.e. after the Flood, there was a second irruption of these fallen angels, evidently smaller in number and more limited in area, for they were for the most part confined to Canaan, and were in fact known as "the nations of Canaan". It was for the destruction of these, that the sword of Israel was necessary, as the Flood had been before.

As to the date of this second irruption, it was evidently soon after it became known that the seed was to come through Abraham; for, when he came out from Haran (Gen. 12:6) and entered Canaan, the significant fact is stated : "The Canaanite was then (i.e. already) in the land." And in Gen. 14:5 they were already known as "Raphain" and Emim", and had established themselves at Asteroth Karnaim and Shaven Kiriathaim.

In ch. 15:18-21 they are enumerated and named among Canaanite Peoples : "Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, and the Amorites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites" (Gen. 15:19-21; cp. Ex. 3:8, 17; 23:23. Deut. 7; 20:17. Josh. 12:8).

These were to be cut off, and driven out, and utterly destroyed (Deut. 20:17. Josh. 3:10). But Israel failed in this (Josh. 13:13; 15:63; 16:10; 17:18. Judg. 1:19, 20, 28, 29, 30-36; 2:1-5; 3:1-7); and we known not how many got away to other countries to escape the general destruction. If this were recognized it would go far to solve many problems connected with Anthropology.

As to their other names, they were called Anakim, from on Anak which came of the Nephilim (Num. 13:23), and Rephaim, from Rapha, another notable one among them. From Deut. 2:10, they were known by some as Emim, and Horim, and Zamzummim (v. 20, 21) and Avim, &c.

As Rephaim they were well known, and are often mentioned : but, unfortunately, instead of this, their proper name, being preserved, it is variously translated as "dead", "deceased", or "giants". TheseRephaim are to have no resurrection. This fact is stated in Isa. 26:14 (where the proper name is rendered "deceased," and v. 19, where it is rendered "the dead"). It is rendered "dead" seven times (Job 26:5. Ps. 88:10. Prov. 2:18; 9:18; 21:16. Isa. 14:8; 26:19). It is rendered "deceased" in Isa. 26:14.

It is retained as a proper name "Rephaim" ten times (two being in the margin). Gen. 14:5; 15:20. Josh. 12:15 (marg.). 2Sam. 5:18, 22; 23:13.& b31 nbsp; 1Chron. 11:15; 14:9; 20:4 (marg.). Isa. 17:5. In all other places it is rendered "giants", Gen. 6:4; Num. 23:33, where it is Nephilim; and Job 16:14, where it is gibbor (Ap. 14. iv). By reading all these passages the Bible student may know all that can be known about these beings.

It is certain that the second irruption took place before Gen. 14, for there the Rephaim were mixed up with the five nations or peoples, which included Sodom and Gomorrha, and were defeated by the four kings under Chedorlaomer. Their principal locality was evidently "Ashtaroth Karnaim"; while the Emimwere in the plain of Kiriathaim (Gen. 14:5).

Anak was a noted descendant of the Nephilim; and Rapha was another, giving their names respectively to different clans. Anak's father was Arba, the original builder of Hebron (Gen. 35:27. Josh. 15:13; 21:11); and this Palestine branch of the Anakim was not called Arbahim after him, but Anakim after Anak. They were great, mighty, and tall (Deut. 2:10, 11, 21, 22, 23; 9:2), evidently inspiring the ten spies with great fear (Num. 13:33). Og king of Bashan is described in Deut. 3:11.

Their strength is seen in "the giant cities of Bashan" to-day; and we know not how far they may have been utilized by Egypt in the construction of buildings, which is still an unsolved problem. Arba was rebuilt by the Khabiri or confederates seven years before Zoan was built by the Egyptian Pharoahs of the nineteenth dynasty. See note on Num. 13:22.

If these Nephilim, and their branch of Rephaim, were associated with Egypt, we have an explanation of the problem which has for ages perplexed all engineers, as to how those huge stones and monuments were brought together. Why not in Egypt as well as in "the giant cities of Bashan" which exist, as such, to this day?

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Sons of God = men , before the flood, after the flood .. Samson, David his mighty men, Goliath, John Wayne ^_^ Some giants , some men of renown .. You need to learn to distinguish between Jewish fables and the truth God is you want to continue on . You can use outside sources to aid the Word of God but you can't to change it .. You are content with your belief and you will be on the wrong road drawing further away imo if you're not grounded in the Word and I know you agree .. One final, If fallen angels could mate with women it would still be going on today unless you think they operate on an honor code ..I've addressed just about everything including in this thread including the Coral Castle reference to impossible ancient building ..

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But why, since the introduction to these giants in Gen. 6:4, which happens to be the chapter concerning Noah and the Ark and precedes Chapter 7, THE FLOOD, wouldn't you think that these Nephilim wouldn't be destroyed in the FLOOD - permanently? Noah and his family started civilization AGAIN and so what ... God gives the Nephilim another opportunity?
Life before the Flood was quite different. Most likely the environment had a water canopy, no rain, but a mist went up to water everything. The suns harmful rays were filtered by this canopy. This is supported by Gen. 2:5, 6 where it says "God had not cause it to rain on earth" ..."but a mist went up from the earth and watered the whole face of the ground".) Men lived to be 1000 years old. They had less genetic flaws and so grew very large. Why wouldn't they? There life cycle was multiplied by a factor of 8. It's also interesting that lizards do not stop growing, the older they live, the bigger - as we see with giant turtles. This is why (I think) dinosaurs grew so giant as well, they also lived for centuries. But then God flooded the earth and limited the lifespan of man to 120 years. He could just do that without the effects of environmental changes, but I think the earth changed as well from it's initial state.
So there were giants, giant men, giant dinosaurs and yes they did coexist at this time! Obviously, I'm a YEC. And they were destroyed. But what about after the Flood? Men were descendants from Ham, Shem and Japheth - not Nephilim/demons. Some tribes were large, other small -- that's all. "We were like grasshoppers" or "they were like Cedars" is hyperbole. Great stature, big ... we were intimidated, scared and so the exaggeration. What do people say when they are afraid to war against people. They fear, they don't want to die, so they exaggerate the situation.
"The sluggard says, "there's a lion in the road, a fierce lion in the streets!" Proverbs 26:13 So they were big like Andre or Shack and that is enough to cause fear and exaggerate the situation to detour Moses decision.

But God kills everyone doesn't he? Think about it, He's in charge, is the author of our life and death. Everyone dies and either they receive forgiveness or judgment. Yes God ordered the Israelites to go in and murder all the tribes that occupied the Promise Land because of their wicked evil culture, false gods. I don't think size has anything to do with God's judgment to kill anyone.
Genesis 7:22-23
 
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Genesis 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.



Jude 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.


They are terse pieces of information whose detail have been compiled in other books deemed apocryphal.

The reality is Genesis 6; the consequences are Jude 6.

If people understood what those entities in Genesis 6 were, they they would understand why a loving God would allegedly order "such atrocities against" the Philistines, for example. If you accept what those entities were, then you will understand God was actually incredibly merciful to the Philistines.

It was GENOSide, but the GENOS were not human. Not completely, at least.
 
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But why, since the introduction to these giants in Gen. 6:4, which happens to be the chapter concerning Noah and the Ark and precedes Chapter 7, THE FLOOD, wouldn't you think that these Nephilim wouldn't be destroyed in the FLOOD - permanently? Noah and his family started civilization AGAIN and so what ... God gives the Nephilim another opportunity?
The Bible talk about the Nephilim also AFTER the Flood ....See Numbers 13:33 and other reference listed below ...the only explanation is another irruption of Fallen Angels procreating with humans women wich given birt to a WHOLE RACE of Giants measuring 9 to 15 feet tall ----some are described as having twelve fingers and twelve toes ...some described as having double row jaws ....obviously they were not looking like Andre the Giant.

But we read of the Nephilim again in Num. 13:33 : "there we saw the Nephilim, the sons of Anak, which come of the Nephilim". How, it may be asked, could this be, if they were all destroyed in the Flood? The answer is contained in Gen. 6:4, where we read : "There were Nephilim in the earth in those days (i.e. in the days of Noah); and also AFTER THAT, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became [the] mighty men (Heb. gibbor, the heroes) which were of old, men of renown" (lit. men of the name, i.e. who got a name and were renowned for their ungodliness).

So that "after that", i.e. after the Flood, there was a second irruption of these fallen angels, evidently smaller in number and more limited in area, for they were for the most part confined to Canaan, and were in fact known as "the nations of Canaan". It was for the destruction of these, that the sword of Israel was necessary, as the Flood had been before.

As to the date of this second irruption, it was evidently soon after it became known that the seed was to come through Abraham; for, when he came out from Haran (Gen. 12:6) and entered Canaan, the significant fact is stated : "The Canaanite was then (i.e. already) in the land." And in Gen. 14:5 they were already known as "Raphain" and Emim", and had established themselves at Asteroth Karnaim and Shaven Kiriathaim.

In ch. 15:18-21 they are enumerated and named among Canaanite Peoples : "Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, and the Amorites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites" (Gen. 15:19-21; cp. Ex. 3:8, 17; 23:23. Deut. 7; 20:17. Josh. 12:8).

These were to be cut off, and driven out, and utterly destroyed (Deut. 20:17. Josh. 3:10). But Israel failed in this (Josh. 13:13; 15:63; 16:10; 17:18. Judg. 1:19, 20, 28, 29, 30-36; 2:1-5; 3:1-7); and we known not how many got away to other countries to escape the general destruction. If this were recognized it would go far to solve many problems connected with Anthropology.

As to their other names, they were called Anakim, from on Anak which came of the Nephilim (Num. 13:23), and Rephaim, from Rapha, another notable one among them. From Deut. 2:10, they were known by some as Emim, and Horim, and Zamzummim (v. 20, 21) and Avim, &c.

As Rephaim they were well known, and are often mentioned : but, unfortunately, instead of this, their proper name, being preserved, it is variously translated as "dead", "deceased", or "giants". TheseRephaim are to have no resurrection. This fact is stated in Isa. 26:14 (where the proper name is rendered "deceased," and v. 19, where it is rendered "the dead"). It is rendered "dead" seven times (Job 26:5. Ps. 88:10. Prov. 2:18; 9:18; 21:16. Isa. 14:8; 26:19). It is rendered "deceased" in Isa. 26:14.

It is retained as a proper name "Rephaim" ten times (two being in the margin). Gen. 14:5; 15:20. Josh. 12:15 (marg.). 2Sam. 5:18, 22; 23:13.& b31 nbsp; 1Chron. 11:15; 14:9; 20:4 (marg.). Isa. 17:5. In all other places it is rendered "giants", Gen. 6:4; Num. 23:33, where it is Nephilim; and Job 16:14, where it is gibbor (Ap. 14. iv). By reading all these passages the Bible student may know all that can be known about these beings.

It is certain that the second irruption took place before Gen. 14, for there the Rephaim were mixed up with the five nations or peoples, which included Sodom and Gomorrha, and were defeated by the four kings under Chedorlaomer. Their principal locality was evidently "Ashtaroth Karnaim"; while the Emimwere in the plain of Kiriathaim (Gen. 14:5).

Anak was a noted descendant of the Nephilim; and Rapha was another, giving their names respectively to different clans. Anak's father was Arba, the original builder of Hebron (Gen. 35:27. Josh. 15:13; 21:11); and this Palestine branch of the Anakim was not called Arbahim after him, but Anakim after Anak. They were great, mighty, and tall (Deut. 2:10, 11, 21, 22, 23; 9:2), evidently inspiring the ten spies with great fear (Num. 13:33). Og king of Bashan is described in Deut. 3:11.

Their strength is seen in "the giant cities of Bashan" to-day; and we know not how far they may have been utilized by Egypt in the construction of buildings, which is still an unsolved problem. Arba was rebuilt by the Khabiri or confederates seven years before Zoan was built by the Egyptian Pharoahs of the nineteenth dynasty. See note on Num. 13:22.

If these Nephilim, and their branch of Rephaim, were associated with Egypt, we have an explanation of the problem which has for ages perplexed all engineers, as to how those huge stones and monuments were brought together. Why not in Egypt as well as in "the giant cities of Bashan" which exist, as such, to this day?
 
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They are terse pieces of information whose detail have been compiled in other books deemed apocryphal.

The reality is Genesis 6; the consequences are Jude 6.

If people understood what those entities in Genesis 6 were, they they would understand why a loving God would allegedly order "such atrocities against" the Philistines, for example. If you accept what those entities were, then you will understand God was actually incredibly merciful to the Philistines.

It was GENOSide, but the GENOS were not human. Not completely, at least.
Yet the End time will be worse than at any time Matthew 24:21 .. Only men becoming more evil like preflood
 
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Sons of God = men , before the flood, after the flood .. Samson, David his mighty men, Goliath, John Wayne ^_^ Some giants , some men of renown .. You need to learn to distinguish between Jewish fables and the truth God is you want to continue on . You can use outside sources to aid the Word of God but you can't to change it .. You are content with your belief and you will be on the wrong road drawing further away imo if you're not grounded in the Word and I know you agree .. One final, If fallen angels could mate with women it would still be going on today unless you think they operate on an honor code ..I've addressed just about everything including in this thread including the Coral Castle reference to impossible ancient building ..

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Are you saying that the people on the pic ARE GIANTS ?
Check the description of the King of Bashan described in the Bilble...

Numbers 13:33 talk about the Nephilim AFTER the flood
In Genesis 15:18-21 they are enumerated and named among Canaanite Peoples : "Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, and the Amorites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites" (Gen. 15:19-21; cp. Ex. 3:8, 17; 23:23. Deut. 7; 20:17. Josh. 12:8).
 
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Yet the End time will be worse than at any time Matthew 24:21 .. Only men becoming more evil like preflood

And the return of those entities - that is why it will be like the days of Noah.

Those entities in Genesis 6 are not the sons of Seth, because Seth is a son of man.
 
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Sons of God = men , before the flood, after the flood .. Samson, David his mighty men, Goliath, John Wayne ^_^ Some giants , some men of renown .. You need to learn to distinguish between Jewish fables and the truth God is you want to continue on . You can use outside sources to aid the Word of God but you can't to change it .. You are content with your belief and you will be on the wrong road drawing further away imo if you're not grounded in the Word and I know you agree .. One final, If fallen angels could mate with women it would still be going on today unless you think they operate on an honor code ..I've addressed just about everything including in this thread including the Coral Castle reference to impossible ancient building ..

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Are you saying that those on the picture are GIANTS ?The Bible literally talk about a WHOLE RACE OF GIANTS measuring 9 to 15 FEET TALL some are described in the Bible as having DOUBLE ROW JAWS ....

Numbers 13:33 talk about the Nephilim AFTER the flood
In Genesis 15:18-21 they are enumerated and named among Canaanite Peoples : "Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, and the Amorites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites" (Gen. 15:19-21; cp. Ex. 3:8, 17; 23:23. Deut. 7; 20:17. Josh. 12:8).
 
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