Husband Calls me "Useless" because I don't pack his work lunch!

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Hi, whilst I respect your advice in a marriage just under tension it sounds like there is systematic abuse going on here. Hopefully it isn't but it sure looks like it.

Calling for someone to submit more during that is dangerous for both of them. It is also enabling the husband to continue sinning.

I do not know what to suggest to her but calling for more effort to submit doesn't solve abusive situations. Online there is plenty of evidence to back that up.

One such article, there are many saying the same things, from different denominations.
Wife Abuse: The Tragic Misconception of Submission

Exactly. Submission to an abusive husband is how women end up killed, or even men in some cases to abusive wives. Not that I agree with submission much in the first place. If I make a life long commitment I expect to be treated as an equal.
 
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Exactly. Submission to an abusive husband is how women end up killed, or even men in some cases to abusive wives. Not that I agree with submission much in the first place. If I make a life long commitment I expect to be treated as an equal.
I listened to a talk on submission today at our Church conference. Well it was about women's ministry but it started off about submission.

The lady was saying how we are equal but different. She likened the picture of submission to the Trinity. God the Father is God. Jesus is equally God, and so the Holy Spirit is too. It isn't a power struggle or dominatory.

In the Bible it says we are to mutually submit to each other in a marriage Ephesians 5. It isn't a forced submission, the woman chooses to, and the man is supposed to care for her, self sacrificingly like Christ did for the Church. No man or women will get that right all the time.

God created Eve to be a helper but both were to rule over the animals. I think it is a beautiful picture and nothing like what a lot of us imagine after seeing warped mans imitation of it sometimes.

It is very different to the type of submission a controlling, abusive man needs to try to get in order to feel the way he wants.
 
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Marriage is a two way street - just like any relationship in our lifetime, it takes sacrifice and trust and understanding.

To assume a hierarchy in a marriage - the most intimate, beautiful and reciprocal relationship outside of that we have with God - is absolutely abhorrent in my opinion.

I would never ever treat my wife with such disregard and selfishness. My principles wouldn't allow it, and the love I have for her wouldn't either. It wouldn't just be out of duty or expectation, it would be out of the explicit love and respect I have for her. She's my other half, in every sense.

To even presume God would look at such a relationship and validate it is reprehensible in my eyes.
 
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2 weeks in a row. What I thought should be family time out on weekends was him just shaming and lecturing me in the car and I having to calm baby down on a pointless trip out that led to nothing pleasurable for anyone to begin with.

Yes, I have a baby about 3.5 months old and husband seems to think I have to cook every single meal every single day, and he blames me if he is "hungry" at work (He works downtown with a food court right below!). Meanwhile I struggle just to feed myself.
Also now that he realized child benefits is in my name, he refuses to pay for even the groceries (he makes $200 he seems to boast, and says I benefit by using the furniture he bought before such as our bed, dressers etc (That he chose most of the time)
Hello minoa. this may have been explained later down in the thread, but what do you mean when you say “the child benefits” are in your name?
Where I live we have Temporary Assistance For Needy Families (TANF). I’m thinking that’s the sort of thing you mean by “child benefits”. In which case he is being so petty by refusing to buy anything for his own family because those benefits are in your name.
 
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2 weeks in a row. What I thought should be family time out on weekends was him just shaming and lecturing me in the car and I having to calm baby down on a pointless trip out that led to nothing pleasurable for anyone to begin with.

Yes, I have a baby about 3.5 months old and husband seems to think I have to cook every single meal every single day, and he blames me if he is "hungry" at work (He works downtown with a food court right below!). Meanwhile I struggle just to feed myself.
Also now that he realized child benefits is in my name, he refuses to pay for even the groceries (he makes $200 he seems to boast, and says I benefit by using the furniture he bought before such as our bed, dressers etc (That he chose most of the time)
Lot of comments on do this and do that, get counseling tc etc.
Did you know that men can suffer from post natal stress?.
We just had a baby 3 weeks ago and she was born premature at 37 weeks. It was very hard on my partner and it shook me up too. My point is that I suffered post natal. Of course she is very tired and managing high blood pressure due to the pregnancy and trying to be a mother and look after 2 other kids so there is very little time for us so to speak.
My point is that some men tend to get jealous when the new born has arrived because they get between husband and wife time. Having a baby is not all rosey in the garden, quiet the opposite.
My advice is that you ask him for an hour together when baby is asleep and tell him that you love him. Hold his hand look him in the eyes and tell him that it’s hard at the moment because there is so much you are doing which leaves little time for us. Ask him to be your man and stop getting upset because of stupid things like work lunch.
Ask him to pull his weight in your time of need and reassure him that when the child is a little older that ye will make it yer buisness to spend quality time together.

I believe the guy is acting childish because he wants attention. Speaking the truth about the reality of having a relatively new born and showing him that you still love and care for him but your time is taking up with baby, and asking him to take care of himself for a wee while should see the behaviour stop. Sometimes man don’t need action to feel secure, just a reassuring word that you still love him is sufficient enough.
Hope this helps and best of luck with the newborn
 
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He will find some way to rob enjoyment out of my days if I do that :(. He threatened to sell the TV last time and also something else I use in the house. Because most of it was bought or given to him by his family, he figures he can do whatever he wants. He also controls my computer access...I have no authority to make my own account so he can turn off the internet or computer access altogether. He also installed this onto my own laptop so when I was looking for a job before, I would "only look at job sites". but once I was working he refused to take any controls off.
Ok - everyone is being constructive and I wish I could but he just sounds like a jerk. If he wont go to counselling and change then - consider this - what do you envisage your life to be like in 5 years - if its more of the same then can you truly tolerate abuse everyday for the next 5 years and beyond.

Get counselling but if he wont, and he is unwilling to change, then start compiling your options and one should be the protection of you and your child both physically and psychologically.
 
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Hi, whilst I respect your advice in a marriage just under tension it sounds like there is systematic abuse going on here. Hopefully it isn't but it sure looks like it.

Calling for someone to submit more during that is dangerous for both of them. It is also enabling the husband to continue sinning.

I do not know what to suggest to her but calling for more effort to submit doesn't solve abusive situations. Online there is plenty of evidence to back that up.

One such article, there are many saying the same things, from different denominations.
Wife Abuse: The Tragic Misconception of Submission
While I agree there are certain boundaries and situations in which a wife must take certain measures, ultimately I believe we must try our best to follow what God has taught.

Also, one trap that we can fall into as 3rd parties (you and me) to a situation like this is that it's easy to side with the most outspoken person. I'm not trying to make a judgment on this particular case (so no offense OP!), but more often than not marital conflicts have fairly equal portions of blame for a situation.
You and I do not have all the facts of this particular situation, and while it may seem clear on the surface as to what the problem is, it's possible that we're just biased.
For all we know, he could feel neglected and emotionally abused in ways.

From what it sounds like though, yes he seems to be impatient and a little arrogant with certain things and unappreciative. But unless I missed something, I didn't see any physical abuse mentioned.
Christ teaches us to do the right thing no matter what...even if people don't deserve it. Jesus didn't deserve to suffer mockery and brutality, but He was righteous.

I know this is a sensitive topic, and a lot of people will disagree with me, i'm just trying to show what GOD has to say about the matter.
1 Peter 3:1-2 "In the same way, you wives, be submissive to your own husbands so that even if any of them are disobedient to the word, they may be won without a word by the behavior of their wives, 2 as they observe your chaste and respectful behavior."

I'm just quoting scripture, that's not my personal opinion. For matters of annoyance within a marriage, or being unappreciated, or given a lot of work to do...it seems the best thing to do is keep your head down and try to keep working hard with love and respect as your attitude--because even if your spouse doesn't recognize it--GOD WILL!
 
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While I agree there are certain boundaries and situations in which a wife must take certain measures, ultimately I believe we must try our best to follow what God has taught.

Also, one trap that we can fall into as 3rd parties (you and me) to a situation like this is that it's easy to side with the most outspoken person. I'm not trying to make a judgment on this particular case (so no offense OP!), but more often than not marital conflicts have fairly equal portions of blame for a situation.
You and I do not have all the facts of this particular situation, and while it may seem clear on the surface as to what the problem is, it's possible that we're just biased.
For all we know, he could feel neglected and emotionally abused in ways.

From what it sounds like though, yes he seems to be impatient and a little arrogant with certain things and unappreciative. But unless I missed something, I didn't see any physical abuse mentioned.
Christ teaches us to do the right thing no matter what...even if people don't deserve it. Jesus didn't deserve to suffer mockery and brutality, but He was righteous.

I know this is a sensitive topic, and a lot of people will disagree with me, i'm just trying to show what GOD has to say about the matter.
1 Peter 3:1-2 "In the same way, you wives, be submissive to your own husbands so that even if any of them are disobedient to the word, they may be won without a word by the behavior of their wives, 2 as they observe your chaste and respectful behavior."

I'm just quoting scripture, that's not my personal opinion. For matters of annoyance within a marriage, or being unappreciated, or given a lot of work to do...it seems the best thing to do is keep your head down and try to keep working hard with love and respect as your attitude--because even if your spouse doesn't recognize it--GOD WILL!

Yes, I agree with much of what you have said. To keep your head down and act in love does seem to be a good interim measure!

I have made no recommendations about what she should do other than to seek God, use his strength and seek out some Christian women to help her feel better. I did ask if he had hit her because the way the husband has been portrayed he sounds like an abusive person.

I just wanted to counter your advice to submit because if it is abuse it might be detrimental. Also, those saying to start demanding respect could also be giving advice which could cause an escalation too. If this is ongoing abuse.
 
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2 weeks in a row. What I thought should be family time out on weekends was him just shaming and lecturing me in the car and I having to calm baby down on a pointless trip out that led to nothing pleasurable for anyone to begin with.

Yes, I have a baby about 3.5 months old and husband seems to think I have to cook every single meal every single day, and he blames me if he is "hungry" at work (He works downtown with a food court right below!). Meanwhile I struggle just to feed myself.
Also now that he realized child benefits is in my name, he refuses to pay for even the groceries (he makes $200 he seems to boast, and says I benefit by using the furniture he bought before such as our bed, dressers etc (That he chose most of the time)

You need to confront this. And if he's physically harmed you, then you need to get in touch with a battered women's shelter. Or move back with your parents. Or contact your church for help.

But you need to deal with this. This is going to get worse. You need to pack up, and leave the house. When he calls, you need to tell him that he needs to start acting like a husband, or he won't have a wife.

Stay somewhere for a week, and then go back home. Next time he treats you that way, move out again. But you can't let him treat you this way. Every time he acts this way towards you, and you don't do something about it, you are encouraging him by making him think the way he is acting is acceptable.

It isn't.

Confront this.
 
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It doesn't need to be physical to be abuse.
I understand there are other kinds of abuse, but when considering emotional/psychological abuse, he could also claim to be suffering in those areas for different reasons.

I've only been married (just under) 4 years, but in our experience with conflict...both sides are at fault 70% of the time, even if it's to a tiny degree. As far as I can tell, it's a life long endeavor to understand more and more the opposite party and to be compassionate to their perspective.

! Peter 3:7 is something I have to remind myself of from time to time
" You husbands in the same way, live with your wives in an understanding way, as with c]">[c]someone weaker, since she is a woman; and show her honor as a fellow heir of the grace of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered."

To quote one of the elders as my congregation, "You don't have to understand your wife--you have to live with her in an understanding way".

Even if I don't understand all the peculiarities of a woman, I can certainly strive to be a peacemaker and honor her (to me, odd) needs. The only thing I shouldn't really do is be an enabler to potential sins of hers or be so meek that it stunts her spiritual growth, as I am the spiritual leader.
But from her perspective/position, she also must respectfully tell me of my wrongs and push me to improve.
 
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