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And I have talked to the Jews themselves about the requirement, and they say the place of God's choosing is the temple mount.

Let us say, they get what they want, then what?

What would this temple mount signify to God?

What does God want from the temple mount?

So the conditions will not be right until immediately following Gog/Magog.

On the flip side, what if the conditions are not right and things don't go according to plan and the nation is dissolved into something else?

What then?

Will this mean disillusionment?
 
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Hi Brian, we should be able to know before Gog/Magog by the EU reforming into a ten king (leader) form of government with one leader over them. It is not for certain that the little horn will be the first leader to be the overall leader, but whichever overall leader is a Jew and has a determined look about him - well, that is the person. More than likely it will be the first.

Two factors I can see that could cause the EU to restructure. (1) Countries wanting to do a Brexit (2) financial crisis.

As you pointed out Russia, and other nations such as Turkey involved with the Syria issue are at a forefront - the issue of the EU, imo, could be right around the corner. What is in my mind is the world's economy as far as bonds and stock markets are being propped up by the federal banks - which has created probably the worst bubble in the worlds history.
Hi your thinking is what was taught and became main stream idea that EU would be the 10 kingdoms and I believe that while the EU is certainly working towards this end of a one world government it seems that they are just one of the 10 not all of the 10. The UN and the globalist have divided the globe into 10 economic sectors and seems that each union or block of countries will be 10 blocks with a central government and eventually one leader over them.
 
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The Mountains of Israel = The West Bank


Ezekiel 38:8

After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

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And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,

The Attack of the gog magog coalition is for the West Bank, the land that the palestinians have been told belongs to them in a two state solution, the villages in the West Bank, do not have walls... There is the West Bank barrier which is where the fakestinians say Israel have proposed as the border...

The gog-magog war is for control of the West Bank, east Jerusalem, the land that was recovered after Israel was attacked in the six day war.

Joel 3:1-2 Joel 3:6 by a UN vote, greeks, grecians, that's democracy

Dec 1, 2017 - The UN General Assembly voted overwhelmingly to disavow Israeli ties to Jerusalem as part of six anti-Israel resolutions it approved on Thursday in New York. The vote was 151 in favor and six against, with nine abstentions. The resolution came as the Trump Administration was rumored to be actively 151 UN states vote to disavow Israeli ties to Jerusalem

Ezekiel 39:2
And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel:

3
And I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand.


4
Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured.

17
And, thou son of man, thus saith the Adonia YHWH; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.

Security checkpoints and intermittent walls, fences are not walled villages in the sense that villages used to have a wall.

For Example

Nowadays, Lugo is a city which is 332 km2 (128 sq. mi), and has a population of 98,560 (in 2014). It is the only city in the world which is surrounded by totally intact Roman Walls.

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Map signaling the gates in the wall of Lugo (Galicia, Spain) (CC BY-SA 2.0 )


Please show me where in the West Bank and Jerusalem Itself where there are walled villages that are
comparable... without walls, how high do you build them to keep the rockets out?



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Muralla-romana.jpg



entrance-of-the-Wall.jpg
 
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The Mountains of Israel = The West Bank


Ezekiel 38:8

After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

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And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,

The Attack of the gog magog coalition is for the West Bank, the land that the palestinians have been told belongs to them in a two state solution, the villages in the West Bank, do not have walls... There is the West Bank barrier which is where the fakestinians say Israel has proposed as the border...

The gog-magog war is for control of the West Bank, east Jerusalem, the land that was recovered after Israel was attacked in the six day war.

Joel 3:1-2 Joel 3:6 by a UN vote, greeks, grecians, that's democracy

Dec 1, 2017 - The UN General Assembly voted overwhelmingly to disavow Israeli ties to Jerusalem as part of six anti-Israel resolutions it approved on Thursday in New York. The vote was 151 in favor and six against, with nine abstentions. The resolution came as the Trump Administration was rumored to be actively 151 UN states vote to disavow Israeli ties to Jerusalem

Ezekiel 39:2
And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel:

3
And I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand.


4
Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured.

17
And, thou son of man, thus saith the Adonia YHWH; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.

Security checkpoints and intermittent walls, fences are not walled villages in the sense that villages used to have a wall.

For Example

Nowadays, Lugo is a city which is 332 km2 (128 sq. mi), and has a population of 98,560 (in 2014). It is the only city in the world which is surrounded by totally intact Roman Walls.

Map-signaling-the-gates.jpg


Map signaling the gates in the wall of Lugo (Galicia, Spain) (CC BY-SA 2.0 )


Please show me where in the West Bank and Jerusalem Itself where there are walled villages that are
comparable... without walls, how high do you build them to keep the rockets out?



Walls-of-Lugo_0.jpg



Muralla-romana.jpg



entrance-of-the-Wall.jpg


Sounds like you are saying Gog will invade the west bank and not Israel?
Ok.I'll play.
Are the palestinians at peace and have gained much so that Gog would like to take booty from,the rich Palestinians?
 
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So you believe today's israels dwell safely without walls?
Walls cannot defend people from rockets, mortars and artillery but Israel dwell safely by the iron dome and Air Force protection. though rockets attacks from Gaza will always happen.
 
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Sounds like you are saying Gog will invade the west bank and not Israel?
Ok.I'll play.
Are the palestinians at peace and have gained much so that Gog would like to take booty from,the rich Palestinians?

There are Israeli "settlements" in the West Bank and if it were not for the USA, there wouldn't be a plan, now most commonly referred to as the "two state solution" that was first mentioned as a solution to the non-problem, (let them return to Jordon, Egypt and Syria where they belong, the sooner for them the better) by george w bush in the roadmap for peace speech he gave on 24 June 2002

The Roadmap for peace or road map for peace (Hebrew: מפת הדרכים‎ Mapa had'rakhim, Arabic: خارطة طريق السلام‎ Khāriṭa ṭarīq as-salāmu) was a plan to resolve the Israeli–Palestinian conflict proposed by the Quartet on the Middle East: the United States, the European Union, Russia and the United Nations. The principles of the plan, originally drafted by U.S. Foreign Service Officer Donald Blome, were first outlined by U.S. President George W. Bush in a speech on 24 June 2002, in which he called for an independent Palestinian state living side by side with Israel in peace.


The US has led the world to divide His Land. Zechariah 14:12

The destruction of the second temple on 8/4/70 until the roadmap for peace speech on 6/24/2002 =
Result: 705,609 days < Link

There are 31,102 verses in the Bible

705609/31102 ~ Remainder 21365

Verse 21365| Eze 36:5
Therefore thus saith Adonai YHWH; Surely in the fire of My jealousy have I spoken against the residue of the heathen, and against all Idumea, which have appointed My Land into their possession with the joy of all their heart, with despiteful minds, to cast it out for a prey.

The Prey is the LAND

The Nations have spoken Joel 3:1-2 Joel 3:6
 
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Let us say, they get what they want, then what?
Well, what happens is they think they have entered the messianic age with the little horn person being the perceived messiah. He would be the one giving the speech, from the temple mount, in a world wide televised affair.

The world will think it too has entered the messianic age. The other ramification will be that many in Christianity will think the Jews were right all along in their position that Jesus is not the messiah - and the great falling away in Christianity will begin.

All goes smoothly for several years, aside from the two witnesses testifying in Jerusalem not to trust said messiah, until said messiah becomes magnified in his heart that he has achieved God-hood, goes into the temple sits, claims to be God.

So that is the second of the two critieria in 2thessalonians2 (1) the falling away (2) the transgression of desolation act. The Day of the Lord will begin the day (2) takes places.

What would this temple mount signify to God?

What does God want from the temple mount?

Well, there is a temple that is going to be built by the Jews with their intent to be the praise and worship of the One True God. Also that the animal sacrifices be resumed that many prophecies can be fulfulled by their stoppage by the person.

That doesn't mean God is accepting the old system of animal sacrifices as a different path or any change to the gospel of there being only one way to be saved - which is by the Lord Jesus Christ.

As far as the temple mount itself goes, I would look a Psalms 2:6, forthcoming -

Psalms 2
1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
 
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On the flip side, what if the conditions are not right and things don't go according to plan and the nation is dissolved into something else?

What then?

Will this mean disillusionment?
I personally don't see the nation of Israel dissolved into something else - because the prophecies are based upon Israel being a nation again and Jerusalem itself saying - blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord, desiring Jesus's return.
 
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Hi your thinking is what was taught and became main stream idea that EU would be the 10 kingdoms and I believe that while the EU is certainly working towards this end of a one world government it seems that they are just one of the 10 not all of the 10. The UN and the globalist have divided the globe into 10 economic sectors and seems that each union or block of countries will be 10 blocks with a central government and eventually one leader over them.
Hi Brian, I understand the ten regions of the world theory. But it has a problem in that near the end of the seven years, in Daniel 11:40-44 there is war between the kings of the north, south, east, west (implied).

As such, the ten kings if a global alliance is the only kingdom on earth - it would have to break up.

And would a global alliance be considered the end times version of the Roman empire, the fourth empire? I don't think so.

On the flip side to support your argument, regarding a break up, it does say the little horn uproots three kings. So it could be argued that is the explanation for the attacks from the north, south, and east.

I don't hold that view, just giving the strengths of the two arguments of the EU view vs 10 Global regions view.

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The text actually says ten kings - not ten separate kingdoms or countries, necessarily. It could be many countries in the EU making up voting blocks. Actually, the theory you hold is based on that same premise. The ten regions, each made up of many separate countries.
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On another track, I do see the banking elite and globalists pushing for a world currency which they control everything. Trump is giving the globalists and the deep state real problems right now.

Currently and for the past 60 years or so, the Petro dollar is the back up world currency. What the Petro dollar does is make everyone who buys and sells oil - it has to be done in dollars. Which makes a demand for dollars global.

Kissinger made a deal with the Saudi's if they required everyone to buy their oil in dollars, the U.S. would back them and it would make them rich with a stable currency base. Many back then thought Kissinger, being a Jew, was the Antichrist.

What the banking elite are coming up with, instead of the dollar, is a backup currency called special drawing rights - sdr's - which is an amalgamation of several different currencies, as I understand it.

Heading toward the mark of the beast, the 666, the name - can be tied right to the bankers, humanly speaking. Right now, they are intent on burying our country, and controlling the world. It is just that the average man, woman, just doesn't know what is going on.
 
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I personally don't see the nation of Israel dissolved into something else - because the prophecies are based upon Israel being a nation again and Jerusalem itself saying - blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord, desiring Jesus's return.

Say if the little horn gets his way and dissolves all nations into one global nation, led by ten principalities. He does this by stopping a global nuclear war and says that in order to stop nations fighting against nations, the standing armies of the nations must be dissolved, along with their sovereignty as nations.

Maybe this will be his peace treaty to resolve potential outbreaks of hostilities.
 
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Say if the little horn gets his way and dissolves all nations into one global nation, led by ten principalities. He does this by stopping a global nuclear war and says that in order to stop nations fighting against nations, the standing armies of the nations must be dissolved, along with their sovereignty as nations.

Maybe this will be his peace treaty to resolve potential outbreaks of hostilities.
Are you aware, in what you are describing, fits the original justification for the formation of the EU by it's visionaries was they cited that the first two world wars started in Europe - European countries fighting one another - and putting everyone into the same country, union, that would prevent a repeat.

Sounded good and got support, but the resistance was the issue of sovereignty. So, the EU is a compromise which nations within maintain some semblance of sovereignty. The EU through it various political, bureaucratic, and financial mechanisms have been chipping away at the member states sovereignty.

I have two words that could end up being the reason the EU moves to that ten leader form of government. Deutsche Bank. Deutsche Bank is the largest issuer of derivatives in the world. And the banks of other nations are tied precariously together by everyone being into Deutsche Bank's derivatives. If Deutsche Bank caves, DB stands a good chance of taking the whole world down with them.

Take a lot a the stock charts of Deutsche Bank - symbol DB, compared to big American Banks which have done nothing but gone up in the stock market - which btw way has been totally phoney since 2009 - again propped up by the central banks. FAS is a etf (electronically traded fund) that tracks the financial sector, would be a good chart, to which to compare DB
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I don't think there is ever going to be a global nuclear war, because the fallout would kill every living thing on the planet and bible prophecy could not be fulfilled.

Can the person who becomes the Antichrist convince nations to destroy their nuclear arms? Well, that might take place I don't know.
 
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If Deutsche Bank caves, DB stands a good chance of taking the whole world down with them.

Yes.

Take a lot a the stock charts of Deutsche Bank - symbol DB, compared to big American Banks which have done nothing but gone up in the stock market - which btw way has been totally phoney since 2009 - again propped up by the central banks. FAS is a etf (electronically traded fund) that tracks the financial sector, would be a good chart, to which to compare DB

Manipulated markets has been the flavour. With retail and manufacturing spiralling down, the computer manipulation of numbers continues. However everyone sees those numbers, but no one will be able to withdraw, like Ether Gold.

I don't think there is ever going to be a global nuclear war, because the fallout would kill every living thing on the planet and bible prophecy could not be fulfilled.

God does say if he did not shorten those days for the sake of the Elect, then no one would remain alive.

Can the person who becomes the Antichrist convince nations to destroy their nuclear arms? Well, that might take place I don't know.

He might be there portraying himself as a saviour to the after the fact nuclear event, that is the burning of the cities of the nations. That would serve his example as the symbol of the black dragon of apostasy, to spout poison from his mouth to lure those wanting to live, to embrace his doctrine and his doctrine will be, to perpetrate the falling away from the faith, when people who want to live another day take on board his Luciferean gospel.

After all humanity learns by example of pain and fear as these are great motivators. Abolishing nuclear weapons without death and suffering, will not make people run back into his arms. However the fires of their cities, will make them run to his arms and hypnotic poison that he spouts.

Jesus warned that when they see him (The Abomination of Desolation), then they should run in the opposite direction.

This must be Satan himself, disguised as a saviour.
 
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I see a burning of cities event, followed by the appearing of Satan, as the Abomination that makes Desolate, falling away, Jacob's Trouble, Tribulation at the hands of Satan and martyredom of the Church, Elect taken somewhere safe, the wrath of God poured out on the globe, world reels to and fro and is moved from its place and is almost emptied of life (open graveyard) where the vultures gather (Jesus phrase), pitch black darkness (Joel 2), Brilliant coming of Lord, New Earth New Heaven, books opened, resurrection of the dead, last enemy death is defeated, death and hell destroyed in the lake of fire.
 
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Hi Brian, I understand the ten regions of the world theory. But it has a problem in that near the end of the seven years, in Daniel 11:40-44 there is war between the kings of the north, south, east, west (implied).

As such, the ten kings if a global alliance is the only kingdom on earth - it would have to break up.

And would a global alliance be considered the end times version of the Roman empire, the fourth empire? I don't think so.

On the flip side to support your argument, regarding a break up, it does say the little horn uproots three kings. So it could be argued that is the explanation for the attacks from the north, south, and east.

I don't hold that view, just giving the strengths of the two arguments of the EU view vs 10 Global regions view.

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The text actually says ten kings - not ten separate kingdoms or countries, necessarily. It could be many countries in the EU making up voting blocks. Actually, the theory you hold is based on that same premise. The ten regions, each made up of many separate countries.
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On another track, I do see the banking elite and globalists pushing for a world currency which they control everything. Trump is giving the globalists and the deep state real problems right now.

Currently and for the past 60 years or so, the Petro dollar is the back up world currency. What the Petro dollar does is make everyone who buys and sells oil - it has to be done in dollars. Which makes a demand for dollars global.

Kissinger made a deal with the Saudi's if they required everyone to buy their oil in dollars, the U.S. would back them and it would make them rich with a stable currency base. Many back then thought Kissinger, being a Jew, was the Antichrist.

What the banking elite are coming up with, instead of the dollar, is a backup currency called special drawing rights - sdr's - which is an amalgamation of several different currencies, as I understand it.

Heading toward the mark of the beast, the 666, the name - can be tied right to the bankers, humanly speaking. Right now, they are intent on burying our country, and controlling the world. It is just that the average man, woman, just doesn't know what is going on.
I agree that the kingdom would have to break up and much like Egypt in the days of the plagues in Exodus the world is ruined by the time the kings of the East oppose the antichrist. We see in Rev 13 that at the mid point of the tribulation the antichrist is given dominion over the whole earth for 42 months.
5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue[fn] for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe,[fn] tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Now the theory that the EU would take over also assumed that they would rise in economic power and military power while the US declined. In reality all the nations of the earth including the EU with Greece, Portugal, Ireland and Spain are already facing economic collapse. It seems to my that all nations are indebted to the central banks in the world and it is more likely a scenario of our of chaos comes order. If the seal judgments happen quickly and the days wage goes to a denarius for a quart of wheat and peace is taken from the earth and 1/4 of the earth is killed off right away then the world would welcome order at any price. The collapse of the world monetary system would require a global reset and the IMF and UN are positioned to be the entity to take over. The day of the dollar as the reserve currency are numbered. This all could unravel very quickly as the global banks have over a quadrillion $ invested in derivatives which if they fail the whole of the worlds banking institutions would fail and produce just that kind of chaos the seal judgments predict.
 
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Food for thought. In Revelation 19 you have the marriage supper. You have those that are resurrected to be with Christ and the rest of the living are accounted for the slaughter. Revelation 19:21 (And the remnant were slain----.) The only ones left on earth are the dead. You then have a thousand years of rest. And then you see the fulfillment of Ezekiel 37-39. The dead bones are resurrected and the day of Gog and Magog come into play.
 
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Food for thought. In Revelation 19 you have the marriage supper. You have those that are resurrected to be with Christ and the rest of the living are accounted for the slaughter. Revelation 19:21 (And the remnant were slain----.) The only ones left on earth are the dead. You then have a thousand years of rest. And then you see the fulfillment of Ezekiel 37-39. The dead bones are resurrected and the day of Gog and Magog come into play.
thakfultt, we have to read some of the verses together to get a flowing picture. I am going to color code who the remanent are.

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

So the remnant (after the beast and false prophet are cast alive into the lake of fire) is the armies that have gathered together (at Armageddon) to make war of Jesus.

The beast and false prophet "cast into the lake of fire".... imo, probably some portal is going to open and everyone, including them in the armies, see it happen, then the portal closes.

Back in Revelation 16, we see the kings of the earth gather their armies together at Armageddon - which is a big expansive plain in Israel, at the base of the mountains, just a little north of Jerusalem. The reason being they in a desperate effort try to stop Jesus from descending to earth and exercising judgment on them.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

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If we look at Psalms 2, we see that same attempt by the kings of the earth to try and stop Jesus.

1. Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
 
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