White House calls for bringing an end to special counsel investigation

Speedwell said:

Which proves the point I just made. Could it be Trump's efforts to make the investigation all about him is not an indication of guilt, but a way of trivializing and blunting Mueller's real work?

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Well we won't know that until it's completed. We have come up with some interesting stuff in the investigation, such as Clinton's involvement in the Russian fake dossier and how it was uses to obtain a FISA warrant to spy on the Trump campaign.

I don't know why Trump wants it to stop. He always does make it about him. Although I think that IS why the investigation started. They wanted to find out if Trump colluded with the Russians, but so far they haven't found a thing.

I say let this thing play out.

People pulling a hard no true scotsman fallacy on Muller here.

super animator said:

People pulling a hard no true scotsman fallacy on Muller here.

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Well, I'm pretty sure the term they'd normally apply to him has been banned, so it requires extra work.

I'm shocked.

rjs330 said:

Well we won't know that until it's completed. We have come up with some interesting stuff in the investigation, such as Clinton's involvement in the Russian fake dossier and how it was uses to obtain a FISA warrant to spy on the Trump campaign.

I don't know why Trump wants it to stop. He always does make it about him. Although I think that IS why the investigation started. They wanted to find out if Trump colluded with the Russians, but so far they haven't found a thing.

I say let this thing play out.

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Are you kidding? Nobody with any sense thinks Trump colluded with the Russians. Putin is too smart to conspire with a loose cannon like our Donald. If there is anything, it is more likely a shady financial deal that Putin can hold over Trump's head.

What concerns me more is how willing the Christian Right is willing to overlook credible allegations of Russian meddling in our elections in order to paint the Mueller investigation as nothing but a Secular Humanist conspiracy to "get" Trump.

Rion said:

Well, I'm pretty sure the term they'd normally apply to him has been banned, so it requires extra work.

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No kidding. The lack of self awareness is easily noticed here.

Speedwell said:

And a minion of the Secular Humanist Conspiracy, no doubt, reporting directly to George Soros.

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If you think so.

What I was saying was that he is the darling of the likes of Schumer, Durbin, and other Dem leaders who worked to get all the Democrats in the Senate to back Mueller--and that was before he was tapped by Obama and even longer before the calls for a special prosecutor.

Which party preference these people at that level name when they go to register to vote doesn't mean much of anything. For a number of reasons, it is common to say that you are a Republican when you are a Democrat voter.

Albion said:

If you think so.

What I was saying was that he is the darling of the likes of Schumer, Durbin, and other Dem leaders who worked to get all the Democrats in the Senate to back Mueller--and that was before he was tapped by Obama and even longer before the calls for a special prosecutor.

Which party preference these people name when they go to register to vote doesn't mean much of anything. For a number of reasons, it is common to say that you are a Republican when you are a Democrat.

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I would never say such a thing, not any more. I used to be a Republican back before they got religion. But I certainly would not want to be taken for a Republican these days.

I can understand that, Speedwell, but it has nothing to do with Mueller anyway..

NightHawkeye said:

It seems worth mentioning that many vocal Republican politicians publicly supported Hillary instead of Trump.

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That is simply because they view him as unfit for president. Not everything has to do with party.

wing2000 said:

Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), a member of the House Intelligence Committee, warned Trump that any interference in the Mueller probe would result in “a very, very long, bad 2018.”

“If you have an innocent client, Mr. Dowd, act like it,” Gowdy said on “Fox News Sunday.” “Russia attacked our country. Let special counsel Mueller figure that out.”

.... “If you’ve done nothing wrong, you should want the investigation to be as fulsome and thorough as possible.”

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Completely agree - let it run it's course, when finished no one can logically point a finger. Oh, they will, but not logically.

Albion said:

Not with them favoring freedom of religion, no. I can understand that.

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LOL! You can't tell me they are in favor of religious freedom. I've lived in the Bible Belt. I know better.

Of course it does.

super animator said:

That is simply because they view him as unfit for president. Not everything has to do with party.

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...which is another reason not to think of Mueller as a Republican when he is a Democrat, and thought of as such by the Democrats, by every other standard. Party labels are much less meaningful than what these people actually do in the swamp.

Speedwell said:

Are you kidding? Nobody with any sense thinks Trump colluded with the Russians. Putin is too smart to conspire with a loose cannon like our Donald. If there is anything, it is more likely a shady financial deal that Putin can hold over Trump's head.

What concerns me more is how willing the Christian Right is willing to overlook credible allegations of Russian meddling in our elections in order to paint the Mueller investigation as nothing but a Secular Humanist conspiracy to "get" Trump.

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Well I think the "Secular Humanist" part is going a bit far. I do think there is a concerted effort to get Trump from the Republicans and the democrats. I don't think either side of the aisle likes him. Particularly the old guard. I have never seen anything like this. The press, the Republicans the democrats are all working in concert to do everything they can to wreck this man. It's not a conspiracy and I don't think they are meeting in back smokey rooms. It's not a collusion. It's just they all want the same thing, probably for different reasons.

That being said Trump isn't helping himself with all his tweets and stuff. He needs to just be quiet. But he won't because that's not him. I don't like his demeanor. I don't like a lit of things he has said and done. But it can't be denied that he has been under assault from the day he took office from all sides.

And so far nothing has come up to show he has done anything wrong.

I like some if what he has gotten accomplished, disliked a bunch if his ideas and really disliked his demeanor and what he says on Twitter.