Would someone like to help me with my biblestudy verses? Help

thewayforme said:

I read it, honest, but these books, chapters, and verses are always hard for me. But I'll be meeting with other ladies tonight at a biblestudy and planned on reading a couple of commentaries today, but hey, I remembered I now have christians online that can give me input

So here are the verses that I need to really get a good understanding of, or the best I can anyway. I will pray over this post, and ask God to help me through His Holy Spirit to understand what He would have me learn. Then I do hope to hear from any of you that have the time I do understand "why" God's instructions for sacrifice were given, and how sin requires the blood for forgiveness. I'm just putting it in my own words so feel free to explain sacrifice differently than I just did.

My main question is why so much sacrifice, and over and over for so many days. I also notice how the "number" of bulls were less and less for a time. Anyway, I will just post the verses from the book of Numbers:

Ok, that's a lot of verses, so I'm just going to post "which" verses I read. This is evidently a chronological reading of the bible in one year.

Numbers 28:16 (NKJV)

Numbers 29:1 (NKJV)

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Those verses reminds me of my study on the Chronology of the Passion Week:

My New Chronology on the Passion Week

I think it is always best to focus on Jesus when looking at all verses.
Why? Well, Jesus says,

"Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." (John 5:39).

I hope this helps;
And may God bless you and your Bible study group greatly.

thewayforme said:

Yes, I looked again and the reading will be chronologically, which I had to look up to see that is means "in order of occurrence"

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Pray and study the Word of God. and as you do God will begin to reveal things to you.
Do not get discouraged and remember that "noone" has ALL the answers except God Himself. I am happy to see that you are doing a bible study with the other ladies and I pray that all of you grow in the knowledge and wisdom of Christ.
Always make sure everything said lines up with the scriptures, and do not let evil enter into your hearts as the devil will try to discourage you from future growth. Tell him to get behind you in the name of Jesus and go forth in the knowledge that Jesus loves you so much that He suffered the Cross for you personally

thewayforme said:

I read it, honest, but these books, chapters, and verses are always hard for me. But I'll be meeting with other ladies tonight at a biblestudy and planned on reading a couple of commentaries today, but hey, I remembered I now have christians online that can give me input

So here are the verses that I need to really get a good understanding of, or the best I can anyway. I will pray over this post, and ask God to help me through His Holy Spirit to understand what He would have me learn. Then I do hope to hear from any of you that have the time I do understand "why" God's instructions for sacrifice were given, and how sin requires the blood for forgiveness. I'm just putting it in my own words so feel free to explain sacrifice differently than I just did.

My main question is why so much sacrifice, and over and over for so many days. I also notice how the "number" of bulls were less and less for a time. Anyway, I will just post the verses from the book of Numbers:

Ok, that's a lot of verses, so I'm just going to post "which" verses I read. This is evidently a chronological reading of the bible in one year.

Numbers 28:16 (NKJV)

Numbers 29:1 (NKJV)

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Hebrews 10.1-14:

"For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified."

What a glorious contrast between Old and New Testaments!

Southernscotty said:

Pray and study the Word of God. and as you do God will begin to reveal things to you.
Do not get discouraged and remember that "noone" has ALL the answers except God Himself. I am happy to see that you are doing a bible study with the other ladies and I pray that all of you grow in the knowledge and wisdom of Christ.

Always make sure everything said lines up with the scriptures, and do not let evil enter into your hearts as the devil will try to discourage you from future growth. Tell him to get behind you in the name of Jesus and go forth in the knowledge that Jesus loves you so much that He suffered the Cross for you personally

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Yes, good to persevere prayerfully in the Scriptures!

thewayforme said:

I read it, honest, but these books, chapters, and verses are always hard for me. But I'll be meeting with other ladies tonight at a biblestudy and planned on reading a couple of commentaries today, but hey, I remembered I now have christians online that can give me input

So here are the verses that I need to really get a good understanding of, or the best I can anyway. I will pray over this post, and ask God to help me through His Holy Spirit to understand what He would have me learn. Then I do hope to hear from any of you that have the time I do understand "why" God's instructions for sacrifice were given, and how sin requires the blood for forgiveness. I'm just putting it in my own words so feel free to explain sacrifice differently than I just did.

My main question is why so much sacrifice, and over and over for so many days. I also notice how the "number" of bulls were less and less for a time. Anyway, I will just post the verses from the book of Numbers:

Ok, that's a lot of verses, so I'm just going to post "which" verses I read. This is evidently a chronological reading of the bible in one year.

Numbers 28:16 (NKJV)

Numbers 29:1 (NKJV)

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The excellent answer in post #6 above, and I'd offer the clear and accurate NIV version of it as helpful:

Hebrews 10 NIV

But there are deeper questions about why even sacrifices happened at all, of course....

I'm going to offer an answer from my own viewpoint, and I don't think our viewpoints/guesses about this (as I've read elsewhere in various times) are necessarily correct, about the deep question of why were there sacrifices at all (in the most basic sense), so it's like an educated guess at best to try to answer (at least from me), and I view other views as like educated guesses also.

First, I think (having read Numbers and also Genesis and Exodus and Deuteronomy in the last 2 years) that it is not possible to understand more deeply such sections except to come upon them having been reading through the entire book (or here the first 5 books) from chapter 1 verse 1, because of how that more complete reading helps frame the situation better.

The peoples (not only Israel, but all the nations) wanted to sacrifice -- it was their way to try to reconcile.

Even so much that all the people of the Middle East were already doing sacrifices, and that would mean usually for the various nations/cities: human sacrifice, which God said was "even" the worst of all the different abominations God hates that those peoples were doing:

Deuteronomy 12:31 You shall not worship the LORD your God in that way, for every abominable thing that the LORD hates they have done for their gods, for they even burn their sons and their daughters in the fire to their gods.

So, since people used sacrifice as their way of reconciling themselves (they hoped) to their concept of God (whether the real (Israel and some individuals in other nations at times) or the (usually) false concept various peoples had)...then making the sacrifice to be animal sacrifices is a very, very good step to ending once and for all human sacrifice, the great and profound evil God named as "even" the worse abomination of all.

How necessary was this? Very. We see that even with this clear law from God directing them to animal sacrifice, that later in time many in Israel would end up worshiping idols and doing human sacrifice, the great evil! When this came (later), God had to punish Israel in great severity, with great slaughter by the sword, and enslavement, to help end that choice to worship idols and do human sacrifice.

thewayforme said:

Ok, I read it and it is a reminder, because we need to remember, and not become complacent. I know for myself, that is what happens, exactly. I just forget if I am not reminded by things like reading the Word, prayer, and being with other christians. It's so plain to see in the stories of that tell of the great miracles God did when Moses was getting the Israelites out of Egypt, but even after such miracles, they would forget, or just never be totally trusting in God.

I could never figure that out until I realized I am the same way.

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Just goes to show the value of daily reading and meditating in the Word, with prayer!

...animal sacrifices were commanded by God so that the individual could experience forgiveness of sin. The animal served as a substitute—that is, the animal died in place of the sinner, but only temporarily, which is why the sacrifices needed to be offered over and over.

If you'd like to read the rest, this was taken from a short article concerning OT animal sacrifice here: Why did God require animal sacrifices in the Old Testament?

St_Worm2 said:

...animal sacrifices were commanded by God so that the individual could experience forgiveness of sin. The animal served as a substitute—that is, the animal died in place of the sinner, but only temporarily, which is why the sacrifices needed to be offered over and over.

If you'd like to read the rest, this was taken from a short article concerning OT animal sacrifice here: Why did God require animal sacrifices in the Old Testament?

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It is a powerful representation of the consequences of sin. And the scape goat they would send out, another. This does help fill in a piece of the why. It leaves a deeper question, but we do realize we can't know all whys, as pointed out to us in Isaiah chapter 55.

Two things we overlook is (1) animals were looked upon as "wealth". Some of those people were giving up a fairly substantial portion of what they owned, and (2) animals were the actual food on their tables. Again, some of them were going hungry when they gave up an animal that might have fed their families for several months.

"Sacrifice" wasn't just an act of worship for many of them, but, rather, a true representation of the value of the Word of God to them.

thewayforme said:

I read it, honest, but these books, chapters, and verses are always hard for me. But I'll be meeting with other ladies tonight at a biblestudy and planned on reading a couple of commentaries today, but hey, I remembered I now have christians online that can give me input

So here are the verses that I need to really get a good understanding of, or the best I can anyway. I will pray over this post, and ask God to help me through His Holy Spirit to understand what He would have me learn. Then I do hope to hear from any of you that have the time I do understand "why" God's instructions for sacrifice were given, and how sin requires the blood for forgiveness. I'm just putting it in my own words so feel free to explain sacrifice differently than I just did.

My main question is why so much sacrifice, and over and over for so many days. I also notice how the "number" of bulls were less and less for a time. Anyway, I will just post the verses from the book of Numbers:

Ok, that's a lot of verses, so I'm just going to post "which" verses I read. This is evidently a chronological reading of the bible in one year.

Numbers 28:16 (NKJV)

Numbers 29:1 (NKJV)

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Another useful insight about the rituals in Numbers we came to was in our Bible study group was when some asked:

'Why so much ritual?' (about the very elaborate rituals)

And we realized at some point that the why was because it helped the people focus on God, which they desperately needed, and which they showed over and over their failures to do, failures to believe, failures to keep even the simple 10 commandments. All this ritual helped them greatly in realizing the truth of a Holy God and keep their focus on Him -- as we ourselves are to remain focused on God and Christ.

Their sins were significant, and much was needed to aid them.

I also think livestock back then were a form of wealth, per se.

So to sacrifice their best breeding livestock was a sacrifice and it probably would have meant something significant and been a financial sacrifice for them to them have to sacrifice it to God.

It was a financial blow as well as a ritual.

thewayforme said:

There's so much I want to know, but I realize that it is not God's will for me to know it all

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True for us all Then again, our loving Heavenly Father has made sure that as His children, we know all that we need to know and/or can understand


Yours and His,
David

thewayforme said:

Ok, I read it and it is a reminder, because we need to remember, and not become complacent. I know for myself, that is what happens, exactly. I just forget if I am not reminded by things like reading the Word, prayer, and being with other christians. It's so plain to see in the stories of that tell of the great miracles God did when Moses was getting the Israelites out of Egypt, but even after such miracles, they would forget, or just never be totally trusting in God.

I could never figure that out until I realized I am the same way.

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Most of us I think do this

thewayforme said:

I know that the sacrifices were done to atone for sin in the Old Testament

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In Post #6, Farouk gave scripture which I thought of. It shows how doing all those sacrifices never really made the sins go away. We all have needed for Jesus to make the sacrifice right; He got it right, the first time, so He did not have to go through it all, again and again and again.

thewayforme said:

and there was the time when Abraham was asked to sacrifice his son Isaac.

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Abraham did it right, the first time; so God was satisfied, plus He tells Abraham how his obedience will get "all the nations of the earth" "blessed", because Abraham obeyed God.

This can be an object lesson for us > if we make the sacrifices which God has us making, His way, our sacrifices will not only help the people who are the target of our sacrificing in our lives, but our obedient sacrifices can get many other blessed, too, however God has this working ! ! !

This can be an object lesson for us, possibly, too. We can make big sacrifices and think we are doing it for God and in love for others. But it is possible we do not really do it with God; and so we do not have "rest for your souls" (Matthew 11:28-30) in how we do our sacrificing. We need to submit to God and trust Him to guide what we do and how we do it, with Him in His peace (Colossians 3:15) and His creativity.

I understand that blood sacrifices were poetic prophecies of how Jesus would be sacrificed for our sins.

A sacrifice was a representation of how God desires to give of His own self to us. Part of all Jesus was doing on the cross, then, could be He was showing us how God wants to give of His own self to us . . . like how Jesus gave His own blood, God gives us His own Holy Spirit of His own love >

"Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who as given to us." (Romans 5:5)

And He is our example > Ephesians 5:1-2.

God bless you, too (c:
Bill